Freelee's 4000 Calorie Per Day Diet and Its Dissidents.
11 November 2016 [link youtube]
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mmm anyway yes so just today actually I
have my passport on the table because just today I was doing the airplane tickets and the hotel reservations and that kind of thing for for Chiang Mai so this is very much very much a present concern for me and yeah I don't know it's been about 10 years since i've been in Chiang Mai I don't know did you see it's a I mean all my videos are obscure I had one video called riding a bicycle is not the meaning of life did you know about that one yeah yeah one of one of the really long bike rides i made it was not complete it wasn't intentional at one point my computer broke that was living in Laos Indian Chan and the closest shop where i could buy macintosh software at that time was in chiang mai so I went on a bike trip in order to repair my Mac you know she's crazy on many different levels and I went this really really long distance going west from venchan capitalist all the way to Chiang Mai you you've been to VN chendo on a visa run yeah I thought I thought you had at least one video about that yeah so yeah we live in the same the same orbit yeah uh anyway yeah so I'm looking at all those things again and I guess again Chiang Mai will become part of my life what questions could ask you don't worry we'll get on to the real conversation a second but I was just talking to another vegan youtuber i guess i can name i was talking to jake Eames this is not private it's ok sorry to Jake Eames and he's also going to Chiang Mai soon he's going to be there soon we're not there at the same time but I said to him like we were talking about it was giving him advice I said to him like honestly there's nothing to do in chiang mai I don't I don't hate it I'm not saying it's a terrible place to go but like I had all these suggestions for things to do in other cities in Thailand oh yeah and lop buri and different did the northeast of tile in the South Island was like you know Chiang Mai it's a city but what do you what do you do bear let me ask you so you've been living in Chiang Mai for a while what do you do there or what yeah so I used to go up to Mountain like all the other like bike riders also for people and then at some point I just like stopped yeah and focus on more other things and now what I do is um I do gymnastics twice a week uh and I started learning Japanese oh really okay yeah yeah well you know I just I would just like because I always wanted to learn Japanese so I thought I just like start learning Japanese and then do a little bit of Thai since I'm Italian but then I'm doing four hours a week of Japanese so it got too much to keep up so just left the tie okay well I had no idea you had any connection to Japan or Japanese I just stopped learning Japanese I had a few videos on that yeah but for the past one year I sorry actually i have my japanese books are underneath my computer monitor so i would hold them up there they're just here and i can't i can't show them to you but actually i just did one year of Japanese and I was planning to move to Japan and as a result my youtube channel i have actually quite a number of vegans in japan who watched my channel because I was reaching out to them and saying hi I'm vegan on a movie to Japan but now all that's cancelled and i'm moving to China instead but yeah I just adjusted Japanese that's interesting though do you have do you hang out at one of the universities to study Japanese or do you have a private tutor or what no it's a it's chiang mai japanese school Wow okay great i didn't i didn't know that exists no that's really good but i've got to say i have a lot of experience living in all of asia in terms of money it makes much more sense to learn japanese in thailand than in japan as Japan actually my my thoughts like oh it's so much cheaper here I should just finally learn it since I always yes it's a real difference boy Japan is is hopeless for that and Japan is also set up very very badly for teaching foreigners I'd like it has to do with different technical details and legal details oh it's so that I was actually thinking about learning Japanese in Taiwan not in Thailand because like well Taiwan at least is set up to welcome in foreign students in a certain way but no Thailand I mean I'd never thought about it I didn't think there would be i I didn't I just didn't really think about it for different reasons but yeah Thailand is probably a much better place for chiba japan stays and and better vegetarian food and you know better cost of living and all those things ah that's interesting so what are you thinking i mean i get i can edit this out if you don't want on youtube but what do you think you for the future is japanese adjust your interest are you thinking about visiting there or working there or what have you the future moment it's just like interest but i also want to visit or work or whatever opportunity comes up for me in the future yeah well i mean i can honestly say having studied both languages both thai and japanese japanese is a more difficult language i i i i don't know i mean it's a question of what you find rewarding also I you know with Japanese for me what what I hoped with Japanese was that would be the last language I studied was that this is a language you know in terms of the the depth of of the books and the newspapers and the literature and history was ok this can be the language that I'm reading when I'm 60 years old like when I'm an old man this is still glowing because for me languages like thai even though they're interesting and rewarding it does not have that kind of depth of interest for me i would not want to wake up in the morning and read the newspaper and tie or watch the news on TV and tie and i would I wouldn't want it to be the language I was working on when I was 60 years old either so obvious obviously this is partly just totally subjective but when you're thinking about that long term commitment to the language japanese i thought was rewarding and also just mentioned like in the past like but looking at the last 100 years I'm not interested in ancient Japanese literature I'm not but just within the last 100 years there's been a lot of really interesting stuff published in in Japanese and you get to see like all their crazy attempts to respond to European influence they you know they kind of reinvent you know we have the saying in English to reinvent the wheel you know but they really yeah but like within 100 years there were so many European ideas and European technologies where the Japanese they did reinvent it you know for them it was new and they you know they reacted to it and wrote their own philosophies so that that stuff is kind of fun fun to see but yeah anyway I'm sorry that's interesting but I mean God so you know anyway I've just I've just given up on Japanese again and gone gone back to learning Chinese so now I hope Chinese will be the last but we'll see i have i have mixed feelings about about both of them but God so you already on to doing the the reading and writing aspects of Japanese a little bit you doing yeah god hiragana katakana and I just started out with kanji like the numbers and today so so I just asked because what we can both compare did you learn a little bit of how to read and write the Thai language like you know I know I know it's hard though okay well that's the funny thing so most people say reading and writing thai is very very difficult which you can see just from the science like it's it's not simple but i mean i'm in the one class of people for whom it's easy i had already studied the ancient languages so pali and sanskrit are these ancient languages for the the region so it's really funny but what all the other foreigners find difficult and even what type II Polly difficult in the reading rich for me was easy so it's huge advantage with the the reading writing system and I say to people well it's like if you go to Europe and you've already studied Latin and Greek you know and then learning here but of course yeah it makes everybody everything so much easier because I had to study Latin at school oh yeah so I got to 11 where I was starting to do like the original text you like Caesar and that kind of stuff um and I like it is the basis for everything in Europe basically right well ok by me so that's really interesting so Leah I didn't know this about you you've got like five languages okay but what cuz it's at like I know I know the mix right and Japanese and we're not we're not counting ty but if you wanted to you could add you get at that I know when when you're applying for a university you could add tied your listen it's you can exaggerate that one it's okay but that's no but that's interesting so you're are you are you 20 years old now or what you're about okay well look you gotta you've got a lot of advantages in life then that's great i mean i'm everett I thing is I say I'm happy for you actually I'm sad for you because I know how much work it is to study languages you know and and uh and you know with