Incels in 2021: a critique of the culture we all need to hear.

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in cells it's very easy for those of us who are blue pilled red-pilled whiteboard it's very easy for those of us who are not in cells to have nothing but withering contempt for them not least of all because the main way we encounter the word concept and philosophy of ansel is when mainstream newspapers cover massacres on the front page naturally actually there's going to be a little bit of public backlash against your philosophy if it's primarily known for massacre massacring innocent civilians at random it's you know kind of a bad luck um when people ask me what my philosophy is i describe myself as a nihilist so on that level too most people have really negative connotations negative associations when you describe yourself as a nihilist or nihilistic you know um but it's just as important for us in the mainstream to really sympathize with and understand the perspective of themselves as it is for them to sympathize with and understand our perspective on the world now what what do i mean by that you know i've i've flown all over the world i have had gourmet food in paris i've had gourmet food in beijing china i've had gourmet food in bangkok thailand not a complete list i've had gourmet food in los angeles california and i know food has nothing to do with leading a meaningful life i know food has nothing to do with happiness in life unless we're talking about the difference between you know starvation and an adequate healthy diet down at that level of the spectrum food has everything to do with how happy or happy you are right whether you're able to sleep at night and wake up in the morning without shaking and trembling dude you know nutritional deficiency right but of course it's very easy for me having had those experiences to say to someone else look man you know food is not the meaning of life food is never going to make you happy you know why are you eating this way why are you making yourself obese or you know or why are you spending a lot of your money flying around the world you know trying to get like yeah that's easy for me to say and because i've done humanitarian work i've known people who really lived in poverty where for years they just ate the same food again and again again and they couldn't imagine that other life you know like i didn't i could tell all kinds of funny stories about that you know i did i did some humanitarian work in laos i did a combination of humanitarian work and research in thailand laos cambodia but yeah you can meet people who've lived lives that are so deprived that way and of course the irony is when you meet those people there are foods they were forced to eat as a child that they associate with poverty and deprivation that we consider luxuries you know what it means you can meet someone in laos they consider themselves a poor disadvantaged person and they're like oh through their whole childhood they were forced to eat fresh mangoes every day uh mangoes i remember milk fruit was like that there milk fruits if you can't even buy los angeles would be incredibly expensive but you know durian all kinds of exotic tropical fruits they look down on that you know they looked out of that stuff objectively speaking it's not that there are no pleasures in their life but they've they've never had mexican food uh really even there even in asia that some of them never had chinese food you know chinese food is something in a fancy restaurant for all these of course you know there's looking up at french food there were there were french restaurants and uh they were former french colonies like uh vincent the capital city of laos and these places all right okay but my point is here um there's a challenge in sympathizing with the other side in both ways it's a challenge it's difficult for someone who's had a lot of sex and a lot of affection and a lot of attention their whole life to sympathize with someone who's so fixated on their failure in this one area that they can't really even reason through other failures within their life like they're they're blind to some of their own failings and they're blind to failings of other people and their in their movement because this is such an overwhelming failure well you know i mean likewise someone who's just so completely devastated by their relationship to food i'm sorry if that's a little bit too ambivalent a way to put it and i'm saying ambivalent rather than ambivalent for a reason someone can just be so messed up because of obesity because of overeating because of binge eating and they can be so messed up because of a life of privation and of yearning for things they don't have or have never been able to you know i mean it's it's very difficult for them to have a detached view towards these sex it's difficult for each side uh to relate to the other and you know what we we actually accomplish nothing by hating each other you know what i mean you you accomplish nothing by expressing your contempt and disdain uh for the other side so i'll give you one example um in terms of how deep this goes because i the reason why this video was titled the insult movement in 2021 is that i think this movement this subculture on the internet it actually has elaborated a meaningful critique of 21st century culture that's worth hearing and i mean with i don't think that was true 20 years ago you know i think if you go back 10 years 20 years you'd see that these discussions were kind of in their infancy they were taking their first steps forward and maybe there wasn't anything worth hearing there maybe it was just a bunch of guys really you know feeling sorry for themselves self-pity self-pity is a many splendor thing you know it's it's real but you know um uh there's a link sorry it's not even a link i've given a shout out to this guy whose youtube channel was just called in cell tv and just to give you an example he talks through what it's like being someone who's suicidal because they're a virgin they can't get a girlfriend they can't have a meaningful relationship they've never been able to have a meaningful relationship they have a series of crushing failures being suicidal because you're ugly and you're aware that you're ugly and you have other problems you know he didn't specify but maybe maybe there's some other problems like you're stuttering or something you have some some kind of problem it makes it very difficult for you to socialize the people but you know this you know you can't get over it you know your parents have lied to you you know your church has lied to you people have told you all your life oh it doesn't matter that you're ugly you should just be kind to other people you just you know like if you go out and practice one virtue or another and it may not be kindness but one of the most common is kindness where people tell the ugly among us to just cultivate their their loving kindness to be kind towards everyone oh yeah like women can't pick up on that from a mile away right oh this guy's being a little too kind to me you know you think that can't freak people out you think that strategy can't backfire huh you know and and people told them you know oh you know your appearance doesn't matter in life they laid this kind of really phony and insincere philosophy while they themselves don't live that way at all and at the same time saying to them that material wealth doesn't matter and connections don't matter they're given this this so you know he's narrating the perspective of someone who is disillusioned and crestfallen and actually suicidal and going to seek help from a psychiatrist or a therapist who is in all likelihood female and i think in his own experience this is being one of the people writing in had been hospitalized it was only the female psychiatrist it may be male but a lot of the people in those positions are female and sitting down and talking to someone who has absolutely no comprehension of what your problems are no sympathy for where you're coming from and who fundamentally blames you for what's wrong with you and it's letting you know every day that you go to see them that they deal with people who have real problems unlike yours and you shut down and you know denigrate you and dismiss you know what's really for you the greatest tragedy of your life you know right or wrong now again sorry just bring this back to food right i've i've gained weight and i've lost weight like for me i mean it's inconvenient you know what i mean but like is it a big deal is it something i'd ever weep about something i'd ever be even upset about you know no no no no not for me but what kind of an insensitive [ __ ] am i if you know whether as a therapist or as a friend i sit down with someone and in that same way i just can't relate to the fact there are a lot of people for whom obesity is the central tragedy of their lives this is a much smaller number from you know being underway you know it's the center for your life so i just mentioned guys it's incredibly rare that i make notes before making a video almost all my videos are completely unscripted off the top of my head and and the exceptions prove the rule when i've written something down it's normally something like remember the anecdote about the horse i've written down one thing that i don't want to forget but in this case i actually did uh write down some points and it's because i did a considerable amount of research before doing this video and as i've already indicated with the title of this video with my opening comments here overall the research i did it really left me very positively impressed i really feel that in 2021 unlike just a few years ago this in-cell phenomenon has become a crossroads for a lot of really meaningful cultural critique of looking at and thinking profoundly about what's wrong with our culture and it i should i should put culture in the plural you know i'm seeing asian americans criticizing asian american culture i'm seeing african-americans criticizing african-american culture and getting into the minutia of how these cultures overlap and contrast and work together and you know there's some really deep in-depth discussion of islam and what it is being someone who's born and raised let's say an arab culture i'm aware they're also like there are places like indonesia that are muslim but not arab but let's just say someone who grows up in an arab predominantly muslim culture and the way those cultural expectations you know then fit into and fail to fit into living in england living in the united states and so on so i do actually think this has become an example of the internet in a really meaningful and powerful way giving a voice to the voiceless and creating an opportunity for all of us to learn a lot by listening to one another but we will learn nothing but refusing to listen to another and that that works both ways like i can say to the people in the audience who are getting laid people have had a positive sex life their whole lives you'll learn nothing by shutting down and ignoring the incels but i can say to the incels also you are really missing out if you're not willing to listen to us you know the sexy people what do you want to go what's the opposite of an incel you know i mean the people who are sexually self-confident and the people for whom either the rules in this society work like they work in our favor or they