Jordan Reichert: Vegan Politician.
20 February 2019 [link youtube]
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dude I've seen how you chair meetings
it's not a democracy and it isn't an open symposium in many ways I'm happy for you and I don't want to discourage you if you and your girlfriend are living your dream go ahead for anyone else attending those meetings the situation is follow Jordan or get out now and that's fine but that's not what a campus vegan group should be but this is the funny irony when he first proposed this to me he said hey will you sign will you sign this piece of paper to be a founding member for the University of Victoria vegans group I said to him look man maybe I was 36 at the time whatever was a bunch of years ago look man like I can sign this piece of paper but I've got to tell you student groups are for students like some of these people are gonna be 19 years old and you know like if they know me if they know my YouTube channel or something like that like I can show up and be like a speaker or something I can show up and say hi to people and leave but no I'm not drinking beer with students I'm not smoking weed with students if you guys don't know I never drink beer I never smoke weed anyway but like dude student groups are for students they're not for a grown-ass man in his 30s like you Jordan to try to recruit followers for his off-campus political group which is exactly what you tried to do any time you have to ask yourself an ethical question like this imagine it was some other political party what if it was a right-wing group that was doing what you're doing here Jordan that was trying to recruit University students into an off-campus group by having an older man in his 30s whatever was a left-wing group what it was that what if it was a communist party the youth wing of the Communist Party sends in an old guy like you to control a group into a student group in the way that you're doing you'd say oh that's kind of weird that's kind of creepy and guess what it's probably illegal under university statutes because Jordan wasn't a student at University of Victoria so he couldn't be he could not own or control this group but of course like the controlling maniacal [ __ ] he is that's exactly what he went on to do look guys I ain't gonna lie to you it says on screen right now I know this is a boring video okay I'm not gonna lie to you this is dealing with vegan politics in the sleepy little town of Victoria and I have the map on the left-hand side of the screen for a reason what happens in Victoria is linked to what's happening in Vancouver a much bigger city it's kind of like a half day journey to get to yeah this says you could do it in three hours five hours is more likely whatever the point is this matters as an anecdote in itself because this one guy Jordan Richard made life hell for everybody aspiring to be a vegan activist in Victoria for years I mean I guess it's about four years now since he came back to Victoria it's been awful and I am one of those people where he's really prevented me from being able to do what I wanted to do he's prevented me from even attending events he's managed to monopolize what's going on here in veganism in a really negative way and you know what the reality is most people who didn't like it just went and got involved with activists in Vancouver instead because it's not that far away so I acknowledge that but the broader kind of moral the story here is a lot of people all over the world in veganism have to deal with these kinds of little Hitler's teapot Napoleon's whatever you want to say Jordan Reichert got donations and ran in elections again and again and again this is the general election of 2017 he ran in provincial elections Federal Elections and the most recently in the the municipal city elections needed very very poorly in all of them this this election result 102 votes like dude you should be able to wake up and see that you're doing something wrong in the latest city election in order to win he would have needed to get more than three times as many votes as he did that one's a little bit unusual because it wasn't one-man one-vote everybody got multiple votes you got to spread out your votes all over the ballot kind of thing so dude the numbers are there that you should be willing to really listen to people about what it is you're doing wrong even though I know you're blind to the harm you're doing you're blind to the really negative effect you're happy you're having on people like me and you know it doesn't have to be that many people cuz Victoria is not that big a town you can even see that actually from these vote numbers the total number of votes here is only thirty thousand you managed to get a hundred out of out of thirty thousand two hundred sixty-seven I am NOT making this a popularity contest but just take a second to look at these YouTube numbers okay you managed to get into the mainstream media by confronting the Prime Minister of Canada which is obviously partly just luck and you got 2,200 views on that video that's their top center okay but guess what Jordan nobody literally nobody wants to hear what you have to say look at the numbers on the other videos here okay when you don't have a captive audience when you're not bullying and domineering people nobody wants to listen to your message and you should be able to notice that and take that on board and as a career politician change your strategy and tactics your messaging and your method a little bit and you can't because Jordan you are a domineering [ __ ] and nobody ever says it to your face and that's why you manage to float along on your little cloud with your little circle of supporters and ignore the fact that it's not just you personally or a complete disaster as a vegan political candidate you've had a really negative impact on all the people wanting to make a positive impact through veganism in the little little part of the world okay here's here's Jordans own channel and guys these numbers are inflated because I myself have probably clicked on each of them six or seven times I mean I was coming back to I was wanting to know what was going on in local vegan activism I was one of the year's point of view even though I dislike the guy he absolutely dominates and controls all vegan forms here including the anonymous for the voiceless protests including the University of Victoria vegans group which are going to talk a lot more about in this video so I'm coming back and clicking on these and you're getting number is like 29 views for video 32 0 sorry going back one second here the Animal Protection Party that was your project for years for years and I asked you but you went through a phase Jordan I'm sure you want to lie about it now pretend it never happened you went through a whole phase of getting rid of the word vegan of course DXE did that at about the same time too right action everywhere did this the same thing the owner knows somehow vegan is is a liability it's a problem and you just wanted to go with this name the animal protection party you wanted to get more support from people who were not vegan that way yeah how did that work out for you bro how did that work every 29 views on that video one year later it's a sign I'm not saying YouTube views or everything almost not saying votes are everything but yeah you know what in an election especially in election where you have a couple thousand dollars in donations I don't know your exact budget Jordan but I've seen I've seen you spending money on these campaigns you're getting some you're getting some donations and that money might as well been flushed straight down the toilet Jordan because you're not getting results and you're not even communicating a meaningful message so now gonna play you guys just a 1 minute clip of what public speaking from Jordan sounds like and this is only one minute but it's so awful and it's so boring that trust me it's gonna feel like the longest 1 minute