The R Word: Norvegan vs. Me (not Durianrider?)
01 November 2017 [link youtube]
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so I'm starting at the end of the story
here this is an email I received today and this is not the first time that Michael has threatened to make our private email public apparently is going ahead with it and so that is what has forced me to make this video sharing private correspondence with you the audience cuz he's gonna do it anyway and he's made it very clear that he's gonna do this to try to blacken my character or show everyone what a terrible manipulative person I am again it's not as if I'm out here even disputing that I'm a terrible person but go ahead Michael this I'm showing first because it is the reason why I'm sharing correspondence in the rest of this video that otherwise I would have treated as extremely sensitive extremely private and would have taken to my grave with me as a secret fundamentally I mean I feel pity for the guy I feel sorry for the guy I don't really know it again I don't have any inside information about about what his situation is but obviously there's a lot of suffering at his end obviously in terms of sympathy I'd like to think I can imagine how difficult the position he's in really is and how you know he feels he's fighting for his own sense of honor and dignity he's fighting for his girlfriend so a sense of honour day-to-day and you know I mean obviously early on especially when he started lashing out at me I just assumed it was for that reason I just assumed will gut you know this guy's got a lot of pent-up grief and anguish and now he's lashing out at me when obviously there are other people he should be he should be lashing out at but you know be that as it may I don't hate him for that and if you read this correspondence I I think very few people are gonna really have the attention span to read this correspondence I don't find it interesting I think if you read it with any sense of who I am if you're someone who's watched my channel for a while you will realize that on the one hand on being skeptical and reticent because this guy has sent me really conflicting and self contradictory information internally so cluttered what he said to me and what hannah has said to me is self-contradictory it is and secondly you know um I'm just trying to help like I'm just talking this guy's okay what do you want to do like how can I help because basically he turned on me at a point where he stationed this in the earlier video at one point he just started saying to me that I was supporting durianrider story during writers version of events and not Hanna's version and I was I was shocked as how can you having this possibly be true what do you mean and I kind of read through what he said very carefully at that turning point and went back and kind of looked at my video and look at his videos and I said okay so what you mean must be that even though you've stated publicly it's not about rape even though hannah has stated publicly it's not about rape even though I had one Skype conversation with Hannah in which there was absolutely no suggestion whatsoever that rape was any consideration or factors that the r-word came into that rape was not a factor although sex was you know the word sex was used in the report rape wasn't um you know I put the pieces together my sister so it must meet be that what you're insinuating here is that I'm not supporting your version of the story because I'm not reading between the lines that what you really mean is that there was rape even though you've explicitly said publicly that there was no rape and you've said to me in private communication email on this one Skype conversation that there was you know there was there was no way here's the reply from Hannah Chloe you will just note that I have highlighted in yellow there her confirmation that yes she did publicly say that there was no rape quote Heysel thanks to reply I'd like to address a couple of points you made quote you describe the sex is consensual she replies I'm certain I never described what happened in any detail and as I said in my previous email the issue of consent was never addressed well look rape allegations are very very serious obviously she doesn't have to discuss with me I'm not really asking for to discuss it with me in any detail or what-have-you but it's not really a defensible position to say that it's neither rape nor consensual she replies that is not true I have only made one statement publicly since my video that statement said I had not accused him of rape because he had an raped me that is a very important statement and again someone like Noor vegan someone like Michael has to consider seriously the position that puts me in that's her public position on the issue which is not the same thing as saying that I had sex with him I realized that it is just semantics but this is of particular importance to me I would never equate what happened with him as being as he likes to repeat adult consensual sex well you said it's not rape so that it was the position I was put in and anyone following the story as I was putting it so i can to some extent sympathize the position he was in as stated you know i just imagined that being a tremendously stressful i mean he's in a defensive position where for his own honor and his girlfriend's sake of honor and you he probably feels he's working against a huge crowd of very angry during writer supporters you know i'm it's not hard for me to imagine what that's like his his public position but he seems to be incapable of sympathizing with my position this final paragraph is significant in its way because what hannah Chloe is doing here is exactly what Noor vegan refuses to do Nora vegan refuses to ever admit that I'm being reasonable and she says here quote I can understand that having that Skype conversation with me and then seeing that public statement ie her public statement just quoted that there was no rape combined with the innumerable times during writers repeated this story would give you no reason to believe it was anything but consensual again I had spoke to Hannah directly I had no reason to believe it was anything but consensual and Hannah herself acknowledges this at this stage so I don't know wine or vegan finds it in comprehensible nor vegan has declared he's trying to make me seem psychopathic sociopathic narcissistic unreasonable well Hannah could recognize that I was being reasonable that at this point I had no reason to believe it was anything but consensual hand I can recognize that noir vegan can't or chooses not to and thus he creating conflict where there shouldn't be any conflict he's creating drama where there should not be any drama a continuum of quotation I think that a lot of this will be addressed in Michaels video help me to we can prove a lot of what during writer said to be lies and my story is consistent with several things like mr. Smith young women which would be too coincidental for us to manufacture nor vegan you should have just let this conflict cease to exist at this point I myself had repeatedly argued to you it expressed you we had no reason to be enemies but you insisted on making an enemy of me you insisted on making private correspondence public you repeatedly declared to me that you were going to prove to the world what a terrible person I am look everybody already knows I'm a terrible person but your girlfriend Hannah was fundamentally being reasonable here and just saying acknowledging I'd spoken to her privately by email and by Skype I had read the public statements there was no reason for me to think the sex was anything but consensual she sees it you can't or you won't
