My legal case vs. Durianrider: update and "the principle of the thing".
04 November 2016 [link youtube]
Don't have ten minutes? Here's a written summary of the current situation: 1. The donations were collected, the lawyers were paid, the paperwork was filed. 2. Initial hearings transpired, and a court-date was set (for the first major presentation of the case). 3. In the Thai system, nobody gets arrested at this stage: everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and the accused have the opportunity to prepare their defense, etc.; my own case against D.R. is not the only one that is (to my knowledge) now ongoing, and he claims that he was never informed of the charges against him in either case. Would Durianrider tell a lie? Perhaps. It wouldn't be completely unprecedented. If he's telling the truth, it doesn't really change anything. 4. When people (incl. one journalist) have expressed skepticism about the case, I've shown them legal documents: those documents are written in Thai, but I haven't heard a single person express doubt about their authenticity. The case is real, and ongoing. The only people who claim otherwise have a very clear reason to misrepresent themselves --and/or a clear reason to defame me. 5. The principle of the thing is what really matters, and a large part of this video reflects on that (I hope you'll reflect on it, and how we should all conduct ourselves, in light of that principle).
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hey guys for those of you who do not
know the status of my legal case in Thailand this video will be an update or a summary of what's going on in the legal case in Thailand um there isn't any dramatic or interesting fast breaking news and as I've had to warn people repeatedly the reality of the situation we're in is that a group of professional liars are trying to make money by creating a dramatic situation out of what's really a pretty slow and dull bureaucratic process the exciting aspect is ethical and that's what you've heard me preach about so many times before I'm not in it to win it I'm actually not playing the win I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do okay there was a question I was threatened with violence I was threatened with defamation at least once I heard during writer talk about having me killed he talked much more extensively about having me beaten up dragged to a police station thrown in prison beaten up on the streets you guys have all seen those allegations probably or if not if this is your first video on the topic maybe this is first time you've heard of it there were serious threats of violence very serious defamation and what's written on the Internet is written in pen not in pencil in many ways I think that defamation will be on the internet forever at that juncture the question is what are you gonna do what was I gonna do I was signed up to start a job in China I was in Shanghai very briefly getting paperwork done so that I could start that job as a matter of fact um durianrider is not a one-time offender to the best of my knowledge he's someone who was repeatedly made threats of violence against others he's someone who's repeatedly made false defamatory and damning allegations against others he's someone who from my perspective and in my opinion has had a pervasively negative influence on the discourse within the fledgling vegan movement so what could I do what should I do I decided to ask people for donations so that I could employ a lawyer to press my case against Durant Ryder in a very real sense I'm not doing it for myself or not doing it for myself alone idea to stand up for myself but I was also standing up for all the other people whom he'd made threats against whom he'd carried out intimidation against who used intimidation tactics against all the other people whom he had defamed in the past and potentially I was doing this to deter him from using threats violence and defamation against others in the future I've actually never seen a complete list of all the people he's defamed in the past I've heard many many examples I've read in some cases I've seen on YouTube or in writing you know on blog type formats I've seen many many examples of the people he's defame in the past I both I don't know how many people that were in total in the past and I also don't know how many more people could be impact in the future but that's one of the reasons why I stood up and launched this legal case I've said before and I'll say again everyone is innocent till proven guilty and on some level I would even feel happy for during Ryder if he was found not guilty I've had videos reflecting on my own mixed feelings about that there was really a sense in which I would not feel happy to see him put into a prison cell it's just not the kind of person I am I wouldn't feel good to see him put in a prison cell I just anyway different strokes for different folks but I also do not feel good to see my name dragged through the mud I do not feel good to see a long list of other people's names dragged through the mud I do not feel good to see the name and concept of veganism itself dragged through the mud so those are the stakes were playing for that was the context for me making the decision to have a fundraiser to collect that money and go to court now those facts in are hard to understand as I say the aspect that you dramatic is the moral and ethical challenge and it's not just a challenge to during lighter it's a challenge to all of us in many ways I've been asking my fellow members of the digital vegan demi-monde that digital activists the aspiring advocates for ecology animal rights and cultural change towards achieving a vegan society I've been asking can't we do better does the problem