Stop castrating dogs and cats, stop making excuses for it.
29 June 2016 [link youtube]
Because, like, it's really a big deal for a vegan to be morally opposed to the domestication of animals in 2016. :-/
If you look carefully in the background, you can figure out that this was filmed on a laundry day. ;-)
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a short video that's actually short for a change um you know this is continued controversy about what I have to say about the domestication of animals and what the implications are for what you should actually do with pets that you own what I said recently in disclaiming that I did not feel that my critics were worth addressing was very specific people have overlooked what I what I actually said which was that I did not feel any of those responses addressed by original argument address what I actually had to say and therefore there was no point am I just reiterating am I just repeating what I had already said in earlier videos so again you can go through the past history of this channel and see what I actually had to say what I actually believe on this issue and this continues to be a problem so I mean unnatural vegan presents herself as endlessly erudite but at no stage has she shown any sincere interest in what my position as she was nor did she ask me about I mean if there sites you want me to clarify she could have asked me to clarify but I feel that a natural vegan like many other overly emotional pet owners they simply here this person has dared to criticize the fact that I own a dog or the fact that owned a cat and then emotion overrides reason and they they freaked out basically they're not responding to what I should have said it's just that actually made so me in my recent video on this my most recent video the examples I gave were for instance the difficulty of providing a penguin with an environment in a zoo or in a habitat sorry any species conservation effort trying to provide penguins with habitat that resembles what they would have in the wild it can be very expensive it can be very difficult but my point that's been made consistently through all of my videos is that when we take the wilderness as a criterion for what is adequate for what is moral in providing to an animal that is in our care we come to a completely different set of conclusions about what to do with whether it's dogs cats penguins lions what-have-you now can there's nothing mysterious about it there's nothing hard to understand about it at no point did I say that people who owned again what did I actually say there's example given at length about someone who won't rat and they were rescued rabbits but in thinking about this issue this is someone who understood what I said of thinking about how the rabbits would live in the wild this vegan she adjusted the way she was keeping the rabbits to make it closer to me get the same way that the enclosure for penguins at the zoo is not going to be perfect or if you make an enclosure for polar bears or something questioning how we treat captive animals in general in terms of what would be their natural way of living in the wild and of trying to provide them with a life closer to what they would have in a wild for that viewer of mine that led to you know decisive steps she didn't release her rabbits into actually living in the wild but she took steps to provide them with an environment that was closer that gave them a little bit more of a natural habitat where they could see the Sun and you know dig in the earth and chew on grass or what have you so I mean all of my arguments in this have admitted and have not only means they have emphasized they've drawn attention to the contradictions and complexities and difficulties we get into whether it's keeping Tigers captive or keeping cats and you know it's true on a very fundamental level I reject for it for example the assumption that unnatural vegan presents that we can simply use as a philosophical concept the idea of a good home of providing a good home to a dog or a cat because when she says that she is using a human centered standard so this is speciesism and it's anthropocentrism there are a lot of problems with this what does it mean to provide a good home to a penguin we take as a standard how they would live in the wild and then we see how close we can come to that you know the zoo has a limited budget or if it's a government rescue program these penguins have had to be scooped up because their habitat was destroyed some situation so you're responsible for taking care of a bunch of penguins the fact that you are going to provide them with a good home is not a moral justification for castration it's not a moral justification for training them for domesticating them to live on your couch as your companion as your as your pet as your entertainment none of that is morally justified by the act of rescue so my ethical and pragmatic approach to this is fundamentally different from other vegans so yes to me it is it is stupid to hear someone who is a vegan justify whether it's buying food buying dead cows to feed to a cat and I talked about that at length or if they justify the domestication itself because this animal was acquired through rescue so I said if you are in the position of rescuing a bunch of penguins how is that justified how are you going to treat them for one thing you have to take their life in the wild as a criterion try to provide something resembling