Digesting Beans: Why "Vegans" Become Carnivores.

we've all seen it
maybe you've seen on the internet maybe it's a friend or family member worse still maybe it's a friend or family member but you only find out on the internet know someone who used to be vegan who maybe even used to come on instagram or youtube and take their shirt off and boast present themselves in their bikini bottoms or whatever it was about all the positive benefits they had from a vegan diet and then one day they hit their limit one day they just decide they can't digest beans anymore they can't cope with a vegan diet and do they do they modestly adjust the vegan diet to suit their digestion no they swing to the opposite extreme they start attacking and denouncing veganism and they become outright carnivores we've all seen it happen i i have one friend we're not close close friends but we've talked we're close enough that we've talked about our personal lives like she's someone i've talked to about my marriage and my divorce and she's talked about things she'd been through on her own and stuff we're close to that she used to be an advocate for veganism here on youtube she even published cookbooks she had a youtube channel she had for years and what was it that pushed her over the edge not into not just quitting a vegan diet not just questioning a vegan not just adjusting it but going all the way over to being a meat-eating carnivore it's beans it's the difficulty of adjusting beans at least in our culture shout out to everyone in the audience hi lars hi nacho hi whale nice to nice to see you all here this is the kind of video where i just decided why not do what it's a live stream why not when i lived in toronto canada so this would have been about the year 2001 i was a relatively young man and i was already shaving my head this is unusual canadians are quite taciturn english speakings they don't strike up conversation here but there was a guy working at a second-hand cd store so those of you watching this in the future you don't know what cd means this is a form of paying for music from the barbaric past and this guy had seen me there a couple times he you'd seen me over there a couple times ago and he said to me you know he was trying to make the transition to shaving his head and he really wasn't sure how to do it and he wasn't sure what he was doing wrong could i talk him through what my approach is it's the only time this happened in my life and he was shocked by my advice he was going out and buying the most expensive razors and the most expensive creams and it's kind of natural i mean people buy a lot of things that way i don't know they buy cars that way they assume if this is the most expensive car it's the best car i had a friend of mine once he went to italy and he bought the most expensive bottle of wine to give his girlfriend in italy some of you will be able to figure out what i'm talking about i've told so many anecdotes of my life you'll know the friend you went to you'll know other things about that guy's experience in italy and he presented this to his girlfriend he said oh i assume this is a this is a great bottle of wine and she winced looking at the wine she knew wine and she said it is not completely terrible you know the best the best bottle of wine is not necessarily you know people who really know wine don't buy based on the price you know they know things about the year or where it's from when it's from and what what it is that makes a quality wine you know so what i said to this guy with shaving your head was look these razors are a cheap mass-produced product in a factory it's hit-and-miss go ahead and buy a big bag of the cheapest disposable razors and as you're using them if you're paying attention you will notice some of them work great and some of them in the same pack are terrible so you've just got to do this with a willingness where if you go oh it seems like it seems like it's not working you don't blame yourself it's not technique it's not that you're doing something wrong you have to take that razor and throw it in the garbage and get another one and the odds are the next one you get out of the pack is fine like these things are assembled they're manufactured at such a low level of quality control we want to say the difference from one razor and i talk i talk this through with him you know and he was stunned you know what there are some beans there are some beans that in this same sense from the minute they leave the farm they're just no good and it doesn't matter how much you boil them it doesn't matter how you cook them doesn't matter what you do with them those beans are gonna give you indigestion and all you can do is throw them in the garbage now i i have never heard anyone on the internet admit that before i've never heard anyone admit that about razors and i've never heard them admit that about uh baked beans either no i think about you know whatever you want to say um i've lived all over the world the quality of beans you get in a can in france exponentially higher than the united states and canada the quality of green peas that you get from a grocery store in france in a can processed you cannot imagine how much better canned peas are in france than they are in canada let's go a little further here lentils yellow lentils from iran anywhere in the middle east turkey north africa southeast asia all around the world farmers produce wonderful yellow lentils not in canada we have the worst lentils in the world and they're the most expensive what's more expensive canadian lentils or turkish lentils or middle eastern lentils or i used to eat lentils in southeast asia that were farmed in southeast asia third world countries in southeast asia okay you can buy beans that are incredibly cheap and farmed in third