don't work like for us too maybe it's part of our tragedy but we've found a way to rise above it we found a way to thrive on it we found a way to thrive on that that misery and i mean certainly one of the most obvious blind spots it's not the topic of this video but you will find that incels adamantly refuse to believe that someone who is good-looking and who has had many sexual partners they adamantly refused to believe that their lives could be misery and could end in tragedy and could end in suicide and it's it's the most common thing i i knew people growing up who were actors and actresses who were models i knew all kinds of really good looking people their lives were totally miserable i mean we know really and you know some of them attempted suicide and some of them did commit suicide and others got into oth different kinds of self-destruct behavior i mean it's like it's such an obvious thing that obviously in cells won't they won't deny it um but they're tremendously reluctant to really take that on board because it relativizes this one thing that they've clung onto as the central tragedy of their lives and i am not disputing that like i'm sorry i'm digressing from my own script i haven't used a single point from the list i've made up so far but like you know again it's easy for me i've been to paris i've had gourmet food in paris i've been to beijing i've had gourmet food and fishing all vegan by the way all vegan food i've been to los angeles i've had gourmet food it's easy for me to keep scorn all this and say dude it's it's meaningless there's nothing there it's not even worth trying i'm being honest with you i feel like it is legitimately not worth trying the vegan doughnuts in los angeles or so you know [Laughter] my girlfriend's making a funny face she it's i'm speaking for myself look i'm uh i'm speaking for myself only some other people in this room some other people who have sex with me might not feel that way you know it's easy for me to say this is a relatively nice thing but like to ask someone who's either been a lifelong virgin someone who's never had a single relationship or someone who has had some sex in their life but it's all been marred by failure like they just haven't been able to have successful normal relationships and again maybe they've slept with prostitutes and you know this this kind of thing you know but people have been struggling with involuntary celibacy and who still are you know like it's very hard to say to them like don't you realize how important intelligence is like haven't you ever been in a situation where there's a beautiful woman who wants to sleep with you but she's too stupid so you reject her now a lot of these guys they will be furious if you try to have this this guy and by the way i'm saying this because my reason is to try to flip it around and say to them well don't you realize that for a lot of women they're judging you on things other than your appearance and by the way that makes it worse not better like if you think it feels bad to be rejected because you're short how do you feel about being rejected because you're stupid because you're stupid or you're ignorant or you're emotionally immature or you're unsophisticated like being rejected for mental and emotional characteristics it's not like well that feels great because at least i'm not short like no it's it's it's deeper and it's worse and the women are rejected you know yeah sometimes they're they're furious and and outraged and what have you you know what i mean but like you know to be able to take someone aside and and say that to them that's really like saying to someone who's so hung up on food whether because they're obese or you know whatever their food issues are whether it's compulsive eating or whatever to say to them yeah but don't you realize like food is just this really kind of minor trivial thing like as soon as you're not starving as you're healthy like above and beyond that necessity like this really doesn't mean that much they can't see it that way they can't get past this central tragedy in their life to put it in context to give it a sense of perspective so i've said this before we're gonna say this again it's very easy it's very easy to throw around this idea of perspective see things in perspective what does it mean to see things in perspective it means you can distinguish between what's big and small as opposed to what's really just too close to you things that seem enormous right because of their proximity because of your lack of distance your lack of detachment right that's seeing things in perspective just someone who's a compulsive eater this way or someone who's grown up in poverty and they always felt this sense of resentment that they weren't able to eat in a fancy french restaurant didn't even think about it actually my dad was like that you know my dad was all screwed up he grew up uh he had a single mom uh a single mom who was an employee at a steel factory uh so you know it was objectively a poor family whatever i say um but you know his mom was employed they weren't they weren't desperately poor but anyway uh you know and and he was always really screwed up about the difference between a restaurant with paper napkins and cloth napkins you know so he died just a couple years ago you know like today like in the 21st century a lot of the greatest restaurants have paper napkins like it's not but it's like no like you know he'd be so messed up with this like like he has to get revenge against the poverty he was raised in he has to get revenge against the world by eating in restaurants that have cloth neck you know he'd rather be in a restaurant where the food is terrible but it's more expensive and they got cloth napkins like you know he's on this uh yeah you know he's on a mission so you know i i just say um this was an interesting progression wasn't it you know okay it's impossible for someone who's who's basically successful in their love life to say to someone who's unsuccessful someone who's an incel who's black pilled who's on that spectrum to say to them look if you could get over this hang up on appearances you'd realize how important intelligence is how important ethical qualities are right and how important like just being interesting is finding someone interesting right but the point is and again it's hard i'm asking you to sympathize the point is you have to sympathize with the fact that they cannot get past the role that their own ugliness has played in their life their own appearance has played their life one way or another they exactly are the person who can't get past it just like a sort of compulsive eater someone with an eating disorder someone with one of these hang ups on food no they can't relativize they can't see it in perspective and that's their tragedy now i mean the good news is as i'm even indicating in the um as we vindicate the title of this video i think some really powerful and really meaningful uh cultural criticism has come out of this and that's why you know that's why that's why we all have a lot to learn from in cells i'm going to take a moment just read your comments guys um okay so i'm just asking myself how much you all want to digress to answer these these topics they answer these questions you guys these guys are erasing use guys there um because because i have a lot to say so vegan soldier says quote you live in the past tinder has changed the game close quote the next guy brendan williams says tinder has changed the game what percentage of women use tinder have you ever looked it up what percentage of women get married to a man they met on tinder i mean i'm sorry but you said tinder has changed the game now guys i'm not saying this to insult you i don't know how old you are i don't know what your educational background is okay i have a degree in political science that included the formal study of social science statistics and i have done work in a professional setting doing research and analysis of social science statistics you say tender has changed the game that's not it's not what the statistics show and as soon as i say that you all you guys are gonna you're gonna have to sigh or shrug because you all know this is true what's the single biggest difference between 1975 and 2015 just using consistent numbers [Music] one people get married later in life take your head out of your ass are you [ __ ] kidding me look up the age at which women got married in the age at which they had a kid back in 1975 and guess what in 1985 it's only a little bit different 1995 a little bit different again right what percentage of the population in 1975 was voluntarily celibate because of religious commitments by this measurement of religion the percentage population that is religious has plummeted okay now i'm gonna i'm gonna use a stereotype here okay if you went to an african-american charismatic church this is a bit of an old-fashioned term talk about charismatic protestantism you know it's meaning that it's a church with music and dancing and high level of entertainment so we can we can pick a sect it doesn't really matter and we're a protestant african american church if you went to that church in 1975 what percentage the people in that church were dead serious very serious about no sex before marriage and then were very serious about only having sex with the one person they were married to today 2021 if you go to the same church and people are all dressed up you know and i'm sorry but you can see you can see on youtube there are some famous rappers like puff daddy and whatever there are all kinds of rappers who go to these churches and it's part of their entertainment today and they seem very pious while they're in that church how many of those people remain celibate until marriage how many will be faithful to their wives or husbands or whatever you know okay you say tinder changed the game no it didn't tinder is a lagging indicator not a leading indicator okay and if you don't know the difference between a lagging indicator and a leading indicator that's why you don't understand how wrong you are it's saying that tinder changed the game right now let me say technologically tinder wasn't impossible in 1975 okay you could do everything tinder does by mimeo okay like you know it's it wasn't unattainable and you can actually look back at the way swingers swinger groups got organized and met up and had orgies back in the 1970s in case you didn't hear there was a lot of swinging in the 1970s i think it's i think it's debatable where there was more swinging in 1975 than there is in 2015 you know it's a time before aids before a lot of the the the you know um a lot of the concerns you know uh it's you know i understand technology made things faster and cheaper and you know i understand there are there are ways in which technology changed the world but really what we're talking about here is that the world changed and then certain technologies found ways to monetize that to exploit it you know um so no i i i completely understand i completely understand where you're coming from now again sorry i actually have a bunch of points here because i paid that i've made a list things i want to talk about i haven't gotten to uh yet um in an earlier video it's a two-hour long video so i understand nobody's going to watch it i understand so i talked about the difference between being attractive and being interesting and this is something if