Unmasking Norvegan: Durianrider's "Narc Hunter".

so aisel missoura since then has
released several videos ok I'll flash the screenshots here real quick several videos about noir vegan and Hannah Chloe because noir vegan is now threatening to release every single correspondence between hazel and and himself nerve vegans threatened to release all the emails between himself and aizawa's art so ISIL preemptively decided to release some of his emails first and the evidence is damning in here last things first this was an email from a couple of months ago when I was trying to put a positive end to a very negative situation with noir vegan with Michael when I assumed this was just gonna be a private conversation between us that he wasn't gonna post the email publicly on the internet which he threatened to do repeatedly and then finally promised to do decisively that he was gonna make all this public so now I have to make it public too at the stage of the conversation this email comes from he's already said that I'm a narcissist and I'm a terrible human being and various ways he's already publicly supported a video by Joe best a video that said I was a psychopath and he was making comments generally in agreement with this although not directly and specifically endorsing his theory it was you know very hurtful negative situation and this is what I wrote the guy you will see the context for this if you watch the video as a whole Michael I'm sorry that you're hurt I'm sorry that you feel that I didn't support you or didn't support Hannah when I made various videos that I thought were very supportive of both you and Hannah I believed I was supporting Hannah's publicly stated position that there was no rape and that there should be no discussion of rape you found that hurtful and you expressed your rage and indignation to me after a very long pause many months later more than a year later thing I'm sorry if you really felt offended by my videos about Nina and Iran I'm sorry that you didn't want to discuss any of these issues with me but I understand that you're hurt by a great many things I'm sorry that you feel all alone and the nobody supports you and that nobody understands you and that nobody is trustworthy aside from Dom bow or kereama carpet etc the situation you're in as you perceive it and as you describe it yourself is a very sorrowful one I didn't want you to feel alone I wanted you to feel that I was one of the people willing to listen and that I was one of the people trying to support you and you don't feel that way that's okay that's your decision so this is an apology letter that I sent to him despite the fact that he'd already said terrible things against me already gotten very angry and very upset but I understand he's upset I sent him this apology one of Nohr vegans main claims in proving that I'm a narcissist is that I didn't accept an apology he made to me and that I didn't accept an apology from Joe best at one point well this this is a real apology I'm apologizing I'm trying to make him feel better I'm trying to put a positive conclusion this situation and how does he respond he completely rejects the possibility this is a sincere apology he just dismisses this as a condescending email when in fact there's absolutely nothing condescending about it which is what I say to him in reply there's absolutely nothing condescending well this email nothing so let's just get the back story for you guys in case anybody is is new to this drama and it doesn't know the history back in summer of 2016 during writer accused aizawa's art of being a pedophile okay since he's has taken the statements down I think they were like Facebook comments that he had made he never gave an official apology but he did take the the statement salary's retracted them as Lazard brought up criminal defamation charges against Farley Gus you can sue people criminally not sue them you can criminally charge somebody with defamation in Thailand and all this does have all everything we're talking about in this video pretty much happened in Thailand so after Harley had made these statements against eyes'll calling him a pedophile falsely accusing him of pedophilia Hannah Chloe who was a community member in the vegan Thailand fruit call community she uploaded a video saying that Harley was actually guilty of the same thing that he was accusing eyes Allah because Harley was the one that was luring young vegan girls back to his apartment to [ __ ] Michael your case that durianrider is a narcissist is a joke you're dead wrong you have no understanding of NPD narcissistic personality disorder as a real psychiatric condition I don't think you've met an interview people the condition I don't think you've been through real psychiatric medical literature on it you're not using formal diagnostic criteria or checklists but also the way you just slander anyone who's your opponent in a debate by claiming they're a narcissist your claim that I'm a narcissist is based on on two two legs it stands on two legs one that I respond to criticism poorly and you know if that's true okay a lot of people respond to criticism poorly and to that I didn't accept your apology well guess what Michael by those two criteria you are a narcissist Michael you would have to condemn yourself much more harshly than you condemn me because that was a great example of me sending you a sincere apology and trying to improve the situation and you completely dismissing it you responding in a manner that you would define as narcissistic yourself I don't define it that way I don't want to fall down this rabbit hole where everyone who disagrees with me or everyone who feels to take criticism well yeah everyone who gets upset is a narcissist just for that reason Michael you need to take a long look in the mirror you need to stop making these kinds of character