that and of course secondly it's justified because you're trying to preserve the species you're trying to eventually reintroduce them into into wilderness into wild habitat and that's the difference between a legitimate rescue of penguins and a zoo or a circus or someone who owns animals for their own pleasure as so-called companion animals okay so the place I did present a nuanced argument I think it is either insincere or inept for a natural vegan to pretend that I was recommending people simply take house cats and introduce them into the wild immediately I don't even recommend that about penguins if you recommend that about Tigers all of the examples I use discussed at length this adds up to many many minutes now you know presents a nuanced view of the world but the sense in which it's not nuanced is that yes I am willing to look at the status of a dog in the wild whether it's a feral dog or a genuinely wild dog a dog that's never been domesticated in its history and say look that is how this animal lives in nature and we are depriving it of its dignity we are depriving of its freedom if we castrate it train it break it make it into a servant to human beings make it into entertainment for human beings I don't know the same vegans who will say it's immoral to ride a horse for some reason do not see it as being immoral to really harm a cat or a dog to try to turn it into a toy and a plaything that lies on your couch while you watch TV or that entertains your children all right that's not what a cat wants to be is and what a dog wants to be that dog wanted to have its own sex life have its own children it wanted to explore the wilderness hunt etc now can you provide that probably not can you provide it for a lion or penguin but yeah ethically this is a completely different paradigm I'm looking forward to the future of vegans we're talking about what 200 year transition we're not talking about overnight this kind of change I mean it seems to be completely insincere for a natural vegan to question well how are people taking my advice onboard I've already talked about that I already talked about one viewer who looked at and correctly understood the analysis that I set out and who looked at her own rabbits and thought how can I provide some kind of habitat some kind of experience that resembles nature a little bit and yes exposing animals to natural habitat exposes them to risk expose them to risk of disease Amino if a cat is killing and eating rats the cat can get all kinds of illnesses that it wouldn't get from eating a completely antiseptic and hygienic factory produced food product you know what yes it's true you're you're exposed into the risk of predation of predators killing them of disease and what-have-you but you're also giving them a shot at having a life that has a shred of dignity because it has a shred of a resemblance to what they would be in the wilderness so this began with long before it's augment unnatural vegan I was talking about the fact that vegans had tried to make a symbol out of piglets the cute piglet and arguing look you can take a pig you can chop its balls off you can castrate it domesticate it train it you can force a pig to become a cute plaything for human beings and what I was saying was no for me domestication of animals is exploitation of animals this is something I regard as immoral this is something I regard as psychological and healthy even if you say you love the pig and I feel that many vegans are in denial about the reality of how a pig lives in the wild of what the natural relationship is between a human being and a wild boar when you meet a wild boar or a feral pig in the jungle okay said this before feral pigs eat kill and eat large mammals a wild boar will gladly kill and eat a wild deer put it into Google Image Search you're gonna see a ton of images of wild boars killing and eating deer it is shocking it is studying because we think of pigs as cute as harmless as domesticated whether it's on farms or in your living room but I'm telling you that is not what a pig is whether it's a pig or a penguin we have to be willing to start with the criterion of the wild the status of the animal the wilderness and then think through in the future what's our role as human beings in managing these animals the reality is Canada is an enormous country with huge amounts of empty open space but still even for polar bears wild polar bears human beings are very actively involved in managing them and trying to make sure they don't starve to death looking at their distribution looking at the distribution of the prey they rely on trying to manage climate change the reality is wild animals in the 21st century all are indirectly impacted by human beings including wildlife management okay I accept that I'm completely cognizant of that right so I mean the question of in the next 200 years how is the relationship between a human being and and a dog or a cat and a change this is an issue I'm sincerely engaged with as a vegan and the question of how our relationship with bears and tigers and lions is going to change is also one I'm really concerned about I do not feel the two hundred years from now in the future we should have zoos or circuses okay I also do not feel that we should be castrating dogs to turn them into toys and playthings I don't think we should be training dogs to live a life that is completely unnatural for them so they can provide so-called companionship for us or so that we can experience love where they can experience our love No that to me is unnatural and maybe that's suitable enough because her name is after all a natural vegan