with any one of those languages you don't know how much will it be part of your future or what have you you know even even German like I mean you speak English so well now I I knew a German guy in Thailand and he even though he was born speaking German then he didn't speak German for 30 years living so it is it is strange it's wonderful to work on a lot of languages but it can also be kind of sad and a lot of suffering i would have you yeah yeah hey wow that's that's really cool no I didn't know that about you but I mean look you know the other thing that's great is that will have you visited Japan already or no okay yeah yeah well no it's good because you know you'll really be in a position to think critically about each of these countries like you've seen Thailand you know what's good about Thailand you know what's bad about talent so when you see Japan you know what I mean you won't you won't have an extreme perspective on it you'll be able to see it in a spectrum of things the other thing I'll mention is you know many Japanese people are boring it's a secret nobody wants to admit this uh but in Thailand you meet really interesting Japanese people in Cambodia in Laos even you know in kunming I met really interesting Japanese people outside of Japan and of course when you're really in Japan there they're pretty boy only ninety-nine percent of people I you know I know that effect works both ways when i was living in VN chen the capital city of Laos i met people who would say to me oh you know Canadians are also wonderful like what what do you what are you talking about you know what what's good about us or exact and it's oh yeah you know I knew this surgeon who volunteered to come here and help poor people during the war and he was canadia it be so this like that guy is not a normal Canadian no it's not like it's like you know the people who do humanitarian work you know these wonderful people who leave the country to this like that's not what a normal Canadian is like so I just say I I understand both sides it's not yeah the average person is very much boring but outside of Japan you meet you meet interesting Japanese who anyway I had to think about these things I don't know from my own future I might I might open a small hotel I might go into hotel work and I was thinking about that like would I want to run a hotel in Thailand using the Japanese language like a Japanese or aunt Adele you know I was thinking about all these combinations but now I mean I could I could go back to Japanese at any time in the future it would be strange but I'm thinking now going to get spend this one year in conveying it should be that now Chinese really becomes my language of scholarship and and maybe the language for business in my career yeah also just mention you I really it's it's funny for me because I did use to speak the language every day and when I would speak Thai I would speak Thai with a with a lao accent you know I'd be really speaking eighty percent Lao twenty percent high which in Chiang Mai is fine because Chiang Mai is far enough north their their language is closer it's more like Lao than thai maybe they won't tell you that but some now for like 10 years I really never spoke those languages at eight years I don't know I don't want to count but for many years the not spoken languages but like people were writing the email asking for advice about Chiang Mai and i was i was thinking and tie and i was typing and tie and you know feel it coming back so i don't know maybe on this trip maybe i'll find out that I've totally forgotten the language and maybe it'll be nice to me to remember and you know we'll look to bring it back to veganism the conversation you have most often is no I can't eat meat does this have milk in it like does this have eggs in it like this is like of all the vocabulary this is the vocabulary I'm best at is explaining what I can't eat because you have that conversation the language every day is that like you say you speak tourist I but you are you cause to saying is this made of eggs or no you don't you don't have this conversation no I usually just like so ding j j or but i basically just go to vegetarian restaurants so there's no need for like when what about to explain myself but what about the evil fish sauce because people will say they're vegetarian but then they'll give you food with fishes have you had this problem or no i don't know ah so maybe nom nom wah nam plah that's literally what yeah water fish non pas uh nan prize is fish sauce and i even even when I was in Europe I went into some restaurants Thai restaurants or Lao restaurants and i would say in the language i know you say this is vegetarian but is it made with with nam plow with this fish stuff because it's so it's so common to use it but yeah ideas and it has actual fish in it but i work anyway it's not it's not the worst thing but yeah I learned to live in fear of of some hidden non-vegan gradients like that so ok cool so look uh the the subject for this this conversation I want to talk to you a little bit vote was um you know gaining weight on high fruit diets which is in some ways a taboo topic I'd like to think just during the last yeah just during the last one year though I think people have gotten a lot more honest about it like it's gone from being a secret to being slung people recognized important I need to need to talk about so mostly i'm gonna i'm going to listen to you i'll ask some questions to prod you along i would say in general I think the people for whom the high carb low fat diet works the best are the people who do not follow the diet you know like people who just in general like if you in general you think eating a lot of fruit is good and eating a lot of vegetables is good but you don't actually follow this diet you're not you're not for example eating 3,000 calories a day with no exercise or what have you but you you just have a sensible approach then that can work but I so I'm enters your story i'll just ask you how did you first get into high carb low fat or high fruit because i think you had a you had a fruitarian period right and and what your experience was yeah i came from the headaches that I had before so constant headaches migraines so for me it was more about health it was never about losing weight I also did not come from a restrictive past not all um and I think that's kind of important because so many people are coming from an eating disorder too rotten for or any veganism whatever um so um also free link during I did not make me go vegan so I found its raw foods high carb raw food thing and so went raw vegan for half a year and I had no weight issues but uh and but at same time I was really hard to get in enough calories since fruit is so low in calories and I was exercising substantially I was doing figure skating three times a week usually between two and three hours at the time and then in general was just an active person and we had like sports at school walking a lot um I'm from a village I like I walk out every word more or less um I was fairly active suggested trip so that's interesting though but in your first six months where you went raw food and we're eating a lot of fruit obviously during the first six months though you actually you actually did not gain weight during that stage because the excuse right you lost waitress yeah lost a little today cuz I was like um I had good body shape I was healthy weight skinny whatever like you want to call it never had issues with way so going raw head I lost a little bit away it's like a few kilos or so um then a at some point I guess I was just like eating too low fat even at the rough raw vegan diet so reintroduced oil gained a few kilos and then after having half a year of like the raw foods period I um had to really cooked food into my diet didn't know oil and since it was so low fat I was just like never feeling satisfied again probably if 15 kilos within a very short amount of time and I could eat up at some points I was eating up to 5,000 calories so but i guess like the 3500 to 4,000 ish was like more to average what I was eating so just wait how did you get on the tide then was that in response to free Lee's advice at that stage when you were thinking that you know 4,000 calories was fine yeah yeah I actually like I got this idea in my head that um like I had this is unhealthy past of like my headaches and I was drinking a lot of coffee before going vegan to be functioning since I couldn't sleep well with the headaches and it was like a downward spiral on it was just like not much to do um so I thought oh my god it's probably I have to pay for my past um and all you need to stuff yourself because if you don't do that you're not doing the diet right or if you just eat one day not enough or you don't feel full all the time you're gonna get metabolic damage like stupid [ __ ] like that yeah well insidious no mean the metabolic damage for one thing for one thing this whole approach encourages the mentality that anytime you feel sleepy anytime you feel like you don't have enough energy you should eat more and you should eat more