assassinations against your fellow vegans on the Internet this is super super important information Harley made a video where he admitted to having sex with Hannah Chloe and he even went so far as to say that the very next day he had a sore pelvis everybody remembers the sore pelvis statement so that's like the background information for you guys now at the time we don't know if an employee was with nor vegan we don't know if they taking a break or maybe ignored vegan was just interested in Hannah Chloe we really it's hard to tell exactly when they started dating and when that relationship was actually a thing it could have been after the summer of 2016 but to bring us up to the current time nor vegan has come out with several hour-long documentaries about Harley that are titled unmasking the narcissus he's been doing this for about the past year now literally obsessing over Harley and Harley alone on his channel trying to chase him off of the internet okay this email is from Medan Norvig on and i would guess it was about a month earlier than the first emails have shown to you in this video sort approximate date could be more than a month I was trying to end what seemed to me a meaningless and hostile correspondence I write to him saying I said before you destroyed during like writers life you one start talking like a winner stop talking like a whiner you're asking me to pity you while at the same time insulting me etc it's absurd and I just pause here remember there's no reason for me to be addressing nor vegan as as a victim or PDM or what have you he was very much an aggressor in this situation he was making a series of really shocking videos attacking durianrider and I'm telling him you should start behaving like a winner you should be a bit magnanimous like a winner stop talking like you're a loser in this situation and like I said I felt he was just putting in an absurd situation where he's asking me to pity him while at the same time sending me these insults and saying I may be a narcissist in this kind of nonsense right I point out when I showed you death threats that dr sent me you laughed at them and rightly so now you send me your own examples he sent me examples of dr sending him death threats and he was saying you know how scared he is and how I should feel sorry for him now you send me your own examples asking me to pity you why you really seem paranoid and insane in this correspondence have a typo there I'm being sincere when I say that that's really just how I felt about the email he was sending at the time durianrider has nothing now YouTube was his only source of income the festival was his only source of pride he lost everything and he lost the trust of 99% of his friends even Joey carb strong etc now as you can gather I write this with real sympathy for the other side put yourself in durianrider shoes think about the position he's in and think about how really inappropriate you know nor feegans behavior as at least well in this case I felt he was being inappropriate just in his private correspondence with myself but I'm not faking here you know that's really how I view the situation stop talking like a whiner start talking like a winner start being a bit magnanimous and honorable given that you're the winner in the situation and given that there really is a morally ambiguous double edged sword type of situation here where you've destroyed a public figures life and destroyed a public figures credibility already I continue wake up grow up start acting like a man direct and forthright you're trading in innuendo to an absurd extent and pleading for pity when you're the winner you know I've said before I'm not a nice guy this is definitely tough love this isn't unlike the email I showed at the very start of this video well it's definitely not being condescending none of it is this is really respecting him and treating him as the aggressor in his conflict with durianrider which he was this email was actually prior to the one you just saw and this just unpacked a little bit further what it is I was saying there why that was so brief and so truncated I had already written to him saying quote stop feeling sorry for yourself you and I both did our part to destroy Darien writers life and it is destroyed his career his reputation etc destroyed is he guilty of rape not to my knowledge Hannah told me directly that she had consensual sex with durianrider stop feeling sorry for yourself you've just sent me a [ __ ] email insinuating that durianrider is guilty of rape there's no other sense in which you could possibly mean what you said Hannah's video was deceptive and vague it put dr in the position of telling the truth that was a mistake on her part stop pretending that sex is irrelevant Hannah's story with so many details quote he stroked my hair on the couch etc didn't accidentally omit that they had sex afterward it was deceptive and it made your site look bad and then you said nothing for a year grow up stop feeling sorry for yourself you won you destroyed his life is that what you wanted look at his situation in 2015 vs. 2018 it's pathetic look at your own future by contrast need i say more I can imagine how devastating this was the jury inviter to all of his aspirations his aspirations as a vegan activist his aspirations as a career youtuber and everything else this had a devastating effect on the other man but I am NOT gonna lie about what Hannah and Nour vegan said to me about these rape allegations and I'm not getting into this at length in this video there are already two videos on this channel unpacking this issue so you can take a look at those earlier videos if you don't know what I'm talking about here but that goes through what I said what I knew of what I didn't say what I don't know and why this is now public instead of being just private correspondence