Q&A2 (Part 5) Killing Cows to Feed Cats (Again!)
25 June 2016 [link youtube]
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okay for this installment of the QA
let's try to make a short video that is actually short I had questions from several people including some new members who joined after the Q&A started wanting me to address pet ownership further I do actually feel that my videos on this are already exhaustive and clear enough and I don't really want to say anything further about it those of you who have written to disagree with me do I respect your opinions do I find them valid or intelligent or well informed or interesting no I think the responses to what I have said of pet ownership have been astoundingly stupid counterproductive people in indulging in self-delusion and they've avoided addressing any of the points I raised in my video so why should I respond to what you have to say you've completely avoided dealing with a very real moral problems I've presented to you okay what how do you justify buying a dead cow chopped up and put in a can and feeding it to your cat if you're a vegan what why not just admit you can't justify it why not admits a problem in a contradiction we can move forward if you can admit that but if you can't I mean I described at length an earlier video the quandary of a vegan a hypothetical vegan who has in two separate rooms of his house pet cats and pet rats every so often he kills some of the rats and feeds them to the cat horrifying terrible I'm unforgivable okay so why is it not horrifying and unforgivable when he goes out and buys a dead animal in a can to feed it to another day another animal this is speciesism what we're all supposed to be opposed to but in fact all vegans indulge in at great length alright now I've said a million times real life is full of contradictions and nuance and complications in real life you know if you rescue an endangered tiger and you're going to keep it in captivity what even if you're planning to reintroduce it to the wild as soon as you can every day you've got that tiger in captivity you're probably killing cows and lambs nothing's to keep that tiger alive life is not perfect but maybe you personally have to make the hard decision to try to keep that tiger alive killing other animals to do it it's it's a moral quandary it's a moral contradiction but in that case you're doing it in order to prevent an endangered species from going extinct and you're doing it hopefully to try to reintroduce that Tiger into the wild not to keep it in a zoo forever or not to keep it in a in a circus not to keep it as entertainment or a pet so the justification for that if if the cat is just to be a pet just to make you happy just so your kids can play with it just so it can decorate your couch this becomes immoral again in many of the same ways that keeping zoo animals is immoral but oh no this is unthinkable to compare keeping pets in your personal menagerie in your house for your entertainment to think that this is any way comparable to a zoo whoo oh no no oh no no and yes we've had such incredibly intelligent responses saying oh no it's different because I love them yes well you certainly convinced me if you found the paradigm I presented of the vegan who owns pet rats as well as pet cats if you found that horrifying why would it be more or less horrifying if I as a vegan let's say inside my house have 40 cats have rescued 40 cats from the streets but those 40 cats eat a lot of meat so in the backyard I keep lambs I keep pet sheep and once a week I got to go out and kill one of the Sheep chop it up into pieces and feed it the cats how does it sound to you vegan sounds like speciesism to me sounds like you've decided the lives of those cats justify killing killing those sheep why not do the opposite why not kill the cats and let the Sheep live long natural healthy lives why what's the justification you love them you love the cats and you don't love the Sheep you love the cats you don't love the cows and again if you take a step back this is the same issue we deal with with meat eaters all the time so how is it different if I owned the Sheep and I killed them myself or if I'm going to the pet food store and I'm buying a metal can where someone else has already killed a lamb and put it in a can for the cats to eat whether it's a lamb or a cow what have you all right I mean you know it's kid stuff no I don't respect everyone's opinion equally I have not heard any intelligent response to this I have heard response to this issue that are so stupid and so self-indulgent as to be absurd and as a saint not a few people actually respect or respond to the points I made so I really see no reason to responsibles you may which I do sincerely regard as too stupid to take seriously okay so what is the mature attitude to take towards these things as I've said in many many videos it's just to admit there are some problems we can't solve overnight whether we're talking about you know vivisection you know scientific research exploiting animals or you know there are there are all kinds of nasty horrible gray areas and vegans were killing insects in order to raise fruit killing animals in order to raise true because you got to kill mammals a lot of time on a farm had actually had one intelligent comment in the Q&A but it wasn't really a question but a guy talked about his own experience working on an organic farm and you know guess what you kill animals if not every day certainly every week you're killing mammals as well as killing insects the whole process of farming yeah okay there are contradictions veganism is not some perfect mathematical formula where you manage to do zero harm and achieve a perfect spiritual good it's not veganism is you know as messy and internally contradictory as anything else that involves ethics ecology