high calorie high sugar food so that already to me that's a type of eating disorder like I know it's not as serious as you me it's not as serious as anorexia but still people eat compulsively that way were you know whenever you're feeling rundown you feel like you don't you not energetic to blame that on oh I need more glucose auntie to me that's that's already in healthy and I think one thing nobody else seems to take this seriously I have I have at least one video where I do take this seriously for these young women there was a young woman who used to be a model and then she's not modeling anymore because it was that so you know the the the idea of metabolic damage like oh well you're only gaining this weight for a few years yeah and when you're talking about like age 19 to 21 that's a big part of a young person's life you know like you know I mean for me if it's 37 to 39 but you know then I think you know nobody seems to take seriously this is something that really does damage people's lives I mean the difference between being you know of being overweight for those couple of years in the prime of your life it can influence you in all kinds of ways for one thing it can destroy your career in sports if you know if you really are serious about sport or can you destroy your career as a model for the the woman it was a model so you say people seem to not take that seriously as if metabolic damage is if it doesn't matter just because it has this this fancy name yeah it's like a kind of religious you could compare to some kind of religious belief where you have to like sing for your past or something like that like repay right yeah yeah yeah but so for you you there's some part to it because you obviously damaged your body in the past and I I was like suffering from the headaches but that shouldn't necessarily show in my weight you just want to know your headaches I know you had doctors involved were those diagnosed as being related to dairy in your diet or was there no clear diagnosis because many migraine headaches are related to you know cheese and Dara so just ask um I my doctors didn't find anything I went to different neurologist I'm at some point i got like i did a headache calendar or whatever you want to call it where I was just like for a full year was filling up every day how I was feeling and the headaches also include like light sensitivity like I couldn't stand if there was some kind of light in a room in front of me especially um natural light was really hard for me I would sometimes even get like just dizzy from it like really bad but um okay good so I was just asking if that was known to be diet related or for them related so I think so correctly from wrong but I think for some people even though free Lee's diet is crazy they think it must be working because it helps them with some other health conditions we were wrong but I imagine that for you and for people like you the feeling is well my headaches got better so the diet must be good it must be right I must stick with it and I must believe in all the other things because there's this one symptom that got better would you when you say that's true um yeah like um when I first switch to cooked food I got a setback I'd say in my head aches because I was I guess my gut flora wasn't used to the to the starches and I had a problem with rice for sometimes like I remember one time I ain't like I didn't have fruits i just ate like rice and vegetables and i got a migraine for a whole week that was not awesome now i don't have any problem with it whatsoever but yeah like rattle for it can improve other symptoms so people just take it as a given oh yeah just like I'm just gonna gain weight for a while but I got better in like another part of my life that was ruined before we know I'm hannya of the channel chania mania this is my interpretation of her but she had a number of health problems that she thought the raw till 4 diet had cured so way back so a couple years ago she was a believer because she switched diets and then these health problems went away but eventually what she figured out was no the health problems came back again like you know they just gotten better or temporarily and they didn't really relate to the diet and the Dietetics s problems but I think for her I think it took her several years to to get rid of that impression where she felt this diet had cured me therefore this diet has all the answers and therefore even if it's 3,000 calories a day she should she should follow the other elements the diet but that's for you Craig me wrong you you actually were already interested in raw foodism before you got involved with free leaves diet so for you you actually went from a raw food diet to the raw till 4 diet okay that's unusual yeah yeah I actually at the beginning I didn't even understand her accent so yeah I just couldn't watch the videos for a while no sure i'm sure you've improved your english by listening to durianrider and freely swearing a lot you learned a lot of curse words from Australia learning English with freely and durianrider 101 Eagles so at what point did you did you stop believing or when did he start to question the kind of freely program because I mean obviously the weight gain alone so I mean one shows at some point you notice that you were gaining weight was that what made you question it or was it a totally unrelated issue not at all because I as I said before I thought he was just part of the healing process and um like I never really cared about my weight and since the diet since Pete gave me like my life back in a cert in a way it didn't matter to me so then so my questions then when did you start to question the the basic ideas that I was built on what I mean was it just did you read something or did you just think about it and what what happened like I always was aware that like it didn't satisfy me and I figured out it was like to log pad because i was doing 90 95 5 for most of the time and i think it's way too low especially for a young person yeah um yeah did you have any of the other problems that did you lose your period due to the very low faq on it or any other health problems or no you did okay no I had um generally my health improved it was just um the weight gain basically Moreland all right because I didn't really put any weight like my health was so much more important to me than my weight so I didn't really care so it was like even if it was even if I didn't feel satisfied um it gave me so much more else um back for my life other vitality criminal about about one year ago today I think you were still kind of a true believer in freeland so I mean good gang crime if I'm wrong so I'm guessing so during the last year you've been living in Asia and you've been thinking about things different angles so what what what do you think has changed you can just speak more general what do you think has changed in your life or your understanding during the last year um guess just more experience looking at different people not just being influenced by one person starting to think bit more myself um basic stuff and also um probably that I just didn't really lose any weight but my health like but my help was fine so um like I had my health back any wool doesn't look like that super awesome effect since it wasn't just like a week ago that a family felt better so that were off that like priority and the help i like the way one rice let's say we started to question them it's interesting i mean i had one person writing into me one fan of my channel and she gained a lot of weight i forget but more than 40 pounds she need a lot of weight over a long time on high carb low fat so over years and years but i would guess I mean for her the combination of I have to do this it's good for my health even if when I look in the mirror I'm getting fatter and fatter instead of getting thinner but also feeling face then they preach right well but doesn't exist um but but then also I mean this is paired with like emotionally I'm saving the world like this is morally good this is the way to save the world this is the way to cure cancer this is the way to save the environment so think that combination of being beautiful being strong saving the world it's quite a I mean it for a young person it's influential but actually the woman who wrote to me she's of more than 40 years old so even for her I mean this was this was quite a powerful kind of you know religious experience this combination of things am I I never got too much into the the weight thing because I had an experience were in middle school I was at the boarding school like one of the girls that I was in the room which she got she became anorexic and at some point she was just measuring herself and also went to measure myself yeah so that experience like really like said the alarm bell self and always made me aware that don't ever go down that road and she was she thought she was really fat and we were about the same like sighs and I was like a few centimeters like bigger around my waist and she she was destroyed she was like how can you be so skinny and she was she was skinnier at me