Grandpa Pete! "A Chat With Eisel's Father-In-Law" #VeganDrama #Vamous

in a subtle way this is a pretty
psychologically disturbing video in this short clip you're about to see my ex-father-in-law grandpa Pete sits down with Noor vegan and the funny thing is this clip is right at the beginning after they sort of do a sound check and get the pleasantries out of the way you can tell they discussed this in advance and they decided this was like a really strong story to lead with like this was something that really denounced me as like a psychologically disturbing character and the truth is if you just pause and think about it for a moment it's really sad and a really disturbing what it shows you about old grandpa Pete here and oh yeah if there were any truth to his story of course he'd just show you the emails these emails that supposedly contain proof of this salacious conspiracy theory and noir vegan would do the same for his conspiracy theory but they ain't got those emails to show I do I'll show you right now exactly what the emails say and you're gonna get to see just how little correspondence there is between this man's story and reality I would like you to tell people what ISIL did to you and your wife and how he tried to basically break you up because that's basically the same thing it did to me and Hannah yeah ISIL this becomes a little complex because ISIL is not a simple guy in this respect he recruited my daughter to send my wife a letter in which in what's very obviously isil's language she informed my wife that I should say aisel informed my wife that I was a dangerous man that I was subject to violent outbreaks of temper and that she would be putting - her entire family in danger if she stayed together with me I think I don't really need to explain how this led to some interesting conversations between my wife and me but by the time she got this note she'd already known me for 10 years and she knew there wasn't the word of truth in it let's start by just saying the rules I'm playing by these are the rules I am choosing to play by this video shows only number one email written by myself and two email written by grandpa Pete let me just saw on screen there so in this video I am avoiding showing email written by my ex-wife I have those emails if there were any truth to this ridiculous far-fetched fiction that cramp up Pete has just laid out to you I'm sure he would be showing you the emails if there were any truth of the claim nor vigan just made that I had tried to make him and his girlfriend break up he made all those emails public right so he'd be able to show that from the email correspondence to me in him both of these guys their quote unquote interpretation of reality is unbelievably far removed from reality but these the rules I'm playing by I'm not gonna show you an email written by my ex-wife um you're gonna be able to figure out quite enough to discredit old Pete here just from what he said and when I said back to him all right here's the logic of the claim and guys keep in mind extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence number one Pete says that his own daughter sent an email complaining that he's a bad father or bad person and you know he like describes this as if this was a union email in the history of his relationship with his daughter like what so are you seeing you had acrimonious correspondence going back and forth between you and your daughter for years like these kinds of allegations and complaints and disputes were going on or what is the audience actually supposed to imagine that you had this wonderful relationship with your daughter and then all of a sudden out of nowhere there's just this one email saying that you've been a bad father and that this leads to you having a conflict with your with your wife your second wife of the time it's already there's some pretty clear signs of manipulating the narrative here and attempting very clumsily to manipulate the audience okay but Pete's daughter sent an email complaining that he's basically a bad person to his his second wife and he's provided you with some details that like you know this specifies that he flight he he has a temper he flies into a rage this kind of thing right his interpretation of this email he isn't your petition no evidence no source his interpretation is that this email was secretly written by me or that I had somehow like manipulated his daughter into writing it right like his daughter isn't respond oh no and like yeah it's just this one email because why what what motivated me to do this why would I go stright a secret email from from his daughter to his second one because of my secret plan to break up his marriage to his second wife look I met your wife once what was I trying to seduce you're so white this is an extraordinary claim that you should be able to prove or substantiate somehow and just Occam's razor is not on your side here if any therapist were hearing somebody say this the therapist would sit there and say well okay here's a crazy theory that this guy received an acrimonious email from his daughter his daughter is not happy with him and he would prefer to believe he would prefer to justify himself and dismiss this email and explain away how unhappy his daughters he would prefer to to imagine that this email was secretly written by his son-in-law right and then why well that's ridiculous why would his son-in-law ever in it instead of his daughter oh well because of this crazy scheme he's invented in his head that his son-in-law is trying to break up his marriage to it and then you know Occam's razor instead would suggest that Peter is just really unhappy that he got this email and he made up a story about it right it's I'm sure therapists you're that kind of thing with that and finally he ain't showing you the emails so Wow Wow Peter do you really think you have email that proves I was trying to break up your marriage is that what you say well let's see exactly what the email said for a little bit of context I made those bouquets myself by hand Maury was not happy with the options going down and paying a professional florist at the market so I said look don't worry about it I used to live in Cambodia and Laos it's going into the market by on flowers I can bind him up and I made bouquets for every single person who attended our wedding it's not that impressive when you realize how few people we had they were attending a wedding this wedding this day this was the only occasion ever when I met Peter and his second wife face to face so this was these photos were taken at the very time I met interacted with Peter really the only time I interact with Peter over the couple of days of this wedding ceremony event and I did indeed have a handmade bouquet one that I made myself for Peter and for his wife for everyone who was there so guys in preparing this video I mean I really had to go back and look at positive emails between myself and Max wife for the first time in many years as you can imagine in the divorce proceedings sometimes I have to go back and look at agrimony as' emails between myself and Mary but Wow I mean looking at these more positive cooperative emails between her