Critique of "Terrorism Lite": Mic the Vegan, Glenn Greenwald, etc.
05 November 2017 [link youtube]
In the 21st century "open rescue" has incorporated some of the worst elements of both internet fame-whoring and terrorism —and I'm opposed to it as a matter of principle (despite all the vegans lining up to make excuses for it as "terrorism lite"). Frankly, the F.B.I. is right on this one. If you believe in transparent, democratic method, then you do not believe in DxE, and you shouldn't be making excuses for them!
Footnote: the thumbnail image goes with the slogan, "The F.B.I. is right: no excuses for 'Terrorism Lite.'" I was tempted, instead, to build the title around the concept of "dry snitching", but I think that a very small percentage of my audience would have had any idea what I meant by that (slang) term. :-/
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the open rescue paradigm it was already
lame back when it was clandestine terrorism now it's the same thing but they want to do it with the mask off they want to commit the same crime and they want to brag about it on the internet and they want you to donate money supporting it it's extremely dangerous it can land you in prison it is not an easy thing to do and I would never recommend to anyone that they do it and it's it's worse now because now it's terrorism plus Fame whoring okay terrorism is something you should do covertly I'm still against it I don't approve of it but this is like combination of terrorism with self-righteous Fame luring if your motives in rescuing these animals were so pious why didn't you do it anonymously why didn't you do it in a clandestine matter why didn't you just rescue the animals which is to say stealing them the way all other thieves steal in the night silently in secret if you want to be Robin Hood Robin Hood he leaves outside the law maybe you didn't get that with the story of Robin Hood Robin Hood and the Sheriff of Nottingham are not on the same team Robin Hood would not rob from the rich take a [ __ ] selfie posted on Instagram and ask his homies to donate money dam to support his cause robbing the [ __ ] rich and giving to the poor this is [ __ ] this is the worst hypocrisy in that sense you're worse than terrorists because at least the [ __ ] terrorists admit they're terrorists you're terrorists on the worst kind of self-indulgent ego trip people don't want to donate money to a bunch of [ __ ] going up to the front of a Chipotle and screaming at the owners and the customers to shut it down because they serve meat people don't want to donate money to support you when you run onto a baseball pitch and try to interrupt a baseball game holding up a banner that says justice for the animals go vegan but the emotional effect of rescuing these animals and then you got the tear-jerking photos of the animal being rehabilitated animal sanctuary that means money don't kid yourself the reason why one we're going to say after another moves into the open rescue and sanctuary game is because of money if people who were asking in this incredulous way why would the FBI come on down on them so hard what why wouldn't the FBI just treat this like a house burglar someone who just got drunk one night and broke into a house trying to steal a TV set because it's really not the same is it when you commit a crime and you espouse and you do it with no masks on and you espouse that you're not ashamed of it you're proud of it and you're actively boasting on Instagram you're putting up those selfies at asking for donations you're doing all that stuff you are making it completely clear to the authorities that if they don't stop you one you will reoffending two you have followers whom you will inspire whom you will occurr egde to commit the same offense again baddest yen video starts with the starts of the kiss for a change yeah money politics is about money protests are about money the internet opens up new avenues for people to pursue a sense of bank keep going keep going no edit okay look you know think about 1916 70s and 80s before the internet getting newspaper coverage was Della's crucial pamphlets sending people information in the mail was crucial groups like Greenpeace built up you know huge base of donors partly just through Street Theater and partly through what I would call stunt protests I personally was at a protest by Greenpeace where they climbed the CN Tower or CN tower or at least used to be the highest structure in the world one of the tallest buildings in the world and they cleaned up the exterior of it and sign they hung up poster a giant poster saying climate change is gonna happen is gonna mess you up man yeah you know so this gets news coverage and news coverage drives donations and on a deep level some groups like direct action everywhere I think are still mimicking that but the Internet has made it all worse right so like back in the 80s and 90s and let's just say the eighty is to be safe so we're really pre-internet right um you know people used to do the same crap direct attention everywhere is doing open rescue aka cattle-rustling AKA stealing animals there is love it's probably they used to do it wearing a mask they used to do it in secret these two has a clandestine operation that was what they called Animal Liberation I know what happens to animals after that is another story right like okay so you're gonna liberate you've won a flock of sheep think that through what that really means like in a crowded country like England's now you got sheep literally