NinaAndRanda: Veganism Needs Ugly People, Not Idiots.
02 November 2016 [link youtube]
Vegan / Vegans / Veganism / Ecology / Animal Rights / Activism
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there is a lot of trolling on the
Internet there's so much trolling that I think many of you expected me to come up with an apology video the next day after my video that mentions the name of Nina Aranda saying hey guys don't take it too seriously just joking around I'm trolling here's my apology and the truth is the exact opposite that video expresses really sincere concerns in my part I'm sincerely concerned that a whole bunch of prominent figures in veganism as a political movement are leading the movement in a bad direction I'm sincerely concerned not just about bikini models I'm concerned about people who publish books people are university professors people who are lawyers people were leaders of activist groups involved in street activism I'm sincerely concerned that a lot of those people are idiots and my concerns are based on the books they publish based on the articles they've written and in many cases based on YouTube videos YouTube videos that are lectures or what-have-you and yes people like Nina and Randa are one small part of that puzzle in the past pretty closely parallel I had criticisms here of freely because again I was sincerely concerned about the negative influence freely was having on this movement from my perspective negative influence and I want to express those warnings I want to express those concerns because I think they were important and I still do I'm not going to respond to the actual criticism have received because it's too stupid I haven't received a single comment in any format or any forum actually claiming that what Nina and Randa have to say is intelligent not one I've not received a single comment in any format or any forum defending need and Randa doing a paid commercial paid advertisement for Taco Bell and thus endorsing fast food industry meat and dairy industry etc etc within the United States not one I haven't received one message from anyone and this is a contrast to my experience with freely I received one mess from anyone saying look even though Nina and Rand are idiots even though the Taco Bell commercial was wrong even though these other things that you mentioned are a real problem still what Nina and rata have contributed to veganism is so important and so positive that you should see in the balance and that really was with freely that was very often the response of God were people who admitted that my criticism was accurate but he said that nevertheless I should appreciate the positive things that Frehley did and that's an interesting debate to have and I think that debate unfolded on this channel and I think that debate unfolded all over the Internet during the last ten years but you know I can imagine a much more powerful counter-argument to that video and even though nobody gave me this argument I'm now gonna argue against myself so that I just wanted to debate with I think a more powerful counter-argument as this looks shouldn't matter even though they do even though we know that physical beauty matters in this world especially if you're presenting yourself on the Internet in a bikini selling a diet selling a lifestyle in a perfect world someone's physical appearance wouldn't matter so let's behave ourselves on YouTube as if we're living in that perfect world let's respond to that higher aspiration to just address the issues or just address the political concerns and ignore who's ugly who's beautiful and you know what in some context we can do that I think I mean I criticize Gary France aione in that video and I referred to earlier videos where I spoke at more length and more depth vogue Air France II own a have a new video since then talking about the nature of abolitionism and contrast ethical veganism talking about the ideas political philosophical and otherwise and the implications for being this 21st century I talk about all that stuff I don't think I've ever really mentioned that Gary Fran Sione is not very good-looking beauty is in the eye of the beholder I think it'd be fair to say Gary Franchione is ugly so in that context I think we are engaging in a substantive discussion without even mentioning what a person looks like I just ordered on the Internet David Allen Ebert's book anal oppression and human violence I'm gonna do a book review of that I don't know how long I'll take to ship here I have no idea what he looks like I've never seen a photograph the author maybe he's incredibly ugly all the time actually do engage with political and philosophical debates of this kind without mentioning without considering what a person looks like without their their ugliness or beauty being affect all the time however gary france aione has never made a video on youtube comparable to the lik my body challenge the lik my body challenge is more than two million views if you search nina Rande challenge I'm sure it's the first result you're going to get and in that video Nina and red are taking off their clothes and having their boyfriends lick their body that is who they are that is what their fame comes from their beauty their appearance and what other vegans say about their beauty and promoting them and their career that is important it is significant and what I see is people making excuses for them making excuses where they say about politics making excuses what they say about ethical veganism what they say about cruelty-free lifestyle these other foolish things they say on account of their beauty so then the line of argument I'm dealing with really follows be really slowing their allegedly beautiful their allegedly famous because of their beauty because they're vegan and famous and beautiful we ought to support them and support them means overlooking what they're doing that's bad and wrong and idiotic and just stupid leading veganism bad direction in connection to Taco Bell or just in relation to making garbage content on the internet so I think that is a flawed argument physical