and I it's a minor that we really used to love each other we really used to have a very close very cooperative relationship especially in response to crises of this kind her and I really talked through in a very constructive positive way how to cope with the challenges polis by her father her father's behavior that was extremely hurtful to her and you know sometimes as with this latest public performance I would say went right into the realm of the certifiably insane the other thing about our legal wedding ceremony that Pete may be in denial about and that is implicitly and explicitly affirmed in these emails have just been reading over again and again is that his relationship with my wife was so negative was so invidious and so hostile that she refused to let him attend our wedding at all she didn't want him there and her position that is again stated in all the emails of this period was that she never wanted to see him again face to face ever in her life now if they've improved their relationship since then I'm happy for them but what you're gonna see in these emails is that my position was being moderate I really did understand Tesoro my wife was bringing into the situation and after I met Peter I realized how incredibly difficult it was to deal with him face to face in real life at all and why she had given up however my position was not what Peter imagines in this paranoid delusion it was not that I was trying to destroy his relationship with his second wife and not that I was trying to destroy his relationship with his daughter the reason why you were invited in the end Pete was me I said to me ray look I know you really don't want him to attend the wedding but maybe just maybe this is an opportunity for us to make this relationship better to improve the situation and it may be the last opportunity we get for many years to come in part because of the geography of where we were we were taking airplanes all over the world it really didn't seem likely that we'd have that opportunity against a within five years so I said look let's sit down at the same table with Pete let's give him a chance and Pete we gave you a chance and your performance at that wedding was disgraceful so here in contrast to the version of the story you just heard in contrast to the version of the story that he and his daughter were getting along just great until until I entered the relationship from stage left at I just I ruined your wonderful relationship with your daughter Pete hears your voice from your own pen your email and you brought this on yourself Pete you went public you made claims about what these emails said you came on the internet to defame and denounce me so here we go this is you Pete writing to your own daughter Maury Maury there were many things I regret about how I've acted as a parent and I've told you very directly how sorry I am from my share of the chaos and pain in our household it's terribly painful to see how angry and unhappy you are what a burden you're carrying even more than 12 years after you left that household if you don't say it all explicitly it's unambiguous in how you express yourself I've sometimes thought that it may have been a good idea for you to leave that but I also know that your mother and I weren't but her failures as parents and both we and you were somewhat unanchored by your early absence I could be quite explicit about that so pause what he's alluding to here is that my wife chose to leave home as young as she possibly could to get away from her parents really above all else to get away from you Peter and you know that you know that her quote unquote early absence you know what she was running away from I continued quote how hard it must be even to imagine trying to have a serious discussion with someone you consider dishonest narcissistic selfish and a bully as you've described me but I don't recognize myself in that description it's a simple fact that you and I have seen very little of one another since you were adolescent and just as that means I wasn't with you as you went through important growth since then it also means that you don't know me certainly not as I am now with an adult's perception you left so long ago you wanted to get out and stay clear so pause so he's aware of this you see he is aware he's saying you wanted to get out and stay clear you wanted to get away from me you want to get away from the family you want to get away from your father right you want to get out and stay clear but I don't know if you're unaware how unfortunate this has always seemed to me what a source of sadness it is both the early departure and the staying clear at least when your mother left for India Arielle and I could lay some groundwork in getting to know and appreciate one another and that has paid some dividends that are simply missing in our relations yours and mine with all your anger and your need to control our communication it makes sense that you'd keep your distance I was so looking forward to seeing you in your own world someone familiar to me and learning of your work there that would have been something very concrete on your ground this pause Pete you and I have talked about this it's one of the only conversations we've ever had when you came to our wedding you did not ask one question about my wife's life in China you did not ask one question about my life and experience in China you did not ask about our lives in places like Thailand Laos and Cambodia you showed absolutely zero positive interest in who she was as an adult and you showed the zero interest in who this man was whom she'd met and fallen in love with in China whom she chose never you made absolutely no effort that way your actual way from what you did do as I've already said vaguely enough was instead just disgraceful and it was indeed just as you've described yourself in the same email it was bullying and narcissistic and here I repeat myself I think give you every single day with the wish that things will turn out well for you and that we might have trusting rewarding relations with one another now this to me is even more revealing though Peter if you watch this I know you imagine you have just made the claim that at exactly this time the brief period when we're on email corresponds with each other that I have a devious scheme to destroy your relationship with your second wife and that I'm that I'm the real author of the email you just replied to from us that I secretly wrote the email you just responded to that's what you claimed Peter that's insane and impossible on so many levels but here's the reality of how I replied to your email Peter how I replied to it addressing your daughter my wife quote I think his response is better than we were expecting even if it isn't better than could be reasonably expected you're now in a much better situation than with him that I am with either one of my parents number one he's saying he's willing to make an effort even if he doesn't know how to number two he says he's aware that he's done wrong even if he doesn't understand what it was and isn't interested in ever understanding it nor admitting to it etc so guys you can read the rest of this email on-screen I'm not