of your life I mean unfortunately as they had the right building a local area you're desperate alone they're not well in this world I would be the only way and I am the only opportunity for you and in this body to let somebody filled ways for all ends legislature that's a rare opportunity in Tel Aviv so I'll ask you to remember the tab that was here the same thing when you go to vote because adults have a voice and my partner would remind me that they do because I wrote want a boy stur animals have their own words express it with their body to take specific different way that we all claim are inferior because it different their meaningful they're expressing that they're powerful when we invalidate that point they're nominated part of ourselves so I'm a representative for the boys and here's the sad truth if you think this is bad actually being in a meeting with this guy actually trying to talk politics with him like sitting around table with they're only six or eight people there which is obviously what most vegan activist meetings are like it's way worse because he's being a domineering [ __ ] who won't let anyone else speak and he really does talk this slowly and it really does go on for hours and if you wait for your chance to talk you get to say half a second and then he cuts you off and dismisses you and shuts you down and Jordan you know what the main thing I heard back was from the people who actually wanted this campaign with you they were so disappointing you because you had no motivation because you were a wet blanket talking with the municipal campaigner because you know Jordan we have we have friends in common my new vegan activists who really put time and effort I think some of them also donated money into your campaign to support you and they said man you just seemed depressed and vacant and vacuous and you were just running up he just said nothing worth listening to at any of these public lectures and as I said you Dom all the meetings nobody else gets to speak and it was massively demoralizing for the vegans who support you know not all them not all of them just for the ones who talked to me and I think they talked to me Jordan you know why I'm the one who's willing to question your role as self-appointed dictator for life around here I imagine there are two types of people who are really gonna enjoy this video one type of person has direct experience with Jordan Reichert vegan politician with this one leader in the vegan movement in there's one down in Canada and is here to vent their frustration that's one type of person who's really gonna enjoy this video what she'll is not that person this is that person who can look at this in a broader allegorical framework where the case study were looking at here it represents something that's wrong with vegan politics and maybe you can relate to it sympathetically from some other totally different political struggle you've been a part of some kind of movement maybe even organizing a concert I mean trying to organize anything with people will you deal with this kind of character who is an absolutely resolute tiny tyrant he's like the world's pettiest Hitler ruling with an iron fist over details and making other people cow toe to his authority in the most Picayune of ways and it ultimately makes everybody miserable and he remains blind to it himself as you're gonna see he remains blind to it even when I take the time to sit him down and talk it through it and explain to him exactly what the problem is he remains blind to it most of all because he at all times has a small circle of people who enable him in this case it's his girlfriend and just a couple of other really cult-like followers this guy has I've seen it some of them really do have cult-like OSHA's this guy had put up with his crap and then there's a larger circle of people who will just not their head say nothing and believe me Jordan those people when you're not around say what a piece of crap that you are but they're not getting paid it don't tell you what appeasing they're not your psychoanalyst they're not your friend they're not your enemies they're just feel like I owe ya Jordan's doing it okay good good luck with that during hey good luck and they keep it moving okay this happens on all levels so the conflict I had with Jordan he really shouldn't have been a conflict at all here you see on screen he says to me I need you to state clearly what the problem is right here because there have been no problems until now you seem to be upset that I defended our position on the location we chose for the event now that doesn't tell you so much about what the problem is but I think you're gonna figure it out within the first paragraph of my reply when this was written Jordan I were about the same age so let's say 37 how many years ago is this now something like that and I was a student on University of Victoria campus where I was learning Chinese I say to Jordan here when we first talked about this and I first signed up for the group I said that I would show up and say hello to people just to meet other vegans etc but that there would be limits to my involvement because I don't really think it is appropriate for someone in his mid-30s to be controlling a group of teenagers in a campus group why would you be playing a leadership role in this UVic group as stated I wouldn't do that myself and I really am a UVic student whereas you are not so I have never gotten Jordan to admit to me how it finally ended with this UVic group that he started I sure did get complaints Jordan from students who were in that group they got complaints and they said they were mystified as to why you were even there but the irony of the situation is I was a student at University of Victoria so I was one of the signing members I signed at the beginning so I was a member I was a founder and incense I was one of the five people were supposed to control and organize the group right and Jordan wasn't because Jordan wasn't a student at University of a Taurus so he couldn't be he could not own or control this group but of course like the controlling maniacal [ __ ] he is that's exactly what he went on to do and this conversation started cuz I wrote to him said you know Jordan I was a signing member of that group and I've never been invited to a single event you never told me what happened I was never put in the mailing list for email or whatever was I signed to join that group and then all this time went by and you intentionally froze me out which is what you did Jordan I mean to my knowledge that's what you did because anytime you and I are in the same room you feel I'm a threat to your authority and you have to control a tiny coven of people who will not question you will not interrupt you who do not have their own ideas people who will say just like the people who showed up at your the launch party for your electoral campaign when you ran for government people who will just sit there and say Jordan we support whatever it is you want to do and let you monologue for hours of the most mind-numbing ly boring public meetings imaginable and let me just say guys I'm not someone who finds vegan politics boring I have a very high level of the interest in discussion to where we are and the other parties are saying let's continue doing that we're just going to change things up a little bit left on enough we can't keep leading them out if you like living in the world with our imagine just trying to imagine that that's our cities as in our forest after our oceans without dominance where is the representation in our legislature but them not so imagine you have a moment here Victoria we can help to make history you can elect first but this is the funny irony when he first proposed this to me he said hey will you sign will you sign this piece of paper to be a founding member for the University of Victoria vegans group I said to him look man maybe I was 36 at the time whatever was a bunch of years ago look man like I can sign