My Apology to Norvegan.
31 October 2017 [link youtube]
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hey guys this is an apology video being
made for noir vegan and he very formally shall we say demanded an apology from me and I'm giving it to him I have a long history of this behavior on YouTube I'm actually quite eager to give people apologies sometimes it helps and sometimes it doesn't a charming young fellow named Josh who uses the YouTube moniker or vegan revolution way back before before he started hating them for anything got out of control I made a YouTube video apologizing to him didn't help at an early stage of my conflict with durianrider he demanded that I make an apology video was actually he didn't demand an apology to him he demanded that I apologize too freely and I was wrong I was saying great let's do so and I apologized as much as I possibly could although in that case you know I did have to use my imagination a bit to see how I had really wronged freely like on a factual level the videos I made about freely were entirely accurate now in this case with noir vegan I understand why it's upset I understand why he's demanding an apology I hope from his perspective he can understand that from my position there's been a haze of misinformation and it's not reasonable to expect me to know well to know something I haven't been told just put it that way in a recent interview a video that was a dialogue with another youtuber a video that I will now unlist you know I will not have listed on YouTube just because the few seconds in it that mentioned nor vegan upsetting everything but that's fine I can elicit I got over 750 first on my channel it's not going to hurt me down list that one if it's gonna you know make him feel better if it's gonna address what he feels is you know real grievance in a video I made which was a spontaneous live conversation I was being asked about noir vegans recent video that time quite a new video in which he filmed himself at YouTube headquarters and he certainly insinuated that he was responsible for during writers Channel being removed from circulation all I have to say currently in San Francisco at the YouTube headquarters I'm actually going to Hawaii I'm just stopping by San Francisco because I had some business to take care of here so yeah I'm hearing that tumblr had choruses in New York and I'd like to go to New York and there is proof each if it was channel is taken down down down you can't slander people now he is very offended than in that video in a smudgy Gnaeus conversation I suggested that this might be a lie I didn't say I knew that for a fact I didn't say like I know for a fact he's lying it was actually in a list of passports mentioned said well maybe he's lying he's certainly capable of lying and I also said you know maybe he's exaggerating and I said maybe he's mislead himself maybe he was misled by whatever the employees at YouTube had to say to him they might have said something reassuring like we'll take care of it and he thought that meant they were going to take to him write his channel down this was my speculation but he obviously was very very hurt that I would suggest that he's capable of lying or that he might be lying with a specific thing now irony of ironies he writes to me today I only got this email today I live on the Chinese timezone I got an email from today in which he claims you know why would you mean he openly asserts that in that video he was trolling so this is a peculiar situation in terms of email etiquette he is insisting he didn't lie in that video but that he was trolling so long story short the video he made was deceptive and misleading and it was intentionally deceptive and misleading but heat from his perspective that was trolling that was not a lie now it is a very very peculiar thing that Michael would be so offended at my misinterpretation of his trolling as lying and in this case the particular for trolling does involve intentionally misleading his audience which he you know again he owns - he's not claiming that he wasn't you know he knows that he you know sat there in front of YouTube headquarters and was leading the audience to believe something that was not true or not accurate so this is coming pretty close to a lie Michael but nevertheless Michael is very offended that I was just as lying but nevertheless it's not with a reason it's not trivial so something else I did not know until today because nobody ever told me this and in the contrary what I was told was the opposite Michael has told me that he is pressing ahead with rape allegations against her and and he made it about rape although Hanna's said nothing about rape in her video Noah went back and checked one of his older videos and it in a very confusing very concealed manner in a manner that I missed I didn't get it when I watched his earlier video he has actually said that at least once publicly before and we're gonna make it about three just that's how they wanted I didn't get it when I watched his earlier video he has actually said that at least once publicly before that in terms of the the direction he's going with his series of videos in a period of months his conclusion is actually that he's going to make rape allegations against earring writer and for that reason he is very concerned to have anyone on the internet say that he's a liar or capable of lying about anything so he gonna be fully transparent as Holly won it and we're gonna let you be the judge that's Holly won it and we're gonna make it about rape