you are an incel in the audience if you're watching this i understand it's going to be the hardest thing in the world for you to think about because what the incense in cells will say right away is but if you're not attractive people won't even get to know you enough to find out that you're interested right okay so i'm gonna speak to you now assuming you're a heterosexual male if you're not use your imagination what i'm saying would be just as true if you change the genders and orientations for something okay if you are a heterosexual male how do you feel when some other heterosexual guy you don't know and you've never met before just comes up to you and starts talking to you for no reason you know you might feel creeped out you might wonder if he's gay and trying to sleep with you but like fundamentally you're just sitting there like why are you talking to me why why do i have to have this conversation what who are you like why do i and if you're a heterosexual male your response you you may find the guy creepy you may find him intrusive like what you know you just don't want to deal with them whatever it is you got in your mind you're walking the street you're thinking about what you've got to do do you think about something meaningful or meaningless right um but the way you react as a heterosexual male will have nothing to do with how attractive he is right you won't think like oh great this is a handsome guy talking to me oh gee this guy's ugly why is he talking no and i'm sorry to let you know if if you're heterosexual male and you do react based on the guy's appearance you may not be as heterosexual as you think you are right if if a dude talks to me right now you know um if you you know what does it mean to be interesting what does it mean for other people to find you interesting okay it may seem shallow it may seem like the shallowest thing in the world well it's not nearly as shallow as the difference between being attractive and being unattractive to someone right and if you're actually out there living a meaningful life doing meaningful important interesting things you know other people will find you interesting they will start talking to you they will start getting to know you even though you're ugly and no you know what maybe you won't get laid but you'll lead a meaningful life and you'll have other people who are part of it and so on and so forth you know what i mean so no i mean i'm not going to make any false promises here there is definitely the case you can you can meet up with a woman that way so i can give i can give specific examples but you're an ugly dude who becomes a chess champion and there's a good-looking woman and let's just say she knows you from the chess forums she doesn't know what you look like and then she meets you at a chess conference and she's excited to meet you because she's known about you for some time and you're hideously ugly you know i mean guess what this woman she can choose any other kind at the chest form it's true you know what you still you know sure appearance still matters i'm not i am not disagreeing with the with the black pill that way i'm just saying that if you have those kinds of experiences you're going to calibrate your understanding of how much appearance matters in a different way because you're going to see physical appearance in the context of people leading a meaningful life and really being interested in one another you know for many reasons okay so this was a this is part of my response to this thing about um tinder okay tinder both men and women react in a split second based just on seeing a photograph so i don't know if this is different for you guys where i am and on my phone i don't even see any text with tinder anymore it's just a picture yeah so like i'm not saying no now if you click a few times or you scroll down i'm not saying you can't see any text but in terms of like the way it displays it now so not all apps are the same that way i have a distant memory i haven't been single for all them but i remember in the past there being apps where you would get you get a little paragraph of text and a picture but like right now on twitter i'm sorry if this is different on iphone versus android or i don't know but right now it's just the picture it's just you know it's just one glimpse this person it's true tinder is the most extreme you know most disturbing example of people making a snap judgment in half a second just based on your parents it's absolutely true okay but guess what so i go to university all right and guys i'm moderately ugly okay i've got i've got what you'd call a lot of character okay do you have any idea how many women are attracted to me and come over and start talking to me get interested in me because of the sound of my voice and because i'm seeing something interesting in class no yes you can all jump in and say oh well that's cause you're not a three out of ten that's because you're not so ugly that they would it's completely true the black pill is not i'm not here to tell you the black pill is all wrong the question is what attitude you're going to take towards and what you're going to do with that but my point is you know the women i'm talking about coming over and talking to me and wanting to get to know me and some of them take me out for coffee and take me up for lunch this happened a bunch of times seven sorry i'm not gonna boast here but yeah i have tons of experience with women who are a perfect ten trying to initiate a relationship with me and this is part of what i was saying earlier and me shutting them down me refusing for like intellectual reasons like emotional reasons not in the sense of my emotions but like this woman's emotional character not being good enough for me like you know ethical reasons again the ethical reason being ethically this woman is not good enough for me you know what i have i have that kind of uh had that kind of experience so it's easy for me to say this right it's easy for me to say well your appearance is just one factor and the fact that you have a good voice and you have you know you have something intelligent to say and what you're saying that particular person finds interesting it's easy for me to present that as being a mix and i understand the position of the in cells is this is the central tragedy of their life you know they can't you know they can't get over it they can't cope with the fact that because of their appearance alone people won't talk to them won't listen to them won't give them a chance it's it's a legitimate it's legitimate thing but obviously they're being blinded to just a more nuanced and complex vision of how these things fit together and dude i get it if your idea of reality is tinder only i guarantee so the women i'm talking about the women who responded to me and god interested me after they heard me speaking they would have never been interested in me on the basis of my tinder profile never absolutely never would have happened none of them so is so look you know i i get it like the the like the black pill critique of tinder is real but you know and i am not even gonna say like tinder is not uh real life tinder is one part of real life tinder is not everything in real life and sorry i mean a lot of these stories i got i got to think about how i'm going to anonymize them there was one woman and i don't think she realized i was the same person she had turned down on tinder but there's one woman and she flirted with me and tried to get at me repeatedly in real life and she had you know she'd give me the thumbs down on twitter or whatever sorry yeah i'm sorry i'm saying twitter uh tim tinder sorry you know i i've you know uh it happens you know the point is why you know well the real life person she knows is interesting the photograph is not interesting right you don't fall in love with a photograph you fall in love with the whole person you know all this stuff all of a sudden and again i'm totally self-critical with this it's easy for me to say right for these dudes for this you know black pill in cell community they don't have any of that experience they can't see it in that context and they can't see they can't even counter balance the importance of their appearance to the importance of you know being interesting being intelligent you know these other things and sorry and by the way guys some of you might jump in and say oh well being interesting is subjective being intelligent is subjective that's a subjective judgment you're goddamn right you know you're right you're right and there's no way you can strive to be objectively intelligent or objectively interesting you have to strive to lead a meaningful life on your own terms and then you find out what women or what men also you know uh you know find you they share your values they share your interests they find that interesting too they value being intelligent in the way that you're you're intelligent okay so there's a guy in the audience and i'm assuming you are an incel so shout out to goofestos go festos welcome to my welcome to my livestream so confess those i understand i understand your frustration and i think you're ignoring the extent to which i've been sympathizing with people who are in your position i'm criticizing your position but i'm criticizing it with some new sympathy okay um [Music] so you asked the question if a woman could sleep with 10 very attractive men why would they fall in love with why would they get married to an ugly guy you haven't asked them have you you don't have that kind of real life experience like on some level you know you know that's reality on planet earth have you been to a beach like you see beautiful women with ugly husbands or ugly boyfriends or ones who are much uglier than they hypothetically could do all the time and if you actually were friends with those women which no offense you're not and i can tell from your attitude you're not i mean you're never going to be friends with those women they're never going to hang out with you they're never going to be your friends no offense if you knew beautiful women who have a lot of options they would tell you about why they made the choices in their life that they did now this is a hundred percent equal for for men i know so many examples of dudes who are like bodybuilders dudes who are gorgeous can i say gorgeous but i mean dudes who are objectively good-looking and they're with these hideous women where i think like whoa like i don't want to think i'm shallow but if i was with her i'd feel really bad about myself like i you know my own self-esteem would suffer you know being with someone i feel that way all the time about really really good-looking dudes who are with ugly women but if you talk to them if you find out what their perspective is and why they're why they're into this particular woman or why they're or what the story is for how the relationship developed you know their their humanity matters too their perspective matters too right now like again uh guffestas if i may you know already here there's a dehumanizing judgment built into the way you've stated this objection right you're assuming every woman wants to sleep with 10 different guys like you don't know that many women like i've known a lot of women who like in their whole life they didn't even want to sleep with five guys like their objective in life was to settle down and get married and have kids and have like it's true i