Vegans ARE hypocrites: Piers Morgan is CORRECT, yet morally wrong…

why should veganism be treated like a
religion because it's a deeply held belief it's a passion and I believe in not making others suffer the most vulnerable members of our society which is farm animals should be treated with respect I think I can believe in that and yet not call it a religion 100 I love all animals eel God I believe that a religion isn't so much about a God it's about respecting others juhi sweetbreads okay so now piers is trying to trap her by asking her if she eats bread I'm not actually dressed up like a chef I'm dressed up like someone who dropped out of vegan baking school because the baking school wasn't vegan and who now uses the chef's jacket as like the equivalent to a housecoat just to keep warm here and there so this is not this is not a cooking video do not worry we're not gonna cook anything in this in this here tape oh we got some legit idiocy from Ryan and Angie over a happy healthy vegan and not just idiocy but hypocrisy and moreover it's hypocrisy about hypocrisy so let's jump to really briefly here the tape Piers Morgan and happy healthy vegan dodging the issue what do you say when meat eaters point out to you that in the production of vegan food you also do kill animals your whether in the process of wheat manufacture and bread making put literally billions of insects get murdered did he just say that billions of insects get murdered billions of insects get murdered [Music] piers as an insect activist people will often bring up like well what about bacteria or ants or you know other bugs are all beings equal to each other in that sense all the insects not the bacteria I dig most insects um I don't kill any but I'm starting to appreciate more and more of them as the years go by in fact our backyard right now is full of grasshoppers and crickets in fact this morning when I left Detroit there was a grasshopper I swear this big on the garage and Eric and I were out there and we were just face-to-face and all for about 15 minutes looking at this beautiful creature check out my animal intelligence I say by the way on my website there are no contradictions here you guys are walking contradictions you guys are walking graveyards of murdered animals you claim that your holy and compassionate and then you commit atrocities and commit evil acts every single day so everybody who's not vegan needs to look in the mirror and start analyzing themselves instead of the millions in the world I mean this is these are sacred enemies that have been murdered so you can eat break oh yeah insects crushing insects while farming we've visited this argument many times it's a version of the combine harvester argument I didn't see billions of deers get sucked in doing kilobyte combine harvesters don't get many ideas yeah be consistent actually no living creature should ever be killed so that you can eat food bread leads to the mass murder mmm this is an issue I dealt with from day one on this channel and it's an issue that does challenge the definition of veganism and it's an issue that you're not going to in a sincere and down-to-earth way wriggle your way out of by just demanding that the other side of the argument respect your perspective even if your worst perspective is deeply incoherent self contradictory illogical and wrong now you probably have heard the term straw man before - straw man an argument unless he spent many hours I don't know in conversation with Isaac over at ask yourselves Channel um you might not have heard the term steel man so steel Manning an argument is where I take someone's argument and let's present it in terms that are more difficult to to assail well the idea of thousands of deplorable six-limbed insects that don't have emotional expressions on their face and don't have intelligence informs that you may find easy to appreciate or sympathise with the deaths of all these insects to produce your daily bread may not tug at your heartstrings but maybe if we switch to another species like the gopher like Richardson's ground squirrel squirrel maybe that would Richardson's ground squirrel as it happens of mention this a million times the channel there has been fascinating research done on their level of intelligence on the fact that believe it or not they communicate with spoken language their spoken language we've broken it down to some extent through computational linguistics and they actually do have complex abstract thoughts memories commands they give to one another etc etc they spend their lives popping up and down through what we call gopher holes I guess technically they're ground squirrel holes and they talk they talk to one another they're at a moderate distance in one of their social gregarious animals with complex communication they're intelligent they're cute they make facial expressions that show their emotions in a way we can relate to hash tag speciesism every single day in canada people kill them they kill them so they can produce wheat they killed them just so their lawn is a flat green lying on the horizon instead of having melons and lumps in it they are killed as vermin throughout the prairies of Canada and I assume the adjacent part of the United States at least places like North Dakota and South Dakota I don't know the full range of this animal's habitat and guess what if you actually adopt the position that the life