I'm not cool with Joe Best: Digital Demimonde Drama Discussion.
06 July 2017 [link youtube]
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we are live streaming from the most lit
hotel room in Beijing but which I mean it's really brightly lit because you're trying to get decent image quality you turn on every light in the room and it's still not well-lit enough I still think you really see my face clearly but whatever slightly blurry video very brightly lit hotel room in Beijing China we're live-streaming he's so look I got some photos and some funny comments from friends of mine and frenemies of mine and complete strangers of mine in Chiang Mai Thailand who just showed up and attended my lawsuit my day in court in in Chiang Mai Thailand so these are criminal charges in Thailand that are against charming young fellow you may have heard of called called earring writer so wanted to mention off the bat you know the first cat to really do that was actually angry vegan so there was this time not too long ago when a lot of people were saying even though it was ridiculous and there was no reason to doubt that it was a full court case all these people were claiming for no good reason that my court case was fake and that it wasn't really happening they even the claiming that I had hired actors to pretend to be lawyers and claiming I mean every legal document I ever put including like showing my own ID showing my own passport people would claim was fake and then the other side during Ryder would make these insane claims with no evidence and nobody would ask for screenshots nobody would ask for documents didn't even show document even have to fake documents and people would take that seriously I was saying stuff that was really true and had documents to and evidence to back it up so that was ridiculous that went on for a long long time but there is this cat cold angry vegan and angry vegan is a really small Channel yeah no offense is that's the reality I want to talk about that too I want to talk about the philosophy of having a small Channel remember I've mentioned that to you and what you know what can you really aspire to what's reasonable and meaningful and motivates you in your own life if you have a small Channel and you're looking at the future of it always being a small job because most of us that's what it is you know how many people are gonna be ten on mojo there's no reason to plan your social calendar as if you're gonna be the next 10 at Marshall maybe even Tana mojo is not gonna be the next animal show it's not gonna last right but anyway he's a small youtuber and he is one of the last diehard supporters of durianrider and he was kind of holding out and in senior that this core case was was fake or not real or there's something misleading there was some kind of scam attached to it and I said to him I said to several other people in Chiangmai the same time - I said look if you want to go to the courthouse you can go it's public it's open to the public you know it's like going to City Hall like paying your taxes any anybody can go and I think I forgot I was talking directly to angry week in a row starting to a friend of his who went with him because a couple people went together and I but I said - angry vegan and others I said look you know if you go to the actual courthouse the legal documents are like hanging on the wall they've actually got these like they're basically like three-ring binders but it's on a wooden wall and I remember warning them saying look you know you gotta wear a suit you got a dress up you know you can't just wear a t-shirt he can't show up wearing your skin tight bike shorts you know fluorescent bike helmet or something they're not gonna do cuz tie society is you know a formal repressive kind of culturally it's like that you know you put on a nice shirt you can walk in and you can ask for help you know and they'll find the case for you you can look under my name or you can come to the date the date of the last day in court you know beYOU can check this anyway so angry vegan was one of the cats you even though he was doing right her supporter and he still is he still supports during Ryder even though he knows during Ryder was light of all this stuff and he went up because I I suggested this I said look if you don't believe me stop asking me to post documents on the Internet and then have during writers say they're fake because that's what I've been again and again and people for no reason take everybody seriously I posted my criminal record and he's like oh no no that's fake anyone could fake that you know and you make these ridiculous claims with no screenshot even though you can fake a screenshot without even a single screenshot you would say that somebody said something on Facebook well if they said it why isn't there a screenshot and of course you can fake you know screech I was thinking like but nevertheless he had no evidence on set so these cats these these this bunch of guys I say I assume they rode their bicycles maybe they took a cab they put on their Sunday best and they go up to the courthouse and angry vegan gets to see there hang it on the wall he's totally shocked the case is real I see the legal documents and um you know he then goes and presents this factoring writer because durianrider is either lying about this or is or is in denial great enough for many people it's an open question was he intentionally and Derian riders reply to angry vegan angry was just his mind is blown you know that this is a real case he says to him keep this quiet nobody else know about it don't tell anyone so you tell me was durianrider intentionally lying the whole time or was he in some kind of you know psychological state of denial or what you know was this just was it always a ploy was he what was he aware for all this time that the court case is real or is he slightly crazy or is it both not you know usually useless situations like sorry I'm not I'm not preventing my