don't know if i really have known women who wanted to have like one sexual partner for their own life i know i know plenty did i know plenty of women were they only had one sexual product for their whole life but like the assumption that women are trying to get a maximum body count with a maximum number of of attracted you don't know women bro you know and now again so there's there are a lot of kind of self-fulfilling prophecies here if you only look at women who are on tinder right it's funny so i'm 42 years old but like with the women my own age like the self-selecting minority you're going to see on on tinder it's even more extreme right so how many like so just think there's the total population of humanity what kind of woman at age 42 is like super lean super fit and asks her friend to hold the camera while she poses and does like revealing you know poses in revealing a tire in like a like let's say it's like a wet dress that's clinging to her body so that she can post that on tinder right that's not a typical 42 year old woman it's not an average 40 kilo woman it's like the same with nightclubs if your idea of normal is the women you will meet wearing body paint in a nightclub wearing skin tight spandex and body paint in a nightclub at two o'clock in the morning it's not normal it's not average it's not a social science statistic right so you know those women exist and their perspective on life is out there too but like a lot of the in-cell resentment obviously not all not all i do like i've been saying sorry if you guys just joined for half an hour i've been saying sympathetic things but you know um part of the resentment is the assumption that what is most enjoyable in life what's most meaningful what's most most rewarding is precisely having anonymous no strings attacks attached sex pregnancy they assume that the most rewarding thing in life is to have anonymous no strings attached sex with a stranger they met on this phone app tinder or it's to go and get drunk and effortlessly sleep with an objectively good-looking woman at a nightclub right and they're wrong they're mistaken now it's true a very small percentage of people live that way it is what percentage people even go to nightclubs but people who go to nightclubs regularly and sleep around it's a very small percentage of women it's really a subculture it's just as ridiculous to judge that as normal as to look at like cosplay people are into dressing up like japanese cartoon characters and be like well this is just human nature this is here's here is the here is homo sapiens in its natural habitat as you can see here we have a natural evolved instinct to dress up in the clothing of characters we saw in childhood cartoons and then to get drunk and have oral sex with one another yes as you can see by going to many cosplay conventions you can see the full range of human behaviors no no and i mean what i'm saying and speaking from my own experience here but it's way closer to what's normal where i say look there are women who would never give me a chance who would never show any interest to me if they saw me on this app tinder but they hear me speak like including uh hearing me give a lecture i've given tons of lectures live in my life i stand up in front of an audience and i give a lecture i speak on some topic and there are women who are interested in me see i mean you guys can imagine if you guys don't know i'm vegan i've never done this once in my life uh hopefully i never will by the way so william is amused by my thing about cosplay i have made i have made one youtube video about the sexuality of cosplay uh conventions i have anyway but you know you guys can imagine i'm vegan if i go to a vegan conference and probably the five guys who spoke before me they're all wet blanket milk toast boring things and then i get on the microphone and i and i reach out to that audience and i say look guys i'm here to save the world i don't know what these other [ __ ] are doing on this microphone i don't know why they're wasting your time i don't know why you came here i came here to save planet earth and here's what i got if i come and i give a super super dominant [Laughter] lecture to the island's way there are women in that crowd who will want to sleep with me they never would have dreamt of it seeing me on see me on tinder right so what am i saying this is the solution your problems no no i'm not am i saying the black pill is wrong no no i'm not i'm just saying you have to look at a factor like physical attraction like like like beauty you have to see it in this kind of relativized context it's just one factor out of many so again i want to just reaching out to people in the audience i am responding to what you guys are saying even though i'm not quoting you directly right but also uh this refers back to something i said earlier okay i can remember two very different women in my life and these were years apart okay and i would say both of these women were a perfect ten if you've seen my videos with this i'm not into rating people on a scale of one to ten i say everyone is either a zero or a ten okay both of these women were ten and they were both pursuing me okay and not at the same time so what what what did they have in common they believed in ghosts if you think physical appearance is all that matters some other guy when they were talking to one of these women like i can imagine some dude some dude who just wants to sleep with anyone or some dude who's who's desperate or somebody i mean all you gotta say back to the ones oh yeah baby yeah you know ghosts yeah uh tell me what you believe and then i'm gonna rephrase it and say it back to you as if i believe it too like you know you can just you could just pretend to be interested in the same crap there too you can pretend to believe the same things they believe you can pretend to have so much respect for that like dude you know both those women say ghosts i'm out i'm sorry but like who you are intellectually who you are emotionally like in so many ways right i check out it's like no this woman doesn't have a chance anymore right so now again easy for me to say right there are in cells you've never had that kind of smooth there will be in cells who watch this video even though like two or three of you like i'm not saying this video is going to reach a ton of people but there will be in cells who watch this video and they're sitting there burning saying man you know i wish i had been in this guy's position i wish just once in my life there was a woman who was a perfect ten and she was trying to get me and so what if she's a little bit kooky so what if she's a little bit so what if she says she has literally seen ghosts and she believes in ghosts like i can make it work like if you know if that's if that's your attitude or if that's the way you've lived your whole life that's how you feel i get it so you can't relate to where i'm coming from but this is why you need to sympathize with my position because what i'm saying to you is the same way i judged those women that's how women are judging you right and you don't even realize it because you're so hung up on this appearance then so just one example but this is deep this is deep and it should be taken seriously i already shouted out this channel in the in the description i showed it to this channel that's just called incel tv okay so i haven't seen every single video on his channel but in prepping for this video i think i saw everyone that mentions elliot roger so if i'm wrong or wrong it's possible there's another video okay so if you don't know who elliot roger is he was an incel who was very unhappy with his life he attempted to commit mass murder and then he committed suicide he was not he didn't really kill very many people but his plan was because he wrote his when he was trying to kill a huge number of people and be be remembered forever as a as a mass murderer okay so that was that was who that guy was all right the way this other youtube channel which in my opinion is the best in-cell youtuber i think he's the most sincere i think he's the most substantive i think some of the things he says are profound cultural commentary but his whole approach to the analysis of elliot roger is just to look at his face and to compare his face his facial features to better looking men and to attribute his problems in life to his face are you [ __ ] kidding me all right like guys no offense no offense if you've been watching this for 45 minutes if my brain had somehow been transplanted into elliot rogers body do you have any idea how much [ __ ] i could have gone do you know i have any idea how many women will be lining up to [ __ ] me if i look like elliot are you [ __ ] kidding me you think his problem was his face really all the same [ __ ] i've just been saying about meeting women are you kidding me elliot roger was formally diagnosed as autistic he had autism he was also dishonest as hell like you can't trust what he says from his perspective you have to go compared to what other people say because he describes situations and like well guess what there were other witnesses to what actually happened that day and you know whether that's because he was insane or dishonest or whatever doesn't matter okay um you know if you look at elliot roger and you think this guy's problem in life was his face right this really reflects a pretty deep level of self-delusion and deception this this would be like someone's understandable someone who's totally obsessed with food totally stuck on binge eating or something where they attribute all of their own problems and all of someone else's problems to food even if you're saying well look yeah you know like this guy is fat but his real problem is that he's autistic like you know i'm sorry but the autism is such a fundamental problem someone who is by medical definition mentally [ __ ] you know you don't think that's a problem if you have any doubt if you have any doubt that autism is an issue how would you as a man feel about having a relationship with a woman who was autistic you don't think that'd be a problem for you so like you don't think it was a problem for women who who may have been attracted to elliot roger like just on a facial level but as soon as they start talking to the guy they realize one he's a completely ignorant video game addict shut in who has no interesting experiences in life he's terrible at conversation he's terrible at making i contact you and there's just there's something wrong with this guy you know guess what we all found out with time there was a lot wrong with this guy i mean he had violent tendencies and and everything else right you know like i just say like it's so glaringly obvious that there are intellectual and emotional aspects to this year game right but the in-cell response is to fasten onto and obsess over appearance because that's all they care about in themselves and that's all they care about in women too you know it's it's based on a dehumanization of women you know as the german phrase goes you know v du di veltan shout uh social siddiq you know like they look on the world this way this dehumanization of women and then you know it reflects back on them their their theirs their analysis of themselves you know and the uh it fits into the same terms they fit their analysis of themselves into the same categories that they apply um in the analysis of other women so as