then a few weeks ago when almost a month ago now when Harley's channel went down you guys remember this Harley's channel went down for Terms of Service violations nor vegan took credit for that in the way that he did that was he posed in a video in front of the headquarters of the YouTube headquarters in San Francisco and he said I'm here in San Francisco I brought YouTube headquarters a list of all the the bad things that during Ryder has done and his channel is now down you can't slander people misleading his audience and in alluding to the idea that he was the one that was responsible for Harley's channel being taken down then just about a week later are these channel goes back up so everybody's thinking wow like what's going on here nor vegan and if you look at or vegans video mad dislikes like way over a thousand dislikes now and personally I think from the most part nor vegan has been discredited I don't think anybody really takes that dude seriously anymore I think in the beginning like maybe like last November December January when his first couple of videos against Harley came out people were like oh yeah you know Nord vegans doing a good thing here and you see taking on the big bed Harley Johnstone and trying to save veganism right but I think after all of this has been said and done people realize that you know he's just another egomaniac that's trying to defend you know even as admirable as it is to defend yourself or defend your girlfriend he's really just obsessed now okay guys we're now gonna go through a pretty long list of emails to myself and Noor vegan as rapidly as possible so you can pause to read everything that's on screen if you feel you have that level of interest and on the other hand you may want to skip over this or stop watching the video entirely this sequence of emails will conclude with the apology that I posted as the very first email in this video so in a sense we're catching up to where we were at the beginning or we started at the end and you'll see I mean both he and I are upset in this correspondence there's no de I wouldn't deny that I'm upset and I don't know if he denied he was upset also but I did have good intentions I think that's gonna be obvious to anyone reading this in a neutral and detached manner and he can't see that at all the same way he completely dismissed my apology as having ulterior motives as being manipulative as being insincere as being something you know he has this really kind of paranoid mentality where no matter how I try to help there's no plot getting him there's no satisfying he responds to everything as having some other meaning than what is so plainly stated in simple English here alright so this email is me writing to him this is the start of this sequence of emails there are a few positive statements I can pick out and respond to just a few so that's saying look I'm gonna ignore some of the insulting and negative stuff you sent me I'm gonna try to build on what's positive in the email correspondence at this point okay you've sent me an extremely insulting and demeaning message if you can't recognize that you're really out of touch with reality you claim that you're offended by what I said about Nina and Aranda caveat I don't know if you've really seen the video is concerned I doubt it that's being sincere I just don't think he ever watched the videos he heard something that somebody else said about them but what he said up the video is just did not sound like he knew what I my argument actually was or what action what I actually said or why well you've just written to be Michael really is more demeaning your maligning my character psychologically personally etc and you're reading things into my intentions actions words etc that are profoundly disturbing as well as insulting and yes to a much lesser extent you have been doing this in public YouTube comment sessions why do you think my commentary on Nina and Rhonda is so harmful whereas your suggestion that I'm a narcissist is not my depiction of Nina and Rhonda very clearly explained and justified directly in reference to their own video content is serving a very clear political serve purpose in the videos concerned for example the title of one of them is stop treating women like infants a very clear feminist message actually again that's a video about Nina and right on my channel I'm not embarrassed by it you know whereas your depiction of me is damning and appeals to private information about me etc and it is only damning you went in the comments section to blacken my character with no other redeeming purpose or objective and you know this once what you've said against me privately and publicly doesn't help the vegan movement and it doesn't help anything it isn't about veganism feminism or anything else it is just character assassination from your perspective as someone who made a so-called documentary about me who spoke with me privately etc and if you're really so sensitive that you're offended by my critique of Nina and Rhonda why can't you see this as problematic okay I then quote him from an earlier email he wrote what do you want me to do I want happy to fix this and be on good terms again I really do appreciate that sentiment and stated intention Michael and I wish you had written email with this as the primary thesis so I am thanking him for this saying I appreciate this maybe we can build on this but obviously he's been writing a lot of negative and insulting stuff to me I also think you should practice asking questions instead of making a because you have made many many ludicrous accusations in this message and any of them could have just been questions regarding quote do you want me to make a video show the comments that I made say that I was out of line the comments like these damaged reputations had hurt people that this was wrong of