this piece of paper but I've got to tell you student groups are for students like some of these people are gonna be 19 years old and you know like if they know me if they know my youtube channel or something like that like I can show up and be like a speaker or something I can show up and say hi to people and leave but no I'm not drinking beer with students I'm not smoking weed with students if you guys don't know I never drink beer I never smoke weed anyway but like dude student groups are for students they're not for a grown-ass man in his 30s like you Jordan to try to recruit followers for his off-campus political group which is exactly what you tried to do in my opinion you failed maybe you catch one or two it's not what I heard I heard that you failed and when I asked you about it you just indicated that it was some kind of disaster I don't know but it's really ironic that at that time immediately when I had no time to think about it I said look I can sign this piece of paper but my involvement is gonna be limited and then guess what guess what I find out that's like I think it's more than a year later it was a long time later I asked you what happened to this group many many months later I'd nerd anything about it and I said you know so what happened to the student group I was a signing member of and turns out he did exactly what I explained to him I would consider unethical what I would never do so thus as stated you compose a message in pseudo legalese why are you referring yourself as we in a UVic student message form no it isn't appropriate for you to be quote-unquote regulating a UVic group's Facebook chat by quoting policy statements and speaking in terms of we that's exactly what he did if the UVic club is as you claim controlled by Viva it shouldn't be so Viva is him it's his little it's him and his girlfriend it's their little cult group of their close devotees who are not University students neither an age nor they nor were they like me an older person happens to be world's a student they are not students they're not part of the campus that's your own political group and guys anytime you have to ask yourself an ethical question like this imagine it was some other political party what if it was a right-wing group that was doing what you're doing here Jordan that was trying to recruit university students into an off-campus group by having an older man in his 30s whatever was a left-wing group what it was that what if it was a communist party the youth wing of the Communist Party sends in an old guy like you to control a group into a student group in the way that you're doing you'd say oh that's kind of weird that's kind of creepy and guess what it's probably illegal under university statutes not not the real law but in terms of university rules and regulations probably forbidden on campus right you're right it is forbidden Jordan what you're doing was against the rules it's supposed to be a student group by students and for students not by you not for you Jordan it was totally obvious to me as soon as he did let me into the Facebook group that was exactly what's going on not a front for you to pull UVic students into whatever meeting you and your girlfriend are hosting at Green Cuisine really think about the role you're choosing to play here yes you sound like you're on the world's most hilarious ego trip in speaking in terms of we in that reply why are you making an official policy statement who is the quote unquote weed that you imagined elected you etc and even so why would you way into a UVic forum in this way it's absurd man really so I'm quoting him back here quote UVic vegan Club is a subgroup of Viva so when there are ethical concerns raised about events we are hosting in his mine or other administrators responsibility to trust them he can't even be a member of this group he's not a student this is a student group on campus you're not an administrator you're not a leader no one elected you no one chose you you're not supposed to be here and again even though I was a student I refuse to play this kind of role it's just not appropriate and guys please don't misunderstand me I'm not saying it's creepy I'm not saying it's even well it's against the rules I'm not saying it's criminal it's not appropriate we have to talk about things that are in bad taste and inappropriate and guess what it made people's lives miserable including mine including mine and the couple of people who send me emails or contacted me on Facebook about what a piece of garbage you are Jordan and guess what in a city the size of Victoria like six vegan activists really matter you're not pulling on a talent pool of thousands of vegans so if you're alienating and obstructing what a few vegans like myself and those other people want to do on campus you're having a significant negative impact and why are you doing it for your own ridiculous ego trip as we're gonna try to get through here real quick no I spoke in the first person about my personal reasons for not attending the event in response to other students in the group I wasn't talking to Jordan I was just talking to other students felt while I wasn't gonna show up at a particular event you have absolutely zero responsibility to regulate anything in this conversation zero you aren't even a student but if you spoke about yourself as a normal human being first person singular that would have been a pretty natural or normal response no instead you spoke in terms of we a quote on quote we what do you think that means to a 19 year old member of a group like this everyone could see your baby even when you make that kind of statement everyone see you're claiming to be in a position of authority and you're making it really clear that everyone in that group either has to conform to the rule you're sitting down or get out which is how you run all your groups Jordan that's why it is so miserable to sit in the room while you tyrannical II run your crappy little meanings at Green Cuisine with your coven of admirers dude I've seen how you chair meetings it's not a democracy and it isn't an open symposium in many ways I'm happy for you and I don't want to discourage you if you and your girlfriend are living your dream go ahead for anyone else attending those meetings the situation is follow Jordan or get out now and that's fine but that's not what a campus vegan group should be I'm saying you can do that at Green Cuisine you can do that at the restaurant you can do that in your apartment or a coffee shop don't do that on campus stop screwing up what should be a University vegan group a group I myself would want to keep a kind of respectful distance from because I don't think it's appropriate for me to hang out in a bar and drinking beer with 19 year old students nobody should be looking at your statement on quote-unquote policy phrased in terms of what we believe in a casual conversation of this kind dude how do you think that makes you look i screenshot at your statement and said to a fellow students this is another vegan at the same university by the way I don't mention the shoes again I said to a fellow student about 22 years old a bit older than most and she said that she laughed out loud at both of your statements she also actually told me that she thought this guy was being and that he was only there but it's irrelevant I mean again that is ultimately irrelevant it's not about what's creepy it's about what's appropriate and it's really about having a culture of democracy rather than a culture of autocracy and that's how you ran everything and I think a lot of people fed this experience in vegan activism over the last five years a lot of people send emails about little tyrants who run little movements where they live all around the world making it miserable to be a vegan activist unless you want to work alone I'm not saying that I'm perfect but that's exactly why I do not want to be in a position of authority or leadership over teenagers I go to class with these