girlfriend from speaking here by the way this is just naturally the nature of this topic of conversation she doesn't have a whole lot to say about but anyway so lately a bunch of the cats who are in Chiangmai went up to attend this day in court like it's my day in court in a sense he's the criminal charge against Aryan Ryder case that I'm a part of case that I instigated case that I'm a principal witness in and so on and you know so Sam sent me this photo of Joe best in the courtroom you know talking to my lawyer too so they met they met at least one of those there's several lawyers in the case and there's a team of lawyers it's not just one lawyer vote but they met one of the lawyers and they saw though they saw the cases real and so on and you know Joe best has been asking me lately basically why aren't we cool you know why am I not cool with with Joe best so hey let's digress on this point this isn't up so we'll come back to Joe best but look when you talk about guys like Joe best and we talk about guys like Dom Bower those are two really good examples right there's small youtubers but everybody knows who they are doesn't mean they have regular viewers doesn't mean everybody watches them you know but like everyone within the vegan scene within the dem you want knows who they are I think if you're a small youtuber that's really the most you can aspire to is that within your category you know people know who you are and you know some people gonna love you and some people gonna hate you but if you look at a guy like dom bow or everyone knows who he is everyone within veganism everyone cuz you know and that's funny because like a lot of people don't know who Gary Franchione a is Gary I'm certain Gary France know me as fewer YouTube viewers but you know uh like I don't think Dom Bower has ever been thinking about quitting his job to do YouTube full dive or dropping out of school to do for that you know he's never been looking at this this thing that pays his rent you know this is in a sense a way for him to socialize other people you know it is truly for him I think social media it's socializing over via via the media that's you know that's what's possible that's what's you know anyway uh yeah and I see a lot of people including angry vegan maybe we can keep this on topic I think a true vegan is a guy who's really it's really [ __ ] up his life it's really at a negative impact on his life the fantasy that he doesn't need an education he doesn't need a career because he can just do YouTube you can just be the next YouTube star and guys not everybody can you know not everybody has what it takes know it not everybody talks a good enough game or has whatever set of talents it takes to have a shot anyone gets lucky right right right I mean how can anyone say like you know to a musician if they're a talented musician oh yeah your next album is definitely gonna be a hit you can't possibly say that and with YouTube there's really no particular identifiable talent unlike being a musician sigh you can say well this guy objectively is a talented guitarist but he's never had a hit record that's very common yeah you know if you know musicians but you can't say this person is objectively a talented youtuber but they've never had a hit video but sure I know people I mean I know people who were on the grind that way I like the phlegm face she calls herself she uses no space if you're gonna search that YouTube with the phlegm face no spaces between those three um you know when I think she talks about some interesting stuff on our Channel but what's attainable for I think she can get to the same level as Dom Bower or the same level as Joe best were fundamentally people in the scene though her channel but I don't think you know why would she ever be able to pay her rent you know why would she be the next time mojo that's you know it's ridiculous anyway you know time was I reached out to Joe best positively again and again and again and very few of my viewers they will know that because that goes back to like the first few months I think of this channel when this channel was pretty new I reached out to Joe best positively and you he didn't really remember every state so I don't know what his deal was he was busy at the time but you know um my first videos I think the first two addressed to Joe best and what he had going on in his life he watched them and he sent me positive comments on them that's never call within facebook like he know he had a common face with oh this is quite a good video actually you know if you give it a chance you know kind of blah blah blah he appreciated this too that he did not actually perceive my videos about him as hostile or real intention and they weren't they weren't hurt hostile and they weren't no intention but I responded to a controversy he had controversy about his personal life on YouTube by giving him advice basically about being a foreigner in Thailand right now we're foreigners living in China and you know his advice like look you know you got to think about the difference between socializing with tourists and socializing people who really live there you've got to think about committing the time to studying the language you know speaking Thai if you're in Thailand speaking Chinese if you're in China this kind of stuff you know there's there's a lot there's a lot to think about there and I gave him some specific advice for how he could kind of raise his status within the vegan movement because he was in a very poor area so these still isms then he was in a very precarious position within veganism partly because he didn't really eat a 100% vegan diet neither does Dom Bower Dom Bower calls himself Pro vegan rather than vegan you know and he had this scandal and had these other troubles but that stuff I was not I was not hating on him and you know I was very open at that time to cooperating with him positively now since then he's kind of said nasty it means to be heard things