agriculture social change life is not perfect and of course they're all the other connotations too they're all all the time I get questions you know people want to ask me about the ethics of how clothing factories are pretty fine good question but it's not veganism you know you want to talk about war great but it's not fitting to them so if veganism doesn't solve all problems and you shouldn't hold up veganism next to a perfect or ideal standard the other point is the fact that there are no perfect solutions doesn't mean there are no solutions doesn't mean there's nothing you can do doesn't mean you're disempowered by this discourse you can feel empowered by recognizing the contradictions and embracing imperfect solutions for imperfect and messy problems so one of my fans here I think she's no longer with us I think she's quit the patreon but one of my fans on patreon wrote me that she was really inspired by what I had to say about pet ownership and she looked at her own situation with her pet rabbits so these were rabbits that were rescued not bought but she did acquire the rabbits in order to entertain her children so you know they were rescued but again ultimately like zoo animals are like circus animals these animals are being kept alive you know to entertain human beings as accoutrement for um you know a bourgeois a human lifestyle they're not they're not being reintroduced into the wild they're not being you know they don't exist to have their own children to live their own lives to you know pray and be preyed upon you know they are being kept they are being domesticated for our entertainment so we can a quote love unquote them uh-huh but she had followed up two before she saw my video she had followed the advice of vets who told her that the the rabbit should I should kept entirely indoors their whole lives and the vets have the reasons for that if the rabbits are outdoors they may be preyed upon you know a bird a bird of prey can come down and kill them a fox or a badger or I think even a raccoon can come in and kill a rabbit if it's in your backyard if it's outdoors and I think there are some other reasons some of the diseases they can get from going out freely and and eating eating wild grass with it okay so you know there's a rationale there for why that would say that but this fan of mine she watched my videos and she thought about it and the basic point I made you know like about penguins yeah life is full of contradictions sometimes for various reasons you end up having to keep Penguins in captivity to prevent them from going extinct or to try to keep them temporarily until they can be reduced reintroduced into the wild there's been a disaster you know an oil tanker has covered their habitat with oil and we've got to keep them in captivity until they can go back to living in the ocean all kinds of reasons but what do you do with those penguins you don't chop their balls off and try to turn them into house pets you don't try to turn them into zoo creatures or entertainment or circus performers you don't try to domesticate them until they're cute and lovable and sit on your couch patiently while you watch TV try to make them entertainment you try to keep them in a habitat that is as close as possible to what their conditions in the wild would be which can be extremely expensive and extremely difficult to provide an artificial habitat for for penguins very very difficult so you know this fan of mine looking at her own rabbits these rabbits had lived their whole lives on a concrete floor they'd never had the experience of digging in the soft earth they never looked up and seen a blue sky over their heads terribly sad so she did what she could she actually went out and bought a hush you know a small wooden house a miniaturized for these rabbits put it in her backyard and she changed these rabbits lives by letting them roam freely around the backyard during the day and at night she puts them in the hutch and she's you know she could see the rabbit all their behavior was totally transformed for the first time they got to indulge in some of their wild behaviors not all but they were in a context that was closer to their natural wild environment they got to dig in the earth they got to dig burrows they got to eat grass they got to nibble on dandelions and yes you know what it's possible that instead of living for a greater number of years on a concrete floor and never experiencing those things it's possible that one of these days a falcon will swoop down and kill the rabbits it's possible that some other predator is gonna kill them as possible their life will be cut short but you know what death is a part of life and I don't know how vegans can lack a mature attitude towards that yeah you know what animals in the wild live for a shorter time than they do in captivity if you think that's a justification for captivity I think you're not vegan honestly if you think that through I mean you know yes you know what every lion that exists in the wild today could live a longer life if we destroyed their life in the wild took them out of their natural habitat domesticated them yeah you know what every lion in Africa could be removed from the wild and put into a zoo or another man-made situation investigating could be trained and could be castrated and could be fed dead cows out of a meadow can we do that with every line in the world and we live a longer healthier life and some of you would even say would lead a happier life and would have owners who love them those those lions would feel loved by human beings you think really if you if you subscribe to that paradigm I don't I don't think you are vegan I think you haven't thought through the implications what veganism really means and as I say for me the moral baseline for veganism is not domesticated animals its wilderness it's