Sex, Money, Fame, Cookbooks: Vegans "Save the Planet".
04 July 2016 [link youtube]
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using some of the same slogans again and again on this channel because we talked about some of the same issues of effective organism effective activism community organization trying to make a meaningful movement out of what's currently a meaningless morass of mutually hateful individuals in the internet tearing each other apart the first baby steps towards having a real vegan movement maybe somewhere in the world a real vegan community and I still got love for all y'all one of those slogans you've heard me say a bunch of times is about meeting people with an open heart and an open mind and you've heard me talk a lot about tolerance tolerance as a fundamental political virtue that if you're gonna be involved in politics of any kind you have to have tolerance not for the people you agree with but for the people you disagree with that you need to learn to treat other people with some kind of dignity even when you very fundamentally disagree with them even when they really hurt your feelings and you know some of you people call me hypocrite that's cool and some of you people question a little bit more sincerely and deeply why is it about let's gel as that is my name it's it's not it's really not well why is it that if you practice this method of tolerance of many people with noble heart and open mind why is it that you have so much conflict in your life why is there so much conflict on this YouTube channel I think some of you guys are looking at this 180 degrees wrong meeting people with an open heart and an open mind is not a formula for conflict avoidance it's actually a formula for embracing risk inviting conflict into your life and learning from the conflicts and contrasts that come into your life what the vast majority of middle-aged people do instead is live alone or live in the same circle of friends they had since high school maybe the same circle friends they had since college they live in an enclosed circle of mutually admiring people where they're not exposed to certain types of criticism where they're not exposed to unexpected and jarring challenges where they're not really exposed to things that are ideologically unknown and of course they don't receive the kind of hatred I receive every day on the internet meeting people with an open heart and open mind does not mean you love everybody it means you give people a chance a chance to do what a chance to cooperate because ultimately the kind of constituency I'm trying to build here is about here's that catchphrase saving the planet I've asked you guys again and again to question in your own lives how your life would be different if you really were sincerely motivated by trying to save the planet if that really was what you were trying to pursue would you be doing what you're doing today in terms of ecological activism advocacy for veganism what you're doing on the internet off the internet in real life what you read what you write what you do with your spare time what you do in your professional life in your family life does it really square with that mission statement of saving the planet and I can tell you guys that what I do in reaching out to and trying to collaborate with my fellow vegans the internet absolutely is part of that mission and I'll give you some examples I mean there are so many positive examples I never thought I would be friends with Aaron Janis now we're real friends I never thought I'd be friends with vegan gains and just lately you know we've really been talking we've been becoming friends again or even becoming friends for the first time whatever you want to say obviously you guys heard me say just so I never thought I'd be friends someone like the vegan cheetah the number of bodybuilders who are now my friends blows my mind because the life I lived before I became vegan had nothing to do with bodybuilding it's just surprising to me I never would have thought I'd know so many guys who are bodybuilders you know Jason Posey know the light twins the list goes on and on these people have become my friends which is wonderful there are lots of positive examples you know when just now me and kerima carpet started Turkey talking and I was saying to Carrie look you know Carrie you and I we should have a Skype conversation where we resolve to not even mention durianrider let's just have a positive it's great this tunt tons of positive results have come out of it but look tolerance doesn't mean it's doesn't even mean acceptance as I've said on here before I remember there was a pair of of youtubers on vegans here on YouTube a couple you know so male and female couple and you know when I first got to know them I was aware they were right-wing they were somewhere in the Conservative Party or Republican Party or everyone say uh but I didn't know how far right-wing and then with time the girlfriend especially attitude she started making videos that were racist and that we're getting into neo-nazi type extremism I didn't see anything for that I thought I would really call neo-nazi but way out at that end and those are people were had made some effort to communicate with them to have positive relations with them to see if we could cooperate collaborate you know be part of this so-called movement for veganism because they're both ethical vegans they want to save the planet and you know what after a certain point you say I'm not gonna make this effort at you and still I'm still tolerant I never sent them hate mail I never sent them a denunciation I've never come on YouTube I'm even though I'm not naming them I'm not you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try to ruin their lives I'm not gonna