of an animal is sacred if you take the position that killing an animal is an immoral act and is contrary to your religion then you are a hypocrite Piers Morgan is right and vegans are wrong and I'm vegan but from day one on this channel I was saying hey I don't just want to approach veganism in a way that makes me look good that makes vegans look good I want to actually be good I'm not worried about vegans seeming crazy I'm worried about us actually being crazy holding deeply incoherent and self contradictory beliefs and statements of principle and that's what this comes down here so yeah Piers Morgan may be an idiot but guess what even an idiot can beat you in this debate where the other side is trying to argue for veganism being recognized and respected as a religion why because they really want that level of respect Piers Morgan's comeback is well if your position is killing animals is wrong you kill animals every day to produce vegan food ah also whether it's wheat for bread soybeans for the tofu whatever example you want too what's the vegans reaction well you see this is why you need to respect us as a religion even if what we're saying is wrong and self contradictory to you politically right okay there's more than one way to approach veganism there is more than one way to define veganism I've had so much angry hate mail from people writing in to me saying no no no there's only one definition of veganism well guess what some vegans admit to themselves they have to kill rats and cockroaches and insects and that that wouldn't even end in a hypothetical future where vegans take over the government and start writing legislation to get rid of things like factory farming and people wearing fur coats and people wearing leather shoes even if we have all that legislation we're still gonna have a conflict with wild animals like bears breaking down the doors of our houses trying to eat our garbage you're trying to eat the food out of our fridge or whatever it is they can do we're still gonna have conflicts with cockroaches bedbugs mosquitos rats and yeah it's actually really hard it's really challenging for vegans to answer the question of what would you do about groundhogs about the ground squirrel oh of these kinds of intelligent animals that are currently treated like vermin just so we can produce bread you know what it's not that hard if you can just be honest with yourself and on others you can come up with an answer you can say you know what this is something we need to take a serious responsibility for we need to have a step-by-step approach the same way that we as a society step-by-step have tried to go from being millions of people smoking millions of cigarettes every day to minimizing and controlling cigarettes and educating people and coming up with crazy technologies like nicotine chewing gum and the nicotine patch and come up with all these methods to help people quit we have this huge conspiracy of millions of people trying step-by-step to help us make the transition to being a tobacco-free society at nicotine free society you know what I think we can make the transition to being a society that minimizes and eventually eliminates you know the extermination of Gophers as barbaric I mean this is medieval having to go out and kill these mammals just just to grow wheat there are gonna be better techniques that can be rolled out step by step especially at government's make it a priority and start researching it if we stop pretending this is nothing and we of all people as vegans we should be the people willing to admit this is something this matters this is an externality or impact this is a side effect of our diets we should try to take control over we should try to take responsibility for even if here and now in making the decision to buy a bag of bread you can't because currently there is no no kill bread but as soon as one brand comes out imagine what a difference that is in the marketplace imagine when all of a sudden there's one bag of soybeans that says no kill the same way that you know they sell tuna with no no dolphins killed on the label you could have bags of soybeans tell you hey guess what no vermin were killed in making these soybeans or no vermin were killed in making this wheat technologically we can put a man on the moon okay people know if we put our minds to it if there was some priority to it if there was some research and development put into it we could live in a world where animals like Gophers live on habitat reservations on wildlife preservation areas in national parks and where they don't live on farms where we draw lines on a map and we separate these things and we have some kind of fencing in effect that keeps the Gophers over there or it keeps the wheat farming over here it's not impossible it's not an impossible pipe dream but it's gonna start with people including vegans meeting there's a problem and there's going to be a step-by-step process leading to a solution over centuries and you're never going to get there with this kind of ridiculous self contradictory religious mentality bread leads to the mass mail we're to kill no no Papa shame it's a shame on you two happy healthy vegan when the other side is right admit that they're right examine the contradictions in your own presuppositions and move forward that's the way to build a movement and this this dogmatic pseudo religious [ __ ] this is not [Music]