about me and about other friends of mine on YouTube he's kind of defamed than harangues and tried to get attention fuel I don't really resent that I don't really care but it's part of the background noise to this story but I repeatedly reached out to Joe positively including when he said a bunch of stuff defaming me about this self same issue so I just described people going to the courthouse well he was saying that I was a scam artist so there was something unreal or fake about my court case and this stuff and as with Joe vegan a lot of other people I was saying then we'll look do you want to see legal documents do you want to talk to me like and he was really crappy stuff dealer who's just he was just making up all this speculation about why I wasn't shagging my anyway and did I have any right to be in shame my and I said on this long email I said look okay you asked what I was in shame I here's the answer it's boring but this is the true answer you know listed all the reasons that wasn't shame behind that time what I was doing it's look any none of this is mysterious stop talking about me like it's hard to find me stop making up stories about me where really the point of the stories is to defame me it's always kind of vaguely defamatory and crappy and I reach out and positively then and again and again over a period of more than a year and every single time the guy was a complete [ __ ] to me he was a complete [ __ ] publicly on YouTube he was a complete [ __ ] to me privately and then I don't know let's say better part of a year goes by maybe it was only six months and you know he had a couple of videos that I respected just a couple he did a couple of videos about nutrition it was when he finally lost faith in durianrider a dream right his weight loss advice is interesting that he had this breaking point where he finally stopped believing this stuff to him and I said about weight loss and he made a couple of good videos about weight loss and nutrition where he was also criticizing attacking what German writer said and what he had himself believing in the past and it didn't work for him he never lost weight using that advice and I watched those videos that you know what even though I've had bad experiences with this guy in the past with Joe best I'm gonna reach out to him and say what's up and let's offer to do a Skype call let's do a Skype call let's do a podcast let's record a video this do so many clap because say you know what like at that time I think there were just two videos on his channel I respect it I say you know what I've reached out to people positively when they don't even have one video I can respect this guy just did two videos I respected he seems to have taken a more positive direction lately on his channel he hasn't defamed me lately you know I mean and I think also he did delete a couple of the videos against me that were really awful I think of his own accord like you had some videos against me that were really defaming me and he actually later deleted those I kind of noticed that at some point he's deleted a lot of his past videos so I can't even keep straight how much stuff he said post in the deleted well here's what happened this is the crazy thing so again on skype with this guy and this guy allegedly has a background in finance in international finance and the banking system we're reading by the way we've got comments coming in because we're live streaming will record this video so yeah I don't know if we want to interrupt this story to answer any of these particular questions I mean none of them really stand out to me but we get asked does my girlfriend have have her own YouTube channel and the answer is no she doesn't yes so and we've got a few other few other questions that I don't think we need to intro you want you want to get there's no really obstacle with organizing the Skype call you just haven't scheduled just go call yet with Dom Bower oh yeah yeah I've been trying to get Dom on the show for over a year right yeah I might have written him before that too I don't know but yeah yeah fraid you cuz I promoted Dom on my channel I used clips of him on my back when he had a smaller number of viewers and in effect he promoted me I mean no not really but yeah he used to be a big fan of my channel he had a bunch of videos about what if any was my channel so I thought he'd be easier than the show but then turns out he's hard to book that that Dom Bower he's always he's always putting appearances for vegan cheetah but he's been hard to get much in anyway so here's what I have it was really it was really crazy at the time and I laughed a lot at the time to Joe best gets on skype with me he allegedly has this background in finance in economics and his whole approach to this Skype call which he recorded in his hand and he then kind of blackmailed me with afterwards so he says ok this is a private Skype call about Jesus publicly and he said he was just gonna interrogate me over what he thought was evidence of like financial fraud at my end yeah and he's asking me these questions some of them are about the lawyer and the court case we was like oh no that's an inconsistency you said this is about the lawyer never saying that of a Thor it was it was dumb I'm really tempted to use the r-word it's he was very learning-disabled this interaction was mind-blowing how stupid what he had to say was and I again I asked him one point this conversation with bassoon he was also asking me a lot of details about the actual bank transfer those are really boring details I can break down feel like yeah so we did the bank transfer this way and that didn't work and then I talked to the bank manager and then I talked to the website that we did the bank transfer another way but it's boring details and this guy you think he'd never been to a bank in his life and he alleges his banks his backstory is he used to work out at a high level in American Finance in in international banking and I said