sane teenagers every day I remember what it was like to have a part-time job at Starbucks etc yeah a university Viktoria vegan Club is a good idea Jordan Reichert operating it as the youth wing of the tiny organization he runs with his girlfriend is not a good idea the fact that you think or feel you have to regulate a harmless comment in which I very clearly said I wasn't trying to per se to persuade anyone else I simply said that I was not going to attend a meeting in a church I was not gonna set foot inside a church instead ever shows just how far off base you slipped in your attitudes here I really am NOT saying this out of any kind of animosity towards you regarding we spend a great deal of time and energy I realize that you and your girlfriend do more work than anyone else in your organization and imagine that in many ways this makes you feel underappreciated etc okay so here's his reply our efforts to rip this connect this guy's known me we've talked personally many times this point type of person lives and he's answering me in this autocratic way it's unbelievable our efforts to raise awareness of veganism throughout the community are our own and we work to empower individuals in different areas of the community to take leadership roles on we like are you copying and pasting this from corporate letterhead it's it's unbelievable the disconnect between my down-to-earth communication I'm already known for I know at least a year at this point and and and is replied to me okay we wanted to start a new big vegan Club for vegans at UVic to meet other vegans and raise awareness with because this wasn't happening it was Jordan it was happening without you you moved in and you know you prevented exactly people like me and real students from doing something that would have made sense for students it didn't serve your political purposes why are you so mad as the person who organized this group and who helps the president yes I have a role to play in it you you're not the president Jordan you can't be you're not a student you can't organize the group you can't even be a member of the group it's a student group and those are the rules on campus and you were breaking them from day one and I wonder if that's why you never told me when I asked you in person face to face what happened to the UVic vegans group and ever you and the other people your end of the table you all looked real uncomfortable and try to change the subject in a disaster I wonder if someone stepped in and said look guys what you're doing here is not legitimate because it's not we we want vegans in the group to know about all the other stuff that is out in the community because there is a lot you manage to make a spelling error there that normally native speakers of English do not make but I continue and we want them to feel included I don't feel a response to a fair of the situation I'm not an ego trip I'm just trying to build community using we does not have anything to do with trying to speak in legalese it is what it is it is that the immense who run vivo represent a set of ideals that quote unquote we believe in if you don't that's fine you don't have to participate what that part boils down to again is he's making these authoritarian statements either you can get in line and obey or you can get the hell out that's it okay so I'm gonna read all this I'm gonna keep going and I'm gonna try to read fast [Music] I don't really care who you showed it to or their response to be honest I have had people message me when they saw this thread and supported my position too but I don't need to prove anything to you if you believe you're absolutely right what you're saying that I'm happy for you I've not insulted you or undermined your opinion as far as I can tell have a good night sir reply here and this is the ultimate problem with the people who take on these quote-unquote leadership roles and then go mad with the tiny amount of authority they have so Jordan why did you bother speaking me at all you're not interested in answering any questions raised you're not interested in hearing responding anything I've got to say you start and finish by basically saying I don't care what you or anyone else has to say okay so why did you open the discussion you asked me to state clearly what the problem was you did that repeatedly publicly and privately and now your response is I don't care I'm not listening to you I don't care what anyone else has to say I quote back what he said earlier where he says I don't care about anyone's response I don't care your response or animals response and again if it's five or six people it's a small university student group in a small city those are as big as the numbers yet and I reply Jordan you are still missing my point one my direct point was that I'm not pretending to represent any we whatsoever this involves a very small number of people thus I was drawing your attention to possibility that it really would be better for you two to speak in the first person singular - if teenagers are writing to you to show their approval or to get your approval in response to this discussion because you are the quote-unquote leader of this group then please reflect that this should not be happening no a man in his mid thirties should not be getting message to that kind from teenage students in a university group etc this isn't a faculty group Jordan it's a student group please really think about what an absurd situation is for you to be soliciting the approval of teenagers on a university campus or vice versa for them to be soliciting your approval you should not be playing a leadership role here of any kind and as I stated last year and stated again now neither should i because I'm too old although I really am a university student and you ain't you should not be playing politics are trying to get quote-unquote support from teenagers man just pause to reflect on what that situation really is as stated I'm not saying that I'm perfect but that's exactly why I do not want to be in a position of authority or leadership over teenagers I go to class with these same teenagers every day I remember what it was like to have a part-time job at Starbucks etc you really need to re-examine the game you're playing here I'm someone who knows you personally I'm someone who you know personally we've discussed our divorces together etc that's right I remember he had just gotten divorced that time that was in process the non divorce - and you apply to me this way you apply to me with these statements of policy referring to yourself as we etc and then you want to delete any trace the discussion afterwards etc etc does that sound like democracy to you does that sound like student democracy to you or does that simply sound like the type of relaxed expression of views that would be natural and normal without a thirty-year-old intervening in a student Facebook group all of the attitudes you've described to me indicate that you're exactly the kind of grown man who should not be meddling in a UVic student group if a group exists for people to be able to talk really they're gonna say more offensive things to you with less reason and they should not be looking at a policy statement from Viva Viva is just him and his girlfriend and who really is the we in public policy statements in Viva it's just you Jordan speak for yourself keep it real so yeah this is a particular controversy with a particularly derp at a particular time but guess what this one guy made it impossible for me to participate in vegan organizations on University campus vegan organizations in the city of Victoria and at least some several vegan organizations in the city of Vancouver okay and Jordan I've seen your YouTube channel I've seen your lectures you go around giving political lectures on veganism and guess what the difference is between you and me when you give lectures nobody wants to hear them and that's why you're such a tyrannical [ __ ] because you you need to have a captive audience and when the people in the audience speak you ain't listening [Music]