me and I don't want to be that person and I of course retract everything I said so again I don't know if this was sincere on his part but I treated it as sincere so Wow he's offering to make a video apologizing for his comments against me but I say back no that's that's not necessary I'm just trying to calm me down and make you feel better so again I don't know whether or not his intentions were ever genuine because this disappears really quickly thereafter in the conversation but I write back my understanding of the current situation is that you still seem to be genuinely confused above the things you're upset about things that you're accusing me of etc so you'd probably be better off addressing or discussing those issues with me and actually feeling better about the situation so in case you didn't catch what just happened there on those two paragraphs he offered to make a public apology on YouTube to say that he was in the wrong and that this damages my reputations and hurts me and I say back look I think the real problem here is just that you're upset you're confused and I'm trying to make you feel better so maybe we should you know talk on skype maybe we should address this problem etc okay I go on to say if you actually believe that I'm such a terrible person you believe these crazy theories about my tactics and making that video about Joe best if you believe you've seen through my tactics as you say to something hidden and terrible beneath a whole line of reasoning on your part that seems paranoid and insane from my perspective then you should talk to me about these issues so again I'm being very positive in response to very negative situation all right and there in all caps they say you should not publicly blacken my character Pithom you asked if I offer to talk to you on skype the call could be 100% private or we could use portions as a podcast or video your choice always let my guest censor or request deletions but I have to ask for example one do you actually have any interest in discussing the neden Randa videos with me your claim that I became angry at you about this is really false I went back and reread the messages I would run back and reread the earlier emails we had he's alluding to I can resend them if you like it would also seem false to say that you were angry me about it it was mentioned the Nina rant video it was just mentioned and then you became upset about rape which is very easy to understand it seems to me entirely obvious that you were not really interesting talking about Nina rant at all it came up but you didn't reply with any interest when I indicated that you should watch the actual video is concerned discuss with me if you were interested I still don't think you've seen those two videos one of which has stopped treating women like infants in the title I give a link it just isn't true that we had any sort of discussion about this you mentioned it and I indicated in reply that we could discuss it further if you wanted to if you watch the actual videos concerned about Nina and Randa and then you became a set about rape versus non rape the latter again is understandable I can completely understand why you are so upset and thus I made a huge effort to address your concerns although you were a complete [ __ ] toward me what is not understandable is why you'd now be defaming me in YouTube's comment sessions in the way that you are I made a huge effort to patch things up with you and Hanna in the context of you being extremely reasonable again I can understand what this is upsetting for you but dot-dot-dot brings us up to this current moment okay now when noir vegan had uploaded that video taking credit for Harley's channel being taken down and before Harley's channel went back up aisel put out a video that we missed over here on this channel and he had suggested that maybe noir vegan was lying that maybe noir vegan was not telling the truth and that he was trying to take credit for Holly Shelby had taken down to build himself up and to make himself more credible in the eyes of the vegan community now noir vegan did not like that and that's when this story just blows up today the [ __ ] is crazy man if you had told me back in 2016 summer 2016 that this [ __ ] was all gonna come to a head to this very point in time right now oh man you could not have predicted it I would have I wouldn't have believed it I wouldn't have believed it it only happens on YouTube this [ __ ] you cannot make up in a book it only happens in vegan YouTube number two your sole justification for your behavior is an ESL miss intere misinterpretation of the words affair and [ __ ] it's an English as a second language problem English is not his first language you're 100% wrong about this in English we use the word affair to just mean situation normally a complex situation or series of events thus I say things like your conduct in this affair I understand that English is your second language but you misinterpreted the word to a bizarre extent the word [ __ ] is extremely vague in English it actually can be used to describe rape not only consensual sex and again you've ascribed a meaning to it that the word just doesn't hold however even if you were reasonable in your reading of these words and you are not you're a hundred percent wrong on these two words how could it possibly be reasonable for you to disregard the pages and pages of effort I made to resolve this issue with you and with Hannah how could it be reasonable for you to disregard the months of positive correspondence we had before that you know if you're offended by it something I've said an email okay my heart goes out to you but why are you making an enemy out of me I've been supportive I've been trying to be your friend you know just just be reasonable just be a mensch right now in the contents of this message if I did