do any of the things that durianrider did to me I'm not gonna do any things that Swayze did to me unnatural vegan did to me unnatural vegan dug around to try to find some comments somewhere on Facebook that I made in the past five years that make me sound like an [ __ ] well clap clap you know great you think that's not ad hominem you think that's a good argument come on uh I didn't do anything like that I still do tolerate them but no I'm no longer trying to communicate with those people another example that's both positive and negative you know pal simian for more than a year I think I think it's more than a year in my memory I had really paused the communication with that guy I never had any illusions about pal simian I know you know I never thought we had a lot in common no politically or intellectually or otherwise obviously on his channel he's always been a bit of a goofball which is fine not hating on him that's it's been what he does on the internet that's cool uh it's not really cool I just mean it's okay uh but you know for more than a year I sent him messages you know commenting on his videos sometimes positively but sometimes negatively and I remember once he sent me back a really appreciative comment after I sent him some criticism that was it was helpful criticism but I was saying look you may not realize what you're saying in this video but here's the way in which this is gonna get you in trouble it's wrong I remember him writing back to me and saying man this is gold you know thank you for writing this thank you for taking time to write this to me and he said he really needed this you know feedback or whatever so I in that sense I had a positive relationship with a guy for more than a year as I recall and then at one point he started sending me really insulting hate mail but what out of the blue and I didn't know what was up I didn't know what the reasons were and I just wrote to him saying like okay look you know I'm sorry you feel this way but obviously you know we're gonna stop communicating with each other and my emphasis because what he said to me was so vitriolic it was you know they were fighting words I said look I hope if we bump into each other an animal rights conference some time or you know vegan activist conference I hope this isn't gonna be a fist fight and I hope you know if there's a conflict which I'm not gonna start it I'm not gonna escalate it you know I didn't I don't want any problem with you but it's too bad we can't talk or we can't cooperate so this is it you know and that was the end of that conversation within 24 hours of him sending me that this is kind of hateful comments uh he was committed to an insane asylum many of you know that story it was on his channel he talked about it openly other people on their channels talked but openly so obviously I don't bear him any ill-will I didn't even at the time before I knew that but then you find out whoa okay this guy has a bunch of psychological problems that I didn't know about he never reached out to me to apologize he's you know even recently he sent me a little bit of hate mail recently and I said to him look you really want to do this you know uh what what are the criteria when do you give up on people whether it's the right wing people or Palestinian the question just is can I cooperate with you and if the answer is no it doesn't mean you're a bad person doesn't mean I'm a bad person either it reflects things about you reflects things about me but all I'm looking for is can I cooperate with you I had that conversation uh it's a podcast on patreon if you want the whole thing I put up a few minutes of it with Amy the vegan transition is Amy a good person I don't know I I don't know where that well I said to her the other day look you know I still want to cooperate with you even if you you know vote for Donald Trump even if you vote for because I pointed out to her we never talked about politics that way you know like in theory she could be right-wing I doubt it oh I said look for me this is not about your private life it's not about your private beliefs it's not about you know your political values may be different from mine there may be all kinds of things that surprised me about you I don't know the basic question just is can I cooperate with you and if I can that's something so precious and so meaningful and so important to me yeah you know what I'm willing to tolerate that there's a whole lot wrong with you or there's a whole lot that I disagree with you about and again I see that in a guy like vegan gains - yeah I mean if I made a list of things I disagree with vegan gains about it's a long list and way back in the day I told them before his channel was ever popular I said to him look man I I don't approve of you whipping out a knife on camera I there's just no way I can countenance that there's no way I can let morally ethically what-have-you I said to my know what it's like to have a knife pulled out of me in real life I don't know what if you do you know and in terms of what Venus was about and what YouTube's about and everything else you know this is just to me this is over the line so he knows I feel that way but apparently you know what's wonderful he's been communicating with what apparently we can cooperate that's something so precious and so important and so integral to this question of saving the planet that we pretend we care about yeah I don't I don't overlook what vegan gains does that offends me or that I disagree with I don't overlook it I don't ignore it I tolerate it and he knows that I disagree and you can recognize that disagreement we can keep moving and I hope we can cooperate I mean we're both Canadian citizens it's really likely we'll see each other animal rights conference or an