Devastating Aimee: Veganism as Personal Growth.

how does animal agriculture help the
species quiet how does animal agriculture help the species how does animal agriculture help the species how does animal agriculture help the species how does animal agriculture help the species how does animal agriculture help the species hmm how does animal agriculture help the species I mean it helped us by increasing our ability to trade anything that contributes well okay well it doesn't do that anymore doesn't do that anymore because it prevents us from from getting into Wars doing cows prevents us from getting into Wars trading is something that definitely ass wages war when you're sharing resources because certain areas are far right for certain you're telling me you eat cows to prevent Wars you eat cows from China to prevent it worse does animal agriculture prevent Wars yes or no does animal agriculture prevent Wars yes or no does animal agriculture prevent Wars yes or no does animal agriculture prevent Wars yes or no that's your question some of you may have just seen a video put up by vegan gains I don't know if it really can be described as a debate but that shows you just what an awful person Amy Kay is vegan gains confronted and tried to deal with in a systematic way questions of whether or not vegan diet would be better for ecology human health and ethics terms the impact and animals foundational issues of veganism and for over an hour you just got to see what an awful excuse for human being Amy Kay is now some of you might be really surprised to hear I already did this I already had a debate with this same woman and just like the video from vegan gains it would be really hard to even describe that as a debate how does how does animal agriculture benefit humanity how does animal agriculture benefit humanity how does animal agriculture benefit humanity how does animal agriculture benefit humanity how does animal agriculture benefit humanity how does animal agriculture benefit humanity how does animal agriculture benefit humanity how does animal agriculture benefit humanity how does animal agriculture benefit humanity you can't use food supply because we've already debunked that so how does animal agriculture benefit humanity how does your conduct rate how does animal agriculture benefit humanity unlike Richard my conversation with her was much more devastating it was really intended to reduce her to tears and it pretty much worked that was on live a boys chat on discord and she was not alone she had like five friends backing her up there were maybe only three other people really actively talking but there were these other dudes there and I was taking them on as a group and one of the reasons why I was frankly so mean and so devastating was that when I came into the room they were not saying at all what ami K says I think insincerely in this video they had any kind of positive reason to be engaged with vegans okay so you agree you agree that that veganism is a superior moral position so you agree that veganism is a superior moral position they were really openly discussing the extent to which they were trying to humiliate and sabotage the vegan movement with what they were doing on YouTube and on other social media platforms so you know there's obviously a level in which I just don't take kindly that you guys hear me on this channel really positively saying all the time look in the mirror ask yourself what kind of person do you really want to be what kind of person do you aspire to be I very often use rhetoric like look the ultimate product of the vegan movement isn't a dairy for a chocolate bar in a package it isn't soy milk it isn't a you know veggie burger it isn't one thing or another the product is you like what we're questioning here ultimately is what kind of man do I want to be what kind of woman do I be what kind of person do I want to be and that kind of positive aspiration is thing you have to kind of harness or your type of people's motivation to be to be really committed to veganism rather than just being some kind of you know reduce it Arian or somebody who says they kind of sort of tried to do the right thing but who aren't really committed to never doing the wrong thing so that that positive aspirational side I use a lot on this channel when I talk to people face-to-face about veganism and I do have the experience many times that converting people to begin some in real life I use that positively but the main thing I used in my engagement with my debate with Amy Kay was the same method but really flipped around and used negatively so in that discussion that she and her friends they really felt that their strong suit to play was to say that veganism was a failure as a movement and then they were very surprised when instead of debating that with them I agreed with them but one depressed forward further I said you're right it's a failure we haven't achieved any of our goals you know our goals are enormous our ambitions to make the world a place there tremendous and we haven't accomplished any of them and we've made almost zero progress towards them we've made so little you have these enormous goal to abolish what everyone's have always slaughterhouses have this ecological and colonies on and but then I turn around and I said what about you what are your goals what movements have you been a part of and they were really stunned by that and it's what are you doing in the next five years what have you done in the last five years and I was asking those questions sincerely but there was also a sense in which what I was doing was simply in a very mean and emotionally devastating way drawing them and drawing them out to a place where they really got hurt they really got emotionally beat up in this debate there were a lot of witnesses to that I don't know how many people were in the room on discord but there were a bunch of people and they were just blown away because they never heard me really lay into somebody that way they never heard me where I'm just