isn't just durianrider I think in many ways durianrider set a very bad precedent but many many people now are engaged in the same kind of defamation tactics I don't know anyone to be honest to you who engaged in the same threats of violence I don't maybe there are some I don't I don't know of them but one of the reasons why this had a kind of dramatic galvanizing effect in the whole scene was they think a lot of us had to ask ourselves couldn't we do better and unfortunately what I've seen is in many cases people doing worse and worse the real outcomes to say they've been mixed might be flattering the situation and many many people now are making up stories that are false and in many cases the people telling those stories know them to be false about what has happened with the legal case and what is happening with the legal case and partly that has to do with represent misrepresenting lying about what I've said myself on this channel and many of these people have admitted to me they never even watched the videos on my channel so their only source of information is durianrider or some other very biased party they're not even hearing the version of events of my channel so to give one really brief example at an early stage there were many people emailing me saying that I can't possibly win the case because and then they would list some facts about Australian law or they would even list facts about Canadian law I'm a Canadian citizen having you with jurisdiction at the nature of the the case what have you and about all I would say in reply is I think you should watch again and listen more carefully to the videos I've already made on this topic none of the videos said that I had a legal case in Canada nor in Australia and eventually once the paperwork was done and lawyers were paid and the charges were in motion I then started talking to us directly about the fact that this is a legal case in Thailand would not have taken a genius to figure that out there were many many signs actually from the start that the cases in Thailand cluding that's where the jurisdiction was both he and I were in Thailand when those events happened it's a completely tacky it completely falls under title audit a URIs diction and also even the amount of money I asked for in the fundraiser it's true it's not enough to have a defamation case or even I think um you know case related threats of violence under American law or under Australian law it's enough under Thai law so actually there already was enough out there for a smart person and I did a couple lawyers wrote to me and said huh I listened to your video carefully okay I see what's going on so people who actually listened to what I said had blend set of expectations and people who listen to what durianrider said had another so you know I just was talking to someone who said to me um that they didn't believe my case was real because because I said allegedly I said I didn't say that I said during Ryder was already arrested and he wasn't I did not say that now think about the meaning of the word arrested what I have already said in other update videos which is true was that the money finally arrived I got the money to the lawyer I paid the lawyer the lawyer started the paperwork process and then the paperwork went through several subsequent stages hearings again I'm using the English term hearings exactly what the Thai legal term is I don't know but I'm saying a hearing is not a trial so my lawyer talking to a judge and presenting the paperwork that's not a trial all right during writer has not been convicted and in the Thai system and really this process has taught me to appreciate some of the strengths some of the advantages of the Thai system I go through a pretty thorough process of proving that I have a case of proving that these charges matter that I have evidence to back them up before anyone has their freedom taken away from them but part of that process is not durianrider being arrested it's durianrider being informed that there are charges against him so that he has the opportunity to prepare a defense that normally involves hiring a defense attorney now I just had someone say to me now someone in my live chat here say as a matter of fact well durianrider was never contacted by the authorities who told you that they're in right many of these people are constructing stories and often very falsely saying that they consider both sides that they give equal time to both versions of stories and they haven't even listened to the videos already publicly available on my YouTube channel they have not listened to the videos that state what the background of the case was or what's currently going on from my perspective so they haven't heard both sides and they also haven't emailed me or asked me or talked to me or anything and again my side of the story does have legal documents to back it up the legal documents are written in the Thai language and now the whole Thai legal process not even easy for me to understand its I understand that it's daunting for people but many people have come on camera and made statements about how they think the legal process works based on watching American movies those American movies may not even represent the American legal process fairly or accurately but they have nothing to do with the Thai legal process and again if I show you government paperwork from Thailand it's written and Thai as Thai stamps and insignia and this kind of formal stuff you can take it and talk to a Thai lawyer you can talk to just someone who's fluent in Thai language to ask them to interpret it for you you can sit down with Google Translate nobody has ever suggested to me that that paperwork that I've presented is fake it would I would have to really