it's not a democracy and it isn't an open symposium in many ways I'm happy for you and I don't want to discourage you if you and your girlfriend are living your dream go ahead for anyone else attending those meetings the situation is follow Jordan or get out now and that's fine but that's not what a campus vegan group should be but this is the funny irony when he first proposed this to me he said hey will you sign will you sign this piece of paper to be a founding member for the University of Victoria vegans group I said to him look man maybe I was 36 at the time whatever was a bunch of years ago look man like I can sign this piece of paper but I've got to tell you student groups are for students like some of these people are gonna be 19 years old and you know like if they know me if they know my YouTube channel or something like that like I can show up and be like a speaker or something I can show up and say hi to people and leave but no I'm not drinking beer with students I'm not smoking weed with students if you guys don't know I never drink beer I never smoke weed anyway but like dude student groups are for students they're not for a grown-ass man in his 30s like you Jordan to try to recruit followers for his off-campus political group which is exactly what you tried to do any time you have to ask yourself an ethical question like this imagine it was some other political party what if it was a right-wing group that was doing what you're doing here Jordan that was trying to recruit University students into an off-campus group by having an older man in his 30s whatever was a left-wing group what it was that what if it was a communist party the youth wing of the Communist Party sends in an old guy like you to control a group into a student group in the way that you're doing you'd say oh that's kind of weird that's kind of creepy and guess what it's probably illegal under university statutes because Jordan wasn't a student at University of Victoria so he couldn't be he could not own or control this group but of course like the controlling maniacal [ __ ] he is that's exactly what he went on to do look guys I ain't gonna lie to you it says on screen right now I know this is a boring video okay I'm not gonna lie to you this is dealing with vegan politics in the sleepy little town of Victoria and I have the map on the left-hand side of the screen for a reason what happens in Victoria is linked to what's happening in Vancouver a much bigger city it's kind of like a half day journey to get to yeah this says you could do it in three hours five hours is more likely whatever the point is this matters as an anecdote in itself because this one guy Jordan Richard made life hell for everybody aspiring to be a vegan activist in Victoria for years I mean I guess it's about four years now since he came back to Victoria it's been awful and I am one of those people where he's really prevented me from being able to do what I wanted to do he's prevented me from even attending events he's managed to monopolize what's going on here in veganism in a really negative way and you know what the reality is most people who didn't like it just went and got involved with activists in Vancouver instead because it's not that far away so I acknowledge that but the broader kind of moral the story here is a lot of people all over the world in veganism have to deal with these kinds of little Hitler's teapot Napoleon's whatever you want to say Jordan Reichert got donations and ran in elections again and again and again this is the general election of 2017 he ran in provincial elections Federal Elections and the most recently in the the municipal city elections needed very very poorly in all of them this this election result 102 votes like dude you should be able to wake up and see that you're doing something wrong in the latest city election in order to win he would have needed to get more than three times as many votes as he did that one's a little bit unusual because it wasn't one-man one-vote everybody got multiple votes you got to spread out your votes all over the ballot kind of thing so dude the numbers are there that you should be willing to really listen to people about what it is you're doing wrong even though I know you're blind to the harm you're doing you're blind to the really negative effect you're happy you're having on people like me and you know it doesn't have to be that many people cuz Victoria is not that big a town you can even see that actually from these vote numbers the total number of votes here is only thirty thousand you managed to get a hundred out of out of thirty thousand two hundred sixty-seven I am NOT making this a popularity contest but just take a second to look at these YouTube numbers okay you managed to get into the mainstream media by confronting the Prime Minister of Canada which is obviously partly just luck and you got 2,200 views on that video that's their top center okay but guess what Jordan nobody literally nobody wants to hear what you have to say look at the numbers on the other videos here okay when you don't have a captive audience when you're not bullying and domineering people nobody wants to listen to your message and you should be able to notice that and take that on board and as a career politician change your strategy and tactics your messaging and your method a little bit and you can't because Jordan you are a domineering [ __ ] and nobody ever says it to your face and that's why you manage to float along on your little cloud with your little circle of supporters and ignore the fact that it's not just you personally or a complete disaster as a vegan political candidate you've had a really negative impact on all the people wanting to make a positive impact through veganism in the little little part of the world okay here's here's Jordans own channel and guys these numbers are inflated because I myself have probably clicked on each of them six or seven times I mean I was coming back to I was wanting to know what was going on in local vegan activism I was one of the year's point of view even though I dislike the guy he absolutely dominates and controls all vegan forms here including the anonymous for the voiceless protests including the University of Victoria vegans group which are going to talk a lot more about in this video so I'm coming back and clicking on these and you're getting number is like 29 views for video 32 0 sorry going back one second here the Animal Protection Party that was your project for years for years and I asked you but you went through a phase Jordan I'm sure you want to lie about it now pretend it never happened you went through a whole phase of getting rid of the word vegan of course DXE did that at about the same time too right action everywhere did this the same thing the owner knows somehow vegan is is a liability it's a problem and you just wanted to go with this name the animal protection party you wanted to get more support from people who were not vegan that way yeah how did that work out for you bro how did that work every 29 views on that video one year later it's a sign I'm not saying YouTube views or everything almost not saying votes are everything but yeah you know what in an election especially in election where you have a couple thousand dollars in donations I don't know your exact budget Jordan but I've seen I've seen you spending money on these campaigns you're getting some you're getting some donations and that money might as well been flushed straight down the toilet Jordan because you're not getting results and you're not even communicating a meaningful message so now gonna play you guys just a 1 minute clip of what public speaking from Jordan sounds like and this is only one minute but it's so awful and it's so boring that trust me it's gonna feel like the longest 1 minute of your life I mean unfortunately as they had the right building a local area