look I'm sorry Joe what job did you do at the bank were you a gardener were you you know like you know were you a janitor the only University diploma he's got is in architecture so he made like what like these questions he was asking and his kind of contrived uh contrived outrage and his claims that I was engaged in you know financial you know but in fraud he was accusing me of fraud and scam artists tree and was probably because he was incapable of understanding these really simple facts I was laying down for him about the lawyer about how much the lawyers pay how the lawyer got paid how the bank transfer done it's all this stuff like you don't particularly have a right to ask me but I'm a very open and forthright person and I'm sitting there being as open and forthright as possible with somebody and most time he's asking me these questions which were just mind-blowing ly stupid and it's like okay now I'm gonna say the same thing to you exactly but using grade four vocabulary like I'm getting I'm dumbing it down as much as I possibly can for the sky and he's just too stupid and too vile and he recorded this and then he turned around he appeared on Joe vegans channels he's two different people called Joe Joe best and show vegan and he's he really defamed me on Jovie in his channel he said that I was very defensive and very evasive and that I wouldn't answer his questions would you completely ally I was answering all of his questions I was being totally forthright with him a lot of my questions he was he was too stupid to understand the answers and then as they say he promised me repeatedly during that scope call that he wasn't ever going to post this pokel this is a private conversation but he did actually turn around and try to black noon with this now that ended when he sent me an apology asking for my help when his words according to him he received death threats from durianrider which is very likely I should put an asterisk on that cuz I've myself had received what I could call death threats during writers all the time putting up these kind of loosely worded death threats during writer stated not long on the internet that if I went to Chiangmai I would get stabbed that somebody would stab me that somebody would kill me that a gang of people would beat me up or kill me he does that quite often and most people do not take it that seriously of course it's immoral but you know we're not gonna give morality lectures the durianrider at this point it's you know so he actually received some kind of threat that scared him so just a couple of days after he had this horrible Skype call with me and he did this horrible thing on on Joe vegans channel really defaming me at a time when there were people around who actually believe this crap people who believe the court case was fake then he sends me email in which he's suddenly trying to be my best friend and find out about my lawyer file but he do cuz he's thinking about having his own legal case against he's asked me for advice on stuff so yeah long story short Mike sposa Joe best is that's a wrap
hotel room in Beijing but which I mean it's really brightly lit because you're trying to get decent image quality you turn on every light in the room and it's still not well-lit enough I still think you really see my face clearly but whatever slightly blurry video very brightly lit hotel room in Beijing China we're live-streaming he's so look I got some photos and some funny comments from friends of mine and frenemies of mine and complete strangers of mine in Chiang Mai Thailand who just showed up and attended my lawsuit my day in court in in Chiang Mai Thailand so these are criminal charges in Thailand that are against charming young fellow you may have heard of called called earring writer so wanted to mention off the bat you know the first cat to really do that was actually angry vegan so there was this time not too long ago when a lot of people were saying even though it was ridiculous and there was no reason to doubt that it was a full court case all these people were claiming for no good reason that my court case was fake and that it wasn't really happening they even the claiming that I had hired actors to pretend to be lawyers and claiming I mean every legal document I ever put including like showing my own ID showing my own passport people would claim was fake and then the other side during Ryder would make these insane claims with no evidence and nobody would ask for screenshots nobody would ask for documents didn't even show document even have to fake documents and people would take that seriously I was saying stuff that was really true and had documents to and evidence to back it up so that was ridiculous that went on for a long long time but there is this cat cold angry vegan and angry vegan is a really small Channel yeah no offense is that's the reality I want to talk about that too I want to talk about the philosophy of having a small Channel remember I've mentioned that to you and what you know what can you really aspire to what's reasonable and meaningful and motivates you in your own life if you have a small Channel and you're looking at the future of it always being a small job because most of us that's what it is you know how many people are gonna be ten on mojo there's no reason to plan your social calendar as if you're gonna be the next 10 at Marshall maybe even Tana mojo is not gonna be the next animal show it's not gonna last right but anyway he's a small youtuber and he is one of the last diehard supporters of durianrider and he was kind of holding out and in senior that this core case was was fake or not real or there's something misleading there was some kind of scam attached to it and I said to him I said to several other people in Chiangmai the same time - I said look if you want to go to the courthouse you can go it's public it's open to the public you know it's like going to City Hall like paying your taxes any anybody can go and