world countries that are very high quality and very digestible and you can buy beans or lentils that are very expensive and of seemingly fine quality and seemingly good packaging right that will give you terrible indigestion just like buying a bag full of razors if the razor itself is bad you just have to be willing to let it go you have to have real detachment about the quality of the beans and what caused you just and guess what guess what the thing is guys just like a bottle of wine you can't tell by looking at it okay you can't tell by just holding up a bottle like looking at the color of the liquid inside how good the quality of the wine is now reading the label of that's different you know what year is this where is it from there are things you know about but i'm just saying looking at beans looking at lentils when i lived in saskatchewan i even met and talked to the farmers a couple of times they'd have lentil farmers and bro you could not win with those lentils now this is only one aspect of the bizarre psychology of ex-veganism and of vegans becoming anti-vegans and outright you know carnivores i don't know if you guys are gonna see you've got some people in the guts people notice i see your comments coming in but you know i don't wanna i don't wanna digress too much this this is a video about one topic you know beginning middle and end is gonna be about beans digestion and the psychology of attrition the psychology of attrition from the vegan movement as it's linked to this this phenomenon you know and look you know what guys i've heard i've heard people complain if you tell vegans that beans are giving you indigestion the vegans will just say boil them more and that doesn't work you know what the truth is sometimes okay sometimes that's the problem and sometimes you have beans where no matter how much you boil them they're still bad and that doesn't work that's really true that's really true and you know we just don't have a culture that appreciates beans or any of these ingredients we don't have a culture that appreciates peas or carrots or anything else we have fine wine we have fine whiskey you know we have a cultural things but you know not not i don't mean to interrupt jump in that if you buy a package in a plastic container or strawberries yes that's right strawberries but when it's a can of beans you can't individually see each bee and you don't know you can't tell by looking at them that's that's right this morning like i don't think you can deal with wine that weather so melissa is saying with strawberries you can look at them and have some sense of the quality maybe sometimes you're wrong too maybe strawberries look good on the outside you bring them home you're like oh these were bad once in a while peaches you feel you can tell by looking at the outside of a peach okay it's true you cannot tell by looking at beans but some things in life are like that we have this thing yes you got a lemon it's a ridiculous thing you can just end up with with bad means what i see happening on the internet again again some of you will have friends who've done this friends people dying people diagnosing themselves with extremely debilitating conditions because of the incidence of a minor fleeting indigestion caused by beans now here in canada the mexican restaurants are they don't even employ mexican people we have mexican restaurants that are all like white british hipsters you know what i mean they open mexican restaurants all right but you can go to a mexican restaurant in canada where they're serving beans that are basically raw that haven't been haven't been boiled or cooked at all have been just barely uh uh you know boiled or cooked you know and you could have a solid 12 hours of indigestion that's happened to me innumerable times we went to a falafel shop here right we went to a falafel shop and i'm sorry but the woman was not middle eastern this was a white canadian hipster who'd opened a falafel shop she has no cultural continuity with the falafel making cultures of the world i think it was at least 10 hours of indigestion i was like yep well i'm glad we didn't do that for dinner because like you know from noon till midnight or something i'm completely you know disabled by the indigestion caused by the beans in this you know obviously vegan falafel or in case you hadn't got the point in this video you know we're vegan you know what happens but having 12 hours of indigestion because of a bad restaurant meal because of a bad falafel because of bad beans in a bad burrito or bad lentils that you boiled in your kitchen having 12 hours of indigestion does not mean that you have sibo s-i-b-o small intestine bacterial overgrowth you people have no [ __ ] idea what you're talking about sibo is a condition that people have in the last few months of their life when they're bedridden ill when they can't get up and walk around it's totally debilitating and it is largely co-morbid with a bunch of other conditions that in plain english just indicate that your whole digestive system is breaking down there are these young women who are on instagram posing in their bikinis showing like leaping and laughing and smiling and doing all these sports and living this you know wonderful life and and they're doing it with a vegan diet and up to a certain point they're saying hey i'm so thin and strong and sexy and you know athletic thanks to the vegan diet and then they come out and say oh you know that whole time i was suffering terribly with sibo sometimes they'll also claim like ibs or something guys these are serious medical conditions they think like they seriously convince themselves oh i was lying in bed and i had bloating and i had indigestion caused by eating these beans oh it must be that i have sibo like dude do you