use the word affair and [ __ ] incorrectly in the past why can't you recognise my efforts to really communicate with you since then and to address your concerns now look I'm not adding on any psychological character assassination here but you tell me I don't know maybe the problem really is that noir vegan is a narcissist maybe he's the one who has MPD why is it impossible for him to be reasonable you know even if I'm an imperfect human being even of a terrible human being just be reason with me how could it be reasonable for you to say in effect quote you use the word affair defined in the dictionary as one an event or sequence of events of a specified kind that I presume we preferred to and you use the word [ __ ] therefore you're supporting writers version of events and I'm gonna treat you as an enemy despite all of your attempts to mount how is that reasonable how can you or can you not see the purpose of my prior correspondence you now complain in a paranoid manner that I wrote to Hannah after you told me not to but look at the positive intent and content of those messages it is very very clear that I was trying to be your ally and supporter despite the fact you've been a complete [ __ ] toward toward me why is it so hard for you to appreciate number three much more briefly I'd mentioned in parallel that I think you have gnosis your interest in discussing my two-year plus personal history with Joe best I'm completely open to discussing these things with you I could do a podcast with you on Nina and Rand I could do a podcast you on Joe best etc but my impression is that you raise both it just examples just to throw them in my faces of approach and to back up your portrait of me as a terrible person possibly narcissism narcissists etc and you have zero interest in discussing the videos involved or the events involved etc and this is understandable because it isn't very interesting so look guys I'm partly saying this is understandable because it isn't very interesting but the truth is this is really low and mean and awful you can't go around psychologically judging people while having no sincere interest in what actually happened and why what their motives were what their conduct was so what you just you think I'm a villain because of something I said to need in aranda you don't even know what I said you think I'm a villain because of Joe bests incredibly skewed version of events incredibly dishonest attempts to pillory me on the internet which has gone on for more than two years he has a more than a two year track record on that and my track record is a real contrast if you even just watch the videos let alone ask me about it so again sympathy isn't an analytical tool and psychological diagnosis are meant to help people not to hurt people if you're interested in making a psychological diagnosis make sure you're doing it in order to help someone and not to try to just harm them to fame them publicly or destroy their lives you know if you really think there's something psychologically wrong with me because of my interactions with Joe best I think just watching the videos on my channel about that is enough counter evidence but ok so what are you trying to help look what you really you know really you think I have a psychological problem and that's why I had this problem Joe best it's not all the things Joe best did wrong that he himself has recognized and apologized for Joe best knows he was in the wrong and a whole bunch of issues you know come on let's get real here all right number four look I'm happy to lead the comment edit it edit didn't retract the statements he says and I say okay go ahead and delete the comment but please consider my invitation to talk via Skype we can talk in person privately or you can decide afterward what percentage the court you like to me public again I have to urge you to practice asking questions instead of making accusations do you actually have a questionable history with Joe best I doubt it it isn't that interesting why not ask me a question instead of spinning out these bizarre interpretations that seemed to serve no purpose aside from blackening my character and justifying your already stated insults against me so I accused or suggested that noir vegan was possibly being deceptive and was lying nor vegan didn't like that so Norvig an email aisel this is what I will say in the last couple of days on his channel he uploaded a video entitled I'm sorry - noir vegan and it was one of these half-ass apology videos that eyes'll is known for you know someone for freelee's dumb one for Harley where he just basically gets on camera he's like I'm sorry if I made you feel this way and I'm sorry that you're offended here right and he doesn't actually take back anything he says or whatever or actually try to make an apology just names the video my apology and it's not an apology which is fair enough it's funny as [ __ ] don't get me wrong the way eyes'll trolls that [ __ ] is hilarious but nor vegan wanted demanded an apology from Heysel because he's in and what ISIL says that that noir vegan admitted to ISIL and an email that an ISIL has shown the receipts for this in an email nor vegan admitted that he was just trolling he says well I didn't lie I though I don't want people thinking I'm a liar please take it back that I lied please make an apology video because he wants to be credible with the the vegans on YouTube you know he wants to be credible in this community he doesn't want anybody god forbid every PUD anybody finds out that he's just another narcissistic egomaniac Fame for just try to make content and videos that mad people are gonna watch so he can grant gain some kind of credibility online within vegan youtube right god forbid he actually gets exposed is if that's the worst thing in the world five you open this discussion with the claim