going to go through it line by line but my response was positive and constructive and conciliatory I mean here I say by contrast I'll never get one word as conciliatory from either one of my parents as you've just gotten more than once in this message mere father you know my parents think they've done nothing wrong your father's willing to say hey he knows he's done something wrong okay and you'll see here this is interesting this is the very ending of this email at the very conclusion you might say for my part I do think it is possible that your father could at point stay in a hotel several blocks away from you for a brief period during a vacation be it in Taiwan or who knows where else that would be a lot more effort for him than it would be for us so this is in the context of my ex-wife she never wanted to talk to her father again she wanted to have absolutely no communication she didn't want to even be able to attend her wedding and I'm saying hey recognize the positive elements here maybe maybe some level of cooperation and reconciliation as possible even that's just sending him a couple emails a year meeting up with him on vacation at a distance not letting him into your home you not trusting him enough to go into his home maybe maybe we can do something positive so Peter you never knew it or you never appreciated it but I was being moderate and a reasonable and supportive in a sense I was trying to be on your side it's difficult for me to say that anything should be obvious to people in the audience because look I don't know I don't know how you guys miss so many obvious red flags but it does seem to me that it should be obvious to all of you that this is a crazy story Pete made up relatively recently to justify I don't know his behavior to justify a sense of sorrow loss to make himself out to be the hero instead of the villain a lot of people think and act that way they engage in that kind of self-deception self-justification I don't I'm really really not interested in playing those games not even in my private life much less here on the internet as I've always said on this channel I'm gonna give it to you raw and if you guys don't like it subscribe to my other channel where you thought the air about my personal life but here we get an email from Peter to me directly and if he hadn't made up this story recently if he hadn't just recently made up this crazy story that I was trying to break up his marriage and that I was secretly manipulating Maury that I was ghost writing or emailed that like I created this conflict between him and his daughter and apparently my motivation he claims was to break breakup marriage it's completely insane if you hadn't made this up recently Pete why is it that years ago when we were in conversation there's absolutely no end of it so you're writing to me here you're not nice but it's very obvious that you're a later or fantasy about me hadn't yet been formulated so you write to me at the time so this is right at the time when allegedly I'm part of this series this I'm part of this ridiculous conspiracy right you write to me aisel if I've somehow offended you I have no idea how but I can't see any advantage in engaging in a conversation where important things are unsaid or have said or only implied let them be said directly so Pete if any of this stuff you now claim was true why why would you write this to me is this how you write to someone whom you actually believe is trying to break up your marriage is this how you write to someone you think is secretly writing email impersonating your daughter or manipulating the situation in this prison no you made up all this nonsense later here you are apologizing to me right and this is the start of this email correspondence you say if I've offended you I'm sorry you and I have something enormous in common other than our short haircuts which are subject to change our love and concern from your a you're not yet in a position to know what it means to love someone from the instant of their birth until now but in my life it's a force greater than gravity and more durable than mountains so you can pretty much assume I'm not going to spontaneously upset myself from their raised life failing some unimaginable Cataclysm you and I are going to be in one another's lives and given that let's see what we can do to create understanding between ourselves it's in our own interest and morees so the reality is Pete was writing this at a time when he had absented himself from a raised life for many many years he is not just that he had been absent he had chosen to have sent himself and as we've already discussed Maury for her part had also given up on him and how do I reply no surprise really a completely positive encouraging constructive email you guys can read every word of this for yourself if you want to look 3/4 the way down the page here I say if you want to be part of your daughter's life if you want to be a part of my life you can have my encouragement and advice however you don't have a lot of options and all of them require a significant degree of effort on your part so I'm recognizing just how rocky just so negative just how bad the relationship is between him and his daughter but I'm saying hey I'm willing to do something positive this period of time right after Maury finished university studies although she's finished with a PhD at a later age than most this difficult time where she's you know looking for work and moving all around the world oh yeah there's there's something worth gossiping about I for my part worked behind the counter of a cheese shop as my first show job after graduating there you go so if you really knew what he was doing trying to make me look bad why didn't he come on the internet and say aisel Mozart is vegan now but you know decades ago he used to wear leather boots and he used to work at a cheese shop that's right I later applied to work at a gas station after that she shop fired me for pointing out that they were selling rancid coffee by cheating their own best before date system that's the truth then I ended up in Hong Kong I had a job in Hong Kong that's why I'm with Hong Kong I ended up in Hong Kong before I started talking to guests that's right there was a delay before that job started and one from one of the other I don't know why he wants to insult me about my work record you guys can read my resume I think none of those jobs those types of small jobs they don't get mentioned in my resume or my CV but sure I know work and I work Pete how about you and yeah the conclusion here is look you know if you want to have a positive relationship with your daughter you're gonna have to work hard for it I'm going to do what I can't help and you could imagine his response to this was completely negative it went nowhere and today he's still making up lies about me on the Internet Peter there was abs solutely no resemblance between the reality of this email correspondence and the lies you are telling on the Internet today it's a quote Tyrion Lannister I wish I could be the monster that you think of him but what I really am is the man your daughter fell in love with and it's a shame you never figured out why [Music]