building linguistic genius to fake it but also why why would I fake it why would I have fake paperwork from a fake legal case when my story is completely coherent and consistent and that is that I have a real legal case in Thailand um I'm gonna pause now to philosophize a little bit I'm fills you if you just wanted that summary of what's going on with the legal case I did more paperwork today today I signed more legal paperwork for my lawyer it's completely banal like if I told you what's in the paperwork it's not interesting it's just yet more paperwork pursuing the case but the case has been real and ongoing so for those of you who wanted to hear that you can stop watching this video now I have some more you know reflections on this to philosophize a little bit about the life of the mind here on YouTube the game were all playing or the game were all trapped in I think was really kicked off was really invented by guys like the amazing atheist the amazing atheist the last time I mentioned him talking another youtuber I think was actually when I was talking to the tofu goddess we were talking at one point we did like a three-hour podcast together I think was like three and a half hours join patreon dia to hear it all but you know at one point in that podcast I remember we were talking about the shallowness of people caring about who's beautiful and he was not on YouTube and this kind of thing and I said well look don't forget a lot of the guys who've been the most successful and he really created the game that we were all inheriting that we've all stepped into on YouTube created the expectations for what it meant to be to be a youtube personality I were hideously ugly I mean the amazing atheist he's never claimed to be handsome he I think he's still very overweight but he started off as the proverbial you know overweight loser living in his parents basement and making videos in his in his parent's garage and now I am NOT saying that as an insulting I'm pointing out that right from the start he faced hatred for that reason for being fat for being ugly for not having a real job for not having an education as I recall I think he dropped out of high school and then after that in terms of his career and I looked into this at the time when I was just starting up my youtube channel and when I was considering whether or not I would start a YouTube channel TJ that it's his name or his nickname his first initials are TJ TJ the amazing atheist not only is he at legal trouble not only has he had at sex scandals he had nude photos nude video of him get onto the Internet at one point the amazing atheist one of his viewers um who had court who had communicated with him he would send him email and he had replied in videos we dad I think videos back and forth with I think they they'd had some kind of debate one of his viewers we had this kind of relationship with murdered a bunch of people and then shot himself in the head and then TJ had to sit there and make statements to the press and give interviews about an extreme you know emotional and legal situations I guess that's the most extreme situation you can imagine being in as he took personality and he's gone through one thing after another um examples like that people who really were the the path breakers the first people to come onto this medium and do it I think in many ways they taught us they taught me people like me who came later what to expect whether you look at the amazing atheist or any see on or any of the guys who came on to YouTube early and then you see the kind of endless mean-spirited scrutiny they face sometimes including legal problems you know sadly I guess you know what to expect but that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to be disappointed with you with my fellow vegans I have every right to be disappointed because what we're doing here is not comedy an essay on is a comedy channel the amazing atheist is a mix of comedy and joking about the news basically it's a comedy channel what we're doing here it's not a joke whether it's sharing our lives or trying to connect and collaborate for this greater cause saving the animals saving the planet promoting veganism as a diet as a lifestyle as a political movement there's supposed to be an ethical basis to why we're here and I think the vast majority of my viewers they don't listen to me because I'm funny they don't listen to me because I'm charming I mean maybe they tune in more often once they get used to my sense of humor I do have some joking around some videos but like 90% of you who are here because on some level you care about the cause and that makes what we're doing right now different different from the amazing atheist different from Annie see on different from one of my fellow vegans community channel Natalie Tran she's been on YouTube for more than 10 years made a career out of it very successful and I think now she's been vegan for less than one year but shout out to natalie tran fellow vegan with multi-million viewers very successful youtuber it's not a joke I don't want this to become a joke and you know I keep opening the door to these people terrible despicable people I'm just being honest with you I'm talking about specific individuals here although I'm gonna name them you know again and again there are these people and they've said bad things the pastor death bad things in the past and then they make a couple of good videos it looks like they're on an upward trajectory they're improving and I opened the door to them and say look you know send an email and say do you want to talk do you want to talk on a podcast you want it can we somehow communicate or collaborate because ultimately I'm not talking about collaborating on a video I'm talking