living in the downtown apartments of animal rights protest in the LF I've seen that at documentary I've seen that where they had the Sheep like next to their living room table pet yeah notch over yeah yeah it's something that was that was documentary done they had an undercover journalist joined the al F and get involved in that kind of extremist stuff and like when he was going to visit people's I was like oh yeah we still have these sheep from the open rescue we did in the edible liberation we did two months ago or something yeah look oh yeah gee how big is your backyard do you think you can take on one of these sheep furs and of course it's illegal to write like most cities you can't keep cheap for your record anyway yeah that is you can't even keep backyard hens right yeah sure without a permit or something yeah sure and guess why all those animals spread unbelievably horrible contagious diseases to your ins they spread horrible contagious diseases to one another and to people so it's no joke including your cat great article in The Atlantic Monthly called your cat is driving you crazy I think I must have sent you this article it was when I was in America and it was a neighboring town from where I was living in they were campaigning to try to get back here tends to be legal they go because they were illegal in the town that they were living in and it was just funny hearing their arguments for backyard hens ya know they had to do with cruelty to animals and like this is this is a way to not be cruelty Yeah right just keep it in a wooden box from the day it's fortunate it's time cruel about that just just anyway the open rescue paradigm it was already lame back when it was clandestine terrorism now it's the same thing but they want to do it with the mask off they want to commit the same crime and they want to brag about it on the internet and they want you to donate money supporting it so to me like you know if you talk about videos of the internet what's two people having a fist fight okay that's lame but if it's just anonymous if it's just put up there that's one thing if it's two people having a fist fight and they want you to donate money this is fist fight for charity or this is you know what I mean and they got their NEMA and they're promoting themselves it's worse it's worse I feel like the open rescue paradigm it's got it was lame to begin with I think it was [ __ ] back when the al F did it with the mass on and it's it's worse now because now it's terrorism plus famewhoring okay terrorism is something you should do covertly I'm still against it I don't approve of it but this is like combination of terrorism with self-righteous famewhoring and they really want to sit there in front like they haven't commit crime when they know they have Wayans young is a lawyer he knows exactly which laws he broke and I mean I guess from his perspective it's just a cost-benefit analysis where he thinks the outcomes of the famewhoring are so desirable like how much promotion can we get how many donations can we get as opposed to how many days am I gonna spend in prison that he just thinks it's worth it like okay spend a month in prison or that I see a lot of people making excuses for this Mike the vegan suggested that what they did in their little terrorism cell was in fact no different from undercover journalism yes it is Mike it's different it's different from undercover drills you want to explain to you how you always know it's very very important that journalists that independent journalists be allowed to go in there and film what is happening and I think that also includes people like the Exia when a journalist applies for a job and just doesn't explain that they're also a part-time journalist when a journalist applies for a job in a meatpacking Factory in a slaughterhouse and then goes in and does that job and then writes about it afterwards or secretly films and efforts that is completely different from breaking and entering and stealing animals okay speaking of DXE will there be any repercussions for the rescuers will this become a lawsuit and will this become a animal Enterprise Terrorism Act situation as the news outlet RT has mentioned and those responsible are likely to face some serious charges as well under the animal Enterprise Terrorism Act breaking and entering into a business and just filming what their business does on the inside is already a crime and already does damages that's where it gets to the millions of dollars in damages oh well you filmed our private operations it's a big part of their their legal claim I can totally manage that my parents business knows growing up as a kid if someone broke in and went through the file folders and took photographs and took film footage or something they could really easily do damage that for example results in a multi-million dollar contract being cancelled like okay you had this break-in and then someone took footage of it and put it on the internet and caused an embarrassment one of your clients is the government of Saudi Arabia now the government of Saudi Arabia cancelled their contract with you multi-million dollar contract so now that group who broke in never their political motivations was now you can say to them look you didn't millions of dollars damage to me that's how business works so that's our breaking that during works and it's not undercover journalism you don't think there's a difference your honor cover journalism and and what they did here look I mean you know you can say your motives