you take take a minute to just look at your comments so sorry for the dead air has to go silent for a minute well i uh you know so brandon william brandon williams makes a totally well intentioned uh comment brandon williams says quote i think lots of people's issues in the black pill phenomenon stem from a lack of exposure to the appropriate things and getting jaded over some women's ability to choose a quote unquote party phase close quote um okay but brennan you know some people are black-pilled because they're black-pilled you know what i mean some people are never gonna have sex some people are never gonna get married they're never gonna fall in love they're never gonna succeed some people are never going to overcome their problems like even if they could they won't like even if you and i can sit here and look at a specific person and come up with a series of steps undertake where they could get over their phones where they won't right so i've had friends who were anorexic have i had any friends who were massively overweight i guess yeah don't give away too much i tried to anonymize my friends there uh yeah i mean i i guess i guess yo oh yeah yeah the guy in kunming yeah so he was he was like he was way over 300 he was really like he was this i knew this guy he was so fat like he literally he sat in a chair and broke it in front of me was a huge chair too you know yeah yeah i mean he was that far gone you know and walking upstairs okay so yeah i have had friends who were anorexic and i have had friends who were who were massively overweight you know so if they were black-pilled the fat guy was to to be honest he was he he only slept with prostitutes you know i've i've known different men who had gone that version of the black pill where they only slept with prostitutes they gave up on having real relationships what do you think i'm gonna sit here and like offer a critique of their ideology like as if as if they're wrong like eve like okay so with that guy you could say oh well you could just lose 200 pounds and get a better attitude and like change your whole personality oh yeah everything that makes you distinctively who you are just just change that it's not it's not working for you you know you know and what i mean is it's not working for me so oh yeah and that whole thing all your personal sorrow and broken heart and disappointment yeah you just just no just you know like the point is even if hypothetically you you and i could sit here and criticize that fat friend i had or you know one of my one of my anorexic friends like what are you gonna say to them well just stop being anorexic well you just stop just i mean the point is they can't stop you know the compulsive eaters can't stop eating the compulsive bulimics can't stop vomiting whatever you know and a lot of these other things what are you gonna do are you gonna say to elliot rogers stop being autistic like you know it's it's a mean so no i mean there are people who are black build because they're black build because they're black built and like there's a sense in which no matter how wrong they are in the application of this analysis you know there's still another sense in which they're right because they're telling you you know out of their own sorrow and experience in life that they haven't gone late and they're never gonna get laid nothing's gonna get better and and they know they know their own story they've they've achieved some level of self-knowledge where they look at their life and they admit to themselves it's not going to get better and they are not going to get better and i'm not going to sit here and say that they're wrong you know all right so one guy in the audience turn vol says that his mother and sister both believe in ghosts and heaven and in reincarnation all three and he says that he's single while they are not but he wouldn't make that [Laughter] trade um okay so last things first here you know most people are experts in their own lives so it's very hard to accept that it's hard for people who are therapists who are psychiatrists everyone wants to pretend that they're an expert in someone else's life and no one wants to start a discussion from the position of humble detachment of really saying look you know your life better than i do right um and it's very difficult to talk to someone who is an embittered suicidal violent incel and to start from the premise look you are an expert in your own life if nothing else like i am gonna give you credit for knowing your own sorrow and your own misery and i am gonna take what you tell me seriously if you tell me that your life is hopeless i'm not going to say back to you no it's not there are lots of things you know no and of course these guys they've suffered so much because that's what their parents do to them right like their parents hear themselves oh oh no it's not hopeless you still have lots of opportunities you can still have lots of ways to get it you know they're telling you that you're like that their own life is hopeless and you have to be willing to to take it seriously now i gotta tell you something my problem in life has not been attracting women and note that i put the emphasis on attractant all my life lots of women want to start a relationship with me like the attraction phase being meeting and the spark and the first movement right now of course it's incredibly hard for me to find someone who really has enough in common with me intellectually to to live a life with me frankly even for two weeks like i'm starting whatever some you know it doesn't matter how gorgeous someone is like you know to just spend two weeks with someone to really share your life with someone for two weeks requires a lot of intellectual emotional and ethical compatibility let's say attracting women has never been my problem but i can sympathize with this aspect of the in-cell tragedy because you know everything else in my life every other problem people want to dismiss it and shut me down in the same way so this is one my girlfriend will be able to relate this early you know for years people would say to me wow you're brilliant wow you know so much about this subject while you've done so much research or so much hard work you should be in a phd program you should get a phd and i would say to them and this happened many many times many conversations you know no i thought about that for years i looked into it i researched it i spoke to all the professors in the field but you know it's it's hopeless there is absolutely no way for me to move ahead with my career in education i get a phd it's actually impossible for me and every time you know people would come back to you and throw it in your face this way right like people would uh people would dismiss me and denigrate me and shut me down the same way they shut down in cells like when an incel says to someone that they're fundamentally too ugly and maybe too awkward like too bad at speaking and socializing that they're just you know there are three out of ten and they can never possibly you know get with any women unless it's with prostitutes they find denigrating they don't want to do it so they're just living in in celibacy and they're miserable about it it's so easy for people to say back no no no you're wrong you know no no like you know no you have lots of options you have lots of opportunities so people have said that sort of thing to me in my life again and again the phd thing is a great example and these are people they've never done five minutes of research on how to get into a phd program on buddhism for example i did research on buddhism for like 10 years you know they've never done five minutes of research into what it takes to get ahead in uh korean ojibwe language studies i've been in a bunch of different fields i've done research and where people said i was brilliant and encouraged me to to get ahead this way and they want to act like they're an expert in my life and my struggle and you know so no it's interesting but when you really think about what sympathy entails when you really think about what empathy entails it means we have to start with a kind of generosity of spirit where i'm willing i'm willing to take what you tell me seriously um i'm willing to treat you as an expert you know uh in your own life in your own sorrow and your own struggle i'm not gonna presume to have more expertise than you do about why it is that your life has come to this point has come to this this tragedy this sense of hopelessness um now look i can argue against my own uh position uh here guys so chickpeas in the audience says quote yeah you just gotta agree with them offer compassion sympathy and empathy close quote but look chickpeas black-pilled people are still black-pilled because they're black built like that you know i'm arguing against my own position here all the sympathy in the world won't actually solve their problems and it won't even make them feel better about it you know so shout out to the couple of in cells we got in the audience i don't know if the other guy got so furious that he that he left already but you know if you want to share this link in the reddit groups that talk about uh in-cell issues i know i'll get hate mail but do it because you know if i if 100 people come over from a reddit group for insells or from a discord group or if you want to share the link or a twitter page if a hundred people click on the link and come here and 90 percent of them hate it and give it a thumbs down i'm still happy because like 10 of them are going to really learn something and really benefit from it and that's that's always been my approach to you know sharing information sharing philosophy frankly you know on the internet and sharing cultural criticism you know i'm not out here playing for a mass audience you know i'm trying to help the people who can be helped so anyway but yeah as in like look so chickpeas thanks for replying but look i'm saying you have to have compassion for the n cells you have to have empathy and so and so forth for your own sake like it's for my dignity it's because it's the right thing to do i don't have the delusion that i'm actually helping them i don't have the delusion that i'm solving their problem through my compassion or sympathy you know i mean um they're black pill because they're black people because they're black filled and and there are going to be real reasons there and by the way sorry like just uh just to give an example you talk about this thing like like appearance versus being interesting and you know appearance versus intelligence and issues like people being uh people having uh autism and and other serious problems you know have you ever have you ever talked to and again in cells you may have never done this have you ever uh approached a beautiful woman and like at a distance she looks beautiful and you start talking to her and then she has some kind of weird twitch like she has like a problem with her nervous system she has a compulsive you know twitching like i'm just saying like and maybe you don't know why maybe sorry i said it's because of her nervous system you don't know is this a psychological problem is this a health problem does this indicate she's she really has an illness like she had an illness that's killing her right now she could be dying of cancer for all you know like i'm sorry but i'm using this kind of really crude gross obvious problem because it's not appearance