ecology conference or some vegan events or even you know that all organized an event and I'll invite him to it totally I do that with vegan gains even though he knows what I disagree with no cuz that that's tolerance that's cooperation that's collaborate and again for limits if someone's actually a neo-nazi they're over the limits if someone's actually a communist you know for me that's over the limit and you know with you with the anarchist extremists you got to look at it on a case-by-case basis if someone's an anarchist and they're pro violence mmm I don't I don't really want to make that compromise so you know a lot of you guys were surprised about what happened with me and unnatural vegan but I wasn't you don't know her the way I do and a lot of you ignored the order of events she was misleading in her video on it which is fine misleading is not the same thing as a lie she names my 15 minute video that has you know civil war in the title but then she ignores the entire content of that video because that video was really reasonable and she wanted to make me sound unreasonable and you know she's playing these games in the emails to me she was doing even more saying she was gonna dig up comments like by me and about me from Buddhist discussion forums where I'm being an [ __ ] or whatever and I mean you know I've been through real things in my life uh what I said back to and that was look do you know what it's like to dedicate more than ten years of your life to becoming a specialist in the field having real expertise in a field and I've got all kinds of links in the internet reflecting that you know I've given a lecture at Oxford University England at the invitation of a professor emeritus everyone in the audience of almost everyone my girlfriend was an exception almost everyone in the audience was a professor themselves for that lecture was a really elite lecture given a lecture at so as University of London specialized you know Department for Asian Studies I've given lectures in Taiwan and in Cambodia and if you just look around the internet if you just google like there's one website called poly basa that gives a list of links for you know what's currently useful for that area of studies tera vaada buddhist studies paulista and my name is on a shockingly large percentage of those links I didn't make that website I'm not friends with the guy who did I don't know but I know why you know in that field it's true my contribution in a short period of time with a lot of disadvantages I made a big contribution I feel and some people love me for it and some people hate me for it but you know someone like Swayze someone like a natural vegan she can't relate to that at all I've got to ask her you know do you know what that's like in any field of study whether philosophy science any field and then you walk into the room whether it's a room in real life of people face-to-face or on Facebook and people are saying things that are egregiously factually wrong and offensive and hurtful to you personally about your area of expertise because with Buddhism people feel entitled and they do that all the time Buddhism is the worst like with the Islam people people are a little bit scared to voice their opinion about Islam like with a lot of things people will kind of back off no no no Buddhism it doesn't matter they had one conversation with some guy who calls himself a Dharma master if they feel like an expert they saw a couple of kung-fu movies they read a book on an airplane that they bought in the you know airplane lounge and they feel like an expert on Buddhism and they're gonna tell you and you know people on a skeptic forum on Facebook they read a Wikipedia article about how scientific the benefits of meditation are they've really haven't looked into it and they're gonna tell you they feel like they're the expert they're gonna tell you it's like well you know what I'm the only guy here who reads pally who reads danger could is pally reading pally is like reading Latin or reading Greek it's just an ancient dead language id2 the study I'm the only guys done this research and yeah you know what I do get to make fun of you I do get to make some sarcastic remarks in these forums because I've been through it and you know that's that's what I did with tell you is my life and I'm I'm not real apologetic about that the only other thing in my life that I'd really parallel that to and you know that often is a decisive influence is my engagement with indigenous peoples all over but including within Canada the Cree in a jib way but it's really indigenous minority issues anti-colonialism anti-genocide on a global like there was one guy I knew who was a he was an aspiring scholar of Cambodia so he was still getting I forget he was getting a master's degree at that time forget what stage it was at but he was a guy I knew in Cambodia and I put a lot of effort into getting to know him and trying to cooperate with him trying to collaborate with him even this is before veganism was my main thing but there was a humanitarian element to that I'd done volunteer work he'd done volunteer work you know so there were there were humanitarian and political elements to it not just academic or scholarly Ouma and you know one day so you know obviously this is mostly about Cambodia and Thailand most stuff we talked about that that part of the world Laos whatever and one day he just made this series of statements that were Pro genocide Pro colonialism and basically racist against the Aboriginal people of Australia from my perspective they were I knew a lot of people from Australia believe that a lot of people would regard what he had to say as moderate left-wing people and right-wing people and centered like those those views are common in Australia