are pious if your motives in rescuing these animals were so pious why didn't you do it anonymously why didn't you do it in a clandestine manner why didn't you just rescue the animals which is to say stealing them the way all other thieves steal in the night silently in secret if you want to be Robin Hood Robin Hood he leaves outside the law maybe you didn't get that with the story of Robin Hood Robin Hood and the Sheriff of Nottingham are not on the same team Robin Hood would not rob from the rich take a [ __ ] selfie posted on Instagram and ask his homies to donate money dam to support his cause bobbing the [ __ ] rich and giving to the poor this is [ __ ] this is the worst hypocrisy in that sense you're worse than terrorists because at least the [ __ ] terrorists admit they're terrorists you're terrorists on the worst kind of self-indulgent ego trip easy easy so we see why my girlfriend doesn't get to say much these videos I I hate this crap and I can't believe anyone's anyones join in by Maude vegan in her video which was pro DXE she was praising this she said even though she would never do something like this herself ethically that's still she felt she had supported you know that's a real hint we talked about that as vegans all the time if you because meat-eaters say well I wouldn't slaughter a pig myself but they're willing to eat bacon by that same talk that sack int there's something you got to examine there oh oh really you wouldn't do breaking entering yourself you wouldn't Steve you pardon me you wouldn't steal livestock from a factory yourself really and yet and yet you approve of this what why do you think that is it's extremely dangerous it can land you in prison it is not an easy thing to do and I would never recommend to anyone they do it because I think that it's it is a very very dangerous thing to do it can really ruin your life if you get caught and go to prison for these things but I deeply support DXE for doing it I think it's fantastic why would you approve it for someone else to do that not not yourself yeah approval versus support and in my begins I'm not trying to hear like you know she said we should stand up and support DNC sure I talked you were literally last night by the way yeah I know if you want to we could segue into that dxc just put out their 40 year plan their plan for the next four here's the vegan movement and you know on one level I can just appreciate the raw ambition of that they're trying to be leaders of the vegan movement I think they're not aware of the extent to which they're failing I mean oh they're trying they're trying to put forward a vision for the next four years of England I don't think they're gonna be the leaders of the vegan movement I don't need to be so I raise this okay let's talk about paths to power in vegan politics politics means money money plus action equals politics they're you know you want to run for the Green Party running for the Green Party cost money you know any of these things this is the brutal reality of politics in the real world is politics can happen only when you have a donor base to support your pursuit of those political goals even if it's just getting on a bus and going and handing out leaflets I met a guy who did that as his job for pedda he was a full-time pet employee and he dress up like a cow and hand out pamphlets on school campuses going coast-to-coast in America that was his paid job but it still costs money you name a that's cheap all these things cause money how do you get money into the vegan movement well the number one source of money there's no doubt right now is animal sanctuaries and you can get even more money in support when you link it to these are really salacious you know animal rescue videos that moves people emotionally and then they were respond by donating financially just look I've been watching DXE these last three years four years something like that I forget how long yeah basically four years and I've seen how their modus operandi has changed their mo has changed they're doing more and more the things that get them money and they veered away from the things that don't people don't want to donate money to a bunch of [ __ ] going up to the front of a Chipotle and screaming at the owners and the customers to shut it down because they serve meat Chipotle is the only decent vegan option in a lot of American cities people don't want to donate money to support you when you run onto a baseball pitch and try to interrupt a baseball game holding up a banner that says justice for the animals go vegan people just don't some do a couple people will donate money that not that many right so they veer people did not want to donate money to support your legal costs after you ran on stage and tried to interrupt Bernie Sanders they also tried to interrupt Hillary Clinton you know and then now you're in the clink because the Secret Service bag you up and handcuffed you and now you've got legal fees and possible prison time whatever people don't want to donate money for the kind of street theater but the emotional effect of rescuing these animals and then you got the tear-jerking photos of the animal being rehabilitated and animal sanctuary that means money don't kid yourself the reason why one organization after another moves into the open rescue and sanctuary game is because of money . okay so that's one road to power and a lot of organizations done it successfully I think go vegan world started off in Ireland with the sanctuary is a powerful example of that