that I don't respond well to criticism have you watched this 47 minute long video responding to criticism this video is not unique on my channel I actively seek out and reward intelligent criticism and you can tell that I'm laughing and responding the mode and it relaxed way most the time even when my critics are really very insulting but look again why would you judge someone as a narcissist because they don't cope with criticism a lot of people don't now I don't actually think that's true of me I think there's a lot of ever even on my youtube-channel of how well I respond to criticism but if I'm a narcissist just for these two reasons that he's presenting one being that I don't respond well to criticism and the other being that I didn't accept his apology we'll then guess what nor vegan you're a narcissist you're a much worse narcissist cuz it's obvious you don't cope wealth criticism and you've rejected my apologies again and again that's happened repeatedly and when they were they were sincere and well-intentioned apologies alright number six what you've said about me publicly consists of lies shame on you this email you sent me is really extremely insulting and demeaning I've tried to pick out a few parts that were slowly positive respond to here but I've never said anything so demeaning about Nina and Aranda as what you're saying about me now and the critique I did present to Nina and Randa served a real purpose your critique of me didn't but Norweigan demanded the apology from eyes'll and admitted that he was trolling he really didn't have anything to do with Harley's channel being taken down so that's been exposed so that's another reason I think noir vegans starting to really lose a lot of credibility not the only not for the fact that Harley's channel did go back up but also that he's now admitted to Wisel and ISIL spilled the beans on this that he was just that nor vegan was just trolling when he said he took down the early channel so eyes on his art since then has released several videos ok I'll flash the screenshots here real quick several videos about Noor vegan and Hannah Chloe because Noor vegan is now threatening to release every single correspondence between Heysel and and himself non vegans threatened to release all the emails between himself and aizawa's are so ISIL preemptively decided to release some of his emails first and the evidence is damning in here this is just a comment on Charles's video Charles Marlowe's video someone commented Narcis the word narcissist has now become the equivalent of what racist is in the political world it's lost all its meaning I think I think I actually put the city here by accident but hey it can say alright I'm running out of patience here he writes back so he throws away everything positive with that completely rejects the possibility of having a Skype call with me obviously the possibility that he would actually you know apologize or attract his comments has gone now to for whatever reason I reply to that saying I invited you to talk on skype I think that part the email was really clear if you think you've lost patience you should really make the effort to imagine how I must feel that's the most basic thing and that sympathy requires imagining how the other person must feel I lost patience with you a long time ago Michael I don't want to talk to you but I'm offering to do so and I'm offering to do so for good reasons I don't see any good reasons and anything you've said or done and this reply of yours is [ __ ] it just makes me think you're a shitty person that's honest enough you can go back and pause it and read that reply very disappointing compared to the level I was putting in to try to settle this dispute he replies back I don't want to talk to you either so it should just end there well okay but it didn't just end there did it you sent me all kinds of bullying threatening emails and said you'd make all this correspondence public so now it's public you created a conflict where there is no reason for conflict and he says maybe I should have just listened when you said you're not a good person oh I don't know guys so look pause if you want to read every word of this I'm just trying to reiterate that I had good intentions and I said well okay if we can't move forward with me actually making you feel better which I offered to do by Skype if I can't actually address the conflict then we can go back to your suggestion which was that you'd actually delete your comments and make a public apology that was what he offered my counteroffer was well why don't we just have a private conversation and try to make you feel better but okay if you know I want to do that we can go back to option a now he writes back saying I don't negotiate with terrorists blah blah blah I'm such a terrible person and you see at the bottom it says no apology for you okay so you see what kind of human being you're dealing with probably his offer to apologize to me was always insincere but I treated it as sincere because I'm writing him with really good intentions and I have to assume the other person Doug deal has good intentions also pause if you want to read everywhere do this my reply regarding quote I don't negotiate with terrorists Michael I made a positive offer to talk to you on skype to resolve anything it everything you said about privately or publicly you can talk about Nina and Randa or whatever's on your mind you refused I said therefore okay we can do your suggestion instead it was your suggestion from your prior message and now you want to act as if I'm forcing you to do something you don't want to do I just said okay we can go back to your former offer blah blah blah grow up you are really creating drama and conflict out of a situation that need not contain any drama or conflict and what and you've really shown just how Hollow your