just that's all he wanted again I sympathize I now understand and only now after receive this email from him okay so that's the situation is in this situation is in is that he is being extremely vigilant about his online credibility and he's extremely upset you know just fine you know it's nothing wrong with being upset because he is basically in the process of putting together rape allegations against the public figure and that is very very serious business and once again I objected to durianrider making allegations against me he accused ISIL of inviting young girls back to his apartment or his hotel room and that's exactly what I experienced the irony of it is that it wasn't ISIL that invited me back to his hometown it was Holly it is completely hypocritical of Holly to accuse someone asked of contacting young girls on the internet learning them vectors are tolerant ask them for sex when that is literally exactly what he himself has done to a totally baseless and totally false and daring writer knew he was lying and we've now gone to court and most you guys watch this video already know the whole story but I did not do that because I wanted to live in a world where other people made reckless allegations against durianrider so you guys may not remember this but in the past I stood up to and durianrider when he was the one being defamed by vegan cheetah also known as Charles Marlow I've actually repeatedly had to stand up for and defend during right in just that sense the reason being I wanted to make it clear to people look my fundraiser was called vegans against violence and defamation I don't just want people to stop defaming me that's not the point that's not the point of the donations I'm not just opposed to defamation when I'm the one being defamed I'm a post defamation across the board I'm opposed to these kinds of reckless allegations and infighting I'm opposed to it even when durianrider is the one being defamed when durianrider is the victim of you know slander of someone blacking his character and definitely back when vegan cheetah was doing it that was just reckless slander that was defamation as a as a sport that was cheetah just trying to get more views but I think making up salacious and false news tensions viewers so obviously that is not the situation Michael is in that's not the situation nor picking his n however without having been said I have to insist again I have absolutely no inside information about this until today when Noor vegan wrote to me clarifying this fact and demanding an apology I had no basis to apologize and I had no understanding what this was my knowledge the situation was based on one Skype conversation I had with Hannah Hannah Chloe Hannah Chloe is Michael's girlfriend sorry for those no no and you know like a couple of emails which didn't really tell me much alright and one written statement from Hannah that was on YouTube that clarified what she said in her earlier video an earlier video that was I think we can all say intentionally vague you know she made a video that that definitely did not use the rape word and since then they followed up by saying this wasn't about rape and he made it about rape although Hannah's said nothing about rape in her video but I think Michael had those pointers now he's come to a turn in the road where they are pursuing this as allegations of rape and as such a course that changes the significance of the whole narrative leading at this point the second act was basically the same as the first night he asked me if I thought about what we talked about the night before and I said yes I had thought about it and the answer was still none but he didn't respect my answer he kissed me anyway and then started to ask for more I ended up making excuses I had a friend in my apartment but I had to get back to I was in my period I was uncomfortable with how close it was to break up with freely but he didn't listen to my excuses and he continued to ask me for more at the time I looked up to him because he'd always been nice to me and I saw him as a friend and he made it about rape although Hannah said nothing about rape in her video now obviously I haven't explained every single detail of the situation and honestly I already feel uncomfortable revealing this much but I do feel that it's important for me to speak up because the behavior that Holly is accusing eyes our love is exactly what I experienced Michael hable nor vegan look man I think you've been under a lot of pressure I think you've received email from hundreds of people in the last couple of months and you've probably written email to people in last couple months so I think one of the mistakes you're making here is just assuming I know things I don't know assuming you've told me things you haven't told me you know I think and I think that's understandable for someone in your position you are probably writing a lot of emails about exactly this issue to a lot of different people and you know you may you may just be assuming that I know warm of the situation or care more about the situation that I do you're a complete stranger to me I'm not involved in your business I'm not involved in your drama so you know I mean just you can't expect somebody to know something they don't know you can't get so angry that I've said it somebody when they don't know and even in this case the actual spark for this apology doesn't even have to do with the big R word it doesn't have to do with rape it just has to do with fact that he was he was extremely upset and offended that I