looking at how animals live in the wild whether that's a wild chicken sowing many of you have never seen how chickens actually behave in the jungle or a wild boar not a you know Pig that's it and again look I don't respect everyone's opinion s equally valid a bunch of people wrote in to be claiming that that pigs domesticated pigs are incapable of reverting to their feral behaviors you didn't Google even what I mentioned in the earth your videos we joking Google feral pigs a matter of weeks pigs that escaped from farms revert to their wild behaviors and they actually recover their their characteristics the well-cared remarkably quickly pigs go feral rapidly dogs all these claims total pseudoscience claiming that dogs have evolved to be human toys and lack the ability to go feral really you never you've never dealt with their I have of delyth feral dogs I google this you think dogs don't go feral in like a couple weeks revert to all their complex social behaviors complex pack behaviors there so look all this I'm sorry I really think that Western University education encourages us to maintain a phony veneer of treating all opinions equally because every undergraduate student and every high school student is supposed to take two weeks read a few little bits of articles put together an essay and then write in a style that pretends the student really has a level of expertise equal to the sources he or she is quoting from western academia gives us a kind of phony egalitarianism of knowledge and knowledge is not equal you know I mean either you know about these things and read about them and are willing to you know in a Socratic sense discuss them openly and see you know the the faults in your own argument and learn new things or you're not and no I I you know this is just not a case I am honestly right now I regret even discussing this in this video because I do think my earlier videos on this subject raised a really important argument and I don't think I've seen even one person respond to the substance that argument in a way that's interesting or merits any further reply or comment on my point and of course for those of you know that includes unnatural vegan I mean obviously I appreciate that a natural vegan has shown me support in my recent dealing with threats of violence defamation with the ridiculous you know catastrophe that went down in Chiangmai but know what she has to say about this topic there is not even one sentence of it that I think merits a serious intellectual introspection reflection or critique to me what's in a stuffing is beneath contempt and it is in a word stupid so question two out of two here again I wanted this video to be short but I'm keeping it real with y'all people are asking my thoughts of a Peter Singer my honest opinion about Peter Singer just like what I've been saying about these alternate views of domestication of animals the the valorisation of the domestication of animals in veganism what Peter Singer has to say is so stupid is so totally beneath contempt that I see nothing in it that's worth talking about or replying to that is how I feel now honestly that's how I've always felt I don't know what set of circumstances led to him being celebrated in the mainstream media as a major voice he's not even really a voice for veganism but for vegetarianism of some sort I you know I'm sorry but I mean neither in his formal writing nor in his informal interviews have I ever heard like one sentence from that guy that I respect or that I find inspiring or that I can take seriously or even that I regard is really worthy of the kind of critique that I've offered to other people on this on this channel I mean like you know as bad as direct action everywhere is because I have several videos critique criticizing direct action everywhere I do recognize the direct action of where our sincere and passionate vegan activists I do recognize that they're offering a model that many people desire ardently that they respond to with passion and so I really felt there was a lot to critique that it was worthwhile to critique direct action everywhere just being real with you I I have never seen anything of that kind of substance from from Peter Singer I got nothing more to say I mean if you're wondering why have I never thought I made a video about Peter Singer I honestly I mean including when you see it in his eyes when he's talking he will face the face in a television interview I just find what he has to say stupid and stupidity is real and again this is the opposite of an academic university program approach were supposed to pretend everyone's opinion is equally valid and equally well informed if we're really being honest then we also we have to be honest about our own feelings they're about our own impressions about our own judgments and you know we we have to be honest about stupidity also so I mean some of the you know some some of the examples you know Peter Singer what he says about disabled babies his kind of whole phony utilitarianism approach to reality I don't talk about any of it I'd rather talk about the philosophy of Arthur Schopenhauer I'd rather talk about Nietzsche or Hegel me Hegel is terrible Hegel is a [ __ ] but at least it's influential on people yeah I don't know we could talk about Karl Marx we talk anything what what Peter Singer has to say is philosophy with adventure stuff honestly sincerely I just think it is so stupid that it does not merit talking about so look guys I'm sorry I I hope you feel I mean my tone of voice here I don't I don't get a kick out of this if you guys didn't ask these questions I wouldn't have answered them I to me there's nothing mean-spirited there's no celebration there's no sense I get nothing out of it let me tell you maybe I'm not even gonna upload this video but um no I mean there are some things I don't want to talk about because I really think they're they're too stupid to be worth discussing