I think I forgot I was talking directly to angry week in a row starting to a friend of his who went with him because a couple people went together and I but I said - angry vegan and others I said look you know if you go to the actual courthouse the legal documents are like hanging on the wall they've actually got these like they're basically like three-ring binders but it's on a wooden wall and I remember warning them saying look you know you gotta wear a suit you got a dress up you know you can't just wear a t-shirt he can't show up wearing your skin tight bike shorts you know fluorescent bike helmet or something they're not gonna do cuz tie society is you know a formal repressive kind of culturally it's like that you know you put on a nice shirt you can walk in and you can ask for help you know and they'll find the case for you you can look under my name or you can come to the date the date of the last day in court you know beYOU can check this anyway so angry vegan was one of the cats you even though he was doing right her supporter and he still is he still supports during Ryder even though he knows during Ryder was light of all this stuff and he went up because I I suggested this I said look if you don't believe me stop asking me to post documents on the Internet and then have during writers say they're fake because that's what I've been again and again and people for no reason take everybody seriously I posted my criminal record and he's like oh no no that's fake anyone could fake that you know and you make these ridiculous claims with no screenshot even though you can fake a screenshot without even a single screenshot you would say that somebody said something on Facebook well if they said it why isn't there a screenshot and of course you can fake you know screech I was thinking like but nevertheless he had no evidence on set so these cats these these this bunch of guys I say I assume they rode their bicycles maybe they took a cab they put on their Sunday best and they go up to the courthouse and angry vegan gets to see there hang it on the wall he's totally shocked the case is real I see the legal documents and um you know he then goes and presents this factoring writer because durianrider is either lying about this or is or is in denial great enough for many people it's an open question was he intentionally and Derian riders reply to angry vegan angry was just his mind is blown you know that this is a real case he says to him keep this quiet nobody else know about it don't tell anyone so you tell me was durianrider intentionally lying the whole time or was he in some kind of you know psychological state of denial or what you know was this just was it always a ploy was he what was he aware for all this time that the court case is real or is he slightly crazy or is it both not you know usually useless situations like sorry I'm not I'm not preventing my girlfriend from speaking here by the way this is just naturally the nature of this topic of conversation she doesn't have a whole lot to say about but anyway so lately a bunch of the cats who are in Chiangmai went up to attend this day in court like it's my day in court in a sense he's the criminal charge against Aryan Ryder case that I'm a part of case that I instigated case that I'm a principal witness in and so on and you know so Sam sent me this photo of Joe best in the courtroom you know talking to my lawyer too so they met they met at least one of those there's several lawyers in the case and there's a team of lawyers it's not just one lawyer vote but they met one of the lawyers and they saw though they saw the cases real and so on and you know Joe best has been asking me lately basically why aren't we cool you know why am I not cool with with Joe best so hey let's digress on this point this isn't up so we'll come back to Joe best but look when you talk about guys like Joe best and we talk about guys like Dom Bower those are two really good examples right there's small youtubers but everybody knows who they are doesn't mean they have regular viewers doesn't mean everybody watches them you know but like everyone within the vegan scene within the dem you want knows who they are I think if you're a small youtuber that's really the most you can aspire to is that within your category you know people know who you are and you know some people gonna love you and some people gonna hate you but if you look at a guy like dom bow or everyone knows who he is everyone within veganism everyone cuz you know and that's funny because like a lot of people don't know who Gary Franchione a is Gary I'm certain Gary France know me as fewer YouTube viewers but you know uh like I don't think Dom Bower has ever been thinking about quitting his job to do YouTube full dive or dropping out of school to do for that you know he's never been looking at this this thing that pays his rent you know this is in a sense a way for him to socialize other people you know it is truly for him I think social media it's socializing over via via the media that's you know that's what's possible that's what's you know anyway uh yeah and I see a lot of people including angry vegan maybe we can keep this on topic I think a true vegan is a guy who's really it's really [ __ ] up his life it's really at a negative impact on his life the fantasy that he doesn't need an education he doesn't need a career because he can just do YouTube you can just be the next YouTube star and guys not everybody can you know not everybody has what it takes know it not everybody talks a good enough game or has whatever set of talents it takes to have a shot anyone gets lucky right right right I mean how can anyone say like you know to a musician if they're a talented musician oh yeah your next album is definitely gonna be a hit you can't possibly say that and with YouTube there's really no particular identifiable talent unlike being a musician sigh you can say well this guy objectively is a talented