about collaborating on veganism I'm talking about the future of veganism talking about leaving a positive legacy for the future of planet Earth and yes ultimately for my own daughter you know what I mean so yeah I mean what we're doing here is different from you know Vlad TV making videos about drama within the rap world within hip-hop music or video game channels talking about how the different video game personalities hate each other or the comic books or the comedy I'm not even talking about a higher aspiration in terms of accomplishing something great I think there's a higher minimum standard in terms of what we all should be living up to you know the maximum standard we don't even talk about at the minimum standard if you're gonna come on camera and tell lies about me saying that I'm guilty of criminal misconduct you're not even gonna hear my side of the story you're not gonna look at the legal documents you're gonna tell lies about me that there were criminal charges against me that don't exist that it never existed what I've seen is people imitating and reproducing the worst aspects of durianrider as part and parcel of this same process that was me calling everyone to stand up and you know sure if you stand up for me that's nice that's sweet I appreciate it some people did stand up for me I think vegan gains he partly stood up because he felt he knew me he felt he could trust me sure okay standing up for me that's one thing but ultimately my core case it's about doing the right thing and it's about asking all of you to stand up for veganism to stand up against violence and defamation to resolve that we can do better that we can be better and yes that involves doing better in our speech in our actions but I think it also means meeting a higher minimum standard in listening in listening to one another if you're gonna take this video as another opportunity to defame me and attack me and claim that I'm a scam artist that I'm that I'm committing terrible crimes all kinds of criminal allegations I've been told not I'm gonna name them have you heard my side of the story have you listened have you ever reached out to me because I've I've reached out to so many people hundreds and hundreds of people and not to plead my case ultimately it's to plead the case of the animals of the cows and the pigs that are voiceless it's to plead the case for veganism for ecology for all those reasons it's to plead the case that we can get organized and make a pause the difference in the world part of that is listening and I hope that some of you will respond to this video by reconsidering not just your own deeds not just maybe your own engagement in slander and defamation but also your own capacity to listen it's your fellow vegans to your fellow human beings because what I'm seeing right now it's not just failure to listen to two sides of the story I don't see people even listen to one side of the story I see people who are so easy you so eager to engage in defamation so eager to say this is my chance to prove how morally superior superior I am this is my chance to snub someone to denigrate someone to put someone to that even though you're doing it in the name of your own moral superiority actually step by step this is a downward spiral that's dragging down the whole moral tone of this project that we got involved in not just when I started this legal case in Thailand but when we got started each of us coming on YouTube and said hi my name is blank and I'm a vegan and this is what veganism means to me this is why I care so much about it that I'm giving up my privacy to come on YouTube and show my support for this cause
know the status of my legal case in Thailand this video will be an update or a summary of what's going on in the legal case in Thailand um there isn't any dramatic or interesting fast breaking news and as I've had to warn people repeatedly the reality of the situation we're in is that a group of professional liars are trying to make money by creating a dramatic situation out of what's really a pretty slow and dull bureaucratic process the exciting aspect is ethical and that's what you've heard me preach about so many times before I'm not in it to win it I'm actually not playing the win I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do okay there was a question I was threatened with violence I was threatened with defamation at least once I heard during writer talk about having me killed he talked much more extensively about having me beaten up dragged to a police station thrown in prison beaten up on the streets you guys have all seen those allegations probably or if not if this is your first video on the topic maybe this is first time you've heard of it there were serious threats of violence very serious defamation and what's written on the Internet is written in pen not in pencil in many ways I think that defamation will be on the internet forever at that juncture the question is what are you gonna do what was I gonna do I was signed up to start a job in China I was in Shanghai very briefly getting paperwork done so that I could start that job as a matter of fact um durianrider is not a one-time offender to the best of my knowledge he's someone who was repeatedly made threats of violence against others he's someone who's repeatedly made false defamatory and damning allegations against others he's someone who from my perspective and in my opinion has had a pervasively negative influence on the discourse within the fledgling vegan movement so what could I do what should I do I decided to ask people for donations so that I could employ a lawyer to press my case against Durant Ryder in a very real sense I'm not doing it for myself or not doing it for myself alone idea to