like someone can be gorgeous but they believe in ghosts you know you can people can be gorgeous but they're stupid people can be gorgeous but they're mean so i did want to come back to this so this this isn't where i'd plan to come back to but i said earlier i really do sympathize with these other youtube channels including uh in cell tv i sympathize with them when they say that they were lied to by their own parents that they were lied to by psychiatrists they were lied to by therapists and they were lied to by religious leaders they were lied to in the church or if they're muslim they're lied to the mosque where people told them you know the most important thing is just to be kind like nobody cares if you're ugly if you're kind okay i sympathize i totally understand how heartbreaking it is for them to grow up and get disillusioned and realize the extent to which they rely to another black girl but let me tell you something i have rejected women who are perfect 10 because they were not kind okay there are women who are gorgeous and they're mean and they can't get with me and they get rejected and shut down because they weren't kind enough because they weren't caring enough so even that even that example where i think broadly speaking like the in cells are right like i think the incels are offering a really meaningful critique of muslim culture of christian culture even as i say they're like these asian american in cells they're like chinese guys born and raised in america ethnically chinese people who are offering a critique of asian immigrant i think that's really interesting to talk about the lies your parents told you and how reality is different from ideology great that's meaningful but even this extreme example where i think i think you know uh the insults are broadly speaking right there's still a really important sense in which you're wrong because kindness matters and it matters for women it matters for hot women imagine really attractive women and it matters for handsome men and it matters for ugly men too just uh give an example you know um uh you know who gets laid a lot in this life tattoo artists you know why not because they do tattoos because they get to practice sitting and having a conversation with someone you know before after and during the tattoo and really being caring and really being kind when you're performing the act of tattooing when you're drawing attention they're in a lot of pain you know and when they come to you and they you know they're they're getting the consultation about what kind of tattoo they're gonna get you're talking through them you have to be reassuring you have to be kind when you're actually performing the tattoo they're in pain and you know you have to be kind you know and there may be aftercare they come back with a problem the tattoo gets infected like it may not be the most efficient world but tattoo artists are actually practicing the skills all the time that both men and women are looking for in a partner they're looking for someone who can be kind and caring and loving etc you know now they also just talk to a lot of people okay well how does that compare to you [ __ ] how does that compare to playing call of duty modern warfare on your playstation 4 for six hours a day how does that compare to playing pokemon for your whole childhood and then you grow up and you put on a [ __ ] costume dress up like a pokemon character and you go to a cosplay convention and you can't understand why none of these women want to sleep with you you can't understand why nobody on tinder wants to to sleep with you so like even this example where the in cells are like 80 right or 90 right there's still like a significant percentage in which they're wrong and they're showing how blind they are to the importance of of kindness you know um i've experienced that in a few different a few different cultures you know the issue with women not be kind like it's very different if you talk about chinese women being mean or lotion or thai women being mean or something and there is a thing in some cultures where women are kind of mean to you to show they want you in some really screwed up sense or something but you know i remember this is before i was with melissa i remember a very good-looking middle-aged woman so i gotta say she's a 10. and if in case you think i mean okay any woman who gets to like her 30s or 40s and is still that good looking and still that that thin they have even more options because they're way more scarce like there are more women who are in shape and attractive earlier so she'd gotten to a later age she was still really attractive and um we had a bunch of things in common like veganism some i'm not gonna there were reasons for us to be talking not not just attraction whatever and you know she was really mean to me she was really cruel and i didn't get upset and i you know i don't know what extent she was like you know testing me or you know i don't know if this was like a strategy on her part or something but you know i remember just saying to her because she was like the same age i was i think just be honest i think she was a couple years old i forgot i think she was going based on i remember saying to her like look you know i'm divorced i have a daughter like so this was this is like after when i was like explaining why i wasn't interested in her i would never want you in the same room as my daughter like you're really mean like i don't think i said it in those terms like i said but i said it very similar you know you're not a kind person you're not kind you're not caring and yeah i'm going into this really expecting a very high level of of kindness and caring so just saying most people never say that most people most people never explain to you why they reject you they never have a conversation after the flirtation ends or the thing doesn't work normally it doesn't it doesn't happen but you don't think there are women who feel that way about men like this guy is mean this guy is not kind he's not caring this is not something like maybe the woman is a single mom this is a guy i'd never want to be around my kid women feel that way all the time you don't think women felt that way about elliot roger like this is a really mean demented screwed up guy who spends all his time playing video games that involve shooting and stabbing people or whatever you know what do you know he's not nice guy so you know again like we have to have sympathy for the incels but the in-cells may really not realize how important it is for them to have sympathy for us for our perspective and guys you know fundamentally you want to live in our world like the sexy people aren't knocking on the door trying to get into the in-cell world right like if there's a bridge between two islands it's all the people on your island it's all the people on the black pill in cell island you want to come over the bridge and join our island and live with the the sexy people the people who are getting laid and having meaningful relationships and who are happy with their lives in that way the rest of your life may be a tragedy right so like you know yeah you do have to you do have to uh sympathize with way uh where we're coming from anyway guys i'm letting this conversation go on in the in the chat i don't know what well it is what it is i mean you know you don't need anyone who's willing to listen to me talk is willing to is uh welcome to post their opinion and we get we get to hear contrasting uh contrasting uh perspectives this way you know so this is this is taking inspirations instead so someone just uh commented that veganism is a privilege okay how about being blue-pilled what if being blue-pilled is a privilege you know so what like yeah you're right you know what yeah i own this i only look at my privilege bro yo check out how privileged now this is beautiful i don't even know if this costs 10 bucks yeah but yeah look at this beautiful look look bro look at my privilege bro look bro look bro i got jars i got jars yo bro joe yo yo check out my privilege yo yo man yeah this is like oregano man bro i got all kinds of jars bro yeah yeah you know what oh oh like dude dude i got kettle privilege and guys i'm not i know what it's like to live a life where you ain't got no jars and you ain't got no kettle and all your possessions fit in a backpack and you don't know where you're gonna be two or three months from now or whatever i know what it's like to to live rough bro yeah bro what is this how would you describe this color uh seafoam green okay agree to disagree yeah and i got a girl who disputes the color of my kettle with me like bro yeah i got all kinds of privilege bro so what do i do with my privilege oh i'm vegan i'm not gonna deny there's a level of privilege you need to be vegan of course so what bro okay if you had enough privilege to be blue pilled if you had enough privilege to live that better life that you resent others would you do it or like would you out of privilege be black-pilled but you know like what's the point what's the point of your uh yeah it's got i don't mind these guys are cracking me up that's good man invite more insults to join the chat share the link and i mean after this after this live stream ceases to be live i'd be totally happy if this uh if this gets out too gets up to an audience 90 of whom hate it because the other 10 will really benefit from from hearing the set yeah all right so um okay i do think another deep meaningful part of the in-cell critique of mainstream culture is just insisting on the overweening importance of physical appearance and beauty in our lives in 21st century so i agree with that critique because i'm also morally opposed to it i have made videos recently talking about this from pardon me from other perspectives uh the video with andrew cuomo in the title the critique of the morality of andrew cuomo it talks a lot about the contrast between like hiring someone because they're beautiful as opposed to hiring someone because they're qualified so that's a great video it's also like an hour-long discussion of that but check out the andrew cuomo video uh for for some more reflections on that i do think that's a really deep really meaningful really necessary part of the in-cell discourse and of the black pill discourse and they're agonized about it because what they have to say is their own parents lied to them about this their school teachers lied to them about this the religious uh leaders lied about this you know appearances do matter and so many things in our society are decided on the basis of sex appeal that shouldn't be now i want to tell a short story here my girlfriend melissa who is a good-looking woman in the prime of her life she's a 10. she is no no no okay so look so so you want to blush you think melissa's not a ten look babe you know so there's a subjective 10 and there's an objective right like to me she's a 10. what okay so let's get into this real brief what does it mean for someone to subjectively be a 10 out of 10 and then what does it mean for them to be objectively attentive okay she's subjectively a tenant of ten because i'm willing to embarrass myself to initiate a relationship with her i'm willing to take risks to initiate a relationship with him right so now like when i say that obviously in real life it could just be like you have a co-worker and you like them but you don't like them enough to like risk