know the difference between the common cold and coming down with aids like dude like really the the level of self-deception hysteria and then self-justification built on that fear and history was like oh now what are you trying to justify well before you were an ideologically committed vegan right so they bought into the whole thing it wasn't just a health argument right they bought in to save the animals save the planet prevent people from having heart attacks right so oh they've got to really roll heavy with this now like oh no man oh no i tried a vegan diet and it gave me this mysterious illness called sibo oh really did you get a diagnosis do they have a blood test for that oh no i just looked it up on reddit i just went to the youtube channel with this guy gojiman i just like guys this is the other thing to remember okay i've spent i've spent a lot of my life around people with phds okay a lot there were people with master's degrees who are stupid and crazy there are people with phds who are stupid and crazy there are qualified medical doctors who are stupid and crazy i'm sorry it is not enough in this donation the year 2021 it is not enough just to say oh but you know i talked to this guy he's a doctor i talked to this guy this guy is an m.a in nutrition there are people with master's degrees and phds who are not just a little bit stupid or just a little bit insane there are people who are completely stupid and completely insane who come out of those university programs now again some of you here you might not have spent enough time inside those programs to understand what the process of evaluation is what the process of selection is what the process of rejection is what it takes to get in what it takes to to stay there there are certain qualities that are selected for you know in phd programs like i'm not going to say you know absolutely anyone can get a pg one of one of them is patience one of them is is being a conformist you know being a silent unquestioning you know we used to say brown-nosing person somebody who was uh flattering to their superiors you know what i mean so someone in the audience is saying 12 hours of indigestion sounds like a mild case of food poisoning so william i know what you're saying but if you've had food poisoning and some of you never have let me just think it feels different and the symptoms are completely different okay the type of indigestion caused by bad beans is not food poisoning okay melissa said football yeah oh yeah it's different it yes the vomiting and diarrhea and i can remember food poisoning also having tremors like where you're like as if you're cold you're shaking again like sorry i'm not saying this so you're willing but you're kind of this raises again the the issue i mentioned before of assigning a fairly trivial symptom to some really serious illness like oh this must be ibs this must be sibo sibo this must be food poisoning like no you just ate something that doesn't agree with you you just ate something your body is struggling to digest and for your digestive tract 12 hours is not a long time it's a long time for you if you're trying to get your job done but this is more than 24 hours for things to digest you know all the way through so here's here's a question okay all right pavitra says quote hello i buy beans and lentils in asian stores in the usa i know the difference when i lived in france they would have two different sections for lentils they'd have they'd have white people lentils and then they had the foreign food section for really you know and you would get dif they tasted different you could buy lentils that were imported from turkey you could buy lentils you know you could buy beans imported from southeast asia i don't remember beans from china there would be like beans from malaysia or something or thailand occasionally i should get these but you can you can get beans from all over the world anyway so pavitra says she buys lentils and beans from asian stores in the usa soaking and pressure cooking works every time but she does have the experience of eating out occasionally especially from bad fast food places so pavitra broadly speaking i am i am agreeing with you because broadly speaking the cultures that prepare high quality beans that you can actually digest they're not this one no they're not this culture and uh even the contrast between france and canada i mean canada is partly a colony of france the difference in the level of cuisine the quality of food the quality of ingredients it's just appalling guys like just comparing europe to canada let alone getting into those cultures whether in asia or south america or the muslim world you know the middle east arabia whatever you want to call it those people know how to farm lentils and they know how to cook lentils they know how to farm dates and they know how to cook dates those are the cultures that do those things those and they do it very economically too they do it uh they do it very cheaply okay so look guys i'm happy to talk about what you were if you if you i can illustrate this with examples but i'm talking about just a few psychological factors that really get politicized you know so one is this psychology of feeling unfairly persecuted because you've had indigestion caused by beans and beans are for most of us an essential part of the vegan diet you guys maybe can't see in the background i use pea protein powder heavily so i get a lot of protein from from powder pulverized peas peas that have been dehydrated and mushed into a powder it's great but you know you don't have to eat beans it's a different way to get protein speaking but if you're not using protein supplements it's true beans are a big part of our life in one form or another oh yeah we could say the same stuff all over again