stand up for myself but I was also standing up for all the other people whom he'd made threats against whom he'd carried out intimidation against who used intimidation tactics against all the other people whom he had defamed in the past and potentially I was doing this to deter him from using threats violence and defamation against others in the future I've actually never seen a complete list of all the people he's defamed in the past I've heard many many examples I've read in some cases I've seen on YouTube or in writing you know on blog type formats I've seen many many examples of the people he's defame in the past I both I don't know how many people that were in total in the past and I also don't know how many more people could be impact in the future but that's one of the reasons why I stood up and launched this legal case I've said before and I'll say again everyone is innocent till proven guilty and on some level I would even feel happy for during Ryder if he was found not guilty I've had videos reflecting on my own mixed feelings about that there was really a sense in which I would not feel happy to see him put into a prison cell it's just not the kind of person I am I wouldn't feel good to see him put in a prison cell I just anyway different strokes for different folks but I also do not feel good to see my name dragged through the mud I do not feel good to see a long list of other people's names dragged through the mud I do not feel good to see the name and concept of veganism itself dragged through the mud so those are the stakes were playing for that was the context for me making the decision to have a fundraiser to collect that money and go to court now those facts in are hard to understand as I say the aspect that you dramatic is the moral and ethical challenge and it's not just a challenge to during lighter it's a challenge to all of us in many ways I've been asking my fellow members of the digital vegan demi-monde that digital activists the aspiring advocates for ecology animal rights and cultural change towards achieving a vegan society I've been asking can't we do better does the problem isn't just durianrider I think in many ways durianrider set a very bad precedent but many many people now are engaged in the same kind of defamation tactics I don't know anyone to be honest to you who engaged in the same threats of violence I don't maybe there are some I don't I don't know of them but one of the reasons why this had a kind of dramatic galvanizing effect in the whole scene was they think a lot of us had to ask ourselves couldn't we do better and unfortunately what I've seen is in many cases people doing worse and worse the real outcomes to say they've been mixed might be flattering the situation and many many people now are making up stories that are false and in many cases the people telling those stories know them to be false about what has happened with the legal case and what is happening with the legal case and partly that has to do with represent misrepresenting lying about what I've said myself on this channel and many of these people have admitted to me they never even watched the videos on my channel so their only source of information is durianrider or some other very biased party they're not even hearing the version of events of my channel so to give one really brief example at an early stage there were many people emailing me saying that I can't possibly win the case because and then they would list some facts about Australian law or they would even list facts about Canadian law I'm a Canadian citizen having you with jurisdiction at the nature of the the case what have you and about all I would say in reply is I think you should watch again and listen more carefully to the videos I've already made on this topic none of the videos said that I had a legal case in Canada nor in Australia and eventually once the paperwork was done and lawyers were paid and the charges were in motion I then started talking to us directly about the fact that this is a legal case in Thailand would not have taken a genius to figure that out there were many many signs actually from the start that the cases in Thailand cluding that's where the jurisdiction was both he and I were in Thailand when those events happened it's a completely tacky it completely falls under title audit a URIs diction and also even the amount of money I asked for in the fundraiser it's true it's not enough to have a defamation case or even I think um you know case related threats of violence under American law or under Australian law it's enough under Thai law so actually there already was enough out there for a smart person and I did a couple lawyers wrote to me and said huh I listened to your video carefully okay I see what's going on so people who actually listened to what I said had blend set of expectations and people who listen to what durianrider said had another so you know I just was talking to someone who said to me um that they didn't believe my case was real because because I said allegedly I said I didn't say that I said during Ryder was already arrested and he wasn't I did not say that now think about the meaning of the word arrested what I have already said in other update videos which is true was that the money finally arrived I got the money to the lawyer I paid the lawyer the lawyer started the paperwork process and then the paperwork went through several subsequent stages hearings again I'm using the English term hearings exactly what the Thai legal term is I don't know but I'm saying a hearing is not a trial so my lawyer talking to a judge and presenting the paperwork that's not a trial all right during writer has not been convicted and in the Thai system and really this process has