let's try to make a short video that is actually short I had questions from several people including some new members who joined after the Q&A started wanting me to address pet ownership further I do actually feel that my videos on this are already exhaustive and clear enough and I don't really want to say anything further about it those of you who have written to disagree with me do I respect your opinions do I find them valid or intelligent or well informed or interesting no I think the responses to what I have said of pet ownership have been astoundingly stupid counterproductive people in indulging in self-delusion and they've avoided addressing any of the points I raised in my video so why should I respond to what you have to say you've completely avoided dealing with a very real moral problems I've presented to you okay what how do you justify buying a dead cow chopped up and put in a can and feeding it to your cat if you're a vegan what why not just admit you can't justify it why not admits a problem in a contradiction we can move forward if you can admit that but if you can't I mean I described at length an earlier video the quandary of a vegan a hypothetical vegan who has in two separate rooms of his house pet cats and pet rats every so often he kills some of the rats and feeds them to the cat horrifying terrible I'm unforgivable okay so why is it not horrifying and unforgivable when he goes out and buys a dead animal in a can to feed it to another day another animal this is speciesism what we're all supposed to be opposed to but in fact all vegans indulge in at great length alright now I've said a million times real life is full of contradictions and nuance and complications in real life you know if you rescue an endangered tiger and you're going to keep it in captivity what even if you're planning to reintroduce it to the wild as soon as you can every day you've got that tiger in captivity you're probably killing cows and lambs nothing's to keep that tiger alive life is not perfect but maybe you personally have to make the hard decision to try to keep that tiger alive killing other animals to do it it's it's a moral quandary it's a moral contradiction but in that case you're doing it in order to prevent an endangered species from going extinct and you're doing it hopefully to try to reintroduce that Tiger into the wild not to keep it in a zoo forever or not to keep it in a in a circus not to keep it as entertainment or a pet so the justification for that if if the cat is just to be a pet just to make you happy just so your kids can play with it just so it can decorate your couch this becomes immoral again in many of the same ways that keeping zoo animals is immoral but oh no this is unthinkable to compare keeping pets in your personal menagerie in your house for your entertainment to think that this is any way comparable to a zoo whoo oh no no oh no no and yes we've had such incredibly intelligent responses saying oh no it's different because I love them yes well you certainly convinced me if you found the paradigm I presented of the vegan who owns pet rats as well as pet cats if you found that horrifying why would it be more or less horrifying if I as a vegan let's say inside my house have 40 cats have rescued 40 cats from the streets but those 40 cats eat a lot of meat so in the backyard I keep lambs I keep pet sheep and once a week I got to go out and kill one of the Sheep chop it up into pieces and feed it the cats how does it sound to you vegan sounds like speciesism to me sounds like you've decided the lives of those cats justify killing killing those sheep why not do the opposite why not kill the cats and let the Sheep live long natural healthy lives why what's the justification you love them you love the cats and you don't love the Sheep you love the cats you don't love the cows and again if you take a step back this is the same issue we deal with with meat eaters all the time so how is it different if I owned the Sheep and I killed them myself or if I'm going to the pet food store and I'm buying a metal can where someone else has already killed a lamb and put it in a can for the cats to eat whether it's a lamb or a cow what have you all right I mean you know it's kid stuff no I don't respect everyone's opinion equally I have not heard any intelligent response to this I have heard response to this issue that are so stupid and so self-indulgent as to be absurd and as a saint not a few people actually respect or respond to the points I made so I really see no reason to responsibles you may which I do sincerely regard as too stupid to take seriously okay so what is the mature attitude to take towards these things as I've said in many many videos it's just to admit there are some problems we can't solve overnight whether we're talking about you know vivisection you know scientific research exploiting animals or you know there are there are all kinds of nasty horrible gray areas and vegans were killing insects in order to raise fruit killing animals in order to raise true because you got to kill mammals a lot of time on a farm had actually had one intelligent comment in the Q&A but it wasn't really a question but a guy talked about his own experience working on an organic farm and you know guess what you kill animals if not every day certainly every week you're killing mammals as well as killing insects the whole process of farming yeah okay there are contradictions veganism is not some perfect mathematical formula where you manage to do zero harm and achieve a perfect spiritual good it's not veganism is you know as messy and internally contradictory as anything else that involves ethics ecology agriculture social change life is not perfect and of course they're all the other