but the minute he said that stuff to me from my perspective he was open I didn't get angry I didn't get in his face but from my perspective he probably still doesn't know that from my perspective at that moment the friendship was over and I would never cooperate with him and I could never collaborate with him and that was it you meet people with an open heart and an open mind and you give them a chance I did that with Brett Rawlings I did that again and again with Joe best I wrote Joe best factual emails I give people a chance even though Brett Rowling's had insulted and reviled me and denigrating me in the internet so many times when I was in Chiangmai I said hey man do you want to meet you want to patch it up you know you want to put this on a positive basis he said no that's cool keep it moving I give people a chance to do the positive thing to make a positive relationship out of a negative one to set a basis for some kind of cooperation even when we've got nothing in common even if I think they're an idiot frankly even if I think they're stupid I give people that chance and I see if something positive and come from it but when you go around with an open heart and an open mind you get your heart broken again and again and again until there is nothing left to break and that's the strength I have in this world okay it's not a purely philosophical strength it's not a theoretical or abstract idea okay when I was saying the durianrider when he was getting in my face that I don't care if I live or die that he can kill me but he can't harm me that he can beat me up but that I'm not gonna feel bad about it and a lot of you guys watching this this for some of you will have no idea what I'm talking but for some of you this will be a memory from like twenty years ago you hadn't thought about and for some of you you know you won't relate to it or whatever so for some of you this is a memory from last weekend okay when you go through a fist fight doesn't matter if you win okay there's a lot of physical pain for days afterwards not just your knuckles hurt you know you you put your tongue on the roof of your mouth and there's pain your teeth all feel like they're in the wrong place for days your face is swollen up in a strange way when you put your face down on the pillow it hurts so you can't sleep for days all right that's what a real fist [ __ ] is like okay I I'm not soft this is the most ridiculous thing in those videos I had to say before I'm not a tough guy I just happen to be tougher than these guys if you guys actually watch through the video but what went down between me and Brett Rawlings or between me and Joe best the other sad thing is I keep saying to you I'm not a nice guy but the reality is I am nicer than these guys I really have made the effort to reach out to people positively and collaborate with them positively again and again and again and in so many cases like I mentioned before I mentioned a whole bunch of names including be in so many cases it has paid off I have wonderful positive collaborative relationships with so many people and I do value that but dude sometimes it just ain't gonna work no matter how how much you try Joe best is just never gonna catch on he's never gonna get it Brett Rawlings is never gonna catch on he's never gonna get it and that's okay and I've got to tell you the thing with me and and a natural vegan it goes back further than you guys know and the actual sequence events where that isn't quite what you guys see there's no point getting into detail but yeah basically you know what you try and at some point you gotta stop trying and just keep it moving at the time when durianrider was freaking out and imagining in his mind that I was plotting to destroy him in Chiangmai I was not thinking about during Ryder at all at the time when Durham writers started defaming me making threats of violence against me etc at the time when that started I had just gone to the zoo I was taking footage of the zoo and I was gonna make a video talking about vegan ethics and zoos those issues but I was not thinking about denouncing or criticizing during Ryder rights at all it was not on my mind and you know one of the things I saw at that zoo because I wanted to see what the conditions of animals were what the treatment was they had a show they put on on stage and at one point during this show the magician if you like the the emcee the leader of the show he pulled down a poster and the poster said in both Thai and English and I could read the Thai it's a simple enough phrase and tie it said save the planet and it was at that moment sitting in that zoo you know recording that on tape for a video thinking about what its gonna put in the video that I really started thinking in contrast to all the nonsense that was going on in Chiang Mai or all the nonsense that's happening on YouTube how would we be acting different how would we be behaving differently if we were really trying to save the planet and I still think that way and when I reach out to and try to pawsley cooperate with someone who is as profoundly alien from me as vegan gains or pal simian or a natural vegan that is what's going on in my heart in my mind and you know a lot of you guys get your hearts broken out here and a lot of you are not cut out for this game really a lot of you a lot of you have talked to me privately I know a lot of you a lot of people on YouTube have suffered horribly like emotional breakdowns in response to I really several you know some of you know privately you are obviously I'm not gonna name names okay I'm not like that because I'm past that when I was saying to durianrider that you know he can't hurt me that was really sincere and you know when you can't be hurt that's exactly when you're at the point of detachment and self-discipline when you can be helping others