taught me to appreciate some of the strengths some of the advantages of the Thai system I go through a pretty thorough process of proving that I have a case of proving that these charges matter that I have evidence to back them up before anyone has their freedom taken away from them but part of that process is not durianrider being arrested it's durianrider being informed that there are charges against him so that he has the opportunity to prepare a defense that normally involves hiring a defense attorney now I just had someone say to me now someone in my live chat here say as a matter of fact well durianrider was never contacted by the authorities who told you that they're in right many of these people are constructing stories and often very falsely saying that they consider both sides that they give equal time to both versions of stories and they haven't even listened to the videos already publicly available on my YouTube channel they have not listened to the videos that state what the background of the case was or what's currently going on from my perspective so they haven't heard both sides and they also haven't emailed me or asked me or talked to me or anything and again my side of the story does have legal documents to back it up the legal documents are written in the Thai language and now the whole Thai legal process not even easy for me to understand its I understand that it's daunting for people but many people have come on camera and made statements about how they think the legal process works based on watching American movies those American movies may not even represent the American legal process fairly or accurately but they have nothing to do with the Thai legal process and again if I show you government paperwork from Thailand it's written and Thai as Thai stamps and insignia and this kind of formal stuff you can take it and talk to a Thai lawyer you can talk to just someone who's fluent in Thai language to ask them to interpret it for you you can sit down with Google Translate nobody has ever suggested to me that that paperwork that I've presented is fake it would I would have to really building linguistic genius to fake it but also why why would I fake it why would I have fake paperwork from a fake legal case when my story is completely coherent and consistent and that is that I have a real legal case in Thailand um I'm gonna pause now to philosophize a little bit I'm fills you if you just wanted that summary of what's going on with the legal case I did more paperwork today today I signed more legal paperwork for my lawyer it's completely banal like if I told you what's in the paperwork it's not interesting it's just yet more paperwork pursuing the case but the case has been real and ongoing so for those of you who wanted to hear that you can stop watching this video now I have some more you know reflections on this to philosophize a little bit about the life of the mind here on YouTube the game were all playing or the game were all trapped in I think was really kicked off was really invented by guys like the amazing atheist the amazing atheist the last time I mentioned him talking another youtuber I think was actually when I was talking to the tofu goddess we were talking at one point we did like a three-hour podcast together I think was like three and a half hours join patreon dia to hear it all but you know at one point in that podcast I remember we were talking about the shallowness of people caring about who's beautiful and he was not on YouTube and this kind of thing and I said well look don't forget a lot of the guys who've been the most successful and he really created the game that we were all inheriting that we've all stepped into on YouTube created the expectations for what it meant to be to be a youtube personality I were hideously ugly I mean the amazing atheist he's never claimed to be handsome he I think he's still very overweight but he started off as the proverbial you know overweight loser living in his parents basement and making videos in his in his parent's garage and now I am NOT saying that as an insulting I'm pointing out that right from the start he faced hatred for that reason for being fat for being ugly for not having a real job for not having an education as I recall I think he dropped out of high school and then after that in terms of his career and I looked into this at the time when I was just starting up my youtube channel and when I was considering whether or not I would start a YouTube channel TJ that it's his name or his nickname his first initials are TJ TJ the amazing atheist not only is he at legal trouble not only has he had at sex scandals he had nude photos nude video of him get onto the Internet at one point the amazing atheist one of his viewers um who had court who had communicated with him he would send him email and he had replied in videos we dad I think videos back and forth with I think they they'd had some kind of debate one of his viewers we had this kind of relationship with murdered a bunch of people and then shot himself in the head and then TJ had to sit there and make statements to the press and give interviews about an extreme you know emotional and legal situations I guess that's the most extreme situation you can imagine being in as he took personality and he's gone through one thing after another um examples like that people who really were the the path breakers the first people to come onto this medium and do it I think in many ways they taught us they taught me people like me who came later what to expect whether you look at the amazing atheist or any see on or any of the guys who came on to YouTube early and then you see the kind of endless mean-spirited scrutiny they face sometimes including legal