you're desperate alone they're not well in this world I would be the only way and I am the only opportunity for you and in this body to let somebody filled ways for all ends legislature that's a rare opportunity in Tel Aviv so I'll ask you to remember the tab that was here the same thing when you go to vote because adults have a voice and my partner would remind me that they do because I wrote want a boy stur animals have their own words express it with their body to take specific different way that we all claim are inferior because it different their meaningful they're expressing that they're powerful when we invalidate that point they're nominated part of ourselves so I'm a representative for the boys and here's the sad truth if you think this is bad actually being in a meeting with this guy actually trying to talk politics with him like sitting around table with they're only six or eight people there which is obviously what most vegan activist meetings are like it's way worse because he's being a domineering [ __ ] who won't let anyone else speak and he really does talk this slowly and it really does go on for hours and if you wait for your chance to talk you get to say half a second and then he cuts you off and dismisses you and shuts you down and Jordan you know what the main thing I heard back was from the people who actually wanted this campaign with you they were so disappointing you because you had no motivation because you were a wet blanket talking with the municipal campaigner because you know Jordan we have we have friends in common my new vegan activists who really put time and effort I think some of them also donated money into your campaign to support you and they said man you just seemed depressed and vacant and vacuous and you were just running up he just said nothing worth listening to at any of these public lectures and as I said you Dom all the meetings nobody else gets to speak and it was massively demoralizing for the vegans who support you know not all them not all of them just for the ones who talked to me and I think they talked to me Jordan you know why I'm the one who's willing to question your role as self-appointed dictator for life around here I imagine there are two types of people who are really gonna enjoy this video one type of person has direct experience with Jordan Reichert vegan politician with this one leader in the vegan movement in there's one down in Canada and is here to vent their frustration that's one type of person who's really gonna enjoy this video what she'll is not that person this is that person who can look at this in a broader allegorical framework where the case study were looking at here it represents something that's wrong with vegan politics and maybe you can relate to it sympathetically from some other totally different political struggle you've been a part of some kind of movement maybe even organizing a concert I mean trying to organize anything with people will you deal with this kind of character who is an absolutely resolute tiny tyrant he's like the world's pettiest Hitler ruling with an iron fist over details and making other people cow toe to his authority in the most Picayune of ways and it ultimately makes everybody miserable and he remains blind to it himself as you're gonna see he remains blind to it even when I take the time to sit him down and talk it through it and explain to him exactly what the problem is he remains blind to it most of all because he at all times has a small circle of people who enable him in this case it's his girlfriend and just a couple of other really cult-like followers this guy has I've seen it some of them really do have cult-like OSHA's this guy had put up with his crap and then there's a larger circle of people who will just not their head say nothing and believe me Jordan those people when you're not around say what a piece of crap that you are but they're not getting paid it don't tell you what appeasing they're not your psychoanalyst they're not your friend they're not your enemies they're just feel like I owe ya Jordan's doing it okay good good luck with that during hey good luck and they keep it moving okay this happens on all levels so the conflict I had with Jordan he really shouldn't have been a conflict at all here you see on screen he says to me I need you to state clearly what the problem is right here because there have been no problems until now you seem to be upset that I defended our position on the location we chose for the event now that doesn't tell you so much about what the problem is but I think you're gonna figure it out within the first paragraph of my reply when this was written Jordan I were about the same age so let's say 37 how many years ago is this now something like that and I was a student on University of Victoria campus where I was learning Chinese I say to Jordan here when we first talked about this and I first signed up for the group I said that I would show up and say hello to people just to meet other vegans etc but that there would be limits to my involvement because I don't really think it is appropriate for someone in his mid-30s to be controlling a group of teenagers in a campus group why would you be playing a leadership role in this UVic group as stated I wouldn't do that myself and I really am a UVic student whereas you are not so I have never gotten Jordan to admit to me how it finally ended with this UVic group that he started I sure did get complaints Jordan from students who were in that group they got complaints and they said they were mystified as to why you were even there but the irony of the situation is I was a student at University of Victoria so I was one of the signing members I signed at the beginning so I was a member I was a founder and incense I was one of the five people were supposed to control and organize the group right and Jordan wasn't because Jordan wasn't a student at University of a Taurus so he couldn't be he could not own or control this group but of course like the controlling maniacal [ __ ] he is that's exactly what he went on to do and this conversation started cuz I wrote to him said you know Jordan I was a signing member of that group and I've never been invited to a single event you never told me what happened I was never put in the mailing list for email or whatever was I signed to join that group and then all this time went by and you intentionally froze me out which is what you did Jordan I mean to my knowledge that's what you did because anytime you and I are in the same room you feel I'm a threat to your authority and you have to control a tiny coven of people who will not question you will not interrupt you who do not have their own ideas people who will say just like the people who showed up at your the launch party for your electoral campaign when you ran for government people who will just sit there and say Jordan we support whatever it is you want to do and let you monologue for hours of the most mind-numbing ly boring public meetings imaginable and let me just say guys I'm not someone who finds vegan politics boring I have a very high level of the interest in discussion to where we are and the other parties are saying let's continue doing that we're just going to change things up a little bit left on enough we can't keep leading them out if you like living in the world with our imagine just trying to imagine that that's our cities as in our forest after our oceans without dominance where is the representation in our legislature but them not so imagine you have a moment here Victoria we can help to make history you can elect first but this is the funny irony when he first proposed this to me he said hey will you sign will you sign this piece of paper to be a founding member for the University of Victoria vegans group I said to him look man maybe I was 36 at the time whatever was a bunch of years ago look man like I can sign this piece of paper but I've got to tell you student groups are for students