about about tofu i'm sorry but we i am not living in the homeland of tofu here if you want great quality tofu at a great price moved to hong kong i remember in hong kong i used to be able to get soy milk that was made fresh that morning and it was a slight green tint you know they'd crush it that day and they'd throw in some it's mostly made out of dried servings to throw in fresh edamame and you know it would go bad within 24 hours too it had no preservatives in it they'd crush it that morning you had to drink it that morning or it would go off it was a really short short lifespan product no okay you want to live in the homeland of soy milk you want to live in the homeland of tofu and tofu over there is as cheap i mean it's cheaper than bread you know what i mean it's not again it's not like you go into the wine store and buy the most expensive wine and it's going to be the best wine you can't go and buy the most expensive tofu made in california and it's going to be the best tofu that's just not the reality of life on planet earth it's not going to be the same for for beings or anything else okay people have this strange sense that they're being punished or persecuted by having this individual it's not fair right and what do they do with this sense they start thinking that all of the vegans are in some kind of conspiracy against them this really there's it's this shallow and it's this deep at the same damn time we have 41 people in the audience only 15 of you have given a thumbs up what are the rest of you carnivores give it a thumbs up more people join the conversation uh you give more thumbs up i just say it'll recommend the video to more people even including my own subscribers get some more people in the conversation so guys if you change your mind later you can give it a thumbs down and i'll tell you something else too what i'm saying now honestly i say the same thing to meat eaters like as a vegan it's not like i have one message from my fellow beings and one message meteors guess what meat eaters have indigestion too meat eaters eat beans too meat eaters go and have burritos but the breeders have both beef and beets and they have the same problems they go whoa i went to that mexican restaurant if you know yeah right right most are saying indian food they go for indian food and have horrible indigestion too mean eaters have all the same problems you know is it different when you're a vegan yes i mean it's different when you're a vegan because there's this ideological ethical and political element and again you feel let down you feel betrayed it's like well the diet is supposed to work for me the diet is supposed to save the whole planet the diet is supposed to be token my sense of moral superiority over others you know it's real keeping all those guys you know the diet means so much more than just a source of of protein and calories and then whoa you have this indigestion and you feel like the diet doesn't work now i just say the word hysteria obviously is used with negative connotations obviously obviously there's no value neutral why the title is there but i would say there's a kind of sincere hysteria in their swinging from having so much faith in the vegan diet to being disillusioned just by their own indigestion and then blaming all the other vegans who aren't having this problem well they must be like they must be having the same problem i'm having you know and this whole thing must be a sham and then they get in touch with you know sphereage and the carnivore doctors and really and then you hear them five minutes late you know um we've had situations where we buy beans in bulk here so dried beans in bulk that later you're gonna soak and you're gonna you know boil and cook and like we maybe give the bag of beans like fortunes they're really cheap here you know and you're like oh you know this particular bag of beans i had indigestion i said did you have indigestion after you know yeah you know like we're talking about in our own apartment it's not all beans so mostly we eat black beans now it's not it's not like it's just this particular bag of beans from this particular farm is no good you know and we have had to take a bag of beans and you know throw it in the garbage that's all you can do oh you can compost it you've had you've had to give up and be like well okay and let's try let's buy the same specie of bean it's not even a species the same breed or varietal people say varietal in agriculture agribusiness you know okay you know let's go over to this other shop and let's buy their black beans and they look the same like to the naked eye you can't judge but the one set of beans is farmed in saskatchewan and one is probably farmed in mexico in totally different climatic conditions in totally different soil by a different farmer and guess what they taste different and they digest differently too you know like there are differences in these things i just i just say i've mentioned the thing with red wine a bunch of times you know think about tobacco you know people who really care about tobacco can taste the difference between a cigar grown in cuba and a cigar grown in the dominican republic now if you don't know these are two different islands almost the same climate almost the same soil but it's not the same right i mean you know wine grown in france in the west of france as opposed to wine grown in the rhineland in germany so think of the map how different is the climate how different so you can taste the difference you can know the difference right we have a culture that looks at you know black beans as if it's a mass-produced solid plastic item if i order 10 of these that this is a plastic phone case they're actually silicon they're all going to be exactly the same right beans are produced by the