using some of the same slogans again and again on this channel because we talked about some of the same issues of effective organism effective activism community organization trying to make a meaningful movement out of what's currently a meaningless morass of mutually hateful individuals in the internet tearing each other apart the first baby steps towards having a real vegan movement maybe somewhere in the world a real vegan community and I still got love for all y'all one of those slogans you've heard me say a bunch of times is about meeting people with an open heart and an open mind and you've heard me talk a lot about tolerance tolerance as a fundamental political virtue that if you're gonna be involved in politics of any kind you have to have tolerance not for the people you agree with but for the people you disagree with that you need to learn to treat other people with some kind of dignity even when you very fundamentally disagree with them even when they really hurt your feelings and you know some of you people call me hypocrite that's cool and some of you people question a little bit more sincerely and deeply why is it about let's gel as that is my name it's it's not it's really not well why is it that if you practice this method of tolerance of many people with noble heart and open mind why is it that you have so much conflict in your life why is there so much conflict on this YouTube channel I think some of you guys are looking at this 180 degrees wrong meeting people with an open heart and an open mind is not a formula for conflict avoidance it's actually a formula for embracing risk inviting conflict into your life and learning from the conflicts and contrasts that come into your life what the vast majority of middle-aged people do instead is live alone or live in the same circle of friends they had since high school maybe the same circle friends they had since college they live in an enclosed circle of mutually admiring people where they're not exposed to certain types of criticism where they're not exposed to unexpected and jarring challenges where they're not really exposed to things that are ideologically unknown and of course they don't receive the kind of hatred I receive every day on the internet meeting people with an open heart and open mind does not mean you love everybody it means you give people a chance a chance to do what a chance to cooperate because ultimately the kind of constituency I'm trying to build here is about here's that catchphrase saving the planet I've asked you guys again and again to question in your own lives how your life would be different if you really were sincerely motivated by trying to save the planet if that really was what you were trying to pursue would you be doing what you're doing today in terms of ecological activism advocacy for veganism what you're doing on the internet off the internet in real life what you read what you write what you do with your spare time what you do in your professional life in your family life does it really square with that mission statement of saving the planet and I can tell you guys that what I do in reaching out to and trying to collaborate with my fellow vegans the internet absolutely is part of that mission and I'll give you some examples I mean there are so many positive examples I never thought I would be friends with Aaron Janis now we're real friends I never thought I'd be friends with vegan gains and just lately you know we've really been talking we've been becoming friends again or even becoming friends for the first time whatever you want to say obviously you guys heard me say just so I never thought I'd be friends someone like the vegan cheetah the number of bodybuilders who are now my friends blows my mind because the life I lived before I became vegan had nothing to do with bodybuilding it's just surprising to me I never would have thought I'd know so many guys who are bodybuilders you know Jason Posey know the light twins the list goes on and on these people have become my friends which is wonderful there are lots of positive examples you know when just now me and kerima carpet started Turkey talking and I was saying to Carrie look you know Carrie you and I we should have a Skype conversation where we resolve to not even mention durianrider let's just have a positive it's great this tunt tons of positive results have come out of it but look tolerance doesn't mean it's doesn't even mean acceptance as I've said on here before I remember there was a pair of of youtubers on vegans here on YouTube a couple you know so male and female couple and you know when I first got to know them I was aware they were right-wing they were somewhere in the Conservative Party or Republican Party or everyone say uh but I didn't know how far right-wing and then with time the girlfriend especially attitude she started making videos that were racist and that we're getting into neo-nazi type extremism I didn't see anything for that I thought I would really call neo-nazi but way out at that end and those are people were had made some effort to communicate with them to have positive relations with them to see if we could cooperate collaborate you know be part of this so-called movement for veganism because they're both ethical vegans they want to save the planet and you know what after a certain point you say I'm not gonna make this effort at you and still I'm still tolerant I never sent them hate mail I never sent them a denunciation I've never come on YouTube I'm even though I'm not naming them I'm not you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try to ruin their lives I'm not gonna do any of the things that durianrider did to me I'm not gonna do