she could she didn't get it at all so that was like an experience that always like made me work don't ever like care too much about like you like not the body but like the the slimness Hey look I'm happy for you in some ways me at the start of this conversation I learned you've really kind of turned around your experience in Thailand and made it into an educational opportunity I mean if you're getting a basis I mean that sincerely studying Japanese and just having the experience of in Thailand I hope you're getting something positive out of it but I mean at the time corrective wrong but I think you were also influenced by freely enduring writer I at the time were you were you planning to never go back to high school were you planning to stay dropped out of school or did it influence the way you thought about your own future that way and and your reasons for being in Thailand or being in Asia has that changed or not if it if it hasn't you can say it's fine lots of things have changed for me like I always had issues with my family so there is like a lid let's call it in a very minor way like conflict um so for me going to tell it was like a like ecstasy like an emotional level so fruit and for me like since I my experience in school was the best with the headaches and changing schools and like the new school I went was like a complete waste of time because I didn't have to study the whole year to pass with decent grades um so it was just like why am I wasting my time in school but I'm not even learning anything combined with the ecstasy feeling of the of the festival it would seem stupid to me to go back to to that so I say and dropped out of high school when to travel around Southeast Asia Indonesia I psych singapura cycle through Malaysia and I came back to to chime I since that was like where the happy feelings came from um obviously when I came back he wasn't the same as the festival since there wasn't as many people it was like more of a normal kind of thing um ya know the magistrate's interesting but I mean now obviously I mean in some ways it's a very negative experience in life but you've gained some new perspective on it and I mean I think I think you are actually coming out of this a lot you know richer for the experience in some sense but I mean I think it's interesting with the next ty fruit festival coming up I think you'll be able to look back and compare how different you are as a person you know one year ago versus now and it sounds to me now like you do have some idea for your own long-term future and you know Asia and Asian languages are going to be a part of which I can relate to because that's that's how I felt when I was younger too you know and and that you know ultimately getting an education and getting a job as a part of it but you know meanwhile to say other people are ice do see them dropping at a school talked about that repeatedly on my channel and kind of worshipping this being on vacation forever thing it's like well you know somebody somebody has to be a medical doctor somebody has to go to school and work in a hospital somebody you know all the things that make life possible all those respectable rolls all that responsibility it's still it's still waiting for you and you know not everyone can live like durianrider and not everyone wants to so yeah I try to talk about that stuff okay pretty horrible I mean from drug use to welfare and everything it's just recently that he like turned his life around yeah well I've said that on my channel many times like if you were my own brother you know I would just say I'm so happy if you're like I'm so happy you got off the drugs I'm so happy you're not homeless I'm so happy you're not in jail and that would be hit but he's in a very strangely influential position over people who you know one way or another are kind of weak enough to fall under his spell which you know because I think when people get like hooked on to them when they were in some kind of like emotionally unstable place and that's why they look up to them because they they give them direction they give them like hope to give them a mission to give them purpose so that's why I think also people are so um like so extreme in their way of like sticking to them even if they say something completely ridiculous and disrespectful or or even if they just gained 20 pounds or gained 15 kilos or were they were ignoring that even it's so much because it like you think it gave you so much money value right right what preach that uh what's it again like attitude of gratitude hard [ __ ] up hardened to [ __ ] up no excuses just do it that kind of like right and that that also leads ultimately to victim blaming because if you're fat it's your fault it can't be free least fault it can't be the diet's full you should feel bad etc etc yeah so I'll just measure has been manipulated or anything or just like make some belief or or or just you know you may have a job where you can't burn 3,000 calories a day you know not everyone is doing long-distance cycling I i mentioned in my chair I used to do long-distance cycling in Thailand and it's true you can burn a ton of calories just the sweating even more than the muscular says is the heat but you know if you if you sit at a desk reading books all day you can't you can't hold down that place though and I was just good measure I think it's funny the contrast because many of the people who endorse freely and durianrider where they they kind of promote them and they they want their own YouTube channel to be promoted their friends they don't follow the high carb low fat diet they're vegans like all the bodybuilders including the ones who are personal friends with durianrider they're all tracking their macros you know keeping their calorie count low keeping their protein intake hi so it's a protein limited carbohydrate limited character and I was talking about vegan cheetah with this actually didn't put the video on my channel so it was a private conversation but I remember he was fine with it but I was saying to him like look so cheetah said even you you've been afraid to talk about what your diet really is and said I know I know he's afraid of it like the talking about restricting calories has become taboo people are afraid to talk about it now I'm not saying normal people need to if you want to be a competitive bodybuilder I mean like vegan vegan cheetah he's he's trying to keep his muscle mass as high as possible and his fat as as low as possible naturally low you know so that you know when bodybuilders when they pose you can see the muscle standing out clearly now that less than one percent of people are ever going to do that normal normal people do not need a body builders diet or training but to me that's always just been such an incongruous contrast or it's like well the people who are promoting your diet or promoting your YouTube channel they don't remotely follow these kind of pseudo medical that they're not eating unlimited carbohydrates they're eating limited cover it's and I'm not you know seen unlimited yeah you also i'll just say I mean I nobody wants to know about my diet cuz I'm not an athlete myself but I I do eat a high-carb low-fat diet my diet has amazing a little fat in it I don't look that great that's why I wouldn't preach it my diet consists here in Canada right now consists entirely of like bananas bagels and I've got some grapefruit so it's it's all fruit and bread my diet I'm vegan and I take I take a multivitamin I take I do take supplements to make sure I'm getting you know vitamin b12 in the violence but if I wanted to look like a bodybuilder I wouldn't be doing this at all and if I wanted to look like a model be doing something else and so on so anyway I just Mitchell so so I told you this a private conversation but like for me the main thing that's appealing about having a lot of fruit in your diet is that you're doing less cooking and for me I live alone I don't really want to cook a complex pasta and then sit need it alone you know like to me it's kind of point so I just say there were other reasons that have nothing if weight loss you know for why I eat a lot of fruit or why why other people might be drawn to a fruitarian or high carb high carb low fat lifestyle so hmm anyway cool i wanted to keep this this interview relatively short so shall we stop it here from my perspective I'm going to see you in Chiang Mai in a couple of weeks because we're both going to be in Thailand so I'm eight I may wear a disguise so that you know during writers followers don't hunt me down so I don't know i'll get i'll get some get some big sunglasses or something but in that great great talk julia and again I'm I learned a lot of things about you talking now that I didn't know before and I'm really happy for you so you know and maybe both of us maybe Japanese we part of our futures and maybe tiling to be part of our futures but you know stay in touch that I hope I talk all the time on my channel that how hard it is to know five people you can cooperate with and you know how hard it is to keep in touch with people when you're a nomad when you live in countries so I hope you're one of the five people I still know five years from now
