Dogs vs. Wolves: Vegan Ethics and the Future of Activism.

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I guess the argument is the animal can't consent right but you think horses want you to ride them like nothing about animals in our culture is consensual animals are constantly just abused right there basically slaves and then we eat them aah buh new CN you know uh I talked about this on my channel a million years ago but I once spoke via the internet with a vegan who is one of these rat people someone who loves pet rats pet mice and when she asked about my experience that I talked about I'm not going to say length here be I said no you know like in Laos we were doing humanitarian work you know the main thing about getting rice two starving people there was preventing the rice from being eaten by rats and sure you got to come up with with all kinds of solutions to that and some solutions are more violent than some are less violence and what have you but um you know I mean what am I going to tell you vegans use these words that are actually scientific in an unscientific way everytime vegans use the word symbiosis you think humans and rats are gonna live in symbiosis you know and I mean even these supposedly scientific vegans like a natural vegan talk about evolution the evolution of a doll that's something I should pick your brain on because you know about this the evolution of a dog compared to a wolf you had one video with some really interesting remarks that one one that I saw at least you know this illusion that a dog is something profoundly and totally different from a wolf due to evolution what you get is not this is not the meaning of the word evolution you know when human beings selectively breed an animal that's not evolution you know that's not natural selection people you know um uh anyway to me this is kind of a downward spiral of them of just you know fat us half true half false beliefs that vegans are constructing for their own edification but I gansito on the wolf thing I don't know if you hadn't want to say about it but I love that video did we just talked about the significance of a dog lying on its back and licking your face and this a viewer is it's a direct inheritance of it's a direct parallel to what wolves do an impact mentality in the wild and you know that those those are the behaviors were left to their own devices dogs will revert to them you know I absurdly I've actually had to say to other vegans you know it is literally a dog-eat-dog world in the wild big dogs will kill a neat little dogs and and so on you know big dog we were dogs bears watching the other berries yes yes yes but um the one thing I said it I know I've said it in comments in your channel and I've said in other places as well this idea that there's no absolutely no way that a dog could be really sad about these a little bit on some level silly to me and it's just because what we know about wolves the reality of wolf reintroduction is that you know these animals were taken out of the wild in order to be saved you know these populations the starting animals that were put back in the wild had never known the wild they had no conception of it many of them had probably never hunted I'm sure it's very possible none of them have had ever hunted but most they had known is that they were in a smaller enclosure just within the wild just to get them used to where it's like to being out there the temperature changes in singles I'm not going into a hot at night um and then they were in the reality that program there is a paper on there on talking about the reality just behavioral changes of rules once you release them out in the wild that in a real way they just decided you know on some level we're just gonna trust but they're gonna figure it out and the Mexican gray wolf is that what the papers on it's the smallest breathable it's a tiny animal it's maybe 90 pounds I mean the ones that you find like Alaska and like Canada like I I've never met a wolf but the largest well if I've ever heard of in captive is like 140 pounds something stupid there's like legends of 200 pound wolves it's a 90 pound male tiny little animal and within like four weeks like it was a month you know days there was something in them that they figured out you know pack behavior taking down you know oh deer or elk or whatever they have out here near zona um I would say also you know something I'm again my critics my critics are too stupid for me to even respond to the most time you know the other thing is that in many cases human beings do put those animals through a kind of training program before Rangers we probably that's true in your case also where you know any minimum they're switching from processed food to something that mimics you know eating their natural prey or their natural foodstuffs one of you very often when you're preparing animals to be reintroduced to the wild there is a type of training there's a type of preparation they're given so they can be reintroduced about what's true of many many many species now even without that there are so many examples of packs of feral dogs just returning the wolf like behavior is not it's not like it's not like you know we're talking about the cure for cancer here this is not something on the outer limits of scientific knowledge that packs of dogs go back to living in the wild sometimes in really extreme conditions you know in the Arctic or what-have-you where it's really tough to survive the dogs can