guitarist but he's never had a hit record that's very common yeah you know if you know musicians but you can't say this person is objectively a talented youtuber but they've never had a hit video but sure I know people I mean I know people who were on the grind that way I like the phlegm face she calls herself she uses no space if you're gonna search that YouTube with the phlegm face no spaces between those three um you know when I think she talks about some interesting stuff on our Channel but what's attainable for I think she can get to the same level as Dom Bower or the same level as Joe best were fundamentally people in the scene though her channel but I don't think you know why would she ever be able to pay her rent you know why would she be the next time mojo that's you know it's ridiculous anyway you know time was I reached out to Joe best positively again and again and again and very few of my viewers they will know that because that goes back to like the first few months I think of this channel when this channel was pretty new I reached out to Joe best positively and you he didn't really remember every state so I don't know what his deal was he was busy at the time but you know um my first videos I think the first two addressed to Joe best and what he had going on in his life he watched them and he sent me positive comments on them that's never call within facebook like he know he had a common face with oh this is quite a good video actually you know if you give it a chance you know kind of blah blah blah he appreciated this too that he did not actually perceive my videos about him as hostile or real intention and they weren't they weren't hurt hostile and they weren't no intention but I responded to a controversy he had controversy about his personal life on YouTube by giving him advice basically about being a foreigner in Thailand right now we're foreigners living in China and you know his advice like look you know you got to think about the difference between socializing with tourists and socializing people who really live there you've got to think about committing the time to studying the language you know speaking Thai if you're in Thailand speaking Chinese if you're in China this kind of stuff you know there's there's a lot there's a lot to think about there and I gave him some specific advice for how he could kind of raise his status within the vegan movement because he was in a very poor area so these still isms then he was in a very precarious position within veganism partly because he didn't really eat a 100% vegan diet neither does Dom Bower Dom Bower calls himself Pro vegan rather than vegan you know and he had this scandal and had these other troubles but that stuff I was not I was not hating on him and you know I was very open at that time to cooperating with him positively now since then he's kind of said nasty it means to be heard things about me and about other friends of mine on YouTube he's kind of defamed than harangues and tried to get attention fuel I don't really resent that I don't really care but it's part of the background noise to this story but I repeatedly reached out to Joe positively including when he said a bunch of stuff defaming me about this self same issue so I just described people going to the courthouse well he was saying that I was a scam artist so there was something unreal or fake about my court case and this stuff and as with Joe vegan a lot of other people I was saying then we'll look do you want to see legal documents do you want to talk to me like and he was really crappy stuff dealer who's just he was just making up all this speculation about why I wasn't shagging my anyway and did I have any right to be in shame my and I said on this long email I said look okay you asked what I was in shame I here's the answer it's boring but this is the true answer you know listed all the reasons that wasn't shame behind that time what I was doing it's look any none of this is mysterious stop talking about me like it's hard to find me stop making up stories about me where really the point of the stories is to defame me it's always kind of vaguely defamatory and crappy and I reach out and positively then and again and again over a period of more than a year and every single time the guy was a complete [ __ ] to me he was a complete [ __ ] publicly on YouTube he was a complete [ __ ] to me privately and then I don't know let's say better part of a year goes by maybe it was only six months and you know he had a couple of videos that I respected just a couple he did a couple of videos about nutrition it was when he finally lost faith in durianrider a dream right his weight loss advice is interesting that he had this breaking point where he finally stopped believing this stuff to him and I said about weight loss and he made a couple of good videos about weight loss and nutrition where he was also criticizing attacking what German writer said and what he had himself believing in the past and it didn't work for him he never lost weight using that advice and I watched those videos that you know what even though I've had bad experiences with this guy in the past with Joe best I'm gonna reach out to him and say what's up and let's offer to do a Skype call let's do a Skype call let's do a podcast let's record a video this do so many clap because say you know what like at that time I think there were just two videos on his channel I respect it I say you know what I've reached out to people positively when they don't even have one video I can respect this guy just did two videos I respected he seems to have taken a more positive direction lately on his channel he hasn't defamed me lately you know I mean and I think also he did delete a couple of the videos against me that were really awful I think of his own accord like you had some videos against me that were really defaming me and he actually later deleted those I kind of noticed that at some point he's deleted a lot