psychologically devastating the person I'm talking to weathers you know there's no mercy and there's no kindness as that progressed I mean I really took them apart in but it really was specifically in especially Amy Kay herself so that at this point this question of how much do I want to digress to talk about this Amy Kay I do not think was born stupid if you even just look at the way she puts a sentence together and her vocabulary I don't think she was someone who was born with like a biological limit on her intelligence I think she's someone who's really chosen to be stupid and she's someone who was just good-looking enough just cute enough as a woman that she could basically get away with learning nothing as she went through the motions of her education and job and career path and so on cool so let's sum things up I think I'm pretty satisfied with how this one problem with me a lot of people do I'm [ __ ] adorable okay and people don't like it I mean one of the points where I drew her and she really got upset and was breaking down about her own lack of ambition to talk to them a lot about ambition I didn't make the point of the debate veganism when I took them on I made the point of the bait the ambition to make the world a better place let's do that and maybe veganism is just one imperfect way that we're all trying to make the world a better place but I said no you know what you're right veganism is a failure and I have a lot of experience with failure when I went to First Nations University and I was trying to study Korean a jib way I want to be involved with indigenous peoples politics language education preventing these languages who are insane and you know what I failed and so far that whole movement is failing and it's so sad to me to think that those languages are gonna go extinct Ottawa during my lifetime the Ottawa language by the way Ottawa is the name of a city in Canada it's the name of a capital city in Canada you've never met anyone in your life who speaks the Ottawa language you've never seen a street sign or a newspaper of that language because the language is going extinct in my lifetime and that's really shameful and really sad and it's gonna leave a cloud you know it's gonna leave a whatever you want to say at a black mark over the kind of moral and historical record of Canada it's it's yet another little step on our slow-motion genocide but I said yeah you know what I was involved in these issues where you know the for me personally it's a failure and nationally or globally can look at as a failure there were humanitarian projects in Laos and Cambodia and Southeast Asia generally and I saw these things rise and fall and I had my little part in the project whether it was a hands-on part or more of a research unit role like you know I was doing more of the thinking and studying but I was part of projects where you saw they were a failure the project that tried to give medical care to poor people and it failed but you know what we had we had the aspiration and the ambition to do something positive what about you Amy what have you got what have you done in the last five years what are you doing in the next five years right now and drawing her in and then dealing with those questions that way it was devastating to her it was devastating to the guy who did the most of the talking on her side her male friend who was who was backing her up and in the end that that debate aside from showing I mean like people in the comments I just said caught like ISIL that was so Savage I can't believe you you know you really took these people apart a lot of people were just blown away and I heard about it from other people and there was just this kind of word-of-mouth but though I still had this debate with Amy kid was just unbelievably vicious you know other people who weren't they or asked me about it and of course a lot of people asked if there was a recording or a video and there was nothing like that there's a totally spontaneous you know unplanned thing but what it Illustrated to me above all else was the extent to which Amy herself was jealous of what we have going on in veganism and when I was doing that humanitarian work I met and talked to people who were just on vacation in Laos Thailand Cambodia whatever and they would sometimes meet me and assume I was a tourist also or soon as they meet me and assume I was in the army like just the way I looked they think I was there with the US military or something but whatever sin did ask and then they'd find out about the humanitarian work I was doing the find out about the research I was doing and the languages I was doing whatever was the minima and sometimes you know there was there was a mix of admiration and jealousy and soon as there was a really kind of much more negative resentful jealousy because the people were thinking about their own lives they were even thinking about what they were they were thinking about what they were doing on that vacation but they were maybe thinking about the last five years their lives in the next five years the lives and where they're going and a lot of people in in 21st century culture are carrying around that burden of resentment with themselves all the time a lot of people are burdened with and to some extent crippled by the awareness that they were capable of something better they were capable of something more they ought to have had some positive aspiration maybe not the cure for cancer maybe not to feed starving people in Laos maybe not you know providing medical care to poor people in Cambodia maybe not veganism or helping animals on farms but that they should have had something and what they have is nothing an Amy Kay who she is and what she is is a naturally cute attractive good-looking woman who is now 30 years old she's older than you think she's probably missed her window of opportunity to get married have a baby and have a family she's missed her window of opportunity to get an education and have a career she squandered those opportunities she even