any things that Swayze did to me unnatural vegan did to me unnatural vegan dug around to try to find some comments somewhere on Facebook that I made in the past five years that make me sound like an [ __ ] well clap clap you know great you think that's not ad hominem you think that's a good argument come on uh I didn't do anything like that I still do tolerate them but no I'm no longer trying to communicate with those people another example that's both positive and negative you know pal simian for more than a year I think I think it's more than a year in my memory I had really paused the communication with that guy I never had any illusions about pal simian I know you know I never thought we had a lot in common no politically or intellectually or otherwise obviously on his channel he's always been a bit of a goofball which is fine not hating on him that's it's been what he does on the internet that's cool uh it's not really cool I just mean it's okay uh but you know for more than a year I sent him messages you know commenting on his videos sometimes positively but sometimes negatively and I remember once he sent me back a really appreciative comment after I sent him some criticism that was it was helpful criticism but I was saying look you may not realize what you're saying in this video but here's the way in which this is gonna get you in trouble it's wrong I remember him writing back to me and saying man this is gold you know thank you for writing this thank you for taking time to write this to me and he said he really needed this you know feedback or whatever so I in that sense I had a positive relationship with a guy for more than a year as I recall and then at one point he started sending me really insulting hate mail but what out of the blue and I didn't know what was up I didn't know what the reasons were and I just wrote to him saying like okay look you know I'm sorry you feel this way but obviously you know we're gonna stop communicating with each other and my emphasis because what he said to me was so vitriolic it was you know they were fighting words I said look I hope if we bump into each other an animal rights conference some time or you know vegan activist conference I hope this isn't gonna be a fist fight and I hope you know if there's a conflict which I'm not gonna start it I'm not gonna escalate it you know I didn't I don't want any problem with you but it's too bad we can't talk or we can't cooperate so this is it you know and that was the end of that conversation within 24 hours of him sending me that this is kind of hateful comments uh he was committed to an insane asylum many of you know that story it was on his channel he talked about it openly other people on their channels talked but openly so obviously I don't bear him any ill-will I didn't even at the time before I knew that but then you find out whoa okay this guy has a bunch of psychological problems that I didn't know about he never reached out to me to apologize he's you know even recently he sent me a little bit of hate mail recently and I said to him look you really want to do this you know uh what what are the criteria when do you give up on people whether it's the right wing people or Palestinian the question just is can I cooperate with you and if the answer is no it doesn't mean you're a bad person doesn't mean I'm a bad person either it reflects things about you reflects things about me but all I'm looking for is can I cooperate with you I had that conversation uh it's a podcast on patreon if you want the whole thing I put up a few minutes of it with Amy the vegan transition is Amy a good person I don't know I I don't know where that well I said to her the other day look you know I still want to cooperate with you even if you you know vote for Donald Trump even if you vote for because I pointed out to her we never talked about politics that way you know like in theory she could be right-wing I doubt it oh I said look for me this is not about your private life it's not about your private beliefs it's not about you know your political values may be different from mine there may be all kinds of things that surprised me about you I don't know the basic question just is can I cooperate with you and if I can that's something so precious and so meaningful and so important to me yeah you know what I'm willing to tolerate that there's a whole lot wrong with you or there's a whole lot that I disagree with you about and again I see that in a guy like vegan gains - yeah I mean if I made a list of things I disagree with vegan gains about it's a long list and way back in the day I told them before his channel was ever popular I said to him look man I I don't approve of you whipping out a knife on camera I there's just no way I can countenance that there's no way I can let morally ethically what-have-you I said to my know what it's like to have a knife pulled out of me in real life I don't know what if you do you know and in terms of what Venus was about and what YouTube's about and everything else you know this is just to me this is over the line so he knows I feel that way but apparently you know what's wonderful he's been communicating with what apparently we can cooperate that's something so precious and so important and so integral to this question of saving the planet that we pretend we care about yeah I don't I don't overlook what vegan gains does that offends me or that I disagree with I don't overlook it I don't ignore it I tolerate it and he knows that I disagree and you can recognize that disagreement we can keep moving and I hope we can cooperate I mean we're both Canadian citizens it's really likely we'll see each other animal rights conference or an ecology conference or some vegan events or even you know that all