JUST THE DRAMA: Durianrider vs. Plantriotic vs. Izzy Davis

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but even I think even if you had just looked at the threats of violence he made against me your opinion would have changed like even if you everything else the same we just knew this guy threatened avenue stabbed beaten up again would probably have changed your perspective but looks like so the senses in the middle of it was just saying um well you did in that video was you said okay if during writers lying and again anyone wants to nose knows that he really is like if during writers lying then he has no credibility as terrible person and then you say but my personal experience with them is positive I think he's a funny guy's a nice guy so you know I'm supposed but this is her but this is my point I think the conclusion you have to make is in life going ahead that's not really a solid basis for that kind of judgment you know with anybody or with anything you can't you can't just say well and a lot of people are in this position with Donald Trump right your current president states he's been in show business for so long there were a lot of people who could say oh well you know he's a nice guy I met him at a party I shook his hand that's not really what we're talking about you know the question about whether or not right okay it's a great and I think I think face to face probably Donald Trump is a nice guy to have a conversation with these funny he's drugged he's relaxed he's been in television for a long time your whole circle of friends did Donald Trump's hung out with you know six other people who hung out with Donald Trump and they all say he's a great guy but you know at the end of the day the question is can can poor people get health care yes or no that's so that's that's gonna question let me ask you a question why well so I can tell you the the Crohn's disease thing was one turning point where I made videos pointing out that specific health claims he made were wrong and a lot of people respond to that so I know like his fans were asking about that because that was something right how narcissistic he is whenever someone just makes a video questioning something with what he says and he's so passionate about whatever he says is right in his log because he's the skinniest and leanest and most fit one everything useful listen to him you question that and then he comes out with these accusations like if you get this we put it all together that's just someone who's trying to beat down to a pulp anyone that argues with him you know you put out a video maybe questioning my behavior and now we're having a logical yeah now we're coming to a conclusion and that good people react to things if I don't need defamatory and lying claims because I don't want to hurt anyone I want the truth to be exposed right and it's pretty pretty clear behavior I'm really like debilitatingly narcissistic behavior well I mean look anyone can be vegan not anyone can be a leader in the vegan movement you know what I mean like I'm just saying I'm not gonna take it wet during rider is a real vegan you know I called some people Fabian's I've had I've had conflicts with other vegans where I said to them honestly I think durianrider is a better person than you because I know at least he sincerely cares about x y&z you know like some people I think are our fake vegans that are absolutely terrible for the movement however someone like Jerry Reiter can't be in a position of authority he abuses that authority he can't be in a position of leadership and it's obvious that the little bit of Fame and someone that he had from my perspective it's very clear he's done more harm than good and I'm not the only one we won't go into the other cases there are other individual people he's hurt but again you know the other thing when you mentioned like when you kind of asked in a vague way why did they start hating me so intensely the other thing was I did an interview with a former follower of theirs her name is Leah pram sir so that interview was still on my channel I think it's over an hour long discussion but you know she wasn't heating on during writer and freely but she gained a lot of body fats she dropped out of school she moved to Thailand like you know she changed her whole life because their leadership and you know the conversation is like hey this is pretty weird huh it's you know but we're not in that conversation we're not slamming to rewriter and freely but you know we're talking about life and it's it in it's pretty weird yeah beautiful but I do want to talk about something when you were questioning my logic and saying like is he was never vegan Alling justify that a little bit but do you think that durianrider is and again there's no speculation we don't know but there's a difference between someone who's just like a malicious [ __ ] who's trying to cause [ __ ] versus someone who actually has a mental disorder right like maybe maybe double personality disorder like and I don't know and I and I have seen an interactive durianrider and like he does it's like he seems pretty functional and in society but you know maybe he has a mental disorder or something on the spectrum of some emotional disorder that gets him to so angry and hurt and maybe he hates this narrative that way he's just such a good guy so if anyone criticizes him it's just so unfair because he's been on YouTube first and he's helped more people like maybe dude he's created this narrative and his head combination with kind of a mental thing but still it does not write it you're still responsible for your actions you should I think does not it does not accept the word but it doesn't approve of the clearly aggressive violent and uncalled for behavior by refusing multiple people and such as you but I'm