would say he was lying in a video where he was in fact trolling it's my work I have to say is that but again me I'm an outsider I just watched the video I didn't talk to him I did eminence information it's is it really reasonable to be you know so harsh towards someone who has no bad intentions and you just saying well I watched this video apparently it's misleading or untrue he says it's misleading it untrue because it's trolling and therefore not a lie ok Michael I'll hand that to you you know from perspective I have no conflict with you back when I made videos that were supportive of Hannah Chloe those were based on her own public account of what happened with her and durianrider they weren't based on any inset information and then I was shocked when more than a year later you Michael were writing to me complaining that my version of events in those old videos was fundamentally an agreement with durianrider and was not an agreement with Hannah and it was like well what are you talking about man like oh but holly simply needs to stop accusing other people of behavior that he himself is guilty of how did you accuse people of reaching out to young girls online in order to ask them for sex when you yourself has done that you accuse a lot of other people of being on the juice when you yourself are currently on steroids Holly stop the accusations towards other people of behavior that you yourself are guilty of please stop creating drama and infighting within the vegan community and focus on the bigger issues here and he admitted about rape although Hannah's said nothing about rape her video and it was like well what are you talking about man like I love the you know in those videos I very briefly allude to things that I have no source of information for aside from Hanna herself so you know if you're gonna come on the internet and you're gonna trade in information that has intentional omissions or is in this way like in the case of this trolling intentionally misleading he certainly has his reasons for that as he has said to me bluntly he sees himself as being in the position of building up to of building a case for rape allegations of putting that together step by step okay you know I take his word for it of course okay so I assume they have a rape case and they want to present it to the world and maybe they want to present it in course it's put me maybe they want to present it in court how would I know that my information this again for more than a year ago was that one video from Hannah like one written comment she made one Skype conversation out with her nobody told me this least of all you Michael so long story short I hope you accept this apology and get on with your life I'm actually going to Hawaii I'm just stopping by San Francisco because I have some business that character and there is proof did you it was
made for noir vegan and he very formally shall we say demanded an apology from me and I'm giving it to him I have a long history of this behavior on YouTube I'm actually quite eager to give people apologies sometimes it helps and sometimes it doesn't a charming young fellow named Josh who uses the YouTube moniker or vegan revolution way back before before he started hating them for anything got out of control I made a YouTube video apologizing to him didn't help at an early stage of my conflict with durianrider he demanded that I make an apology video was actually he didn't demand an apology to him he demanded that I apologize too freely and I was wrong I was saying great let's do so and I apologized as much as I possibly could although in that case you know I did have to use my imagination a bit to see how I had really wronged freely like on a factual level the videos I made about freely were entirely accurate now in this case with noir vegan I understand why it's upset I understand why he's demanding an apology I hope from his perspective he can understand that from my position there's been a haze of misinformation and it's not reasonable to expect me to know well to know something I haven't been told just put it that way in a recent interview a video that was a dialogue with another youtuber a video that I will now unlist you know I will not have listed on YouTube just because the few seconds in it that mentioned nor vegan upsetting everything but that's fine I can elicit I got over 750 first on my channel it's not going to hurt me down list that one if it's gonna you know make him feel better if it's gonna address what he feels is you know real grievance in a video I made which was a spontaneous live conversation I was being asked about noir vegans recent video that time quite a new video in which he filmed himself at YouTube headquarters and he certainly insinuated that he was responsible for during writers Channel being removed from circulation all I have to say currently in San Francisco at the YouTube headquarters I'm actually going to Hawaii I'm just stopping by San Francisco because I had some business to take care of here so yeah I'm hearing that tumblr had choruses in New York and I'd like to go to New York and there is proof each if it was channel is taken down down down you can't slander people now he is very offended than in that video in a smudgy Gnaeus conversation I suggested that this might be a lie I didn't say I knew that for a fact I didn't say like I know for a fact he's lying it was actually in a list of passports mentioned said well maybe he's lying he's certainly capable of lying and I also said you know maybe he's exaggerating and I said