organized an event and I'll invite him to it totally I do that with vegan gains even though he knows what I disagree with no cuz that that's tolerance that's cooperation that's collaborate and again for limits if someone's actually a neo-nazi they're over the limits if someone's actually a communist you know for me that's over the limit and you know with you with the anarchist extremists you got to look at it on a case-by-case basis if someone's an anarchist and they're pro violence mmm I don't I don't really want to make that compromise so you know a lot of you guys were surprised about what happened with me and unnatural vegan but I wasn't you don't know her the way I do and a lot of you ignored the order of events she was misleading in her video on it which is fine misleading is not the same thing as a lie she names my 15 minute video that has you know civil war in the title but then she ignores the entire content of that video because that video was really reasonable and she wanted to make me sound unreasonable and you know she's playing these games in the emails to me she was doing even more saying she was gonna dig up comments like by me and about me from Buddhist discussion forums where I'm being an [ __ ] or whatever and I mean you know I've been through real things in my life uh what I said back to and that was look do you know what it's like to dedicate more than ten years of your life to becoming a specialist in the field having real expertise in a field and I've got all kinds of links in the internet reflecting that you know I've given a lecture at Oxford University England at the invitation of a professor emeritus everyone in the audience of almost everyone my girlfriend was an exception almost everyone in the audience was a professor themselves for that lecture was a really elite lecture given a lecture at so as University of London specialized you know Department for Asian Studies I've given lectures in Taiwan and in Cambodia and if you just look around the internet if you just google like there's one website called poly basa that gives a list of links for you know what's currently useful for that area of studies tera vaada buddhist studies paulista and my name is on a shockingly large percentage of those links I didn't make that website I'm not friends with the guy who did I don't know but I know why you know in that field it's true my contribution in a short period of time with a lot of disadvantages I made a big contribution I feel and some people love me for it and some people hate me for it but you know someone like Swayze someone like a natural vegan she can't relate to that at all I've got to ask her you know do you know what that's like in any field of study whether philosophy science any field and then you walk into the room whether it's a room in real life of people face-to-face or on Facebook and people are saying things that are egregiously factually wrong and offensive and hurtful to you personally about your area of expertise because with Buddhism people feel entitled and they do that all the time Buddhism is the worst like with the Islam people people are a little bit scared to voice their opinion about Islam like with a lot of things people will kind of back off no no no Buddhism it doesn't matter they had one conversation with some guy who calls himself a Dharma master if they feel like an expert they saw a couple of kung-fu movies they read a book on an airplane that they bought in the you know airplane lounge and they feel like an expert on Buddhism and they're gonna tell you and you know people on a skeptic forum on Facebook they read a Wikipedia article about how scientific the benefits of meditation are they've really haven't looked into it and they're gonna tell you they feel like they're the expert they're gonna tell you it's like well you know what I'm the only guy here who reads pally who reads danger could is pally reading pally is like reading Latin or reading Greek it's just an ancient dead language id2 the study I'm the only guys done this research and yeah you know what I do get to make fun of you I do get to make some sarcastic remarks in these forums because I've been through it and you know that's that's what I did with tell you is my life and I'm I'm not real apologetic about that the only other thing in my life that I'd really parallel that to and you know that often is a decisive influence is my engagement with indigenous peoples all over but including within Canada the Cree in a jib way but it's really indigenous minority issues anti-colonialism anti-genocide on a global like there was one guy I knew who was a he was an aspiring scholar of Cambodia so he was still getting I forget he was getting a master's degree at that time forget what stage it was at but he was a guy I knew in Cambodia and I put a lot of effort into getting to know him and trying to cooperate with him trying to collaborate with him even this is before veganism was my main thing but there was a humanitarian element to that I'd done volunteer work he'd done volunteer work you know so there were there were humanitarian and political elements to it not just academic or scholarly Ouma and you know one day so you know obviously this is mostly about Cambodia and Thailand most stuff we talked about that that part of the world Laos whatever and one day he just made this series of statements that were Pro genocide Pro colonialism and basically racist against the Aboriginal people of Australia from my perspective they were I knew a lot of people from Australia believe that a lot of people would regard what he had to say as moderate left-wing people and right-wing people and centered like those those views are common in Australia but the minute he said that stuff to me from my perspective he