sure there's so many people I know I'm the one who stood up that's why people remember me is because I really stood up to it but yeah a lot of people weren't in a position where they could a lot of people are slunk into the shadows via going so when I first talked to being gains one of the questions I asked him was because vegan gains one of the things this channel does is really criticizes people about fake health information like fake weight loss information make steroid information and I said why didn't you notice the red flag the durianrider claimed he could cure crohn's disease so crows diseases are really serious incurable disease and he made all vajura mitre made these contradictory claims about Crohn's disease and again even if you don't have someone like me criticizing them if you just watch what he's saying it's obvious that he's lying from the inconsistencies in what he's saying like the self contradictory and things that scientifically don't make sense so like for you for you vegan gains for Richard it should be really obvious this this dude is lying you know in a serious way so there's some examples like that that are completely dry like they don't have anything to do with sex but it's like this is a really serious red flag that this is someone he was lying and manipulating to people whose fame is based on on something negative and then on the other hand again this is the side I would have thought you'd know about like my interaction with durianrider so he didn't just accuse me of being a pedophile and a sexual predator he said he was gonna have a gang of people beat me up he said he was gonna have people stab me in Chiangmai repeatedly and I had to go back to Chiangmai for the court case later now already that makes one side of the conversation a little bit less credible than the other because I haven't said anything like that right like who's lying here who's threatening to have someone beaten up or stabbed but some right that's the case you know well I'm just saying it's not credible it's not like you'd watch you saying but anyway so when he was he demanded to see my criminal record and I was just about to start a job in China so I actually had my criminal record check with me like normally I wouldn't I just had oh like here you go but I did because I was starting a new job and for that job you it was a job in the university as a teacher you needed to have a criminal record check to do that kind of job in China so he's like oh well look it's a it's a funny coincidence yeah here's my passport here's my criminal record check I sent it to him and he responds and by the way I was always willing to talk to him I was willing to meet in person I said look if you want to meet in a coffee shop we do that said if you actually want to kick my ass we can meet at a boxing ring or something look I don't care but like you want to talk gonna sell this I'll meet with you and I said if you want to meet on a street corner we can do that too like you know I don't care and he completely wimped out by the way he lost his support that see this nothing all the lies he was talking to him he also told all these lies about being a tough guy that he'd been to prison that he was such a tough guy he used to really play that role which again makes his side of the story less credible and like for someone like you also if you just paying attention that's like it's a lot of things this dude don't add up okay guns but the point was so he demanded it's totally unreasonable look if I said to you right now show me your criminal record like it's just unreasonable but I actually did it okay choose my criminal record here's my passport and he immediately wrote back and made statements on the internet and in videos and and and on tumblr saying that my my passport was fake and that my criminal record check was so that's how he responds to this like if you give him an inch he just he just tries to raise the stakes to the conf like that's how the confluent like obviously I could talk I could talk for an hour but all the other crazy [ __ ] in it but everything so it's like so I'm here being reasonable like I'm actually willing to talk this this through and dude so I just say I gave you the example of my girlfriend's dad and her brothers like this stuff impacted my life its impacted employers I'm hiring for jobs right so that's do you think that's the game we play right yeah it's cool it's a long time it's a long time for you to ignore your dog it's reasonable she'd want to talk you know we are all we the world is not black and white durianrider is loves animals he wants to help animals during I would love to help people because I've seen him help people with which he claims about all the time you know those are positive qualities no one could arguments those are positive qualities and then he also has really really negative qualities but clearly the negative qualities that he's chosen to commit are our unquestioning they're so far beyond the negative qualities that I would have as also just a unique person right now Murthy that's awesome then when I'm under carved and get pissed maybe I'll do something that although I am the yogi and I'm pretty very gentle and I'm a very chill guy but I don't criminal record that's what you say but you know it's so easy for during riders to claim with the backlash like really but I love animals and I love do people and that's what he was right because people are complicated but even with the complications of the human being a good person doesn't make defamatory comments accusing someone of a disgusting illegal activity just because the parens criticizing their nutritional ideology do I think that during the rider has veganized a lot of people and that the animals are probably stoked about that yes you know we can't defend that but