Joe Vegan Will Fail: His Fantasy Farm Ain't Gonna Happen.
27 November 2016 [link youtube]
Joe Vegan's proposed animal sanctuary (originally projected as costing only $600 per month!) is not feasible, his claims about it are not credible, and his wishful thinking about the subject (after the collapse of his "drama" channel) increasingly resembles the fantasy of the permanent vacation (in Thailand) that he escaped from, just a few chapters earlier in this same story.
If you're looking for the link to my earlier video (alluded to here) on the high cost of keeping horses and pigs alive (in a so-called sanctuary), it is titled, "The $600 Sanctuary Delusion": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLqPmh05WWU
In terms of the ethical questions I raise (on this channel) about animal sanctuaries in general (and not about Joe's project in specific), check out the following video (only two minutes long) and the links to earlier videos in its description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG5UeDlFlQU
Youtube Automatic Transcription
this is my attempt to do a short video
that's actually short it's a strange irony of my life that just a few months ago or some number of weeks ago a guy named Joe vegan was actively denouncing me and defaming me because he felt that my fundraiser was not legitimate or not legitimate enough by his standards the Joe vegan is a guy I had email with I talked to on skype once and who I offered to speak to again I invited him to come on this channel over a period of many months when we had no conflict between us partly because I wanted him to defend his proposal for opening an animal sanctuary okay now as time progressed Joe's relationship with me disintegrated because I felt he was actively lying about me and defaming me in a way that really harmed me um because I had my own fundraiser and I took those funds and I directly paid a lawyer as part of a drama the most of you already know about and I don't need to summarize and the court case is still ongoing providing you with hours and hours of entertainment and many wonderful phone calls with my lawyer and believe me if you thought this court case was looking to be wrapped up in only three months I'm pretty sure my lawyer thought that too so I got a great price on a very fine international law firm in Thailand who's done a lot of work for me and I think they're still gonna be doing work for me for many months in 2017 I'm sure they're not happy but I'm not happy where either but that's another story so Joe vegans relationship with me presta those stages and then turned a corner when he had some kind of psychological breakdown midlife crisis he lost faith in his own project what he was doing on his channel he's out to never again do vegan drama and he reinvented himself with the bright bold new idea of filming himself eating lunch and talking about what he eats in a day he basically went back to doing what ninety-nine percent of people and vegan YouTube do and he lost I don't know fifty percent of his audience wild guess okay but one of the oddities is that throughout these sequent transformations Joe vegan has nevertheless continued to prepare owned and promote this vision that in the immediate future like within the next year he's gonna be opening an animal sanctuary he's asking you for donations for him to open and operate his own animal sanctuary and when I just now asked my own small audience here live streaming does anyone believe within the next 12 months this guy is actually moving to Portugal this guy is actually opening his own animal sanctuary nobody believed it okay there's one guy who said yes he does believe that Joe vegans going to do it he believes Joe vegans going to try and Jovians gonna fail okay from my perspective at no point has Joe given us a convincing feasibility study suggesting he can actually do this and I made a video that Joe just never applied to and disparage oh just complain that i made a negative video about him i made a very constructive criticism of joe pointing out just how much money it is to take care of one horse or to take care of one pig for one year the costs of running an animal sanctuary are very very high the amount of labor required is very very high etc etc and though that actually sparked a whole bunch of useful conversations because some of my own supporters on patreon they have volunteered in animal sanctuaries in the past there are people who knew about the finances you know about the labor who knew about the veterinary care there are all kinds of dimensions to this question that are actually really fascinating worth discussing with in veganism and I wish Joe had had it in his heart at any point to come on the channel and have a constructive discussion about this i would love to imagine that he has a well informed opinion but frankly it just seems like he never did any research all of that is on the feasibility study side from my perspective there are also really interesting ethical questions raised by the basic concept of an animal sanctuary I actually think it's very problematic that we presume an animal sanctuary is something so much morally superior to a petting zoo simply because we say it is i actually think many of the same moral and ethical quandaries we get into with zoos and petting zoos exist for animal sanctuaries also and many vegans are in a state of blissful ignorance about that but with all I've ever even said those are all issues worth discussing Joe vegan what are you doing in the next 12 months you're not defaming me on the internet anymore I'm very happy about that not doing beacon dram anymore I'm very happy with that you've given up doing comedy and satire in many ways I think that's a great shame maybe your talent in life still is comedy and satire you just have to find a way to do comedy and satire that doesn't involve defamation and mean-spirited gossip you wouldn't be the first um but when I see you talking on your own channel about this fantasy that in the very near future you're going to be living in Portugal it sounds to me like you've gone back to the same fantasy of permanent vacation that not too long ago made you a devout follower of durianrider made you buy an airplane ticket to chain my tile and it seems to me you've just gone back to believing in a permanent vacation but now the permanent vacation you're fantasizing about is that your patron subscribers will pay for your cost of living in Portugal and maybe they will but from my perspective that's really very problematic because unlike my fundraising and my charity that was linked to a very clear purpose it was very clear where the money was going what the money was doing whether or not we win the court case everyone's innocent til proven guilty blah blah blah asking your patron subscribers to pay for you to go on vacation in Portugal is not going to save even one animal and as I already sketched out in earlier video the cost of saving one horse or one Pig apart from all the ethical problems to come up in that is actually remarkably high and I've never seen you sketch of a feasibility study for how you're even going to save five horses or five pigs or 50 cats or 500 guinea pigs and it's not too much to ask for you Joe it's not too much especially given my history with you it's not too much to ask