getting fired or screwing up your job situation or having to quit you know to start a relationship like you don't like them enough maybe even to invite them out to lunch and let them know how much you okay well then they're not a 10. subjectively they're not because if they were a 10 you'd say [ __ ] this job you know you know you know like they're things more important than your job right you say look you're if you really think this is someone you can love and be in a relationship with us your life they're a perfect end to you that's that's a 10. so you know the subjective 10 has to do with am i willing to get out of my comfort zone am i willing to really take risks or make sacrifices to be with the person so to me to me she's a 10 but the object so that's the subjective measurement the objective measurement is way easier which is that in any social context in any workplace or in like a university where there are a couple hundred students around there would be multiple men vying for your attention at any yes absolutely it's absolutely true so you know i mean like if if you know if you go back to university to learn chinese or something if you go back to university there will be multiple guys circling around and figuring out now if they know you're married if they know of course that's different of course that's different but the point is in the absence of that information yeah so that's an objective ten period right so everybody is either a zero or a ten in my opinion that's also why i sympathize with these black pill guys you know like i i get it when they say they're a three out of ten i'm only disagreeing saying no you're a zero you know i'm sorry but like my judgment is even more harsh nope either you're either you're a zero or a ten bro there's no in between so i like i'm in that specific respect i am more black built than than blackville you know what i mean um anyway so look melissa is a good looking woman in the prime of her life and she has been considering getting a career in the stock market okay now i say has been she seems less interested in today than she was six months ago but you know maybe maybe in the next six months you know it's not clear how uh it's not clear how how interesting she is in that court so i was looking around on the internet i would i forget exactly what i was googling i might have been googling specific colleges she can study at or program something related to this and i got an unrelated google search result and it was a good-looking young woman who looked similar to melissa not like a striking resemblance but like you know what i mean like you know somewhat similar looking woman in the same time of life and she was apparently already an accomplished stock market analyst with a position on one of these tv stations presenting her analysis of what's happening in the subway so i thought oh you know what i'll do like just to encourage my girlfriend to encourage melissa i'm gonna google this woman i'm gonna look up her like her linkedin profile like her resume her cv i'm gonna i'm gonna where did she go to college or like what credentials did she get you know like what you know did she so there if you guys don't know about the stock market there are specific special courses you can take specific credentials you get just you don't you don't have to go to university for it you can just take these specialized of course so i look this woman up and it's so it's so black pill you know and what you find is she had no credentials she had no work experience she had no interest in the stock market or economics whatsoever she was just a good-looking actress who was hired for this job to present herself as a stock market analyst just because of her appearance just because of her sex appeal i wouldn't she wasn't that good i'm sorry if she wasn't she wasn't like amazingly gorgeous but like you look at that and you think you know okay they're two perspectives that some people look at that and say well you know what i feel that that's okay for the weather reporter on the news you know the woman who reads out the weather presents you with the sun look it's okay to hire the weather reporter just on the basis of being sexy or attractive but i don't feel that's okay for the economist for the stock market that should be someone who has education experience you know okay but the the other person that's one perspective my perspective is i don't even accept it for the weather reporter you know like i think you should hire an ugly person who actually is an expert in meteorology or climate change or something you should hire someone of real substance with real ability to be the to be the weather reporter the weather journalist because they are the best person at that job not because of how sexy they're on camera and i think you should hire the economics expert and so on too so yeah i just made that was one of those black pill notes so i have a whole other video talking about that the extent to which people are even hired as lawyers like people are hired for really powerful positions in politics and everything else on the basis of how attractive they are and you know bank tellers and everything else and it sickens me i think it's a really fundamental evil in our society and it seems like the in cells are the only people who care about it i mean the feminists don't care why isn't there look seriously no so the next example i give will will you know uh drive this home you know what i'm saying so look i got complaints that i'm not interacting with the chat look homie you have to interact with me i don't have to keep up with you you have to keep up with me homie you have to write stuff that's worthwhile for me to respond to that's on my level i don't have to come down to your level and let me say this is not twitch you are you accustomed to twitch streamers you think i'm going to sit here and jiggle and give half sentence responses to what you guys say no no homie if you want to talk to a balacial if you want to talk on about yell you rise to about a sales level about what's hell does not sink down to the level of complaints in the chat so look at this cool but i'm glad to see you guys are glad to see you guys are hashing it out okay so i got i got a name for you here if you don't know what i'm talking about you can google this real real quick all right emma vigeland that's how i've heard it pronounced if it's actually pronounced vigeland or something i apologize emma vigilant okay this is the most black pilling example on planet earth and it it demonstrates that the feminists don't give a [ __ ] about this okay if you've ever watched emma wiggle and talk about politics you probably have the sense that she's a bimbo you probably have the sense that she's an airhead you probably have a sense that she's not intelligent she's not well informed she hasn't done any research she doesn't have any background and you may ask yourself how did this person come to such a position of prominence and influence in the world and very briefly emma vigeland she used to just do short segments for the left wing news commentary youtube show the young turks now she does long format like more than an hour long discussions like uninterrupted one-hour monologue talking about politics and her low level of intelligence acumen research experience it really shows emma vigeland was hired as an intern straight out of her ba she had no uh educational accomplishments she had no career behind her she's never been intelligent i'm going to live here and say i have never heard her i have never heard her say anything intelligent or insightful once in her broadcasting career it seemed like from day one she was a pretty face and everyone just tolerated her because of her pretty face and there have been many many scandals and conflicts created by her saying things that were unbelievably stupid or unbelievably irresponsible now again i'm not going to like footnote this i'm not i'm not going to go out now and watch 10 hours of her tape and like clip together for you emma vigeland being an airhead emma big one being stupid emma big one being up being a bimbo okay but if you know i mean you can google her right now there are a thousands there are thousands of women who could do that job better than her of course there are thousands of men who could do that job better than her you know what i mean but like you know like is this what it's come to in our culture like we care so much about physical beauty and let's let's be careful with some of them i can't even say physical beauty it's really just sexual attraction isn't it it's just sexuality it's not even beauty right that what you want is this i mean it's a bit of a misuse of this this kind of nubile uh new new graduate from university i assume she was a teenager when she graduated being recruited by jank wieger the head of tyt like so you don't care how stupid or pointless or brain-dead the news commentary is as long as the person is attracted like you know it's deeply disturbing to me it's not just a little bit disturbing to me it's extremely profoundly disturbing to me and i i would i would like it so much more if there were someone you know really hideously ugly but who actually like researched the political history of afghanistan before sitting down to do a broadcast on it you know so i just say that's one of those things where it's not about right or wrong even if the incels are wrong they're presenting an analysis and critique of our society that's really important and you know like the majority of the audience for emma vigilant the majority of the audience for tyt the young turks the majority are feminists if feminists had a problem with this like over the last 10 years right we would have heard it we would have seen it if there had been activism from feminists saying look why don't you hire a 65 year old woman i'm not even saying she's ugly but the 65 year old woman who doesn't have this kind of sex appeal of an 18 year old or something who's just graduate of college hire a 65 year old woman who actually has some depth and some some expertise you know what i mean you know um there has never been that kind of demand it seems to me that feminists just as much as the right wing except living in this kind of highly sexualized economy this economy where beauty and sex appeal is given given such overweening importance above and beyond uh intellectual intellectual potential intellectual accomplishments just knowledge depth you know what whatever it is you know i i'm sorry obviously obviously i could say more um [Music] well i'll repeat very briefly something i said earlier in the video if you think it hurts being rejected for not being attractive enough you probably haven't thought through just how much it hurts to be rejected for not being intelligent enough you know so i'm not saying the world would be a kinder gentler place if people like emma viglund were evaluated because their intellectual capacity emotional depth et cetera et cetera their knowledge their capability their acumen their conversancy with the facts and something you know in many ways the world would be just as nasty and brutal or worse because you'd be making judgments about people that are that are deeper and more more cutting right but you know yeah the in-cells are right to complain that we live in a world where to a shocking extent even on the stock market even in the feminist left-wing political news people are being