connotations too they're all all the time I get questions you know people want to ask me about the ethics of how clothing factories are pretty fine good question but it's not veganism you know you want to talk about war great but it's not fitting to them so if veganism doesn't solve all problems and you shouldn't hold up veganism next to a perfect or ideal standard the other point is the fact that there are no perfect solutions doesn't mean there are no solutions doesn't mean there's nothing you can do doesn't mean you're disempowered by this discourse you can feel empowered by recognizing the contradictions and embracing imperfect solutions for imperfect and messy problems so one of my fans here I think she's no longer with us I think she's quit the patreon but one of my fans on patreon wrote me that she was really inspired by what I had to say about pet ownership and she looked at her own situation with her pet rabbits so these were rabbits that were rescued not bought but she did acquire the rabbits in order to entertain her children so you know they were rescued but again ultimately like zoo animals are like circus animals these animals are being kept alive you know to entertain human beings as accoutrement for um you know a bourgeois a human lifestyle they're not they're not being reintroduced into the wild they're not being you know they don't exist to have their own children to live their own lives to you know pray and be preyed upon you know they are being kept they are being domesticated for our entertainment so we can a quote love unquote them uh-huh but she had followed up two before she saw my video she had followed the advice of vets who told her that the the rabbit should I should kept entirely indoors their whole lives and the vets have the reasons for that if the rabbits are outdoors they may be preyed upon you know a bird a bird of prey can come down and kill them a fox or a badger or I think even a raccoon can come in and kill a rabbit if it's in your backyard if it's outdoors and I think there are some other reasons some of the diseases they can get from going out freely and and eating eating wild grass with it okay so you know there's a rationale there for why that would say that but this fan of mine she watched my videos and she thought about it and the basic point I made you know like about penguins yeah life is full of contradictions sometimes for various reasons you end up having to keep Penguins in captivity to prevent them from going extinct or to try to keep them temporarily until they can be reduced reintroduced into the wild there's been a disaster you know an oil tanker has covered their habitat with oil and we've got to keep them in captivity until they can go back to living in the ocean all kinds of reasons but what do you do with those penguins you don't chop their balls off and try to turn them into house pets you don't try to turn them into zoo creatures or entertainment or circus performers you don't try to domesticate them until they're cute and lovable and sit on your couch patiently while you watch TV try to make them entertainment you try to keep them in a habitat that is as close as possible to what their conditions in the wild would be which can be extremely expensive and extremely difficult to provide an artificial habitat for for penguins very very difficult so you know this fan of mine looking at her own rabbits these rabbits had lived their whole lives on a concrete floor they'd never had the experience of digging in the soft earth they never looked up and seen a blue sky over their heads terribly sad so she did what she could she actually went out and bought a hush you know a small wooden house a miniaturized for these rabbits put it in her backyard and she changed these rabbits lives by letting them roam freely around the backyard during the day and at night she puts them in the hutch and she's you know she could see the rabbit all their behavior was totally transformed for the first time they got to indulge in some of their wild behaviors not all but they were in a context that was closer to their natural wild environment they got to dig in the earth they got to dig burrows they got to eat grass they got to nibble on dandelions and yes you know what it's possible that instead of living for a greater number of years on a concrete floor and never experiencing those things it's possible that one of these days a falcon will swoop down and kill the rabbits it's possible that some other predator is gonna kill them as possible their life will be cut short but you know what death is a part of life and I don't know how vegans can lack a mature attitude towards that yeah you know what animals in the wild live for a shorter time than they do in captivity if you think that's a justification for captivity I think you're not vegan honestly if you think that through I mean you know yes you know what every lion that exists in the wild today could live a longer life if we destroyed their life in the wild took them out of their natural habitat domesticated them yeah you know what every lion in Africa could be removed from the wild and put into a zoo or another man-made situation investigating could be trained and could be castrated and could be fed dead cows out of a meadow can we do that with every line in the world and we live a longer healthier life and some of you would even say would lead a happier life and would have owners who love them those those lions would feel loved by human beings you think really if you if you subscribe to that paradigm I don't I don't think you are vegan I think you haven't thought through the implications what veganism really means and as I say for me the moral baseline for veganism is not domesticated animals its wilderness it's looking at how animals live in the wild whether that's a wild chicken sowing many