like some of these people are gonna be 19 years old and you know like if they know me if they know my youtube channel or something like that like I can show up and be like a speaker or something I can show up and say hi to people and leave but no I'm not drinking beer with students I'm not smoking weed with students if you guys don't know I never drink beer I never smoke weed anyway but like dude student groups are for students they're not for a grown-ass man in his 30s like you Jordan to try to recruit followers for his off-campus political group which is exactly what you tried to do in my opinion you failed maybe you catch one or two it's not what I heard I heard that you failed and when I asked you about it you just indicated that it was some kind of disaster I don't know but it's really ironic that at that time immediately when I had no time to think about it I said look I can sign this piece of paper but my involvement is gonna be limited and then guess what guess what I find out that's like I think it's more than a year later it was a long time later I asked you what happened to this group many many months later I'd nerd anything about it and I said you know so what happened to the student group I was a signing member of and turns out he did exactly what I explained to him I would consider unethical what I would never do so thus as stated you compose a message in pseudo legalese why are you referring yourself as we in a UVic student message form no it isn't appropriate for you to be quote-unquote regulating a UVic group's Facebook chat by quoting policy statements and speaking in terms of we that's exactly what he did if the UVic club is as you claim controlled by Viva it shouldn't be so Viva is him it's his little it's him and his girlfriend it's their little cult group of their close devotees who are not University students neither an age nor they nor were they like me an older person happens to be world's a student they are not students they're not part of the campus that's your own political group and guys anytime you have to ask yourself an ethical question like this imagine it was some other political party what if it was a right-wing group that was doing what you're doing here Jordan that was trying to recruit university students into an off-campus group by having an older man in his 30s whatever was a left-wing group what it was that what if it was a communist party the youth wing of the Communist Party sends in an old guy like you to control a group into a student group in the way that you're doing you'd say oh that's kind of weird that's kind of creepy and guess what it's probably illegal under university statutes not not the real law but in terms of university rules and regulations probably forbidden on campus right you're right it is forbidden Jordan what you're doing was against the rules it's supposed to be a student group by students and for students not by you not for you Jordan it was totally obvious to me as soon as he did let me into the Facebook group that was exactly what's going on not a front for you to pull UVic students into whatever meeting you and your girlfriend are hosting at Green Cuisine really think about the role you're choosing to play here yes you sound like you're on the world's most hilarious ego trip in speaking in terms of we in that reply why are you making an official policy statement who is the quote unquote weed that you imagined elected you etc and even so why would you way into a UVic forum in this way it's absurd man really so I'm quoting him back here quote UVic vegan Club is a subgroup of Viva so when there are ethical concerns raised about events we are hosting in his mine or other administrators responsibility to trust them he can't even be a member of this group he's not a student this is a student group on campus you're not an administrator you're not a leader no one elected you no one chose you you're not supposed to be here and again even though I was a student I refuse to play this kind of role it's just not appropriate and guys please don't misunderstand me I'm not saying it's creepy I'm not saying it's even well it's against the rules I'm not saying it's criminal it's not appropriate we have to talk about things that are in bad taste and inappropriate and guess what it made people's lives miserable including mine including mine and the couple of people who send me emails or contacted me on Facebook about what a piece of garbage you are Jordan and guess what in a city the size of Victoria like six vegan activists really matter you're not pulling on a talent pool of thousands of vegans so if you're alienating and obstructing what a few vegans like myself and those other people want to do on campus you're having a significant negative impact and why are you doing it for your own ridiculous ego trip as we're gonna try to get through here real quick no I spoke in the first person about my personal reasons for not attending the event in response to other students in the group I wasn't talking to Jordan I was just talking to other students felt while I wasn't gonna show up at a particular event you have absolutely zero responsibility to regulate anything in this conversation zero you aren't even a student but if you spoke about yourself as a normal human being first person singular that would have been a pretty natural or normal response no instead you spoke in terms of we a quote on quote we what do you think that means to a 19 year old member of a group like this everyone could see your baby even when you make that kind of statement everyone see you're claiming to be in a position of authority and you're making it really clear that everyone in that group either has to conform to the rule you're sitting down or get out which is how you run all your groups Jordan that's why it is so miserable to sit in the room while you tyrannical II run your crappy little meanings at Green Cuisine with your coven of admirers dude I've seen how you chair meetings it's not a democracy and it isn't an open symposium in many ways I'm happy for you and I don't want to discourage you if you and your girlfriend are living your dream go ahead for anyone else attending those meetings the situation is follow Jordan or get out now and that's fine but that's not what a campus vegan group should be I'm saying you can do that at Green Cuisine you can do that at the restaurant you can do that in your apartment or a coffee shop don't do that on campus stop screwing up what should be a University vegan group a group I myself would want to keep a kind of respectful distance from because I don't think it's appropriate for me to hang out in a bar and drinking beer with 19 year old students nobody should be looking at your statement on quote-unquote policy phrased in terms of what we believe in a casual conversation of this kind dude how do you think that makes you look i screenshot at your statement and said to a fellow students this is another vegan at the same university by the way I don't mention the shoes again I said to a fellow student about 22 years old a bit older than most and she said that she laughed out loud at both of your statements she also actually told me that she thought this guy was being and that he was only there but it's irrelevant I mean again that is ultimately irrelevant it's not about what's creepy it's about what's appropriate and it's really about having a culture of democracy rather than a culture of autocracy and that's how you ran everything and I think a lot of people fed this experience in vegan activism over the last five years a lot of people send emails about little tyrants who run little movements where they live all around the world making it miserable to be a vegan activist unless you want to work alone I'm not saying that I'm perfect but that's exactly why I do not want to be in a position of authority or leadership over teenagers I go to class with these sane teenagers every day I remember what it was like to have a part-time job