they had this sanctuary they did fundraising the business sanctuary that moved on number two I'd say is food food services in the broadest sense whether it's a packaged product like a chocolate bar running a restaurant what have you and that road to power is already starting to produce multi-millionaire or successful business tycoons who are early adopters of veganism so the guy who owns Hampton Creek I don't even know who's the millionaire behind Daiya who's the millionaire behind the cliff bars you mean Vega Vega has a charismatic millionaire - that guy's a vegan performance yeah protein powder they make protein bars and stuff like that - right so all these all these companies have respectable CEOs millionaire impresario executives those guys have a certain kind of political credibility a certain kind of weight you tell me now there are there are other roads to power there are other ways to get over ties there are other ways to get financial backing for vegan movement you tell me who do you want your name attached to do you want your name attached to Wayne and Priya and their shitty undemocratic backstabbing self-destructive little disruption based movement do you want your business to be linked to Wayne and Priya as they face terrorism charges again and again is that who you want to cooperate with or would you rather cooperate with daya incorporated Hampton Creek incorporated any of these vegan or semi vegan companies that are in a very direct an obvious which is or maybe your local vegan restaurant maybe a vegan supermarket maybe a vegan dessert company whatever it is the food services and Della's for-profit side of the game both are problematic they're problematic in different ways I think that the aspects of the political movement that are more corporate are going to have some characteristics that are very different from the aspects that are explicitly political groups like PCRM groups that are explicitly medical etc etc there's gonna be diversity there you're smiling you want to jump in I don't know what that smell means what I love you I think this should say look the only thing I want to know I feel stiff I already did 700 videos on this channel which is me giving a monologue so I so sometimes she feels like a member of the audience even when she's on camera tells you something look why were these charges so serious I think Mike the vegan is lying to you about that I think in effect mod vegan is 90 or was lying to herself about that fundamentally in law enforcement the most important question is propensity to Rhea fend for because these are politically motivated crimes by people who openly espouse that there's nothing wrong with them those crimes the people committing these crimes have committed the same crimes before talking about Wayne thought with the leader of Jarrett eyes Network Wayne and Priya and they're openly espousing that they're gonna do them again and they're encouraging others to them again so if people who are asking in this incredulous way why would the FBI come on down on them so hard what why wouldn't the FBI just treat this like a house burglar someone who just got drunk one night and broke into a house trying to steal a TV set because it's really not the same is it it's really not there's really a very good reason why this isn't treated the same way as say you know a political protesters who maybe do some damage to a public park during a protest that's very common just mention the own political protest that's a that's a legal problem they often run into but where they didn't really intend to and they didn't espouse that is a good thing they just said well we're trying to do this political protest in the park we're sorry we broke the fountain or whatever was something got damaged we broke the public restrooms or something because we had see what he people the protest that happens okay it's in no way comprable that this is being persecuted as terrorism because of the propensity to Rhea fend you commit a crime and you espouse and you do it with no masks on and you espouse that you're not ashamed of it you're proud of it and you're actively boasting on Instagram you're putting up those selfies it asking for donations you're doing all that stuff you are making it completely clear to the authorities that if they don't stop you one you will reoffending two you have followers whom you will inspire whom you will occurr egde to commit the same offense again so from my perspective this is a massive exercise in self delusion you want to pretend this is the same as under country journalism it's not you want to pretend this is the same as some kind of minor crime like accidentally breaking someone's window like minor damage to property it's not if you break someone's window accidentally what's your propensity to Rhea fend it the reason why this is taken so serious of the FBI is precisely compensatory offend guys if you want to play these games I give this same advice to my daughter like if my daughter asked me daddy I want to commit a murder I'd say to her look let me let me let me tell you something let me tell you something sweetie days um you want to commit a murder you don't ask me for advice you don't ask your mom for advice Unitas the M for advice and what you don't do is take out your cell phone take a picture of yourself put it on the internet and ask for donations okay some things in this life you want adores criminal methods if you wanted or working outside the law if you want to be Robin Hood then you're not cool with the Sheriff of Nottingham these are two different paths in life either you're doing something clandestine or you're doing something overtly democratic participatory political where you can hold your head up high and ask for donations knowing that you're both within the law and you know that your morality cannot be impugned all right DXE direct action everywhere is an experiment and in the final analysis I think it will be judged an experiment in futility baddest yen