to think that he has a big impact on the vegan world and community now is ridiculous but but at the height and at the height of his fame before he broke up with really before his channel tumbled he said I was a pedophile he said I was a sexual predator and what you just said is that he's not very relevant outside of the vegan community but that is my community that's where I live and work so he he denounced me he denounced me and he defamed me in a way that was very powerful and very real impacts of my life inside veganism and outside veganism when I first met my girlfriend so she's on my channel a lot lately people haven't seen so ever say it's not like a secret girlfriend when I first met my girlfriend her father and her two brothers googled my name and found all these lies durianrider had told about me another person who was just like a new fan of mine sent me email and then said oh wow I found all this dirt on you this these terrible things religion and there's there's no basis to any of it in terms of the stories he made up of me it's not even a he-said she-said story like where there's my version events and there's the girl's version events there never was a girl julia bore she said openly that she had never met me which is true we never met each other and that I'd never sent her like a flirtatious you know nothing like that ever happens you me and her and the other women were imaginary but you said I mean this is the thing you said you knew he lied and made things up this is your attention you in all your videos you said that like even the more positive videos you said you were like a way or the tyrrhene writer was crazy it made stuff up it's like well he just he just made up that I had a sex scandal in Quebec where I was just sleeping with like so many vegan women and there was some skill and it's like dude I haven't been to Quebec in years Canada's a really big country from east to west you know it's like I'm on the west coast of Canada enrolled in university classes I have like this story it's it's so obviously false in so many ways and where are these girls who I slept with they believe me if I was getting laid with a bunch of vegans and Quebec they'd be on my youtube-channel those girls would be I'd be doing videos of them I wouldn't I wouldn't be hiding it you know but you know I didn't think I was laying a really hard criticism exploring that it was just kind of questioning you know philosophically what's the meaning of saying someone never was a vegan or something you know yeah I think that I made that claim it's one because it's a good title for a YouTube video and to the sense of truth that I was trying to pull from it is that veganism as you'd probably agree versus plant-based or an ethical ideology or just personal thing agree I I am gonna I so I wanted to bring up that maybe people who have lived plant-based and vegan dietary lifestyle but have truly in their heart done it mainly for the nutritional or weight water use maybe we'll call those people not vegan he's right did live a vegan lifestyle and the animals don't give a [ __ ] because we're I thought being eaten so that's like I always say that I don't care if you're vegan or plant-based as long as you keep doing it because they don't care as long as you're not contributing to their suffering so I sure saying that it was kind of an employment for you sure he definitely wasn't begin for however two or three years however she was but you know I dated her for a long time yeah and I'll say this this is kind of exclusive information content here I think I just thought a bug bite on my cheek mosquitoes are getting karma you know when when when we moved to Berkeley and again this is know hey Cindy because is he's a passionate smarter woman and she's gonna do the things that she's interested in she is interested in academics and many many other things I am really into animal rights and there was getting people to go ethically vegan so when I was in Berkeley and doing tons of animal rights activism is II came to one or two things let's say in a given month when I went to ten or fifteen she never was added to animal rights as I was so in that video I didn't make the claim that sure you know while she did make some animal rights content I her heart probably wasn't as into the animal rights thing as it is for me and many of my vegan friends so maybe she was kind of really plant-based and now as we see she's meeting all kinds of animal products and if you're truly into hell or a serious I know knows comet in ten years but I've been six years vegan now and I cannot imagine every other animal progeny for the rest of my life so that's why I made the claim that make and it's a good [ __ ] YouTube site but look I totally see those do I think you just didn't I think you did I think you didn't flesh it out that videos as you did here well I think by me look you could make a separate video Takemoto because a lot of us have been through that my ex-wife if I was married for six years and this is another reason why the dirty martyr thing had such an impact I have a five year old daughter at that time she was three years old and I'm in a divorce and custody battle and it's like I've got people on the internet saying I'm a suspect pedophile and a sexual predator it doesn't just impact my employment impacts my divorce and custody situation so it's really pretty scary there's one of the reasons why you know it was impacting my life but my ex-wife after I split up with her she went back to a non-vegan time I know I know it's like and my current girlfriend her ex-boyfriend like you know he became vegan because of her then five minutes after they split up he went back to no but I think I think I think there is an important lesson for you to take from it because in that case you know in case