that's actually short it's a strange irony of my life that just a few months ago or some number of weeks ago a guy named Joe vegan was actively denouncing me and defaming me because he felt that my fundraiser was not legitimate or not legitimate enough by his standards the Joe vegan is a guy I had email with I talked to on skype once and who I offered to speak to again I invited him to come on this channel over a period of many months when we had no conflict between us partly because I wanted him to defend his proposal for opening an animal sanctuary okay now as time progressed Joe's relationship with me disintegrated because I felt he was actively lying about me and defaming me in a way that really harmed me um because I had my own fundraiser and I took those funds and I directly paid a lawyer as part of a drama the most of you already know about and I don't need to summarize and the court case is still ongoing providing you with hours and hours of entertainment and many wonderful phone calls with my lawyer and believe me if you thought this court case was looking to be wrapped up in only three months I'm pretty sure my lawyer thought that too so I got a great price on a very fine international law firm in Thailand who's done a lot of work for me and I think they're still gonna be doing work for me for many months in 2017 I'm sure they're not happy but I'm not happy where either but that's another story so Joe vegans relationship with me presta those stages and then turned a corner when he had some kind of psychological breakdown midlife crisis he lost faith in his own project what he was doing on his channel he's out to never again do vegan drama and he reinvented himself with the bright bold new idea of filming himself eating lunch and talking about what he eats in a day he basically went back to doing what ninety-nine percent of people and vegan YouTube do and he lost I don't know fifty percent of his audience wild guess okay but one of the oddities is that throughout these sequent transformations Joe vegan has nevertheless continued to prepare owned and promote this vision that in the immediate future like within the next year he's gonna be opening an animal sanctuary he's asking you for donations for him to open and operate his own animal sanctuary and when I just now asked my own small audience here live streaming does anyone believe within the next 12 months this guy is actually moving to Portugal this guy is actually opening his own animal sanctuary nobody believed it okay there's one guy who said yes he does believe that Joe vegans going to do it he believes Joe vegans going to try and Jovians gonna fail okay from my perspective at no point has Joe given us a convincing feasibility study suggesting he can actually do this and I made a video that Joe just never applied to and disparage oh just complain that i made a negative video about him i made a very constructive criticism of joe pointing out just how much money it is to take care of one horse or to take care of one pig for one year the costs of running an animal sanctuary are very very high the amount of labor required is very very high etc etc and though that actually sparked a whole bunch of useful conversations because some of my own supporters on patreon they have volunteered in animal sanctuaries in the past there are people who knew about the finances you know about the labor who knew about the veterinary care there are all kinds of dimensions to this question that are actually really fascinating worth discussing with in veganism and I wish Joe had had it in his heart at any point to come on the channel and have a constructive discussion about this i would love to imagine that he has a well informed opinion but frankly it just seems like he never did any research all of that is on the feasibility study side from my perspective there are also really interesting ethical questions raised by the basic concept of an animal sanctuary I actually think it's very problematic that we presume an animal sanctuary is something so much morally superior to a petting zoo simply because we say it is i actually think many of the same moral and ethical quandaries we get into with zoos and petting zoos exist for animal sanctuaries also and many vegans are in a state of blissful ignorance about that but with all I've ever even said those are all issues worth discussing Joe vegan what are you doing in the next 12 months you're not defaming me on the internet anymore I'm very happy about that not doing beacon dram anymore I'm very happy with that you've given up doing comedy and satire in many ways I think that's a great shame maybe your talent in life still is comedy and satire you just have to find a way to do comedy and satire that doesn't involve defamation and mean-spirited gossip you wouldn't be the first um but when I see you talking on your own channel about this fantasy that in the very near future you're going to be living in Portugal it sounds to me like you've gone back to the same fantasy of permanent vacation that not too long ago made you a devout follower of durianrider made you buy an airplane ticket to chain my tile and it seems to me you've just gone back to believing in a permanent vacation but now the permanent vacation you're fantasizing about is that your patron subscribers will pay for your cost of living in Portugal and maybe they will but from my perspective that's really very problematic because unlike my fundraising and my charity that was linked to a very clear purpose it was very clear where the money was going what the money was doing whether or not we win the court case everyone's innocent til proven guilty blah blah blah asking your patron subscribers to pay for you to go on vacation in Portugal is not going to save even one animal and as I already sketched out in earlier video the cost of saving one horse or one Pig apart from all the ethical problems to come up in that is actually remarkably high and I've never seen you sketch of a feasibility study for how you're even going to save five horses or five pigs or 50 cats or 500 guinea pigs and it's not too much to ask for you Joe it's not too much especially given my history with you it's not too much to ask