judged and being hired for for their appearance in a way that's that's really inappropriate and is profoundly corrupting and profoundly demoralizing uh to society as a whole and to all of us okay now here's the problem here's the problem with the black pill perspective uh with the impel in cell perspective and i think that this is the sense in which we can counter oppose the white pill to the black pill so you don't see that term you know uh used as much so conceding that appearances are so important that handsomeness beauty and sexiness conceding that they are so important in some areas of competition does not mean that they're important in all areas of competition right so what next why can't you get motivated to compete in the areas where you can win or because again i am admitting some people are black pilled for the right reasons some people know how ugly they are or they know how mentally disabled they are like they know what they know they have a stutter or they can't go they know they have problems you know you can compete in areas where you can win and you can compete in areas that are so meaningful that it will still be rewarding for you to compete even if you lose right so this comes back to what i said whatever an hour ago now where i was talking about the fact that the n cells um they perceive sexual competition on a mobile phone app like tinder as if it's the most meaningful thing they perceive sex between strangers at a nightclub as if it's the most meaningful thing as opposed to seeing it as the most meaningless thing and even something kind of disgusting and disturbing most of us most of the sexy people most of us people who've had successful relationships and a successful sex life we look down on like sleeping around with strangers at a nightclub we look down on you know getting hooking up with randoms on on tinder like that's not the most highly esteemed form of sexuality but the point is in terms of discerning what's meaningful from what's meaningless you know yes people who've taken the black pill are correct that they can never go to a nightclub and just have random strangers when i say i agree with you right but the white pill answer is to say there are more meaningful competitions than going to a nightclub and if you can't find any competition that works for you you can start your own you know so the most fundamental problem is actually passivity and i think most in cells would agree that they are fundamentally passive character types rather than rather than active creative characters their people were really instigating you know something new so you know i had a very different conversation with a friend of mine so i have a friend who has experience doing humanitarian work his experience is in emergency medicine uh you know so helping people who have bullet wounds and broken legs this kind of emergency medicine yeah and he was telling me that he applied um to cooperate with med san francis so this is uh doctors without borders it's a large charity he applied to work with this charity and he was rejected he failed right so you know what i wrote back to him i would assume it surprised them but i said to him look man you you gotta [ __ ] have your head examined why are you at this age at this stage in your life why are you looking to work for somebody else at all you have to create your own charity you have to be your own boss like you have to initiate you have to take the initiative and you have to take on the responsibility i said it would be such a waste of your time and such a waste of your potential to be working for this other charity for this other agency you know instead of starting your own now i said a whole lot of other things about that that i'm i'm not gonna get into here um you know it's hard it's daunting it's scary it's scary to feel that you are entirely responsible that you are gonna make a promise to your donors you're gonna say hey donate money to me and then i'm gonna go and help these poor sick people or whenever he's gonna go to a third world war-torn area you know it's going to help people in a refugee camp or whatever the particular project is you know and it's hard to say that you're going to do that on your own authority on your own responsibility that you personally will be accountable quite likely in the 21st century you personally will come on youtube and show the receipts or something for the money is being spent you know that you know you are asking people to trust you and that you're gonna give the orders you're not gonna you're not gonna follow orders you know what i'm saying um you know and there's something so comforting or reassuring to just competing in someone else's game just being a player in the game in a league or in a structure that someone else you know has uh has created for you you know uh if you're an actor okay all right sorry so i i'm going to do this for one sec here all right there are people who say they are too ugly to be a successful actor let's say in shakespeare okay um i made a video before saying look if you are in a wheelchair there are all these youtube channels telling you to chase after your dreams just move to los angeles and start going to auditions and don't worry that you're in a wheelchair just you know just think positive you know it'll be fine i'm willing to say to you you know what the black pill is right if you are in a wheelchair you are never going to no matter how great an audition you do there is no way you are going to be in a broadway production of shakespeare there's no way in los angeles you are going to be cast to play the role of hamlet in a i'm sorry like the black pill in this sense is right you know what i mean and you know there is a question if you're talking about someone who's really ugly well there are roles for ugly people there are villains in shakespeare you know it's sad but it's true there were people who are ugly and you're gonna say look you are never gonna be hamlet but if you're good at this like if you're really great at performing shakespeare if you really know your stuff you know what there are some roles you can get in shakespeare you can be caliban you know what i'm saying um you know so there is this significant sense in which you know what the black pillar is saying is is right it's true we need to you know we need to pay attention to what the insults have to say themselves but this still presumes a fundamentally passive perspective on the world right this presumes that you're auditioning to be an actor in someone else's play right and what i can say to you is positively no matter how ugly you are you can put on your own production of shakespeare you can be the one doing the casting call you can be the one choosing the actors right you can be hideously ugly and again maybe you play one of the roles too maybe you play caliban maybe you play iago maybe you play one of the ugly characters in shakespeare no offense you know if you're like if you're the person who has the verve the tenacity the initiative to to to make your own game to make your own competition to be inviting others and then yeah you also have to be caring and kind and encouraging and positive to others you know i mean if you're taking on that role it requires a lot of the kind of social skills that in cells lack you know then in that circumstance i can say no matter how ugly you are you can be involved in you know producing uh shakespeare so you know last things first and first things last why is it that incels are so passive i think it is entirely fair to say that the tragedy of the 21st century that incels demonstrate for us is the video gamification of life right and the reason why they cling to tinder as an example of all their problems and everything that's supposedly wrong with women and everything that's wrong with the culture is that of course tinder so much resembles a video game right this is the reduction of human sexuality to a video game and it doesn't occur to them hey if i really get out and start doing something positive in the world even if it's a failure right so guys in case you hadn't heard you know there's this civil war in syria it's been going on for 10 years since 2011. okay if you're an insult right now and you're watching this video do you think you would still be an incel if you had been organizing your own charity your own humanitarian agency on the syrian border let's say somehow helping syrians in syria or immediately adjacent in refugee camps on the border if you had been devoting your time and energy to that for the last 11 years do you think you'd still be an incel you know think about the kind of intellectual development moral development like really ethically you change as a person the kind of emotional development the kind of depth you have the ability you would have to stand at a podium at a conference and talk to people in a convincing and moving way about the experiences you've had in the last several years you know where you stand up and say look when i first arrived in syria this was my perspective and now here's what i understand that i didn't understand before you don't think if you could speak in that moving way to people about something that really matters that there be some woman in that crowd out there who really responds to your voice and your perspective and feel some kinship for you um you know i think that some people are black-pilled for the right reasons i think there are some people who are black-pilled and they can sincerely say that they are so ugly or you know they're so autistic you know they may have a mental disability like autism that they can say honestly that no i'm wrong that whether they became the director of a production of shakespeare's hamlet or whatever whatever play by shakespeare you prefer you know whether they got into the theater and started uh mounting their own dramas or whether they were involved in humanitarian work in syria or anything else they can say that they are either so ugly or they're so mentally disabled that still no woman would ever want them you know what i have to say you're right i believe you it's your sorrow it's your suffering it's your story and you are an expert in your own life and i am in no position to tell you that you're wrong if you think you're that ugly or you know you're that disabled one way or another you're that incapable of communicating with people verbally you know what you're right i agree with you but here's where i'm right if you would get out and try if you would quit playing video games i don't mean playing less i mean if you would quit entirely you'd never turn on the playstation 4 again once in your life if you would quit playing video games and you would get out and do something really meaningful whether that's humanitarian work or mounting a new production of shakespeare something that brings other people into your life in a meaningful way both cooperatively and and competitively because there were competitive aspects to all these things there are people who are your enemies there are people you hate you know okay if you did that even if you fail even if you fail again and again and again you would have a life worth living you would have a life that was tremendously meaningful and rewarding and you'd be able to say i'm so glad i did this i'm so glad i came out here and failed as opposed to staying in my apartment playing video games living a life in which you never even really tried