beauty in some contexts is irrelevant and would make your argument seem ridiculous criticizing Gary frenzy on a for being ugly is not that meaningful compared to the type of criticism I already have of Gary France aione and his approach to being in politics on this channel but on the other hand sometimes it's a little bit relevant sometimes it's very relevant I think there's an open question with a guy like will Tuttle I have a separate video criticizing will Tuttle in the world peace diet and the semi supernatural ideas that are in that book I think there's an open question is will Tuttle just famous because he's handsome why did anyone ever respect this guy or pretend to respect this guy how did he rise to a position of apparent prominence as a leader within veganism and I find it very troubling because his book wouldn't be respected in a Buddhist context and shouldn't be respected in a secular context either it's just a tremendously weak book I think most people haven't read the book I think they have seen his face maybe his beauty maybe his physical appearance maybe Oh answered maybe that is actually you factory of dogma right but definitely in the case of someone like Frehley her prominence her role her claim to fame even her claim to authority her claim to why you should take her opinion about nutrition seriously is utterly utterly based on her physical appearance and I'll tell you something I said years ago Bo freely but I have Smet freely in person I have seen freely face to face in Thailand we didn't talk hahaha you know it's true she has a striking midriff that one part of her body is unusual its striking when you meet her in person and she very often wears clothes that leave her midriff bare um she has a striking midriff I do not think really could have had a career as a runway model I don't think if she walked into a modeling agency as a fitness model or as an aspiring actress or since param I don't think she ever could have had that kind of career life is unfair not a criticism but it's completely true you can meet and talk to people on the internet who really came to trust freely who really came to take her pseudo-scientific medical advice about diet and exercise and lifestyle seriously entirely because of her physical appearance and I can remember freely herself saying many times that her credentials don't come from a university her credentials are her body she has said that I'm only slightly paraphrasing she has said it's my body and it's how effortlessly I maintain this body those are my credentials that's why you should trust me that's why I should take it seriously and in essentially being honest because I think that's true her claim to fame um the reason why she was taken seriously is her body and I think we're now dealing with the legacy of not only terrible health advice terrible health and diet diet advice terrible weight loss advice but terrible political advice because in the last two years last five years freelee and durianrider have been influential politically their model of lifestyle active some their model of promoting a permanent vacation there a model of glorifying a life without responsibilities of self-indulgence of self distraction of self infatuation their idea that what you need to do is get on the internet and show people how happy and healthy and beautiful you are and how vibrant and happy and rewarding the vegan lifestyle is that that's the way forward for veganism it was a tremendously influential political idea and I think within the last one year we've seen that political ideology start to disintegrate we've seen cracks and maybe it still is disintegrating and maybe the prominence of people like Nina Aranda today is a legacy of that paradigm that's now piece by piece falling apart maybe not maybe it's always going to be with us maybe there's always going to be another Frehley and another Nina Randa coming up again and again I don't know I can live with that in closing I just say again I do not offer these critiques for no reason all these people can change I have had vegans thank me for the profound impact my videos had on their lives I've had people thank me because they became vegan because of my videos also people who converted to veganism but most of my impacts on people already were vegan I've had people tell me they decided to go back to school to enroll in college in university directly because the influence of my videos I've had people email me and not just tell me that but ask my opinion on exactly what major they're holding in in college when they decide to go back to college I've had people email me and tell me about how they reorganize their own activism either as an individual or as a group how they really ate it their strategy and tactics short term long term how they're going to make an effective impact in the world um the criticism I engage in on this channel it's not trolling it's also not pointless it has real outcomes in people's lives and even someone has hardened and cynical as freely even someone with such a strong financial incentive to sort of live a lie etc etc even freely can change and in the contrary when you look back at the last two years maybe you have to say it's impossible for freely to stay the same you know we've seen tremendous change in who she is and her practice of preaching veganism people are going to change I don't know if Nina and Rand are going to change most people who are idiots stay idiots because of the choices they make they choose to live like an idiot and it's not a choice they make once they choose day after day they choose again and again and again and you know you can make different choices and most you they don't have to be as dramatic as going back to university you can choose instead of having a reckless lifestyle permanent vacation you can choose to be sincerely engaged with sincerely concerned about political issues poverty whatever the issues are where you are in the world when you buy a plane ticket to Thailand you can go there for reasons more meaningful than riding your bicycle up and down hill every day etc etc watch this