earth and the sun and the wind at the moon and the stars you know what i mean like there's this really false expectation of consistency from the beans and there's a false expectation of ourselves too so i got to say this guys many people who are atheists still still to this day labor under a kind of delusion that this world was made for us right like as if beings were created in order to nourish you now was a famous example of this in the internet maybe 10 years ago people's jokes there was a christian preacher who was arguing against the theory of evolution and his his proof like what he used he did this in i think he did it a hundred times and then put somebody put on the internet like you know something he did when giving lectures at churches was that he would hold up a banana and he would talk about how perfectly a banana is shaped to fit in your hand and he would he would extol the virtues of the the banana is so perfectly suited to fit in your pocket and fit your hand and it tastes great and it nourishes you and like this was proof of like god's divine intervention like the as if the world is created to entertain and feed and nourish us right and sooner or later someone got through and they're like look look dude this is what the banana looks like in nature before human beings intervene and started selectively bringing them and like adapted them to suit human you know what i mean like this this resembles a wild banana about as much as a french poodle resembles a wild wolf okay like you know we've done things to nature as humans you know there's no real resemblance here and he he stopped using it in his lectures but for a time there were people internet criticizing this christian christian preacher this way okay but this same kind of fallacy you know what i mean uh on a deep level even people who are atheists they look at the universe this way like oh the universe wants us to be healthy and happy and flourishing these are the same people who won't eat anything that came out of a can these the same people who will you know refuse to use a toothbrush like because the universe like the universe didn't create you to have tooth decay or something you know they they want to believe that the world is created and shaped and guided by an inev by a benevolent intelligence by a caring disembodied parent that has provided these plants for you to nourish you and it's not true there is no god that created marijuana for you to get high okay the marijuana the marijuana plant it wants to survive it's trying to produce seeds for the next generation it's trying to propagate its young so melissa mentioned the toxins that are in coffee the coffee has more than one stimulant effect on people it's not just one chemical that's in coffee actually sorry it's not that it's not just that we have only one physiological response to the chemicals that's in coffee that's sorry that's that's the real point it's not really the complexity of what's in coffee it's the complexity of what our bodies do in reaction to it interestingly okay caffeine is in coffee to prevent insects from eating the coffee plant okay cocaine developed its toxins that people also find exciting don't do cocaine kids say no to drugs but some people subjectively think it's pleasant to be on cocaine it's not god didn't create cocaine to get you high god didn't create coffee to get you high god didn't create marijuana get you high there is no god that created the banana to fit in your pocket or the palm of your hand or to taste great or anything else right the bean did not evolve to nourish you and nor did someone design it to nourish you the bean is out here trying to trying to survive on its own now just mention this briefly because i remember this came up in my classes at university when i was at um when i was at uh uh so you just question i can answer so yomana i feel like strong bad hair anyway sorry i don't have pronunciation asks have you tried the dish called fool from the middle east yes and i was the introduced melissa to it many many exotic and international uh foods melissa had her first time with me melissa had never had indian food before she yeah but yeah i've had i've had fool many times fool is made out of fava beans so yeah it's a memorable memorable middle eastern uh bean dish yeah i was on i was on a roll there um looking at the universe as a fundamentally benevolent intentionally designed place that that that's intended to suit your convenience your nutrition that at a deep level is at the base of this somewhat hysterical reaction to having indigestion caused by beans where they have they eat beans and it's not just they feel indigestion for six hours or 12 hours it's that they feel betrayed right but look if you buy a manufactured product so this this is supposed to fit my particular phone i own two phones at the moment uh but this is one of my two phones if i get this and the holes aren't in the right place it doesn't quite fit the phone i feel like what do you mean this is supposed to be for the same model of phone you feel betrayed you feel like that why because this was made intentionally by a manufacturer it is made it is the product of an intention and a design by one of your human beings and if you were deceived if you were sent the wrong piece of plastic that was also a decision maybe made in a warehouse by a human being the same that you were did they say oh well we ran out of the pieces of plastic for that phone we'll give them a different piece of plastic and we'll make the same amount of money whatever the whatever the decision was right you feel deceived you feel that down but this is a much more profound sense of betrayal because they're blaming the whole universe they're blaming the world itself they're blaming god and they felt that veganism