just do that anyway it's happened more times than anyone can count it's the stuff of legend as well as the stuff of real scientific research you know when pigs do it feral pigs escaped from farms but beyond that yes there are some animals where we actually take the care as human beings try to train them and prepare them to survive before we put them back in the wild a lot of fascinating stories with that too but ethically and morally can't we acknowledge the difference between those two things like keeping an animal in captivity and providing with training so that it can survive in the forest is not the same as keeping an animal in captivity castrating it and training it so that it can spend the rest of its life sitting in a human beings living room so it can be reintroduced to be a toy and a play thing I don't let me derail you but amino to me yeah the concept of reintroduction of the wilderness as a sort of fundamental ethical value and for me ultimately that's also the difference between you know well dirt wildlife management and the sanctuary in the zoo a sanctuary is not preparing those animals to be reintroduced to the wild a sanctuary is just giving them a place to wait to die even if we're talking about a monkey right even if we're talking about elephants and monkeys in a sanctuary the just held there like a zoo until they die it's very different if we're talking about wildlife management about preparing animals to be reintroduced to feed themselves to survive in the wild or not one of the other things i think interested is uh I think that's interesting to me is um I mean I've tied I have people who watch my videos you know agree with some of my opinions on the role that's used to played it actually on some level you know whether you want to call it saving actually contributing to populations of animals that were once really deficient in the wild becoming strong again um there's further questions you can ask about that even in areas work you know they've been really successful and stuff like that on I've talked about the black-footed ferret before the reality of black-footed ferret program is they didn't breach while in captivity I mean artificial insemination was an important part of that program I mean how do vegans feel about artificial insemination oh you you actually want me to answer that question it was implied yeah I know but look at me for me you know look that there's this sort of challenge to tradition which includes like Native American tradition indigenous traditions includes European traditions I remember once because i was i was studying cree in a jib way and you realize ninety nine percent of the people around me involved in that are not white they're there at least partly of indigenous blood most most people interested in that field are not white people you know naturally I remember once I have no idea how the conversation I was talking to another guy in the classroom about bow hunting about using bows and arrows and a woman in the class who I think I think she just didn't know what conversations think she broke in half way and she she just acted that she said like excuse me like she was behaving as if I was presenting a stereotype that all create a jib way people use bows and arrows I remember i said to her simply um you know my ancestors in europe used bows and arrows also it's we were actually we were just having a conversation about archery you know had nothing to do with the desi the classroom was obviously of predominantly native ancestry the context were having this discussion it but wasn't that wasn't the point we weren't actually having a political conversation at that moment but you know the reality is we do share globally we do really share one heritage in that sense every civilization on earth its heritage is based on animal exploitation and war and fear and bows and arrows and you know the actual you know the animal sinew being cut out to make the bowstring you know before modern technology and here in Asia you know the actual bow itself the compound bow was also you had to kill animals to make the bow even wasn't a piece of solid wood here and the whole civilization struggling to at all times have enough men skilled in archery not really for hunting but so they could fight other men here we have this terrible shared history that to some extent we all know or we're living in ignorance of and you know now we have to look ahead at the shared future because we've only got one planet in some sense we all eat from the same buffet table we all eat off the same plate and we don't even have fiction about this we don't have a Star Trek we don't have a Batman we don't we don't even have fiction imagining how the future is going to work based on the the fundamental ecological and ethical facts that we now know right III just vegans vegans lack imagination for this and globally there's this terrible paucity imagination among mediators everyone else they're basically slaves and then we eat them that's what animals are here for unless it's a pet that we have in our household right like my Rottweiler is not abused she's treated like [ __ ] royalty sure according to you right but maybe she just wants to get some dick and you won't have any male Rottweilers around a [ __ ] matter of fact is there anything more abusive than taking someone's balls off of their body well no no I guess you I guess we cut your balls off randomly eunuch exactly you're gonna thrones you're not getting it right ablution