channel for a while you've heard these things before and you know what you could respond to that 20-minute video on my channel by deciding that you can do better and I don't mean deciding you can do better in terms of making a hot or not video we're talking about who's sexy and who's ugly that's the last thing I hope that video would inspire you to do you could watch that video inside you know what this guy mazzard he's got a criticism of will Tuttle's world peace diet but I can do better I can read that book I can criticize that book I can have a bunch of fresh insights into vegan activism you could watch my videos about direct action everywhere and make your own video do your own reading to your own research and so you know what I have my own perspective on effective vegan activism or about the essays Wayans young and the right to action everywhere published I have something to contribute this I've just told you I'm ordering now I think my next book review is going to be about animal oppression human violence by David Ellen Ebert do better you know Eclipse me totally leave me in the shade you know what saying and everyone's going to have intellectual respect for you you know what I mean I've said in the past that different people can contribute in different ways some people are going to be makini models some people are going to be health gurus not everyone is going to be sincerely interested engage with political elements of veganism I still say that I still believe that not everyone is going to care about the elements of the struggle I care about and that's fine I accept that but the other hand I said said this before on this channel says again because this is as real as it gets ok there's a difference between becoming a stripper so that you can pay your way through college and dropping out of college in order to become a stripper when I express concern about people who I see on the Internet who just seemed to me complete idiots and to be celebrating that idiocy and I see thousands of other people celebrating that idiocy and the excuses that they're beautiful and my perspective is they're not even beautiful yeah I got something to say about that and you know what I think you know their father who's also a public figure Jeff Nelson I think he should feel deeply ashamed I think he should feel concerned not so much because you're looking at that video the lick my body challenge and isolation not just because the footage of them bikinis is being looked at they're in isolation but because it is part of a package it is part of a parcel of celebrating a meaningless stupid life of self-indulgence and it's a life in which this this kind of idiocy is being treated as if it's intelligent and witty and insightful and positive and good for veganism when it's not and I think that most people stop being idiots when they choose to stop being idiots when they choose they're going to take themselves more seriously and when they choose to take you know social reality real problems in this world more seriously in the same way that most people get engaged with veganism animal rights and ecology when they choose that they want to become good people
Internet there's so much trolling that I think many of you expected me to come up with an apology video the next day after my video that mentions the name of Nina Aranda saying hey guys don't take it too seriously just joking around I'm trolling here's my apology and the truth is the exact opposite that video expresses really sincere concerns in my part I'm sincerely concerned that a whole bunch of prominent figures in veganism as a political movement are leading the movement in a bad direction I'm sincerely concerned not just about bikini models I'm concerned about people who publish books people are university professors people who are lawyers people were leaders of activist groups involved in street activism I'm sincerely concerned that a lot of those people are idiots and my concerns are based on the books they publish based on the articles they've written and in many cases based on YouTube videos YouTube videos that are lectures or what-have-you and yes people like Nina and Randa are one small part of that puzzle in the past pretty closely parallel I had criticisms here of freely because again I was sincerely concerned about the negative influence freely was having on this movement from my perspective negative influence and I want to express those warnings I want to express those concerns because I think they were important and I still do I'm not going to respond to the actual criticism have received because it's too stupid I haven't received a single comment in any format or any forum actually claiming that what Nina and Randa have to say is intelligent not one I've not received a single comment in any format or any forum defending need and Randa doing a paid commercial paid advertisement for Taco Bell and thus endorsing fast food industry meat and dairy industry etc etc within the United States not one I haven't received one message from anyone and this is a contrast to my experience with freely I received one mess from anyone saying look even though Nina and Rand are idiots even though the Taco Bell commercial was wrong even though these other things that you mentioned are a real problem still what Nina and rata have contributed to veganism is so important and so positive that you should see in the balance and that really was with freely that was very often the response of God were people who admitted that my criticism was accurate but he said that nevertheless I should appreciate the positive things that Frehley did and that's an interesting debate to have and I think that debate unfolded on this channel and I think that debate unfolded all over the Internet during the last ten years but you know I can imagine a much more powerful counter-argument to that video and even though nobody gave me this argument I'm now gonna argue against myself so that I just wanted to debate with I think a more powerful counter-argument as this looks shouldn't matter even though they do even though we know that