was an ideology that made the whole world make sense for them now man's place in the universe made sense freely the frugivore is still saying this oh you have to understand guys okay can i really do philly's voice can i roll she's a pretty coarse australian you have to uh freely is really a challenge to do freely i can do valley girl i can do british but to do freelee's particular form of kind of nasal whining australian accent this is a challenge you have to understand we were evolved to be frugivores we're like these monkeys that eat we're not evolved to eat grains we're not involved to eat cooked food this is your place and this is the universe's way of telling you that you're eating the wrong you know it's shallow and it's deep at the same time you know like i have no australian friends none this hampers me i've had british friends and thanks i really haven't spent that much time around the straws i did except when i was in cambodia and this stuff you know um when you feel betrayed by the diet you feel like this whole ideology you signed up for for man's place in the universe for the human niche in the biosphere for the history of evolution and the future of our society that was all predicated on this groovy view of the world that precisely beans exist uh denim or shoe and that that and that everyone else has it wrong that you know that you alone have cracked the code that you're in touch with the diet and the way of life that humans were intended to have and everyone else's is doing it wrong you know so they feel let down by that right and then very often not all the time but most of the time there's this kind of intermediate stage of greatly exaggerating the illnesses they think are caused by the vegan diet oh well if i'm having indigestion caused by beans if i'm having a digestion caused by uh tofu it's another common one you know oatmeal yeah melissa's mission well then that must be that i'm suffering from sibo or must be that i have some other chronic terrible health condition that's caused by veganism because allegedly they didn't have any of these problems before now i won't digress into this point but every single one of these videos these same people talk about the fact that they had these problems for decades before the vegan diet back when they ate a meat-based diet before becoming vegan they had these problems guys uh it's great we got 52 people in the audience we got 29 thumbs up if more of you could hit the thumbs up button more people will uh m more people will will join here's an interesting question going way off topic nacho says hey nacho welcome back eyes will be honest did you get off your last live stream to watch the atheist experience show so no great great question but no uh we we walk for exercise and i take walks wearing i think more than 30 pounds of weight in my back where a very heavy backpack to get more exercise out of the walk but i had a walk and talked to my girlfriend and took a shower and did other things i have not watched the atheist experience show basically ever i mean it's just garbage it's just terrible um i did offer to i got touched them i wrote to them offering to appear on the show to talk about buddhism and they were [ __ ] to me they're famous for being [ __ ] to everyone but i felt that slime positive to contribute to that show um well sorry lydia complained she's still blocked well you're not lydia because we can see and hear you right now sorry lydia i see your comment complaining that you're blocked so you're not blocked you know so i have a there's a great question from menelik or perhaps manelnek or else if you don't mind if i mispronounce your name in three different ways manolic asks what do you do for a living you're seeing it right now anyway guys if you want to hit the the thumbs up button it'll just help people uh see and come join the video while we are live streaming and make all of our um make all of our lives a bit more entertaining here all right uh where were we digressing from one from one point uh to the next all right there is this profound sense of betrayal that comes out of ideologically committed vegans questioning not only the health advice and not only the ethical worldview right but the sort of scientific evolutionary and even cosmological underpinnings of their whole world view when they figure out that plants can be poisonous and let's kind of give credit where it's due the the pro carnivore people they always hit on this and you it gets results with their audience what they hit on again against the idea of anti-nutrients poison venom that's in these plants that plants have evolved poisons to prevent you from eating them that's right the tobacco plant evolved nicotine right um you know the plant we make coffee from evolved caffeine the cocaine plant evolved cocaine so the cocoa leaf you know it's true you know there are poisons and many of the plants we eat today have a form of latex rubber in them it's incredibly common among the particular types of green leafy vegetables we as humans like to eat if you see the wild variety and you break off a leaf that there will be this white you know liquid that comes to the surface or break off part of a leaf i guess i should say um and we have often selectively bred them to reduce the amount of latex people who have latex allergies there's a whole list of foods they have to avoid because they can't eat latex either so why did they do this they evolved these things to prevent themselves from being eaten to defend themselves against insects and mammals and what have you yes you know but think about again the psychology the thing about the perception of the problem as something separate from and connected to uh oh by the way so i did pronounce his name correctly all right thanks for thanks for the