lame back when it was clandestine terrorism now it's the same thing but they want to do it with the mask off they want to commit the same crime and they want to brag about it on the internet and they want you to donate money supporting it it's extremely dangerous it can land you in prison it is not an easy thing to do and I would never recommend to anyone that they do it and it's it's worse now because now it's terrorism plus Fame whoring okay terrorism is something you should do covertly I'm still against it I don't approve of it but this is like combination of terrorism with self-righteous Fame luring if your motives in rescuing these animals were so pious why didn't you do it anonymously why didn't you do it in a clandestine matter why didn't you just rescue the animals which is to say stealing them the way all other thieves steal in the night silently in secret if you want to be Robin Hood Robin Hood he leaves outside the law maybe you didn't get that with the story of Robin Hood Robin Hood and the Sheriff of Nottingham are not on the same team Robin Hood would not rob from the rich take a [ __ ] selfie posted on Instagram and ask his homies to donate money dam to support his cause robbing the [ __ ] rich and giving to the poor this is [ __ ] this is the worst hypocrisy in that sense you're worse than terrorists because at least the [ __ ] terrorists admit they're terrorists you're terrorists on the worst kind of self-indulgent ego trip people don't want to donate money to a bunch of [ __ ] going up to the front of a Chipotle and screaming at the owners and the customers to shut it down because they serve meat people don't want to donate money to support you when you run onto a baseball pitch and try to interrupt a baseball game holding up a banner that says justice for the animals go vegan but the emotional effect of rescuing these animals and then you got the tear-jerking photos of the animal being rehabilitated animal sanctuary that means money don't kid yourself the reason why one we're going to say after another moves into the open rescue and sanctuary game is because of money if people who were asking in this incredulous way why would the FBI come on down on them so hard what why wouldn't the FBI just treat this like a house burglar someone who just got drunk one night and broke into a house trying to steal a TV set because it's really not the same is it when you commit a crime and you espouse and you do it with no masks on and you espouse that you're not ashamed of it you're proud of it and you're actively boasting on Instagram you're putting up those selfies at asking for donations you're doing all that stuff you are making it completely clear to the authorities that if they don't stop you one you will reoffending two you have followers whom you will inspire whom you will occurr egde to commit the same offense again baddest yen video starts with the starts of the kiss for a change yeah money politics is about money protests are about money the internet opens up new avenues for people to pursue a sense of bank keep going keep going no edit okay look you know think about 1916 70s and 80s before the internet getting newspaper coverage was Della's crucial pamphlets sending people information in the mail was crucial groups like Greenpeace built up you know huge base of donors partly just through Street Theater and partly through what I would call stunt protests I personally was at a protest by Greenpeace where they climbed the CN Tower or CN tower or at least used to be the highest structure in the world one of the tallest buildings in the world and they cleaned up the exterior of it and sign they hung up poster a giant poster saying climate change is gonna happen is gonna mess you up man yeah you know so this gets news coverage and news coverage drives donations and on a deep level some groups like direct action everywhere I think are still mimicking that but the Internet has made it all worse right so like back in the 80s and 90s and let's just say the eighty is to be safe so we're really pre-internet right um you know people used to do the same crap direct attention everywhere is doing open rescue aka cattle-rustling AKA stealing animals there is love it's probably they used to do it wearing a mask they used to do it in secret these two has a clandestine operation that was what they called Animal Liberation I know what happens to animals after that is another story right like okay so you're gonna liberate you've won a flock of sheep think that through what that really means like in a crowded country like England's now you got sheep literally living in the downtown apartments of animal rights protest in the LF I've seen that at documentary I've seen that where they had the Sheep like next to their living room table pet yeah notch over yeah yeah it's something that was that was documentary done they had an undercover journalist joined the al F and get involved in that kind of extremist stuff and like when he was going to visit people's I was like oh yeah we still have these sheep from the open