physical beauty matters in this world especially if you're presenting yourself on the Internet in a bikini selling a diet selling a lifestyle in a perfect world someone's physical appearance wouldn't matter so let's behave ourselves on YouTube as if we're living in that perfect world let's respond to that higher aspiration to just address the issues or just address the political concerns and ignore who's ugly who's beautiful and you know what in some context we can do that I think I mean I criticize Gary France aione in that video and I referred to earlier videos where I spoke at more length and more depth vogue Air France II own a have a new video since then talking about the nature of abolitionism and contrast ethical veganism talking about the ideas political philosophical and otherwise and the implications for being this 21st century I talk about all that stuff I don't think I've ever really mentioned that Gary Fran Sione is not very good-looking beauty is in the eye of the beholder I think it'd be fair to say Gary Franchione is ugly so in that context I think we are engaging in a substantive discussion without even mentioning what a person looks like I just ordered on the Internet David Allen Ebert's book anal oppression and human violence I'm gonna do a book review of that I don't know how long I'll take to ship here I have no idea what he looks like I've never seen a photograph the author maybe he's incredibly ugly all the time actually do engage with political and philosophical debates of this kind without mentioning without considering what a person looks like without their their ugliness or beauty being affect all the time however gary france aione has never made a video on youtube comparable to the lik my body challenge the lik my body challenge is more than two million views if you search nina Rande challenge I'm sure it's the first result you're going to get and in that video Nina and red are taking off their clothes and having their boyfriends lick their body that is who they are that is what their fame comes from their beauty their appearance and what other vegans say about their beauty and promoting them and their career that is important it is significant and what I see is people making excuses for them making excuses where they say about politics making excuses what they say about ethical veganism what they say about cruelty-free lifestyle these other foolish things they say on account of their beauty so then the line of argument I'm dealing with really follows be really slowing their allegedly beautiful their allegedly famous because of their beauty because they're vegan and famous and beautiful we ought to support them and support them means overlooking what they're doing that's bad and wrong and idiotic and just stupid leading veganism bad direction in connection to Taco Bell or just in relation to making garbage content on the internet so I think that is a flawed argument physical beauty in some contexts is irrelevant and would make your argument seem ridiculous criticizing Gary frenzy on a for being ugly is not that meaningful compared to the type of criticism I already have of Gary France aione and his approach to being in politics on this channel but on the other hand sometimes it's a little bit relevant sometimes it's very relevant I think there's an open question with a guy like will Tuttle I have a separate video criticizing will Tuttle in the world peace diet and the semi supernatural ideas that are in that book I think there's an open question is will Tuttle just famous because he's handsome why did anyone ever respect this guy or pretend to respect this guy how did he rise to a position of apparent prominence as a leader within veganism and I find it very troubling because his book wouldn't be respected in a Buddhist context and shouldn't be respected in a secular context either it's just a tremendously weak book I think most people haven't read the book I think they have seen his face maybe his beauty maybe his physical appearance maybe Oh answered maybe that is actually you factory of dogma right but definitely in the case of someone like Frehley her prominence her role her claim to fame even her claim to authority her claim to why you should take her opinion about nutrition seriously is utterly utterly based on her physical appearance and I'll tell you something I said years ago Bo freely but I have Smet freely in person I have seen freely face to face in Thailand we didn't talk hahaha you know it's true she has a striking midriff that one part of her body is unusual its striking when you meet her in person and she very often wears clothes that leave her midriff bare um she has a striking midriff I do not think really could have had a career as a runway model I don't think if she walked into a modeling agency as a fitness model or as an aspiring actress or since param I don't think she ever could have had that kind of career life is unfair not a criticism but it's completely true you can meet and talk to people on the internet who really came to trust freely who really came to take her pseudo-scientific medical advice about diet and exercise and lifestyle seriously entirely because of her physical appearance and I can remember freely herself saying many times that her credentials don't come from a university her credentials are her body she has said that I'm only slightly paraphrasing she has said it's my body and it's how effortlessly I maintain this body those are my credentials that's why you should trust me that's why I should take it seriously and in essentially being honest because I think that's true her claim to fame um the reason why she was taken seriously is her body and I think we're now dealing with the legacy of not only terrible health advice terrible health and diet diet advice terrible weight loss advice but terrible political advice because in the last two years last five years freelee and durianrider have been influential politically their model of lifestyle active some their model of promoting a permanent vacation there a model of glorifying a life without responsibilities