have my passport on the table because just today I was doing the airplane tickets and the hotel reservations and that kind of thing for for Chiang Mai so this is very much very much a present concern for me and yeah I don't know it's been about 10 years since i've been in Chiang Mai I don't know did you see it's a I mean all my videos are obscure I had one video called riding a bicycle is not the meaning of life did you know about that one yeah yeah one of one of the really long bike rides i made it was not complete it wasn't intentional at one point my computer broke that was living in Laos Indian Chan and the closest shop where i could buy macintosh software at that time was in chiang mai so I went on a bike trip in order to repair my Mac you know she's crazy on many different levels and I went this really really long distance going west from venchan capitalist all the way to Chiang Mai you you've been to VN chendo on a visa run yeah I thought I thought you had at least one video about that yeah so yeah we live in the same the same orbit yeah uh anyway yeah so I'm looking at all those things again and I guess again Chiang Mai will become part of my life what questions could ask you don't worry we'll get on to the real conversation a second but I was just talking to another vegan youtuber i guess i can name i was talking to jake Eames this is not private it's ok sorry to Jake Eames and he's also going to Chiang Mai soon he's going to be there soon we're not there at the same time but I said to him like we were talking about it was giving him advice I said to him like honestly there's nothing to do in chiang mai I don't I don't hate it I'm not saying it's a terrible place to go but like I had all these suggestions for things to do in other cities in Thailand oh yeah and lop buri and different did the northeast of tile in the South Island was like you know Chiang Mai it's a city but what do you what do you do bear let me ask you so you've been living in Chiang Mai for a while what do you do there or what yeah so I used to go up to Mountain like all the other like bike riders also for people and then at some point I just like stopped yeah and focus on more other things and now what I do is um I do gymnastics twice a week uh and I started learning Japanese oh really okay yeah yeah well you know I just I would just like because I always wanted to learn Japanese so I thought I just like start learning Japanese and then do a little bit of Thai since I'm Italian but then I'm doing four hours a week of Japanese so it got too much to keep up so just left the tie okay well I had no idea you had any connection to Japan or Japanese I just stopped learning Japanese I had a few videos on that yeah but for the past one year I sorry actually i have my japanese books are underneath my computer monitor so i would hold them up there they're just here and i can't i can't show them to you but actually i just did one year of Japanese and I was planning to move to Japan and as a result my youtube channel i have actually quite a number of vegans in japan who watched my channel because I was reaching out to them and saying hi I'm vegan on a movie to Japan but now all that's cancelled and i'm moving to China instead but yeah I just adjusted Japanese that's interesting though do you have do you hang out at one of the universities to study Japanese or do you have a private tutor or what no it's a it's chiang mai japanese school Wow okay great i didn't i didn't know that exists no that's really good but i've got to say i have a lot of experience living in all of asia in terms of money it makes much more sense to learn japanese in thailand than in japan as Japan actually my my thoughts like oh it's so much cheaper here I should just finally learn it since I always yes it's a real difference boy Japan is is hopeless for that and Japan is also set up very very badly for teaching foreigners I'd like it has to do with different technical details and legal details oh it's so that I was actually thinking about learning Japanese in Taiwan not in Thailand because like well Taiwan at least is set up to welcome in foreign students in a certain way but no Thailand I mean I'd never thought about it I didn't think there would be i I didn't I just didn't really think about it for different reasons but yeah Thailand is probably a much better place for chiba japan stays and and better vegetarian food and you know better cost of living and all those things ah that's interesting so what are you thinking i mean i get i can edit this out if you don't want on youtube but what do you think you for the future is japanese adjust your interest are you thinking about visiting there or working there or what have you the future moment it's just like interest but i also want to visit or work or whatever opportunity comes up for me in the future yeah well i mean i can honestly say having studied both languages both thai and japanese japanese is a more difficult language i i i i don't know i mean it's a question of what you find rewarding also I you know with Japanese for me what what I hoped with Japanese was that would be the last language I studied was that this is a language you know in terms of the the depth of of the books and the newspapers and the literature and history was ok this can be the language that I'm reading when I'm 60 years old like when I'm an old man this is still glowing because for me languages like thai even though they're interesting and rewarding it does not have that kind of depth of interest for me i would not want to wake up in the morning and read the newspaper and tie or watch the news on TV and tie and i would I wouldn't want it to be the language I was working on when I was 60 years old either so obvious obviously this is partly just totally subjective but when you're thinking about that long term commitment to the language japanese i thought was rewarding and also just mentioned like in the past like but looking at the last 100 years I'm not interested in ancient Japanese literature I'm not but just within the last 100 years there's been a lot of really interesting stuff published in in Japanese and you get to see like all their crazy attempts to respond to European influence they you know they kind of reinvent you know we have the saying in English to reinvent the wheel you know but they really yeah but like within 100 years there were so many European ideas and European technologies where the Japanese they did reinvent it you know for them it was new and they you know they reacted to it and wrote their own philosophies so that that stuff is kind of fun fun to see but yeah anyway I'm sorry that's interesting but I mean God so you know anyway I've just I've just given up on Japanese again and gone gone back to learning Chinese so now I hope Chinese will be the last but we'll see i have i have mixed feelings about about both of them but God so you already on to doing the the reading and writing aspects of Japanese a little bit you doing yeah god hiragana katakana and I just started out with kanji like the numbers and today so so I just asked because what we can both compare did you learn a little bit of how to read and write the Thai language like you know I know I know it's hard though okay well that's the funny thing so most people say reading and writing thai is very very difficult which you can see just from the science like it's it's not simple but i mean i'm in the one class of people for whom it's easy i had already studied the ancient languages so pali and sanskrit are these ancient languages for the the region so it's really funny but what all the other foreigners find difficult and even what type II Polly difficult in the reading rich for me was easy so it's huge advantage with the the reading writing system and I say to people well it's like if you go to Europe and you've already studied Latin and Greek you know and then learning here but of course yeah it makes everybody everything so much easier because I had to study Latin at school oh yeah so I got to 11 where I was starting to do like the original text you like Caesar and that kind of stuff um and I like it is the basis for everything in Europe basically right well ok by me so that's really interesting so Leah I didn't know this about you you've got like five languages okay but what cuz it's at like I know I know the mix right and Japanese and we're not we're not counting ty but if you wanted to you could add you get at that I know when when you're applying for a university you could add tied your listen it's you can exaggerate that one it's okay but that's no but that's interesting so you're are you are you 20 years old now or what you're about okay well look you gotta you've got a lot of advantages in life then that's great i mean i'm everett I thing is I say I'm happy for you actually I'm sad for you because I know how much work it is to study languages you know and and uh and you know with with any one of those languages you don't know how much will it be part of your future