Vegans: A Conspiracy for Social Change?

that's uh you know the veganism um in a
lot of ways attract some of the most you know deranged and you know lost people in society you don't eat enough I feel like even for me and we said this in the last video you know I was looking at the time that I found you know youtube and veganism on youtube I was looking for something something bigger a higher power something to be a part of you know and I might be one of the most lost souls on the YouTube here I mean I think activism in that traditional sense of you know holding rallies and stuff I just don't I don't know if it fits in the world we live in today you know there's just too much going on um it's ooh be so hard to get that kind of the right media coverage for something like that um it seems like a waste of time not only that the people that are willing to go out and do that I'm gonna venture off to say that a lot of them are wack jobs you know like the guy that doesn't believe in prison or the you know organizers for direct action everywhere you know there's it's kind of there's no difference there yeah I could be a complete idiot for saying this and this is just a thought but maybe promoting veganism should be thought of less as activism and more as lifestyle consumerism I'm trying to kind of just be realistic with the world that we live in um you know would it be useful to try to have real political influence whether it's getting tax breaks you know pass for vegan products or trying to you know raise taxes for um you know companies that are producing non vegan products and stuff I mean I think you know those just two quick examples yeah maybe that's effective you gotta have the right people to do it I'm going to venture off to say that the majority of us is vegans but also but also but also the question is when right like the type of change talking about let you know Israel is supposedly at seven percent seven percent vegan but yeah it is to go from zero to seven and one generation is a huge change right so i don't know maybe they'll reach ten percent okay when you're ten percent of the population maybe then you can bring about some of those changes but like most countries in the world were nowhere near so that's also a question is like the tactics change in the priorities change as you change as the people you know the constituency you've got changes and you know and also hopefully the percentage of vegans who are whack jobs as you say to use your term whack job hopefully that declines just because you're growing and you're getting more people committed who are at least normal people maybe maybe wonderful people or what have you I'm gonna mention something out of political history here that's that to me is interesting like nobody knows this this is not a well-known thing from political science um before Cole marks became famous the key at a time in his life where he was not yet famous there was another guy who used the word communist and like if he had remained famous like if Karl Marx had died or just didn't get famous then like history would have gone in a different direction and so hit this other guy's name was Louis Auguste Blanc II and his followers were called Blanc East's so and they did use they call themselves communists but today again communism completely changed when Karl Marx got famous because he became the most famous guy in that but actually there was a time when Karl Marx referred to these other people the followers of Louie donkey and he said oh no they're the real Communists and like what Marx was doing was just academic but monkey this is why I mentioned him his fundamental difference from Karl Marx and most of the left-wing people at that time was that he said no no this stuff with a protest this stuff with like marching in the streets this is horseshit it's [ __ ] and it gets everyone put in prison it accomplishes nothing you know like maybe you ruin like you wreck some public property or something you get you get covered in the newspapers for one day and then you will go to jail and nothing changes his model of social action this is the term he used so you can see the seal this is popular for a short time a button what he said was no no no if you want social change the best method of organization is conspiracy and it's a theory that is so brilliantly beautifully horrendously believable and it's like look like in our own times who has changed history more the people who did the street protests for um occupy wall street or the conspiracy who killed JFK whoever you imagine doesn't matter different people put the other but there was a conspiracy involved various people involve the CIA or whatever doesn't matter whatever conspiracy we mentioned the tragic thing about history is that most of the time in any century you can see that changes brought about by conspiracies who do you think changes things more you know like the meat and dairy industry they're organized lobbyists or some vegans having protests so you know the suggestion from Blanc e and this this totally different version of communism he said no no we don't need a bunch of crazy people protesting in the streets we don't need a bunch of violent idiots with guns we need to build a conspiracy of highly educated people who have respectable jobs so someone who's a lawyer and works in the government who just secretly joins our team you know whatever any job the guy who works at the gas station just all kinds of different isolated people who seemingly have nothing in common who live in society who wear a