feedback that's a good guess so the third one was correct the third of the three options um uh but look okay so there's a shallow level and a deep level to that too right so on a shallow level there's just accepting oh plants are our enemies they want to survive they're not our servants they're not our parents they're not lovingly feeding and nourishing us there isn't a creator god or a designer that created beans or broccoli or bananas or anything else to help us these plants are on this but they're out they're out here on their own they've got their own agenda they're working against and they will try to poison us or sabotage our digestion do anything else just to survive the plants don't work for us the plants are working for themselves man okay right the the the the pro carnivore people i think it's telling that they hit on this again and again that they're saying well unlike the meat of an animal these plants contain these intentionally evolved poisons and anti-nutrients and that's part of what your body is dealing with part of its you know really and thus also we have all the [ __ ] about the so-called fodmap diet i mean sibo is not the only you know scientifically unverifiable condition that's that's come out of this there's kind of there's a list of these kind of gray area conditions that uh nutritionists like to talk about and medical doctors who work in real hospitals will raise an eyebrow if you come in asking about if you come in and say your faith healer told you that you have this condition and so i'm saying oh yeah um you know kind of not quite falsifiable not quite physically real ailments that people uh convince themselves they have right but more broadly right they've shifted from a vegan view of the world as positively one in which nature embraces humanity and humanity embraces nature if only you can discover that you are truly a frugivore that you are truly meant to be a fruit-eating monkey and return to your ancient others and it shifts from that to a diametrically opposed view of what could be simply called a dog-eat-dog world suddenly it seems that the plants don't want us to eat them they'd rather eat us that in fact you know monkeys will eat humans which they will chimpanzees will kill and eat a human being when they have a chance and every so often that happens it's less frequent than shark attacks but nevertheless primates will kill and eat other primates primates will engage in cannibalism suddenly it seems as if the mysterious creator god of the universe is a rather cruel and demonic presence who has set each of us at each other's throats and the only way you're going to survive and the only way you are going to thrive is to embrace your inner carnivore is to return to the hobbsian war of all against all right is to get out there and kill cows and eat veal and drink their blood and drink their milk i don't think these things are related in a facile or shallow way the people who go from vegan to ex-vegan to anti-vegan they also go from a fundamentally caring and nourishing worldview and philosophy to a genuinely authentically evil violent predatory philosophy i mean you know jordan peterson's daughter you know she markets her [ __ ] as the so-called lion diet is that what you want to be you know do you want to be a lion among men you know do you want to be this kind of you know solitary predator you know i just say i mean to really question that i mean i know nobody wants to be a sheep right nobody wants to be a sheep a mommy nobody wants to be a herd animal you know what i mean but what is it really what is your morality and what is your view of your own place you know uh within it all right okay so uh frida says eating raw meat does not sound healthy so this is where once they've made this ideological commitment right the extent to which they see only what they want to see is remarkable okay so you may or may not have seen this but they have this list of nutrients oh here's a list of nutrients that's only found in meat and never found in plant food ah yeah this this will not even sustain a few minutes of of google searching and the other the number one most popular claim believed by dr jordan peterson and his millions of followers this is mainstream pseudoscience the mainstream pollution is that beef muscle tissue from a cow is nutritionally complete they will go and claim that every single nutrient and mineral you need to survive is found in the muscle tissue of a cow will not even sustain a moment of google surgery and if you bring up them like oh what about scurvy what about vitamin c like again it's not easy to sorry there's no effort at all required to come up with a list of nutrients that are found in vegetables that are found in fruits and are not found in dead cow meat particularly again we're just talking about one type of organ in the cow right just the muscle tissue of the cow why would that contain everything uh you need to live and they are committed to it they are committed to living that lie they are committed to seeing only what they want to see and it doesn't matter how much you delve into the details about cholesterol about blood pressure about vitamin c or other nutrients about fiber about health from a million different perspectives right they've committed to this very fundamentally frankly evil view of the world what they have to say to you is in effect don't you understand you know don't you understand the plants are all full of poisons you know nature which they formerly saw not just as their their friend you know but nature which was really the underpinning of their whole philosophy and their their worldview right now nature has turned against them so they feel that they in turn must turn against nature they have embraced a way of living that is in a phrase dog eat dog