a short video that's actually short for a change um you know this is continued controversy about what I have to say about the domestication of animals and what the implications are for what you should actually do with pets that you own what I said recently in disclaiming that I did not feel that my critics were worth addressing was very specific people have overlooked what I what I actually said which was that I did not feel any of those responses addressed by original argument address what I actually had to say and therefore there was no point am I just reiterating am I just repeating what I had already said in earlier videos so again you can go through the past history of this channel and see what I actually had to say what I actually believe on this issue and this continues to be a problem so I mean unnatural vegan presents herself as endlessly erudite but at no stage has she shown any sincere interest in what my position as she was nor did she ask me about I mean if there sites you want me to clarify she could have asked me to clarify but I feel that a natural vegan like many other overly emotional pet owners they simply here this person has dared to criticize the fact that I own a dog or the fact that owned a cat and then emotion overrides reason and they they freaked out basically they're not responding to what I should have said it's just that actually made so me in my recent video on this my most recent video the examples I gave were for instance the difficulty of providing a penguin with an environment in a zoo or in a habitat sorry any species conservation effort trying to provide penguins with habitat that resembles what they would have in the wild it can be very expensive it can be very difficult but my point that's been made consistently through all of my videos is that when we take the wilderness as a criterion for what is adequate for what is moral in providing to an animal that is in our care we come to a completely different set of conclusions about what to do with whether it's dogs cats penguins lions what-have-you now can there's nothing mysterious about it there's nothing hard to understand about it at no point did I say that people who owned again what did I actually say there's example given at length about someone who won't rat and they were rescued rabbits but in thinking about this issue this is someone who understood what I said of thinking about how the rabbits would live in the wild this vegan she adjusted the way she was keeping the rabbits to make it closer to me get the same way that the enclosure for penguins at the zoo is not going to be perfect or if you make an enclosure for polar bears or something questioning how we treat captive animals in general in terms of what would be their natural way of living in the wild and of trying to provide them with a life closer to what they would have in a wild for that viewer of mine that led to you know decisive steps she didn't release her rabbits into actually living in the wild but she took steps to provide them with an environment that was closer that gave them a little bit more of a natural habitat where they could see the Sun and you know dig in the earth and chew on grass or what have you so I mean all of my arguments in this have admitted and have not only means they have emphasized they've drawn attention to the contradictions and complexities and difficulties we get into whether it's keeping Tigers captive or keeping cats and you know it's true on a very fundamental level I reject for it for example the assumption that unnatural vegan presents that we can simply use as a philosophical concept the idea of a good home of providing a good home to a dog or a cat because when she says that she is using a human centered standard so this is speciesism and it's anthropocentrism there are a lot of problems with this what does it mean to provide a good home to a penguin we take as a standard how they would live in the wild and then we see how close we can come to that you know the zoo has a limited budget or if it's a government rescue program these penguins have had to be scooped up because their habitat was destroyed some situation so you're responsible for taking care of a bunch of penguins the fact that you are going to provide them with a good home is not a moral justification for castration it's not a moral justification for training them for domesticating them to live on your couch as your companion as your as your pet as your entertainment none of that is morally justified by the act of rescue so my ethical and pragmatic approach to this is fundamentally different from other vegans so yes to me it is it is stupid to hear someone who is a vegan justify whether it's buying food buying dead cows to feed to a cat and I talked about that at length or if they justify the domestication itself because this animal was acquired through rescue so I said if you are in the position of rescuing a bunch of penguins how is that justified how are you going to treat them for one thing you have to take their life in the wild as a criterion try to provide something resembling that and of course secondly it's justified because you're trying to preserve the species you're trying to eventually reintroduce them into into wilderness into wild habitat and