suit and tie go to work every day but they're a member of this conspiracy for change let's say all of history would be different if you know this was what this is what communists had embraced was of you because ultimately what it what it entails is the same way I know why is the oil and gas industry so powerful why is the cigarette industry so powerful why is the against ripple I mean conspiracy he doesn't mean it just in the limited sense of a criminal activity he is talking about a form of of organizing a political movement and I mean the other thing about that is everyone who's a member of the conspiracy gets to live a normal life you know I'm not going to tell you who killed JFK but I'm gonna tell you sling for sure they owned a ranch and a car and they have a wife and a kids if they want them lived a normal life they didn't put their necks on the line they didn't live in a cave well you know like communist revolutionaries like a lot of them literally had to live in a cave in the jungle you know like they didn't live around a campfire they didn't live in poverty they lived completely comfortable bourgeois lives and they changed the history of the world now look this is not about communism I'm not telling five of the barbarism what's interesting me is that veganism it does interest and it does recruit you know respectable professional people know you already see that you don't see it on youtube because those people don't want to ruin their lives by making fools of sodium on YouTube you get to see crazy people like freely you get to see the neo-nazis you get to see all these different extremes it is what it is but they're out there and I know because a lot of them are writing the email so that's also interesting to me is to say look there are alternatives and you know we're not the first generation in history to look around and say hey maybe marching through the streets is not the most effective use of our time especially if you're already an architect you're already a lawyer even if you just have a steady job as a bus driver you know here in Canada bus drivers are paid quite well you know probably your capacity to make a positive difference in the world is not going to be marching on the streets holding signs so yeah those were questions already being asked 200 years ago and we're still asking the day may very well work and I'm going to relate it to what I ended the last conversation we have imagined if the local police department fire department the local hospitals the local doctors the local school teachers imagine it was just some of them were vegan um I think I I don't know I actually really liked what you said there what was his name again the French Louie Augusta blankie blankie is last name yeah yeah yeah I think you can't present ourselves as conspiracist yeah I know I know the word the word conspiracy is frightening for real reason but I think I mean the other sense which I would use it this is not nothing too clunky but i think the other kind of conspiracy we get into in our culture is at any school you go to you know some of the teachers smoke cigarettes yeah but they're trying to hide it they'll never smoke in front of the kids now I don't think there's a law look I don't think the government decreed that I don't think their boss would directly fire them but their boss should probably talk to them like look you can't i understand you haven't quit smoking but you gotta you know you got to go up on the roof or something you have to you know and I've seen that like I've seen that even at schools for adults I was at a school in Germany um you know learning German and the youngest people there were University students the oldest people or whatever 50 was all adult students but still the teachers who smoked you know what would try to hide it I think that's also a kind of conspiracy and I that's you know I hope within my lifetime we start to see that with veganism where it's like oh look you know you still eat need uh okay don't do it in front of the kids you know and like it's shallow and it's deep at the same time because once people recognize that it's wrong it doesn't mean I'm gonna fire you like you know like you smoke cigarettes you're my employee look I'm gonna try to work this out but you and I have to have a common understanding this is something bad this is something unfortunate this is something we as a society are trying to manage in our transition and the transition is you know when you watch [ __ ] Star Trek I don't watched I don't like when you watch Star Wars any of these you know in the future nobody's smoking cigarettes right yeah it's a really deep assumption even though Star Wars is shallow don't get me wrong but this reflects you know okay we're going through a transitional period we smoked for a couple hundred years we figured out tobacco is bad for us there's some kind of transition and like whatever I mean in the future all this stuff is going to exist in reality right here right yeah yeah yeah buddy you're what you're saying yeah yeah but I mean to me like that analogy nakeds with cigarettes and eat meat future but to me that's another kind of conspiracy we engage it we're just like look we all admit this is wrong we all admit this is a problem so now how can we do something positive about it and you know it's a kind of conspiracy it's a kind of you know cooperative effort even if it's just you know the different teachers at the school making an excuse well mr. Schuester goes down the hallway and smoke some fire escape it's a conspiracy of sorts