rescue we did in the edible liberation we did two months ago or something yeah look oh yeah gee how big is your backyard do you think you can take on one of these sheep furs and of course it's illegal to write like most cities you can't keep cheap for your record anyway yeah that is you can't even keep backyard hens right yeah sure without a permit or something yeah sure and guess why all those animals spread unbelievably horrible contagious diseases to your ins they spread horrible contagious diseases to one another and to people so it's no joke including your cat great article in The Atlantic Monthly called your cat is driving you crazy I think I must have sent you this article it was when I was in America and it was a neighboring town from where I was living in they were campaigning to try to get back here tends to be legal they go because they were illegal in the town that they were living in and it was just funny hearing their arguments for backyard hens ya know they had to do with cruelty to animals and like this is this is a way to not be cruelty Yeah right just keep it in a wooden box from the day it's fortunate it's time cruel about that just just anyway the open rescue paradigm it was already lame back when it was clandestine terrorism now it's the same thing but they want to do it with the mask off they want to commit the same crime and they want to brag about it on the internet and they want you to donate money supporting it so to me like you know if you talk about videos of the internet what's two people having a fist fight okay that's lame but if it's just anonymous if it's just put up there that's one thing if it's two people having a fist fight and they want you to donate money this is fist fight for charity or this is you know what I mean and they got their NEMA and they're promoting themselves it's worse it's worse I feel like the open rescue paradigm it's got it was lame to begin with I think it was [ __ ] back when the al F did it with the mass on and it's it's worse now because now it's terrorism plus famewhoring okay terrorism is something you should do covertly I'm still against it I don't approve of it but this is like combination of terrorism with self-righteous famewhoring and they really want to sit there in front like they haven't commit crime when they know they have Wayans young is a lawyer he knows exactly which laws he broke and I mean I guess from his perspective it's just a cost-benefit analysis where he thinks the outcomes of the famewhoring are so desirable like how much promotion can we get how many donations can we get as opposed to how many days am I gonna spend in prison that he just thinks it's worth it like okay spend a month in prison or that I see a lot of people making excuses for this Mike the vegan suggested that what they did in their little terrorism cell was in fact no different from undercover journalism yes it is Mike it's different it's different from undercover drills you want to explain to you how you always know it's very very important that journalists that independent journalists be allowed to go in there and film what is happening and I think that also includes people like the Exia when a journalist applies for a job and just doesn't explain that they're also a part-time journalist when a journalist applies for a job in a meatpacking Factory in a slaughterhouse and then goes in and does that job and then writes about it afterwards or secretly films and efforts that is completely different from breaking and entering and stealing animals okay speaking of DXE will there be any repercussions for the rescuers will this become a lawsuit and will this become a animal Enterprise Terrorism Act situation as the news outlet RT has mentioned and those responsible are likely to face some serious charges as well under the animal Enterprise Terrorism Act breaking and entering into a business and just filming what their business does on the inside is already a crime and already does damages that's where it gets to the millions of dollars in damages oh well you filmed our private operations it's a big part of their their legal claim I can totally manage that my parents business knows growing up as a kid if someone broke in and went through the file folders and took photographs and took film footage or something they could really easily do damage that for example results in a multi-million dollar contract being cancelled like okay you had this break-in and then someone took footage of it and put it on the internet and caused an embarrassment one of your clients is the government of Saudi Arabia now the government of Saudi Arabia cancelled their contract with you multi-million dollar contract so now that group who broke in never their political motivations was now you can say to them look you didn't millions of dollars damage to me that's how business works so that's our breaking that during works and it's not undercover journalism you don't think there's a difference your honor cover journalism and and what they did here look I mean you know you can say your motives are pious if your motives in rescuing these animals were so pious why didn't you do it anonymously why didn't you do it in a clandestine manner why didn't you just rescue the animals which is to say stealing them the way all other thieves steal in the night silently in secret if you want to be Robin Hood Robin Hood he leaves outside the law maybe you didn't get that with the story of Robin Hood Robin Hood and the Sheriff of Nottingham are not on the same