or what have you you know even even German like I mean you speak English so well now I I knew a German guy in Thailand and he even though he was born speaking German then he didn't speak German for 30 years living so it is it is strange it's wonderful to work on a lot of languages but it can also be kind of sad and a lot of suffering i would have you yeah yeah hey wow that's that's really cool no I didn't know that about you but I mean look you know the other thing that's great is that will have you visited Japan already or no okay yeah yeah well no it's good because you know you'll really be in a position to think critically about each of these countries like you've seen Thailand you know what's good about Thailand you know what's bad about talent so when you see Japan you know what I mean you won't you won't have an extreme perspective on it you'll be able to see it in a spectrum of things the other thing I'll mention is you know many Japanese people are boring it's a secret nobody wants to admit this uh but in Thailand you meet really interesting Japanese people in Cambodia in Laos even you know in kunming I met really interesting Japanese people outside of Japan and of course when you're really in Japan there they're pretty boy only ninety-nine percent of people I you know I know that effect works both ways when i was living in VN chen the capital city of Laos i met people who would say to me oh you know Canadians are also wonderful like what what do you what are you talking about you know what what's good about us or exact and it's oh yeah you know I knew this surgeon who volunteered to come here and help poor people during the war and he was canadia it be so this like that guy is not a normal Canadian no it's not like it's like you know the people who do humanitarian work you know these wonderful people who leave the country to this like that's not what a normal Canadian is like so I just say I I understand both sides it's not yeah the average person is very much boring but outside of Japan you meet you meet interesting Japanese who anyway I had to think about these things I don't know from my own future I might I might open a small hotel I might go into hotel work and I was thinking about that like would I want to run a hotel in Thailand using the Japanese language like a Japanese or aunt Adele you know I was thinking about all these combinations but now I mean I could I could go back to Japanese at any time in the future it would be strange but I'm thinking now going to get spend this one year in conveying it should be that now Chinese really becomes my language of scholarship and and maybe the language for business in my career yeah also just mention you I really it's it's funny for me because I did use to speak the language every day and when I would speak Thai I would speak Thai with a with a lao accent you know I'd be really speaking eighty percent Lao twenty percent high which in Chiang Mai is fine because Chiang Mai is far enough north their their language is closer it's more like Lao than thai maybe they won't tell you that but some now for like 10 years I really never spoke those languages at eight years I don't know I don't want to count but for many years the not spoken languages but like people were writing the email asking for advice about Chiang Mai and i was i was thinking and tie and i was typing and tie and you know feel it coming back so i don't know maybe on this trip maybe i'll find out that I've totally forgotten the language and maybe it'll be nice to me to remember and you know we'll look to bring it back to veganism the conversation you have most often is no I can't eat meat does this have milk in it like does this have eggs in it like this is like of all the vocabulary this is the vocabulary I'm best at is explaining what I can't eat because you have that conversation the language every day is that like you say you speak tourist I but you are you cause to saying is this made of eggs or no you don't you don't have this conversation no I usually just like so ding j j or but i basically just go to vegetarian restaurants so there's no need for like when what about to explain myself but what about the evil fish sauce because people will say they're vegetarian but then they'll give you food with fishes have you had this problem or no i don't know ah so maybe nom nom wah nam plah that's literally what yeah water fish non pas uh nan prize is fish sauce and i even even when I was in Europe I went into some restaurants Thai restaurants or Lao restaurants and i would say in the language i know you say this is vegetarian but is it made with with nam plow with this fish stuff because it's so it's so common to use it but yeah ideas and it has actual fish in it but i work anyway it's not it's not the worst thing but yeah I learned to live in fear of of some hidden non-vegan gradients like that so ok cool so look uh the the subject for this this conversation I want to talk to you a little bit vote was um you know gaining weight on high fruit diets which is in some ways a taboo topic I'd like to think just during the last yeah just during the last one year though I think people have gotten a lot more honest about it like it's gone from being a secret to being slung people recognized important I need to need to talk about so mostly i'm gonna i'm going to listen to you i'll ask some questions to prod you along i would say in general I think the people for whom the high carb low fat diet works the best are the people who do not follow the diet you know like people who just in general like if you in general you think eating a lot of fruit is good and eating a lot of vegetables is good but you don't actually follow this diet you're not you're not for example eating 3,000 calories a day with no exercise or what have you but you you just have a sensible approach then that can work but I so I'm enters your story i'll just ask you how did you first get into high carb low fat or high fruit because i think you had a you had a fruitarian period right and and what your experience was yeah i came from the headaches that I had before so constant headaches migraines so for me it was more about health it was never about losing weight I also did not come from a restrictive past not all um and I think that's kind of important because so many people are coming from an eating disorder too rotten for or any veganism whatever um so um also free link during I did not make me go vegan so I found its raw foods high carb raw food thing and so went raw vegan for half a year and I had no weight issues but uh and but at same time I was really hard to get in enough calories since fruit is so low in calories and I was exercising substantially I was doing figure skating three times a week usually between two and three hours at the time and then in general was just an active person and we had like sports at school walking a lot um I'm from a village I like I walk out every word more or less um I was fairly active suggested trip so that's interesting though but in your first six months where you went raw food and we're eating a lot of fruit obviously during the first six months though you actually you actually did not gain weight during that stage because the excuse right you lost waitress yeah lost a little today cuz I was like um I had good body shape I was healthy weight skinny whatever like you want to call it never had issues with way so going raw head I lost a little bit away it's like a few kilos or so um then a at some point I guess I was just like eating too low fat even at the rough raw vegan diet so reintroduced oil gained a few kilos and then after having half a year of like the raw foods period I um had to really cooked food into my diet didn't know oil and since it was so low fat I was just like never feeling satisfied again probably if 15 kilos within a very short amount of time and I could eat up at some points I was eating up to 5,000 calories so but i guess like the 3500 to 4,000 ish was like more to average what I was eating so just wait how did you get on the tide then was that in response to free Lee's advice at that stage when you were thinking that you know 4,000 calories was fine yeah yeah I actually like I got this idea in my head that um like I had this is unhealthy past of like my headaches and I was drinking a lot of coffee before going vegan to be functioning since I couldn't sleep well with the headaches and it was like a downward spiral on it was just like not much to do um so I thought oh my god it's probably I have to pay for my past um and all you need to stuff yourself because if you don't do that you're not doing the diet right or if you just eat one day not enough or you don't feel full all the time you're gonna get metabolic damage like stupid [ __ ] like that yeah well insidious no mean the metabolic damage for one thing for one thing this whole approach encourages the mentality that anytime you feel sleepy anytime you feel like you don't have enough energy you should eat more and you should eat more high calorie high sugar food so that already to me that's a type of eating disorder like I