of his past videos so I can't even keep straight how much stuff he said post in the deleted well here's what happened this is the crazy thing so again on skype with this guy and this guy allegedly has a background in finance in international finance and the banking system we're reading by the way we've got comments coming in because we're live streaming will record this video so yeah I don't know if we want to interrupt this story to answer any of these particular questions I mean none of them really stand out to me but we get asked does my girlfriend have have her own YouTube channel and the answer is no she doesn't yes so and we've got a few other few other questions that I don't think we need to intro you want you want to get there's no really obstacle with organizing the Skype call you just haven't scheduled just go call yet with Dom Bower oh yeah yeah I've been trying to get Dom on the show for over a year right yeah I might have written him before that too I don't know but yeah yeah fraid you cuz I promoted Dom on my channel I used clips of him on my back when he had a smaller number of viewers and in effect he promoted me I mean no not really but yeah he used to be a big fan of my channel he had a bunch of videos about what if any was my channel so I thought he'd be easier than the show but then turns out he's hard to book that that Dom Bower he's always he's always putting appearances for vegan cheetah but he's been hard to get much in anyway so here's what I have it was really it was really crazy at the time and I laughed a lot at the time to Joe best gets on skype with me he allegedly has this background in finance in economics and his whole approach to this Skype call which he recorded in his hand and he then kind of blackmailed me with afterwards so he says ok this is a private Skype call about Jesus publicly and he said he was just gonna interrogate me over what he thought was evidence of like financial fraud at my end yeah and he's asking me these questions some of them are about the lawyer and the court case we was like oh no that's an inconsistency you said this is about the lawyer never saying that of a Thor it was it was dumb I'm really tempted to use the r-word it's he was very learning-disabled this interaction was mind-blowing how stupid what he had to say was and I again I asked him one point this conversation with bassoon he was also asking me a lot of details about the actual bank transfer those are really boring details I can break down feel like yeah so we did the bank transfer this way and that didn't work and then I talked to the bank manager and then I talked to the website that we did the bank transfer another way but it's boring details and this guy you think he'd never been to a bank in his life and he alleges his banks his backstory is he used to work out at a high level in American Finance in in international banking and I said look I'm sorry Joe what job did you do at the bank were you a gardener were you you know like you know were you a janitor the only University diploma he's got is in architecture so he made like what like these questions he was asking and his kind of contrived uh contrived outrage and his claims that I was engaged in you know financial you know but in fraud he was accusing me of fraud and scam artists tree and was probably because he was incapable of understanding these really simple facts I was laying down for him about the lawyer about how much the lawyers pay how the lawyer got paid how the bank transfer done it's all this stuff like you don't particularly have a right to ask me but I'm a very open and forthright person and I'm sitting there being as open and forthright as possible with somebody and most time he's asking me these questions which were just mind-blowing ly stupid and it's like okay now I'm gonna say the same thing to you exactly but using grade four vocabulary like I'm getting I'm dumbing it down as much as I possibly can for the sky and he's just too stupid and too vile and he recorded this and then he turned around he appeared on Joe vegans channels he's two different people called Joe Joe best and show vegan and he's he really defamed me on Jovie in his channel he said that I was very defensive and very evasive and that I wouldn't answer his questions would you completely ally I was answering all of his questions I was being totally forthright with him a lot of my questions he was he was too stupid to understand the answers and then as they say he promised me repeatedly during that scope call that he wasn't ever going to post this pokel this is a private conversation but he did actually turn around and try to black noon with this now that ended when he sent me an apology asking for my help when his words according to him he received death threats from durianrider which is very likely I should put an asterisk on that cuz I've myself had received what I could call death threats during writers all the time putting up these kind of loosely worded death threats during writer stated not long on the internet that if I went to Chiangmai I would get stabbed that somebody would stab me that somebody would kill me that a gang of people would beat me up or kill me he does that quite often and most people do not take it that seriously of course it's immoral but you know we're not gonna give morality lectures the durianrider at this point it's you know so he actually received some kind of threat that scared him so just a couple of days after he had this horrible Skype call with me and he did this horrible thing on on Joe vegans channel really defaming me at a time when there were people around who actually believe this crap people who believe the court case was fake then he sends me email in which he's suddenly trying to be my best friend and find out about my lawyer file but he do cuz he's thinking about having his own legal case against he's asked me for advice on stuff so yeah long story short Mike sposa Joe best is that's a wrap