the datura murder thing all the cards were on the table and like I say even people who really knew him personally even people who support him like the guy from the glucose network Abdullah Zainab or vegan Ava or foot soldier but even vegan gains vegan gains was friends with during rider and a supporter of human freely all these people even the people had the most to lose by opposing during rider and he really had the most to gain by continuing to be his friend or supporter all of those people the information was there on the table to figure out Wow Harley's done something really immoral here so I just say I think the lesson for you to learn is you've you've got to do that little bit of research you know in this case it would have just been a little bit of good whether you reach out to me or solve what was already out there on the on the net because all that stuff was there to put the pieces together you know okay I think it's a very clear case of bullying and career pressure I don't blame anyone who doesn't go out and make anti during either videos because look if someone's trying to start a YouTube channel and thinking about themselves in this situation sometimes you know very neither has bullied certain people it's scary to come out and be against someone who's kind of the king and the original king in this movement and of course you could say it is cowardly if someone's not going to come out and look at all the facts and then talk about it but I'm also going to be sympathetic to people who just don't want to cause that drama and attention to their lives even though it's obviously so important to you because you've unfortunately had to bear a really brutal brunt of that and I'm happy that I can now come out and reinforce my beliefs on this so hopefully try to lessen that it's sad that beating and discomfort into shittiness that's happen to your life sure I'm also sympathetic to people that are scared to make videos about it because they feel like if I go against his bullies this bully is going to go and beat the [ __ ] out of me online and that's also during rider should think is that really the reputation that he wants to of silencing people of how they think and fear that he's going to bully them again that's not a person that you want to look up to you want to look up to people like this you can just have open logical reasonable conversations with you know bully mentality is not a nice thing and I can say that I felt that form of bullying I didn't want to make a video against crazy news because I didn't want to feel the brunt of it but again I was I understand I did say I think I think the lesson I think the less for you to take from it is what you actually said in your second video that has my name in it where you talk about the situation you kind of say all these bad things about during rider that you know he's a liar you say he's totally discredit himself you said if this is untrue and you know what's untrue if this is untrue during riders totally discredit all right do some visions right yeah but you could have no no no really it was knowable really everyone figured it out except you really you were one of the last people to figure it out because there were so many obvious signs this was this was false but you know say well if if and there's but again even if you just examine his statements the the lies are quite obvious from one side only but you could have reached out to me whatever you know and all the lies he told about the core case on one lie led to another of this guy and it was all equally false but you know you said well I know I know but you did you you did me I know but you did make two videos you know thinking stay honest you did just think so it's not like you chose not talk on you did then one of them one of them is a long video and one of the short but you're saying you did take a stand on this and you were wrong sorry the finish was I think and of course if you want to be as logical and scientific about it if you make a stance of something you should probably talk to both sides or like like I say though but even I think even if you had just looked at the threats of violence he made against me your opinion would have changed like even if you everything else the same if you just knew this guy threatened have me stabbed beaten up again would probably have changed your perspective but looks like so the senses in the middle of it was just saying well you did in that video was you said okay if during writers lying and again anyone wants to nose knows that he really is like if during writers lying then he has no credibility as terrible person and then you say but my personal experience with him is positive I think he's a funny guy's a nice guy so you know I'm supposed but this is her but this is my point I think the conclusion you have to make is in life going ahead that's not really a solid basis for that kind of judgment you know with anybody or with anything you can't you can't just say well and other people are in this position with Donald Trump right your current president states he's been in show business for so long there were a lot of people who could say oh well you know he's a nice guy I met him at a party I shook his hand that's not really what we're talking about you know the question about whether or not right okay it's a great and I think I think face to face probably Donald Trump is a nice guy to have a conversation with he's funny he's dry he's relaxed he's been in television for a long time right even your whole circle of friends Donald Trump's hung out with you know six other people who hung out with Donald Trump and they all say he's a great guy but you know at the end of the day the question is can can poor people get health care yes or no that's so that's that's kind of the question [Music] evolution