apology was he never made he just offered to me he promised them an apology dad what a sack of [ __ ] you are man um I don't know antics ensue you can pause if you want to read every sense of this yeah I don't see anything here that's really worth commenting about by all means hit pause if you want to ah yeah okay this too I mean again like you know I'm being sincere here what I his writing to me seems to me really paranoid and he's always ascribing bad intentions to me and hidden meanings to what I'm saying this sounds a lot like his own theory of projection that he says about durianrider but I mean you know come on man moving ahead hit pause if you want to read every word of this something anyone possibly could I'm just looking over again now why do you behave as if I've got some sort of strategy to destroy you or harm you just why you interpret a very simple situation in an absurdly paranoid manner you interpret it as if I'm trying to destroy you I just offered to have a Skype conversation with her to make him feel better regardless of whether or not I'm in the wrong or he's in the wrong or we're both in the wrong just trying to patch things up do something positive just trying to help okay he writes back again he's just trying to escalate the hostility the situation not deescalate it you can read this if you want to he's just saying yeah well everybody else has a problem with you so as if his crappy behavior was justified by this fact again I'm just saying look you were an [ __ ] towards me I'm trying to make the situation better whatever was that upsetting to you I offer to talk about I replied by saying well you were upset about something so why don't you just talk to me in order to resolve it make yourself feel better for things in a better footing and he's incapable of responding positive this stuff he writes back to me and he asks is he the only one who's insane or paranoid or is it everyone else and I read back to him honestly saying no Michael it's just you you're the only one I've never had to deal with anyone like you before he writes back again saying that somehow other people's opinions with me are definitive I write back again saying I've answered your question Michael I've interacted with hundreds and hundreds of people I've worked in many diverse settings you've seen my CV and you'd so you know to some extent my answer to your question is no I've never had to deal with someone who has your type of paranoid behavior nobody else behaves in the way that you do his he is just again trying to escalate the situation you can tell I'm trying to end the situation I'm trying to end this conversation ended positively he's only trying to pick a fight he's only trying to escalate it and he's refused my offer to talk on skype or do something positive or address any of his concerns whether it's about Nina Iran or whether it's what turn right or anything else he's just trying to make things worse and now we are back to the start of this sad story I write this apology saying Michael I'm sorry you were hurt I'm sorry feel that's the context for this I sent him this really positive really conciliatory really apologetic message in the midst of this awful bullying harassing situation he sent all this crap to me and and if you watch this video from start to end this is the video that I posted at the very beginning if you skip that part hit pause now and read it but there is just no satisfying some people he writes back dismissing this as kind of sending I just write back reiterating that there's absolutely nothing quite condescending about it whatsoever and I thought that was the end of my colourful correspondence with Noor vegan but no the guy had to pick a fight with me again and again I mean this [ __ ] is so messy it's so crazy it's so all over the place okay it's it's just it's the most insane [ __ ] vegan drama [ __ ] that I think we've ever seen if they do bring fake allegations up against her in Ryder I'm imagining just from like what ISIL is saying on his channel is that he would actually defend Harley 100% against fake rape allegations okay even though Harley was the one that accused ISIL of pian a pedophile so when all this is said and done okay it's just crazy how maybe aisel enduring rider might actually end up being some sort of like mutual you know alliance they're against you know the defamation and the slander in the vegan community hey what's up everyone today I want to talk about there are three different types of people what people talk about and number one the start at the bottom number one there's people that talk about gossip right they talk about other people they're just gossip queens all they do is talk about other people you know that's that's basically what their life is based on is they have nothing else better to talk about than other people just gossip queens then you have people that just talk about things you know cars motorcycles you know just useless things that's you know their main conversation pieces things now number three and this is a category I put myself in is people that talk about ideas their brain is constantly working on new concepts possibly new business ideas ways to make money we're talking about new things you follow me so we got the gossipers people to talk about things and gossipers basically is you know where let's say you're you're with a buddy grab some lunch you're like hey bro dude I got this [ __ ] in trouble but it's this idea oh my gosh what I'm gonna do is you start talking it's like it's like oh dude check out it on Facebook look at it look what so-and-so is doing on Facebook and you're like like that's what your life consists of they're talking about [ __ ] Facebook I mean that's an example of the gossip now so these three types of people gossip you'll talk about things and people that talk about ideas a bonus yen