maybe he's mislead himself maybe he was misled by whatever the employees at YouTube had to say to him they might have said something reassuring like we'll take care of it and he thought that meant they were going to take to him write his channel down this was my speculation but he obviously was very very hurt that I would suggest that he's capable of lying or that he might be lying with a specific thing now irony of ironies he writes to me today I only got this email today I live on the Chinese timezone I got an email from today in which he claims you know why would you mean he openly asserts that in that video he was trolling so this is a peculiar situation in terms of email etiquette he is insisting he didn't lie in that video but that he was trolling so long story short the video he made was deceptive and misleading and it was intentionally deceptive and misleading but heat from his perspective that was trolling that was not a lie now it is a very very peculiar thing that Michael would be so offended at my misinterpretation of his trolling as lying and in this case the particular for trolling does involve intentionally misleading his audience which he you know again he owns - he's not claiming that he wasn't you know he knows that he you know sat there in front of YouTube headquarters and was leading the audience to believe something that was not true or not accurate so this is coming pretty close to a lie Michael but nevertheless Michael is very offended that I was just as lying but nevertheless it's not with a reason it's not trivial so something else I did not know until today because nobody ever told me this and in the contrary what I was told was the opposite Michael has told me that he is pressing ahead with rape allegations against her and and he made it about rape although Hanna's said nothing about rape in her video Noah went back and checked one of his older videos and it in a very confusing very concealed manner in a manner that I missed I didn't get it when I watched his earlier video he has actually said that at least once publicly before and we're gonna make it about three just that's how they wanted I didn't get it when I watched his earlier video he has actually said that at least once publicly before that in terms of the the direction he's going with his series of videos in a period of months his conclusion is actually that he's going to make rape allegations against earring writer and for that reason he is very concerned to have anyone on the internet say that he's a liar or capable of lying about anything so he gonna be fully transparent as Holly won it and we're gonna let you be the judge that's Holly won it and we're gonna make it about rape just that's all he wanted again I sympathize I now understand and only now after receive this email from him okay so that's the situation is in this situation is in is that he is being extremely vigilant about his online credibility and he's extremely upset you know just fine you know it's nothing wrong with being upset because he is basically in the process of putting together rape allegations against the public figure and that is very very serious business and once again I objected to durianrider making allegations against me he accused ISIL of inviting young girls back to his apartment or his hotel room and that's exactly what I experienced the irony of it is that it wasn't ISIL that invited me back to his hometown it was Holly it is completely hypocritical of Holly to accuse someone asked of contacting young girls on the internet learning them vectors are tolerant ask them for sex when that is literally exactly what he himself has done to a totally baseless and totally false and daring writer knew he was lying and we've now gone to court and most you guys watch this video already know the whole story but I did not do that because I wanted to live in a world where other people made reckless allegations against durianrider so you guys may not remember this but in the past I stood up to and durianrider when he was the one being defamed by vegan cheetah also known as Charles Marlow I've actually repeatedly had to stand up for and defend during right in just that sense the reason being I wanted to make it clear to people look my fundraiser was called vegans against violence and defamation I don't just want people to stop defaming me that's not the point that's not the point of the donations I'm not just opposed to defamation when I'm the one being defamed I'm a post defamation across the board I'm opposed to these kinds of reckless allegations and infighting I'm opposed to it even when durianrider is the one being defamed when durianrider is the victim of you know slander of someone blacking his character and definitely back when vegan cheetah was doing it that was just reckless slander that was defamation as a as a sport that was cheetah just trying to get more views but I think making up salacious and false news tensions viewers so obviously that is not the situation Michael is in that's not the situation nor picking his n however without having been said I have to insist again I have absolutely no inside information about this until today when Noor vegan wrote to me clarifying this fact and demanding an apology I had no basis to apologize and I had no understanding what this was my knowledge the situation was based on one Skype conversation I had with Hannah Hannah Chloe Hannah Chloe is Michael's girlfriend sorry for those no no and you know like a couple of emails which didn't really tell me much alright and