of self-indulgence of self distraction of self infatuation their idea that what you need to do is get on the internet and show people how happy and healthy and beautiful you are and how vibrant and happy and rewarding the vegan lifestyle is that that's the way forward for veganism it was a tremendously influential political idea and I think within the last one year we've seen that political ideology start to disintegrate we've seen cracks and maybe it still is disintegrating and maybe the prominence of people like Nina Aranda today is a legacy of that paradigm that's now piece by piece falling apart maybe not maybe it's always going to be with us maybe there's always going to be another Frehley and another Nina Randa coming up again and again I don't know I can live with that in closing I just say again I do not offer these critiques for no reason all these people can change I have had vegans thank me for the profound impact my videos had on their lives I've had people thank me because they became vegan because of my videos also people who converted to veganism but most of my impacts on people already were vegan I've had people tell me they decided to go back to school to enroll in college in university directly because the influence of my videos I've had people email me and not just tell me that but ask my opinion on exactly what major they're holding in in college when they decide to go back to college I've had people email me and tell me about how they reorganize their own activism either as an individual or as a group how they really ate it their strategy and tactics short term long term how they're going to make an effective impact in the world um the criticism I engage in on this channel it's not trolling it's also not pointless it has real outcomes in people's lives and even someone has hardened and cynical as freely even someone with such a strong financial incentive to sort of live a lie etc etc even freely can change and in the contrary when you look back at the last two years maybe you have to say it's impossible for freely to stay the same you know we've seen tremendous change in who she is and her practice of preaching veganism people are going to change I don't know if Nina and Rand are going to change most people who are idiots stay idiots because of the choices they make they choose to live like an idiot and it's not a choice they make once they choose day after day they choose again and again and again and you know you can make different choices and most you they don't have to be as dramatic as going back to university you can choose instead of having a reckless lifestyle permanent vacation you can choose to be sincerely engaged with sincerely concerned about political issues poverty whatever the issues are where you are in the world when you buy a plane ticket to Thailand you can go there for reasons more meaningful than riding your bicycle up and down hill every day etc etc watch this channel for a while you've heard these things before and you know what you could respond to that 20-minute video on my channel by deciding that you can do better and I don't mean deciding you can do better in terms of making a hot or not video we're talking about who's sexy and who's ugly that's the last thing I hope that video would inspire you to do you could watch that video inside you know what this guy mazzard he's got a criticism of will Tuttle's world peace diet but I can do better I can read that book I can criticize that book I can have a bunch of fresh insights into vegan activism you could watch my videos about direct action everywhere and make your own video do your own reading to your own research and so you know what I have my own perspective on effective vegan activism or about the essays Wayans young and the right to action everywhere published I have something to contribute this I've just told you I'm ordering now I think my next book review is going to be about animal oppression human violence by David Ellen Ebert do better you know Eclipse me totally leave me in the shade you know what saying and everyone's going to have intellectual respect for you you know what I mean I've said in the past that different people can contribute in different ways some people are going to be makini models some people are going to be health gurus not everyone is going to be sincerely interested engage with political elements of veganism I still say that I still believe that not everyone is going to care about the elements of the struggle I care about and that's fine I accept that but the other hand I said said this before on this channel says again because this is as real as it gets ok there's a difference between becoming a stripper so that you can pay your way through college and dropping out of college in order to become a stripper when I express concern about people who I see on the Internet who just seemed to me complete idiots and to be celebrating that idiocy and I see thousands of other people celebrating that idiocy and the excuses that they're beautiful and my perspective is they're not even beautiful yeah I got something to say about that and you know what I think you know their father who's also a public figure Jeff Nelson I think he should feel deeply ashamed I think he should feel concerned not so much because you're looking at that video the lick my body challenge and isolation not just because the footage of them bikinis is being looked at they're in isolation but because it is part of a package it is part of a parcel of celebrating a meaningless stupid life of self-indulgence and it's a life in which this this kind of idiocy is being treated as if it's intelligent and witty and insightful and positive and good for veganism when it's not and I think that most people stop being idiots when they choose to stop being idiots when they choose they're going to take themselves more seriously and when they choose to take you know social reality real problems in this world more seriously in the same way that most people get engaged with veganism animal rights and ecology when they choose that they want to become good people