team Robin Hood would not rob from the rich take a [ __ ] selfie posted on Instagram and ask his homies to donate money dam to support his cause bobbing the [ __ ] rich and giving to the poor this is [ __ ] this is the worst hypocrisy in that sense you're worse than terrorists because at least the [ __ ] terrorists admit they're terrorists you're terrorists on the worst kind of self-indulgent ego trip easy easy so we see why my girlfriend doesn't get to say much these videos I I hate this crap and I can't believe anyone's anyones join in by Maude vegan in her video which was pro DXE she was praising this she said even though she would never do something like this herself ethically that's still she felt she had supported you know that's a real hint we talked about that as vegans all the time if you because meat-eaters say well I wouldn't slaughter a pig myself but they're willing to eat bacon by that same talk that sack int there's something you got to examine there oh oh really you wouldn't do breaking entering yourself you wouldn't Steve you pardon me you wouldn't steal livestock from a factory yourself really and yet and yet you approve of this what why do you think that is it's extremely dangerous it can land you in prison it is not an easy thing to do and I would never recommend to anyone they do it because I think that it's it is a very very dangerous thing to do it can really ruin your life if you get caught and go to prison for these things but I deeply support DXE for doing it I think it's fantastic why would you approve it for someone else to do that not not yourself yeah approval versus support and in my begins I'm not trying to hear like you know she said we should stand up and support DNC sure I talked you were literally last night by the way yeah I know if you want to we could segue into that dxc just put out their 40 year plan their plan for the next four here's the vegan movement and you know on one level I can just appreciate the raw ambition of that they're trying to be leaders of the vegan movement I think they're not aware of the extent to which they're failing I mean oh they're trying they're trying to put forward a vision for the next four years of England I don't think they're gonna be the leaders of the vegan movement I don't need to be so I raise this okay let's talk about paths to power in vegan politics politics means money money plus action equals politics they're you know you want to run for the Green Party running for the Green Party cost money you know any of these things this is the brutal reality of politics in the real world is politics can happen only when you have a donor base to support your pursuit of those political goals even if it's just getting on a bus and going and handing out leaflets I met a guy who did that as his job for pedda he was a full-time pet employee and he dress up like a cow and hand out pamphlets on school campuses going coast-to-coast in America that was his paid job but it still costs money you name a that's cheap all these things cause money how do you get money into the vegan movement well the number one source of money there's no doubt right now is animal sanctuaries and you can get even more money in support when you link it to these are really salacious you know animal rescue videos that moves people emotionally and then they were respond by donating financially just look I've been watching DXE these last three years four years something like that I forget how long yeah basically four years and I've seen how their modus operandi has changed their mo has changed they're doing more and more the things that get them money and they veered away from the things that don't people don't want to donate money to a bunch of [ __ ] going up to the front of a Chipotle and screaming at the owners and the customers to shut it down because they serve meat Chipotle is the only decent vegan option in a lot of American cities people don't want to donate money to support you when you run onto a baseball pitch and try to interrupt a baseball game holding up a banner that says justice for the animals go vegan people just don't some do a couple people will donate money that not that many right so they veer people did not want to donate money to support your legal costs after you ran on stage and tried to interrupt Bernie Sanders they also tried to interrupt Hillary Clinton you know and then now you're in the clink because the Secret Service bag you up and handcuffed you and now you've got legal fees and possible prison time whatever people don't want to donate money for the kind of street theater but the emotional effect of rescuing these animals and then you got the tear-jerking photos of the animal being rehabilitated and animal sanctuary that means money don't kid yourself the reason why one organization after another moves into the open rescue and sanctuary game is because of money . okay so that's one road to power and a lot of organizations done it successfully I think go vegan world started off in Ireland with the sanctuary is a powerful example of that they had this sanctuary they did fundraising the business sanctuary that moved on number two I'd say is food food services in the broadest sense whether it's a packaged product like a chocolate bar running a restaurant what have you and that road to power is already starting to produce multi-millionaire or successful business tycoons who are early adopters of veganism so the guy who owns Hampton Creek I don't even know who's the millionaire behind Daiya