know it's not as serious as you me it's not as serious as anorexia but still people eat compulsively that way were you know whenever you're feeling rundown you feel like you don't you not energetic to blame that on oh I need more glucose auntie to me that's that's already in healthy and I think one thing nobody else seems to take this seriously I have I have at least one video where I do take this seriously for these young women there was a young woman who used to be a model and then she's not modeling anymore because it was that so you know the the the idea of metabolic damage like oh well you're only gaining this weight for a few years yeah and when you're talking about like age 19 to 21 that's a big part of a young person's life you know like you know I mean for me if it's 37 to 39 but you know then I think you know nobody seems to take seriously this is something that really does damage people's lives I mean the difference between being you know of being overweight for those couple of years in the prime of your life it can influence you in all kinds of ways for one thing it can destroy your career in sports if you know if you really are serious about sport or can you destroy your career as a model for the the woman it was a model so you say people seem to not take that seriously as if metabolic damage is if it doesn't matter just because it has this this fancy name yeah it's like a kind of religious you could compare to some kind of religious belief where you have to like sing for your past or something like that like repay right yeah yeah yeah but so for you you there's some part to it because you obviously damaged your body in the past and I I was like suffering from the headaches but that shouldn't necessarily show in my weight you just want to know your headaches I know you had doctors involved were those diagnosed as being related to dairy in your diet or was there no clear diagnosis because many migraine headaches are related to you know cheese and Dara so just ask um I my doctors didn't find anything I went to different neurologist I'm at some point i got like i did a headache calendar or whatever you want to call it where I was just like for a full year was filling up every day how I was feeling and the headaches also include like light sensitivity like I couldn't stand if there was some kind of light in a room in front of me especially um natural light was really hard for me I would sometimes even get like just dizzy from it like really bad but um okay good so I was just asking if that was known to be diet related or for them related so I think so correctly from wrong but I think for some people even though free Lee's diet is crazy they think it must be working because it helps them with some other health conditions we were wrong but I imagine that for you and for people like you the feeling is well my headaches got better so the diet must be good it must be right I must stick with it and I must believe in all the other things because there's this one symptom that got better would you when you say that's true um yeah like um when I first switch to cooked food I got a setback I'd say in my head aches because I was I guess my gut flora wasn't used to the to the starches and I had a problem with rice for sometimes like I remember one time I ain't like I didn't have fruits i just ate like rice and vegetables and i got a migraine for a whole week that was not awesome now i don't have any problem with it whatsoever but yeah like rattle for it can improve other symptoms so people just take it as a given oh yeah just like I'm just gonna gain weight for a while but I got better in like another part of my life that was ruined before we know I'm hannya of the channel chania mania this is my interpretation of her but she had a number of health problems that she thought the raw till 4 diet had cured so way back so a couple years ago she was a believer because she switched diets and then these health problems went away but eventually what she figured out was no the health problems came back again like you know they just gotten better or temporarily and they didn't really relate to the diet and the Dietetics s problems but I think for her I think it took her several years to to get rid of that impression where she felt this diet had cured me therefore this diet has all the answers and therefore even if it's 3,000 calories a day she should she should follow the other elements the diet but that's for you Craig me wrong you you actually were already interested in raw foodism before you got involved with free leaves diet so for you you actually went from a raw food diet to the raw till 4 diet okay that's unusual yeah yeah I actually at the beginning I didn't even understand her accent so yeah I just couldn't watch the videos for a while no sure i'm sure you've improved your english by listening to durianrider and freely swearing a lot you learned a lot of curse words from Australia learning English with freely and durianrider 101 Eagles so at what point did you did you stop believing or when did he start to question the kind of freely program because I mean obviously the weight gain alone so I mean one shows at some point you notice that you were gaining weight was that what made you question it or was it a totally unrelated issue not at all because I as I said before I thought he was just part of the healing process and um like I never really cared about my weight and since the diet since Pete gave me like my life back in a cert in a way it didn't matter to me so then so my questions then when did you start to question the the basic ideas that I was built on what I mean was it just did you read something or did you just think about it and what what happened like I always was aware that like it didn't satisfy me and I figured out it was like to log pad because i was doing 90 95 5 for most of the time and i think it's way too low especially for a young person yeah um yeah did you have any of the other problems that did you lose your period due to the very low faq on it or any other health problems or no you did okay no I had um generally my health improved it was just um the weight gain basically Moreland all right because I didn't really put any weight like my health was so much more important to me than my weight so I didn't really care so it was like even if it was even if I didn't feel satisfied um it gave me so much more else um back for my life other vitality criminal about about one year ago today I think you were still kind of a true believer in freeland so I mean good gang crime if I'm wrong so I'm guessing so during the last year you've been living in Asia and you've been thinking about things different angles so what what what do you think has changed you can just speak more general what do you think has changed in your life or your understanding during the last year um guess just more experience looking at different people not just being influenced by one person starting to think bit more myself um basic stuff and also um probably that I just didn't really lose any weight but my health like but my help was fine so um like I had my health back any wool doesn't look like that super awesome effect since it wasn't just like a week ago that a family felt better so that were off that like priority and the help i like the way one rice let's say we started to question them it's interesting i mean i had one person writing into me one fan of my channel and she gained a lot of weight i forget but more than 40 pounds she need a lot of weight over a long time on high carb low fat so over years and years but i would guess I mean for her the combination of I have to do this it's good for my health even if when I look in the mirror I'm getting fatter and fatter instead of getting thinner but also feeling face then they preach right well but doesn't exist um but but then also I mean this is paired with like emotionally I'm saving the world like this is morally good this is the way to save the world this is the way to cure cancer this is the way to save the environment so think that combination of being beautiful being strong saving the world it's quite a I mean it for a young person it's influential but actually the woman who wrote to me she's of more than 40 years old so even for her I mean this was this was quite a powerful kind of you know religious experience this combination of things am I I never got too much into the the weight thing because I had an experience were in middle school I was at the boarding school like one of the girls that I was in the room which she got she became anorexic and at some point she was just measuring herself and also went to measure myself yeah so that experience like really like said the alarm bell self and always made me aware that don't ever go down that road and she was she thought she was really fat and we were about the same like sighs and I was like a few centimeters like bigger around my waist and she she was destroyed she was like how can you be so skinny and she was she was skinnier at me she could she didn't get it at all so that was like an experience that always like made me