was open I didn't get angry I didn't get in his face but from my perspective he probably still doesn't know that from my perspective at that moment the friendship was over and I would never cooperate with him and I could never collaborate with him and that was it you meet people with an open heart and an open mind and you give them a chance I did that with Brett Rawlings I did that again and again with Joe best I wrote Joe best factual emails I give people a chance even though Brett Rowling's had insulted and reviled me and denigrating me in the internet so many times when I was in Chiangmai I said hey man do you want to meet you want to patch it up you know you want to put this on a positive basis he said no that's cool keep it moving I give people a chance to do the positive thing to make a positive relationship out of a negative one to set a basis for some kind of cooperation even when we've got nothing in common even if I think they're an idiot frankly even if I think they're stupid I give people that chance and I see if something positive and come from it but when you go around with an open heart and an open mind you get your heart broken again and again and again until there is nothing left to break and that's the strength I have in this world okay it's not a purely philosophical strength it's not a theoretical or abstract idea okay when I was saying the durianrider when he was getting in my face that I don't care if I live or die that he can kill me but he can't harm me that he can beat me up but that I'm not gonna feel bad about it and a lot of you guys watching this this for some of you will have no idea what I'm talking but for some of you this will be a memory from like twenty years ago you hadn't thought about and for some of you you know you won't relate to it or whatever so for some of you this is a memory from last weekend okay when you go through a fist fight doesn't matter if you win okay there's a lot of physical pain for days afterwards not just your knuckles hurt you know you you put your tongue on the roof of your mouth and there's pain your teeth all feel like they're in the wrong place for days your face is swollen up in a strange way when you put your face down on the pillow it hurts so you can't sleep for days all right that's what a real fist [ __ ] is like okay I I'm not soft this is the most ridiculous thing in those videos I had to say before I'm not a tough guy I just happen to be tougher than these guys if you guys actually watch through the video but what went down between me and Brett Rawlings or between me and Joe best the other sad thing is I keep saying to you I'm not a nice guy but the reality is I am nicer than these guys I really have made the effort to reach out to people positively and collaborate with them positively again and again and again and in so many cases like I mentioned before I mentioned a whole bunch of names including be in so many cases it has paid off I have wonderful positive collaborative relationships with so many people and I do value that but dude sometimes it just ain't gonna work no matter how how much you try Joe best is just never gonna catch on he's never gonna get it Brett Rawlings is never gonna catch on he's never gonna get it and that's okay and I've got to tell you the thing with me and and a natural vegan it goes back further than you guys know and the actual sequence events where that isn't quite what you guys see there's no point getting into detail but yeah basically you know what you try and at some point you gotta stop trying and just keep it moving at the time when durianrider was freaking out and imagining in his mind that I was plotting to destroy him in Chiangmai I was not thinking about during Ryder at all at the time when Durham writers started defaming me making threats of violence against me etc at the time when that started I had just gone to the zoo I was taking footage of the zoo and I was gonna make a video talking about vegan ethics and zoos those issues but I was not thinking about denouncing or criticizing during Ryder rights at all it was not on my mind and you know one of the things I saw at that zoo because I wanted to see what the conditions of animals were what the treatment was they had a show they put on on stage and at one point during this show the magician if you like the the emcee the leader of the show he pulled down a poster and the poster said in both Thai and English and I could read the Thai it's a simple enough phrase and tie it said save the planet and it was at that moment sitting in that zoo you know recording that on tape for a video thinking about what its gonna put in the video that I really started thinking in contrast to all the nonsense that was going on in Chiang Mai or all the nonsense that's happening on YouTube how would we be acting different how would we be behaving differently if we were really trying to save the planet and I still think that way and when I reach out to and try to pawsley cooperate with someone who is as profoundly alien from me as vegan gains or pal simian or a natural vegan that is what's going on in my heart in my mind and you know a lot of you guys get your hearts broken out here and a lot of you are not cut out for this game really a lot of you a lot of you have talked to me privately I know a lot of you a lot of people on YouTube have suffered horribly like emotional breakdowns in response to I really several you know some of you know privately you are obviously I'm not gonna name names okay I'm not like that because I'm past that when I was saying to durianrider that you know he can't hurt me that was really sincere and you know when you can't be hurt that's exactly when you're at the point of detachment and self-discipline when you can be helping others