problems you know sadly I guess you know what to expect but that doesn't mean I'm not entitled to be disappointed with you with my fellow vegans I have every right to be disappointed because what we're doing here is not comedy an essay on is a comedy channel the amazing atheist is a mix of comedy and joking about the news basically it's a comedy channel what we're doing here it's not a joke whether it's sharing our lives or trying to connect and collaborate for this greater cause saving the animals saving the planet promoting veganism as a diet as a lifestyle as a political movement there's supposed to be an ethical basis to why we're here and I think the vast majority of my viewers they don't listen to me because I'm funny they don't listen to me because I'm charming I mean maybe they tune in more often once they get used to my sense of humor I do have some joking around some videos but like 90% of you who are here because on some level you care about the cause and that makes what we're doing right now different different from the amazing atheist different from Annie see on different from one of my fellow vegans community channel Natalie Tran she's been on YouTube for more than 10 years made a career out of it very successful and I think now she's been vegan for less than one year but shout out to natalie tran fellow vegan with multi-million viewers very successful youtuber it's not a joke I don't want this to become a joke and you know I keep opening the door to these people terrible despicable people I'm just being honest with you I'm talking about specific individuals here although I'm gonna name them you know again and again there are these people and they've said bad things the pastor death bad things in the past and then they make a couple of good videos it looks like they're on an upward trajectory they're improving and I opened the door to them and say look you know send an email and say do you want to talk do you want to talk on a podcast you want it can we somehow communicate or collaborate because ultimately I'm not talking about collaborating on a video I'm talking about collaborating on veganism I'm talking about the future of veganism talking about leaving a positive legacy for the future of planet Earth and yes ultimately for my own daughter you know what I mean so yeah I mean what we're doing here is different from you know Vlad TV making videos about drama within the rap world within hip-hop music or video game channels talking about how the different video game personalities hate each other or the comic books or the comedy I'm not even talking about a higher aspiration in terms of accomplishing something great I think there's a higher minimum standard in terms of what we all should be living up to you know the maximum standard we don't even talk about at the minimum standard if you're gonna come on camera and tell lies about me saying that I'm guilty of criminal misconduct you're not even gonna hear my side of the story you're not gonna look at the legal documents you're gonna tell lies about me that there were criminal charges against me that don't exist that it never existed what I've seen is people imitating and reproducing the worst aspects of durianrider as part and parcel of this same process that was me calling everyone to stand up and you know sure if you stand up for me that's nice that's sweet I appreciate it some people did stand up for me I think vegan gains he partly stood up because he felt he knew me he felt he could trust me sure okay standing up for me that's one thing but ultimately my core case it's about doing the right thing and it's about asking all of you to stand up for veganism to stand up against violence and defamation to resolve that we can do better that we can be better and yes that involves doing better in our speech in our actions but I think it also means meeting a higher minimum standard in listening in listening to one another if you're gonna take this video as another opportunity to defame me and attack me and claim that I'm a scam artist that I'm that I'm committing terrible crimes all kinds of criminal allegations I've been told not I'm gonna name them have you heard my side of the story have you listened have you ever reached out to me because I've I've reached out to so many people hundreds and hundreds of people and not to plead my case ultimately it's to plead the case of the animals of the cows and the pigs that are voiceless it's to plead the case for veganism for ecology for all those reasons it's to plead the case that we can get organized and make a pause the difference in the world part of that is listening and I hope that some of you will respond to this video by reconsidering not just your own deeds not just maybe your own engagement in slander and defamation but also your own capacity to listen it's your fellow vegans to your fellow human beings because what I'm seeing right now it's not just failure to listen to two sides of the story I don't see people even listen to one side of the story I see people who are so easy you so eager to engage in defamation so eager to say this is my chance to prove how morally superior superior I am this is my chance to snub someone to denigrate someone to put someone to that even though you're doing it in the name of your own moral superiority actually step by step this is a downward spiral that's dragging down the whole moral tone of this project that we got involved in not just when I started this legal case in Thailand but when we got started each of us coming on YouTube and said hi my name is blank and I'm a vegan and this is what veganism means to me this is why I care so much about it that I'm giving up my privacy to come on YouTube and show my support for this cause