that's the difference between a legitimate rescue of penguins and a zoo or a circus or someone who owns animals for their own pleasure as so-called companion animals okay so the place I did present a nuanced argument I think it is either insincere or inept for a natural vegan to pretend that I was recommending people simply take house cats and introduce them into the wild immediately I don't even recommend that about penguins if you recommend that about Tigers all of the examples I use discussed at length this adds up to many many minutes now you know presents a nuanced view of the world but the sense in which it's not nuanced is that yes I am willing to look at the status of a dog in the wild whether it's a feral dog or a genuinely wild dog a dog that's never been domesticated in its history and say look that is how this animal lives in nature and we are depriving it of its dignity we are depriving of its freedom if we castrate it train it break it make it into a servant to human beings make it into entertainment for human beings I don't know the same vegans who will say it's immoral to ride a horse for some reason do not see it as being immoral to really harm a cat or a dog to try to turn it into a toy and a plaything that lies on your couch while you watch TV or that entertains your children all right that's not what a cat wants to be is and what a dog wants to be that dog wanted to have its own sex life have its own children it wanted to explore the wilderness hunt etc now can you provide that probably not can you provide it for a lion or penguin but yeah ethically this is a completely different paradigm I'm looking forward to the future of vegans we're talking about what 200 year transition we're not talking about overnight this kind of change I mean it seems to be completely insincere for a natural vegan to question well how are people taking my advice onboard I've already talked about that I already talked about one viewer who looked at and correctly understood the analysis that I set out and who looked at her own rabbits and thought how can I provide some kind of habitat some kind of experience that resembles nature a little bit and yes exposing animals to natural habitat exposes them to risk expose them to risk of disease Amino if a cat is killing and eating rats the cat can get all kinds of illnesses that it wouldn't get from eating a completely antiseptic and hygienic factory produced food product you know what yes it's true you're you're exposed into the risk of predation of predators killing them of disease and what-have-you but you're also giving them a shot at having a life that has a shred of dignity because it has a shred of a resemblance to what they would be in the wilderness so this began with long before it's augment unnatural vegan I was talking about the fact that vegans had tried to make a symbol out of piglets the cute piglet and arguing look you can take a pig you can chop its balls off you can castrate it domesticate it train it you can force a pig to become a cute plaything for human beings and what I was saying was no for me domestication of animals is exploitation of animals this is something I regard as immoral this is something I regard as psychological and healthy even if you say you love the pig and I feel that many vegans are in denial about the reality of how a pig lives in the wild of what the natural relationship is between a human being and a wild boar when you meet a wild boar or a feral pig in the jungle okay said this before feral pigs eat kill and eat large mammals a wild boar will gladly kill and eat a wild deer put it into Google Image Search you're gonna see a ton of images of wild boars killing and eating deer it is shocking it is studying because we think of pigs as cute as harmless as domesticated whether it's on farms or in your living room but I'm telling you that is not what a pig is whether it's a pig or a penguin we have to be willing to start with the criterion of the wild the status of the animal the wilderness and then think through in the future what's our role as human beings in managing these animals the reality is Canada is an enormous country with huge amounts of empty open space but still even for polar bears wild polar bears human beings are very actively involved in managing them and trying to make sure they don't starve to death looking at their distribution looking at the distribution of the prey they rely on trying to manage climate change the reality is wild animals in the 21st century all are indirectly impacted by human beings including wildlife management okay I accept that I'm completely cognizant of that right so I mean the question of in the next 200 years how is the relationship between a human being and and a dog or a cat and a change this is an issue I'm sincerely engaged with as a vegan and the question of how our relationship with bears and tigers and lions is going to change is also one I'm really concerned about I do not feel the two hundred years from now in the future we should have zoos or circuses okay I also do not feel that we should be castrating dogs to turn them into toys and playthings I don't think we should be training dogs to live a life that is completely unnatural for them so they can provide so-called companionship for us or so that we can experience love where they can experience our love No that to me is unnatural and maybe that's suitable enough because her name is after all a natural vegan