at Starbucks etc yeah a university Viktoria vegan Club is a good idea Jordan Reichert operating it as the youth wing of the tiny organization he runs with his girlfriend is not a good idea the fact that you think or feel you have to regulate a harmless comment in which I very clearly said I wasn't trying to per se to persuade anyone else I simply said that I was not going to attend a meeting in a church I was not gonna set foot inside a church instead ever shows just how far off base you slipped in your attitudes here I really am NOT saying this out of any kind of animosity towards you regarding we spend a great deal of time and energy I realize that you and your girlfriend do more work than anyone else in your organization and imagine that in many ways this makes you feel underappreciated etc okay so here's his reply our efforts to rip this connect this guy's known me we've talked personally many times this point type of person lives and he's answering me in this autocratic way it's unbelievable our efforts to raise awareness of veganism throughout the community are our own and we work to empower individuals in different areas of the community to take leadership roles on we like are you copying and pasting this from corporate letterhead it's it's unbelievable the disconnect between my down-to-earth communication I'm already known for I know at least a year at this point and and and is replied to me okay we wanted to start a new big vegan Club for vegans at UVic to meet other vegans and raise awareness with because this wasn't happening it was Jordan it was happening without you you moved in and you know you prevented exactly people like me and real students from doing something that would have made sense for students it didn't serve your political purposes why are you so mad as the person who organized this group and who helps the president yes I have a role to play in it you you're not the president Jordan you can't be you're not a student you can't organize the group you can't even be a member of the group it's a student group and those are the rules on campus and you were breaking them from day one and I wonder if that's why you never told me when I asked you in person face to face what happened to the UVic vegans group and ever you and the other people your end of the table you all looked real uncomfortable and try to change the subject in a disaster I wonder if someone stepped in and said look guys what you're doing here is not legitimate because it's not we we want vegans in the group to know about all the other stuff that is out in the community because there is a lot you manage to make a spelling error there that normally native speakers of English do not make but I continue and we want them to feel included I don't feel a response to a fair of the situation I'm not an ego trip I'm just trying to build community using we does not have anything to do with trying to speak in legalese it is what it is it is that the immense who run vivo represent a set of ideals that quote unquote we believe in if you don't that's fine you don't have to participate what that part boils down to again is he's making these authoritarian statements either you can get in line and obey or you can get the hell out that's it okay so I'm gonna read all this I'm gonna keep going and I'm gonna try to read fast [Music] I don't really care who you showed it to or their response to be honest I have had people message me when they saw this thread and supported my position too but I don't need to prove anything to you if you believe you're absolutely right what you're saying that I'm happy for you I've not insulted you or undermined your opinion as far as I can tell have a good night sir reply here and this is the ultimate problem with the people who take on these quote-unquote leadership roles and then go mad with the tiny amount of authority they have so Jordan why did you bother speaking me at all you're not interested in answering any questions raised you're not interested in hearing responding anything I've got to say you start and finish by basically saying I don't care what you or anyone else has to say okay so why did you open the discussion you asked me to state clearly what the problem was you did that repeatedly publicly and privately and now your response is I don't care I'm not listening to you I don't care what anyone else has to say I quote back what he said earlier where he says I don't care about anyone's response I don't care your response or animals response and again if it's five or six people it's a small university student group in a small city those are as big as the numbers yet and I reply Jordan you are still missing my point one my direct point was that I'm not pretending to represent any we whatsoever this involves a very small number of people thus I was drawing your attention to possibility that it really would be better for you two to speak in the first person singular - if teenagers are writing to you to show their approval or to get your approval in response to this discussion because you are the quote-unquote leader of this group then please reflect that this should not be happening no a man in his mid thirties should not be getting message to that kind from teenage students in a university group etc this isn't a faculty group Jordan it's a student group please really think about what an absurd situation is for you to be soliciting the approval of teenagers on a university campus or vice versa for them to be soliciting your approval you should not be playing a leadership role here of any kind and as I stated last year and stated again now neither should i because I'm too old although I really am a university student and you ain't you should not be playing politics are trying to get quote-unquote support from teenagers man just pause to reflect on what that situation really is as stated I'm not saying that I'm perfect but that's exactly why I do not want to be in a position of authority or leadership over teenagers I go to class with these same teenagers every day I remember what it was like to have a part-time job at Starbucks etc you really need to re-examine the game you're playing here I'm someone who knows you personally I'm someone who you know personally we've discussed our divorces together etc that's right I remember he had just gotten divorced that time that was in process the non divorce - and you apply to me this way you apply to me with these statements of policy referring to yourself as we etc and then you want to delete any trace the discussion afterwards etc etc does that sound like democracy to you does that sound like student democracy to you or does that simply sound like the type of relaxed expression of views that would be natural and normal without a thirty-year-old intervening in a student Facebook group all of the attitudes you've described to me indicate that you're exactly the kind of grown man who should not be meddling in a UVic student group if a group exists for people to be able to talk really they're gonna say more offensive things to you with less reason and they should not be looking at a policy statement from Viva Viva is just him and his girlfriend and who really is the we in public policy statements in Viva it's just you Jordan speak for yourself keep it real so yeah this is a particular controversy with a particularly derp at a particular time but guess what this one guy made it impossible for me to participate in vegan organizations on University campus vegan organizations in the city of Victoria and at least some several vegan organizations in the city of Vancouver okay and Jordan I've seen your YouTube channel I've seen your lectures you go around giving political lectures on veganism and guess what the difference is between you and me when you give lectures nobody wants to hear them and that's why you're such a tyrannical [ __ ] because you you need to have a captive audience and when the people in the audience speak you ain't listening [Music]