of you have never seen how chickens actually behave in the jungle or a wild boar not a you know Pig that's it and again look I don't respect everyone's opinion s equally valid a bunch of people wrote in to be claiming that that pigs domesticated pigs are incapable of reverting to their feral behaviors you didn't Google even what I mentioned in the earth your videos we joking Google feral pigs a matter of weeks pigs that escaped from farms revert to their wild behaviors and they actually recover their their characteristics the well-cared remarkably quickly pigs go feral rapidly dogs all these claims total pseudoscience claiming that dogs have evolved to be human toys and lack the ability to go feral really you never you've never dealt with their I have of delyth feral dogs I google this you think dogs don't go feral in like a couple weeks revert to all their complex social behaviors complex pack behaviors there so look all this I'm sorry I really think that Western University education encourages us to maintain a phony veneer of treating all opinions equally because every undergraduate student and every high school student is supposed to take two weeks read a few little bits of articles put together an essay and then write in a style that pretends the student really has a level of expertise equal to the sources he or she is quoting from western academia gives us a kind of phony egalitarianism of knowledge and knowledge is not equal you know I mean either you know about these things and read about them and are willing to you know in a Socratic sense discuss them openly and see you know the the faults in your own argument and learn new things or you're not and no I I you know this is just not a case I am honestly right now I regret even discussing this in this video because I do think my earlier videos on this subject raised a really important argument and I don't think I've seen even one person respond to the substance that argument in a way that's interesting or merits any further reply or comment on my point and of course for those of you know that includes unnatural vegan I mean obviously I appreciate that a natural vegan has shown me support in my recent dealing with threats of violence defamation with the ridiculous you know catastrophe that went down in Chiangmai but know what she has to say about this topic there is not even one sentence of it that I think merits a serious intellectual introspection reflection or critique to me what's in a stuffing is beneath contempt and it is in a word stupid so question two out of two here again I wanted this video to be short but I'm keeping it real with y'all people are asking my thoughts of a Peter Singer my honest opinion about Peter Singer just like what I've been saying about these alternate views of domestication of animals the the valorisation of the domestication of animals in veganism what Peter Singer has to say is so stupid is so totally beneath contempt that I see nothing in it that's worth talking about or replying to that is how I feel now honestly that's how I've always felt I don't know what set of circumstances led to him being celebrated in the mainstream media as a major voice he's not even really a voice for veganism but for vegetarianism of some sort I you know I'm sorry but I mean neither in his formal writing nor in his informal interviews have I ever heard like one sentence from that guy that I respect or that I find inspiring or that I can take seriously or even that I regard is really worthy of the kind of critique that I've offered to other people on this on this channel I mean like you know as bad as direct action everywhere is because I have several videos critique criticizing direct action everywhere I do recognize the direct action of where our sincere and passionate vegan activists I do recognize that they're offering a model that many people desire ardently that they respond to with passion and so I really felt there was a lot to critique that it was worthwhile to critique direct action everywhere just being real with you I I have never seen anything of that kind of substance from from Peter Singer I got nothing more to say I mean if you're wondering why have I never thought I made a video about Peter Singer I honestly I mean including when you see it in his eyes when he's talking he will face the face in a television interview I just find what he has to say stupid and stupidity is real and again this is the opposite of an academic university program approach were supposed to pretend everyone's opinion is equally valid and equally well informed if we're really being honest then we also we have to be honest about our own feelings they're about our own impressions about our own judgments and you know we we have to be honest about stupidity also so I mean some of the you know some some of the examples you know Peter Singer what he says about disabled babies his kind of whole phony utilitarianism approach to reality I don't talk about any of it I'd rather talk about the philosophy of Arthur Schopenhauer I'd rather talk about Nietzsche or Hegel me Hegel is terrible Hegel is a [ __ ] but at least it's influential on people yeah I don't know we could talk about Karl Marx we talk anything what what Peter Singer has to say is philosophy with adventure stuff honestly sincerely I just think it is so stupid that it does not merit talking about so look guys I'm sorry I I hope you feel I mean my tone of voice here I don't I don't get a kick out of this if you guys didn't ask these questions I wouldn't have answered them I to me there's nothing mean-spirited there's no celebration there's no sense I get nothing out of it let me tell you maybe I'm not even gonna upload this video but um no I mean there are some things I don't want to talk about because I really think they're they're too stupid to be worth discussing