one written statement from Hannah that was on YouTube that clarified what she said in her earlier video an earlier video that was I think we can all say intentionally vague you know she made a video that that definitely did not use the rape word and since then they followed up by saying this wasn't about rape and he made it about rape although Hannah's said nothing about rape in her video but I think Michael had those pointers now he's come to a turn in the road where they are pursuing this as allegations of rape and as such a course that changes the significance of the whole narrative leading at this point the second act was basically the same as the first night he asked me if I thought about what we talked about the night before and I said yes I had thought about it and the answer was still none but he didn't respect my answer he kissed me anyway and then started to ask for more I ended up making excuses I had a friend in my apartment but I had to get back to I was in my period I was uncomfortable with how close it was to break up with freely but he didn't listen to my excuses and he continued to ask me for more at the time I looked up to him because he'd always been nice to me and I saw him as a friend and he made it about rape although Hannah said nothing about rape in her video now obviously I haven't explained every single detail of the situation and honestly I already feel uncomfortable revealing this much but I do feel that it's important for me to speak up because the behavior that Holly is accusing eyes our love is exactly what I experienced Michael hable nor vegan look man I think you've been under a lot of pressure I think you've received email from hundreds of people in the last couple of months and you've probably written email to people in last couple months so I think one of the mistakes you're making here is just assuming I know things I don't know assuming you've told me things you haven't told me you know I think and I think that's understandable for someone in your position you are probably writing a lot of emails about exactly this issue to a lot of different people and you know you may you may just be assuming that I know warm of the situation or care more about the situation that I do you're a complete stranger to me I'm not involved in your business I'm not involved in your drama so you know I mean just you can't expect somebody to know something they don't know you can't get so angry that I've said it somebody when they don't know and even in this case the actual spark for this apology doesn't even have to do with the big R word it doesn't have to do with rape it just has to do with fact that he was he was extremely upset and offended that I would say he was lying in a video where he was in fact trolling it's my work I have to say is that but again me I'm an outsider I just watched the video I didn't talk to him I did eminence information it's is it really reasonable to be you know so harsh towards someone who has no bad intentions and you just saying well I watched this video apparently it's misleading or untrue he says it's misleading it untrue because it's trolling and therefore not a lie ok Michael I'll hand that to you you know from perspective I have no conflict with you back when I made videos that were supportive of Hannah Chloe those were based on her own public account of what happened with her and durianrider they weren't based on any inset information and then I was shocked when more than a year later you Michael were writing to me complaining that my version of events in those old videos was fundamentally an agreement with durianrider and was not an agreement with Hannah and it was like well what are you talking about man like oh but holly simply needs to stop accusing other people of behavior that he himself is guilty of how did you accuse people of reaching out to young girls online in order to ask them for sex when you yourself has done that you accuse a lot of other people of being on the juice when you yourself are currently on steroids Holly stop the accusations towards other people of behavior that you yourself are guilty of please stop creating drama and infighting within the vegan community and focus on the bigger issues here and he admitted about rape although Hannah's said nothing about rape her video and it was like well what are you talking about man like I love the you know in those videos I very briefly allude to things that I have no source of information for aside from Hanna herself so you know if you're gonna come on the internet and you're gonna trade in information that has intentional omissions or is in this way like in the case of this trolling intentionally misleading he certainly has his reasons for that as he has said to me bluntly he sees himself as being in the position of building up to of building a case for rape allegations of putting that together step by step okay you know I take his word for it of course okay so I assume they have a rape case and they want to present it to the world and maybe they want to present it in course it's put me maybe they want to present it in court how would I know that my information this again for more than a year ago was that one video from Hannah like one written comment she made one Skype conversation out with her nobody told me this least of all you Michael so long story short I hope you accept this apology and get on with your life I'm actually going to Hawaii I'm just stopping by San Francisco because I have some business that character and there is proof did you it was