work don't ever like care too much about like you like not the body but like the the slimness Hey look I'm happy for you in some ways me at the start of this conversation I learned you've really kind of turned around your experience in Thailand and made it into an educational opportunity I mean if you're getting a basis I mean that sincerely studying Japanese and just having the experience of in Thailand I hope you're getting something positive out of it but I mean at the time corrective wrong but I think you were also influenced by freely enduring writer I at the time were you were you planning to never go back to high school were you planning to stay dropped out of school or did it influence the way you thought about your own future that way and and your reasons for being in Thailand or being in Asia has that changed or not if it if it hasn't you can say it's fine lots of things have changed for me like I always had issues with my family so there is like a lid let's call it in a very minor way like conflict um so for me going to tell it was like a like ecstasy like an emotional level so fruit and for me like since I my experience in school was the best with the headaches and changing schools and like the new school I went was like a complete waste of time because I didn't have to study the whole year to pass with decent grades um so it was just like why am I wasting my time in school but I'm not even learning anything combined with the ecstasy feeling of the of the festival it would seem stupid to me to go back to to that so I say and dropped out of high school when to travel around Southeast Asia Indonesia I psych singapura cycle through Malaysia and I came back to to chime I since that was like where the happy feelings came from um obviously when I came back he wasn't the same as the festival since there wasn't as many people it was like more of a normal kind of thing um ya know the magistrate's interesting but I mean now obviously I mean in some ways it's a very negative experience in life but you've gained some new perspective on it and I mean I think I think you are actually coming out of this a lot you know richer for the experience in some sense but I mean I think it's interesting with the next ty fruit festival coming up I think you'll be able to look back and compare how different you are as a person you know one year ago versus now and it sounds to me now like you do have some idea for your own long-term future and you know Asia and Asian languages are going to be a part of which I can relate to because that's that's how I felt when I was younger too you know and and that you know ultimately getting an education and getting a job as a part of it but you know meanwhile to say other people are ice do see them dropping at a school talked about that repeatedly on my channel and kind of worshipping this being on vacation forever thing it's like well you know somebody somebody has to be a medical doctor somebody has to go to school and work in a hospital somebody you know all the things that make life possible all those respectable rolls all that responsibility it's still it's still waiting for you and you know not everyone can live like durianrider and not everyone wants to so yeah I try to talk about that stuff okay pretty horrible I mean from drug use to welfare and everything it's just recently that he like turned his life around yeah well I've said that on my channel many times like if you were my own brother you know I would just say I'm so happy if you're like I'm so happy you got off the drugs I'm so happy you're not homeless I'm so happy you're not in jail and that would be hit but he's in a very strangely influential position over people who you know one way or another are kind of weak enough to fall under his spell which you know because I think when people get like hooked on to them when they were in some kind of like emotionally unstable place and that's why they look up to them because they they give them direction they give them like hope to give them a mission to give them purpose so that's why I think also people are so um like so extreme in their way of like sticking to them even if they say something completely ridiculous and disrespectful or or even if they just gained 20 pounds or gained 15 kilos or were they were ignoring that even it's so much because it like you think it gave you so much money value right right what preach that uh what's it again like attitude of gratitude hard [ __ ] up hardened to [ __ ] up no excuses just do it that kind of like right and that that also leads ultimately to victim blaming because if you're fat it's your fault it can't be free least fault it can't be the diet's full you should feel bad etc etc yeah so I'll just measure has been manipulated or anything or just like make some belief or or or just you know you may have a job where you can't burn 3,000 calories a day you know not everyone is doing long-distance cycling I i mentioned in my chair I used to do long-distance cycling in Thailand and it's true you can burn a ton of calories just the sweating even more than the muscular says is the heat but you know if you if you sit at a desk reading books all day you can't you can't hold down that place though and I was just good measure I think it's funny the contrast because many of the people who endorse freely and durianrider where they they kind of promote them and they they want their own YouTube channel to be promoted their friends they don't follow the high carb low fat diet they're vegans like all the bodybuilders including the ones who are personal friends with durianrider they're all tracking their macros you know keeping their calorie count low keeping their protein intake hi so it's a protein limited carbohydrate limited character and I was talking about vegan cheetah with this actually didn't put the video on my channel so it was a private conversation but I remember he was fine with it but I was saying to him like look so cheetah said even you you've been afraid to talk about what your diet really is and said I know I know he's afraid of it like the talking about restricting calories has become taboo people are afraid to talk about it now I'm not saying normal people need to if you want to be a competitive bodybuilder I mean like vegan vegan cheetah he's he's trying to keep his muscle mass as high as possible and his fat as as low as possible naturally low you know so that you know when bodybuilders when they pose you can see the muscle standing out clearly now that less than one percent of people are ever going to do that normal normal people do not need a body builders diet or training but to me that's always just been such an incongruous contrast or it's like well the people who are promoting your diet or promoting your YouTube channel they don't remotely follow these kind of pseudo medical that they're not eating unlimited carbohydrates they're eating limited cover it's and I'm not you know seen unlimited yeah you also i'll just say I mean I nobody wants to know about my diet cuz I'm not an athlete myself but I I do eat a high-carb low-fat diet my diet has amazing a little fat in it I don't look that great that's why I wouldn't preach it my diet consists here in Canada right now consists entirely of like bananas bagels and I've got some grapefruit so it's it's all fruit and bread my diet I'm vegan and I take I take a multivitamin I take I do take supplements to make sure I'm getting you know vitamin b12 in the violence but if I wanted to look like a bodybuilder I wouldn't be doing this at all and if I wanted to look like a model be doing something else and so on so anyway I just Mitchell so so I told you this a private conversation but like for me the main thing that's appealing about having a lot of fruit in your diet is that you're doing less cooking and for me I live alone I don't really want to cook a complex pasta and then sit need it alone you know like to me it's kind of point so I just say there were other reasons that have nothing if weight loss you know for why I eat a lot of fruit or why why other people might be drawn to a fruitarian or high carb high carb low fat lifestyle so hmm anyway cool i wanted to keep this this interview relatively short so shall we stop it here from my perspective I'm going to see you in Chiang Mai in a couple of weeks because we're both going to be in Thailand so I'm eight I may wear a disguise so that you know during writers followers don't hunt me down so I don't know i'll get i'll get some get some big sunglasses or something but in that great great talk julia and again I'm I learned a lot of things about you talking now that I didn't know before and I'm really happy for you so you know and maybe both of us maybe Japanese we part of our futures and maybe tiling to be part of our futures but you know stay in touch that I hope I talk all the time on my channel that how hard it is to know five people you can cooperate with and you know how hard it is to keep in touch with people when you're a nomad when you live in countries so I hope you're one of the five people I still know five years from now