here this is an email I received today and this is not the first time that Michael has threatened to make our private email public apparently is going ahead with it and so that is what has forced me to make this video sharing private correspondence with you the audience cuz he's gonna do it anyway and he's made it very clear that he's gonna do this to try to blacken my character or show everyone what a terrible manipulative person I am again it's not as if I'm out here even disputing that I'm a terrible person but go ahead Michael this I'm showing first because it is the reason why I'm sharing correspondence in the rest of this video that otherwise I would have treated as extremely sensitive extremely private and would have taken to my grave with me as a secret fundamentally I mean I feel pity for the guy I feel sorry for the guy I don't really know it again I don't have any inside information about about what his situation is but obviously there's a lot of suffering at his end obviously in terms of sympathy I'd like to think I can imagine how difficult the position he's in really is and how you know he feels he's fighting for his own sense of honor and dignity he's fighting for his girlfriend so a sense of honour day-to-day and you know I mean obviously early on especially when he started lashing out at me I just assumed it was for that reason I just assumed will gut you know this guy's got a lot of pent-up grief and anguish and now he's lashing out at me when obviously there are other people he should be he should be lashing out at but you know be that as it may I don't hate him for that and if you read this correspondence I I think very few people are gonna really have the attention span to read this correspondence I don't find it interesting I think if you read it with any sense of who I am if you're someone who's watched my channel for a while you will realize that on the one hand on being skeptical and reticent because this guy has sent me really conflicting and self contradictory information internally so cluttered what he said to me and what hannah has said to me is self-contradictory it is and secondly you know um I'm just trying to help like I'm just talking this guy's okay what do you want to do like how can I help because basically he turned on me at a point where he stationed this in the earlier video at one point he just started saying to me that I was supporting durianrider story during writers version of events and not Hanna's version and I was I was shocked as how can you having this possibly be true what do you mean and I kind of read through what he said very carefully at that turning point and went back and kind of looked at my video and look at his videos and I said okay so what you mean must be that even though you've stated publicly it's not about rape even though hannah has stated publicly it's not about rape even though I had one Skype conversation with Hannah in which there was absolutely no suggestion whatsoever that rape was any consideration or factors that the r-word came into that rape was not a factor although sex was you know the word sex was used in the report rape wasn't um you know I put the pieces together my sister so it must meet be that what you're insinuating here is that I'm not supporting your version of the story because I'm not reading between the lines that what you really mean is that there was rape even though you've explicitly said publicly that there was no rape and you've said to me in private communication email on this one Skype conversation that there was you know there was there was no way here's the reply from Hannah Chloe you will just note that I have highlighted in yellow there her confirmation that yes she did publicly say that there was no rape quote Heysel thanks to reply I'd like to address a couple of points you made quote you describe the sex is consensual she replies I'm certain I never described what happened in any detail and as I said in my previous email the issue of consent was never addressed well look rape allegations are very very serious obviously she doesn't have to discuss with me I'm not really asking for to discuss it with me in any detail or what-have-you but it's not really a defensible position to say that it's neither rape nor consensual she replies that is not true I have only made one statement publicly since my video that statement said I had not accused him of rape because he had an raped me that is a very important statement and again someone like Noor vegan someone like Michael has to consider seriously the position that puts me in that's her public position on the issue which is not the same thing as saying that I had sex with him I realized that it is just semantics but this is of particular importance to me I would never equate what happened with him as being as he likes to repeat adult consensual sex well you said it's not rape so that it was the position I was put in and anyone following the story as I was putting it so i can to some extent sympathize the position he was in as stated you know i just imagined that being a tremendously stressful i mean he's in a defensive position where for his own honor and his girlfriend's sake of honor and you he probably feels he's working against a huge crowd of very angry during writer supporters you know i'm it's not hard for me to imagine what that's like his his public position but he seems to be incapable of sympathizing with my position this final paragraph is significant in its way because what hannah Chloe is doing here is exactly what Noor vegan refuses to do Nora vegan refuses to ever admit that I'm being reasonable and she says here quote I can understand that having that Skype conversation with me and then seeing that public statement ie her public statement just quoted that there was no rape combined with the innumerable times during writers repeated this story would give you no reason to believe it was anything but consensual again I had spoke to Hannah directly I had no reason to believe it was anything but consensual and Hannah herself acknowledges this at this stage so I don't know wine or vegan finds it in comprehensible nor vegan has declared he's trying to make me seem psychopathic sociopathic narcissistic unreasonable well Hannah could recognize that I was being reasonable that at this point I had no reason to believe it was anything but consensual hand I can recognize that noir vegan can't or chooses not to and thus he creating conflict where there shouldn't be any conflict he's creating drama where there should not be any drama a continuum of quotation I think that a lot of this will be addressed in Michaels video help me to we can prove a lot of what during writer said to be lies and my story is consistent with several things like mr. Smith young women which would be too coincidental for us to manufacture nor vegan you should have just let this conflict cease to exist at this point I myself had repeatedly argued to you it expressed you we had no reason to be enemies but you insisted on making an enemy of me you insisted on making private correspondence public you repeatedly declared to me that you were going to prove to the world what a terrible person I am look everybody already knows I'm a terrible person but your girlfriend Hannah was fundamentally being reasonable here and just saying acknowledging I'd spoken to her privately by email and by Skype I had read the public statements there was no reason for me to think the sex was anything but consensual she sees it you can't or you won't