I talked about her with this at some length she missed her opportunity to learn any language other than English even though she had family members who spoke other languages she missed her opportunity to do humanitarian work in India although she had family members connected to that she has regrets about passing all that up and she is a nobody and she is on the internet trying to be a somebody but she's missing that crucial link that we as vegans have or as vegan activists or vegans aspiring to sign positive something we have which is that we become somebody not through being Fame [ __ ] or gossiping or entertainment all this [ __ ] not through song and dance right that you become a somebody through your ambitions right and in the pursuit of your ambitions you transform who you are all right we're all born ignorant we are all born ignorant in case you guys think I was just came out of the womb like you know knowing any of this stuff I know or even caring about this stuff I grew up playing Sega Master System I grew up playing Sega Genesis yo shut up toejam and Earl okay I you know what talk about you know meaningful influences in my life I also grew up with garbage lowbrow Western culture I didn't have like you know sir I mean I didn't have any kind of special advantage in my childhood but at some point you decide to take life seriously at some point like you know even something like my engagement with Laos it has to start with an awareness like wow there's this historical tragedy I know nothing about I just learn about it the United States dropped more bombs on this country than they dropped on Germany and Japan and World War two there's this whole history there's this culture is the ancient Buddhism there's the modern war communism poverty all this stuff is going on hey can I make a positive difference I can but I'm gonna have to work hard as hell I literally went to Toronto Metro reference library that's a free library for you don't pay you don't even pay a dollar to going on I went into that library and I took every book off that bookshelf for a long series of languages Cambodian lotion Sinha leaves I mean I hit the books even in deciding which language I was going to learn I studied the history the politics the philosophy the language and you know even sorry but I don't even want to make it sound that academic when I was there I wasn't a tourist even when I was just talking to a farmer and learning about what was going on in agriculture when you talk to you know the people in that sense when you talk to the common people when you get down in the dirt and get your hands and feet dirty and talk you know just really learn what's going on in one of these cultures or you know where a lot of the information is kind of secret and verbal and not written down don't have freedom of the press they don't have free speech on the radio or newspapers if you want to know what's going on even in your own neighborhood or in the economy or something we're really yeah and you know what that changed me because I wanted to change I didn't want to be at 31 years old the same guy I was at 21 years old and won't it be at 21 years old the same guy who played you know video games at age 11 right getting older is not getting wiser you're gonna change when you commit to change and this girl Amy Kay she also reminds me of a lot of moralizing you find in ancient Buddhist philosophy in the Canon you're not trying to talk you're deliberately trying to be dishonest you can think I'm dumb okay she was born just clever enough to be dumb you don't I mean she's just clever enough to make excuses for her own stupidity and stay stupid because she's not learning the lessons from her stupidity and she's just cute enough and good-looking enough in charming I've especially as a young and this is gonna it's gonna be over now you've run at a time with that [ __ ] that she could smile and be evasive and changed the subject and you know kind of wink and giggle at people and get through life without really getting caught out in their mistakes with not without really bearing the consequences of you know her actions and her stupidity you're just clever enough to keep on being stupid you're just cute enough to get away with this I have no idea I mean what I don't have no idea what kind of work history she has but I mean she admitted to me that she's basically never had a real job in her life she's never had any real career or education I don't know if she used to fold t-shirts at a clothing shop or work behind the counter at a designer clothes warehouse I don't know if she's had Joe jobs like that but I mean again when she was really breaking down with me in our debate she admitted that she's never had any sense of direction or purpose in life any career she's never had any ambition even to earn money or get an education or have a decent job she's never had an ambition to do anything but what she responds to in veganism what it was she's trying to lash out at and really in a sense destroy is exactly seeing a morally defined highly motivated subculture of people trying to do some positive where people who have exactly what she lacks so look man you guys may not know the song there's a Leonard Cohen song [Music] the flowers that I see the children in the morning know they will leave that way last Sousa they're leaning out for love they will lean that way forever most human beings are defined by terrible terrible needs by desire x' they never really come to understand themselves and a lot of people do not grow up and I've said this before also I don't think veganism is for children I don't think veganism is I mean really some people you see it here are just too stupid to be vegan it's a tragedy but it's true you know people are gonna grow up when they choose to grow up and veganism is one of these uncomfortable sobering social messages that says to people hey all those excuses you have me life all of them all of them grow up [Music] you can trust me boys touch your perfect body is mine [Music] evolution