who's the millionaire behind the cliff bars you mean Vega Vega has a charismatic millionaire - that guy's a vegan performance yeah protein powder they make protein bars and stuff like that - right so all these all these companies have respectable CEOs millionaire impresario executives those guys have a certain kind of political credibility a certain kind of weight you tell me now there are there are other roads to power there are other ways to get over ties there are other ways to get financial backing for vegan movement you tell me who do you want your name attached to do you want your name attached to Wayne and Priya and their shitty undemocratic backstabbing self-destructive little disruption based movement do you want your business to be linked to Wayne and Priya as they face terrorism charges again and again is that who you want to cooperate with or would you rather cooperate with daya incorporated Hampton Creek incorporated any of these vegan or semi vegan companies that are in a very direct an obvious which is or maybe your local vegan restaurant maybe a vegan supermarket maybe a vegan dessert company whatever it is the food services and Della's for-profit side of the game both are problematic they're problematic in different ways I think that the aspects of the political movement that are more corporate are going to have some characteristics that are very different from the aspects that are explicitly political groups like PCRM groups that are explicitly medical etc etc there's gonna be diversity there you're smiling you want to jump in I don't know what that smell means what I love you I think this should say look the only thing I want to know I feel stiff I already did 700 videos on this channel which is me giving a monologue so I so sometimes she feels like a member of the audience even when she's on camera tells you something look why were these charges so serious I think Mike the vegan is lying to you about that I think in effect mod vegan is 90 or was lying to herself about that fundamentally in law enforcement the most important question is propensity to Rhea fend for because these are politically motivated crimes by people who openly espouse that there's nothing wrong with them those crimes the people committing these crimes have committed the same crimes before talking about Wayne thought with the leader of Jarrett eyes Network Wayne and Priya and they're openly espousing that they're gonna do them again and they're encouraging others to them again so if people who are asking in this incredulous way why would the FBI come on down on them so hard what why wouldn't the FBI just treat this like a house burglar someone who just got drunk one night and broke into a house trying to steal a TV set because it's really not the same is it it's really not there's really a very good reason why this isn't treated the same way as say you know a political protesters who maybe do some damage to a public park during a protest that's very common just mention the own political protest that's a that's a legal problem they often run into but where they didn't really intend to and they didn't espouse that is a good thing they just said well we're trying to do this political protest in the park we're sorry we broke the fountain or whatever was something got damaged we broke the public restrooms or something because we had see what he people the protest that happens okay it's in no way comprable that this is being persecuted as terrorism because of the propensity to Rhea fend you commit a crime and you espouse and you do it with no masks on and you espouse that you're not ashamed of it you're proud of it and you're actively boasting on Instagram you're putting up those selfies it asking for donations you're doing all that stuff you are making it completely clear to the authorities that if they don't stop you one you will reoffending two you have followers whom you will inspire whom you will occurr egde to commit the same offense again so from my perspective this is a massive exercise in self delusion you want to pretend this is the same as under country journalism it's not you want to pretend this is the same as some kind of minor crime like accidentally breaking someone's window like minor damage to property it's not if you break someone's window accidentally what's your propensity to Rhea fend it the reason why this is taken so serious of the FBI is precisely compensatory offend guys if you want to play these games I give this same advice to my daughter like if my daughter asked me daddy I want to commit a murder I'd say to her look let me let me let me tell you something let me tell you something sweetie days um you want to commit a murder you don't ask me for advice you don't ask your mom for advice Unitas the M for advice and what you don't do is take out your cell phone take a picture of yourself put it on the internet and ask for donations okay some things in this life you want adores criminal methods if you wanted or working outside the law if you want to be Robin Hood then you're not cool with the Sheriff of Nottingham these are two different paths in life either you're doing something clandestine or you're doing something overtly democratic participatory political where you can hold your head up high and ask for donations knowing that you're both within the law and you know that your morality cannot be impugned all right DXE direct action everywhere is an experiment and in the final analysis I think it will be judged an experiment in futility baddest yen