Crimes Against Veganism: Durianrider is on Trial RIGHT NOW.

you may think there's nothing new for you to hear about this case you may think i have nothing new to share but you're wrong oh didn't this occur to you didn't it ever occur to you once that durianrider's side of the story might be worth listening to yeah yeah you're going to see some more screenshots like this later in the video you're going to hear me narrate some more of the correspondence i've had with durianrider in the last couple of years but just with this first snapshot you can see the dynamics of the conversation at a glance i'm pressing him to take responsibility for the allegations he made against me i'm pressing him to admit publicly in a youtube video that this was nothing but a bunch of lies that he made up himself and although he is being friendly in his reply to me although he is being jocular and for several years now we've managed to remain friendly and jocular with one another he's nevertheless refusing to take responsibility he's nevertheless refusing to say publicly that this is defamation pure and simple these were nothing but lies and fantasies that he made up in his own head and as i've already said in a recent video they're lies that have had devastating long-term effects for me and my life but the devastation was mutual and the devastation for him for his life for his career no doubt has been far far worse than the devastation in mind sorry to all my fans our fans man you guys looked up to us so much to make up a number off the top of my head that has no real quantitative basis i would guestimate that durianrider has lost 90 percent of his audience if you put durian rider and freely together the two of them have lost more than 90 percent of their audience but what's more significant is this they've lost the credibility they had with their audience the few people the few stragglers who still care about durianrider's opinion they don't care about it now the way they used to they were profoundly discredited by this conflict they have with me and by the way i do not depict myself as a passive victim in that conflict i was a critic of freely i was a critic of durianrider and i was much more active and muscular in that controversy than someone who's just giving uh the latest batman movie or the latest star wars movie a negative review i was engaged in a political struggle to define and redefine what the future of the vegan movement would be i can't believe that this has happened i can't believe how many people have sided with eisel mizard in this case it's just it's disgusting i can't believe that's happened i remember when i was traveling with brianna and we got so frustrated by so many people trolls i think it was just certain people with a lot of fake accounts basically coming on and saying why aren't you denouncing the acts of durianrider why aren't you making videos against assab um a seal how do you ever say his name you guys know what i'm talking about um asado biel um i'm sorry i i know that that name's really wrong but anyways basically someone who was having conflict with another youtuber making claims that person made claims just personal makeup it's like we were like why are we obligated to make a video just because you're vegan and obvious it doesn't mean i have to make videos taking my stance on everything it's like saying i'm a democrat and oh you didn't make a video saying why donald trump did this to piss you off what kind of democrat are you democrat are you here i am writing to durianrider directly in may of 2019 and i say durianrider here's an example of somebody who still believes the lies you made up about me this is a comment from just within the last few hours i'll show you that comment in one moment here you should really issue a retraction not an apology you don't need to apologize apologies are irrelevant it doesn't need to be emotional it needs to be factual i never had any sexual involvement with julia bohr i never had any sexual involvement with a bunch of unnamed women in quebec who were made up out of thin air they never existed they never had names etc you never knew anything about my sex life that's what you need to say but you see here with this example the title i've put on it is the effects of defamation last a long long time and this is something durianrider himself will now be painfully aware of some random person on reddit i've never heard of before or since says quote this dude is a major [ __ ] he was caught up in these vegan youtuber flame wars a few years back i don't know why i was watching them but it was a minor obsession and the impression i got of him was that he was condescending dishonest and made a bunch of bizarre inappropriate advances toward young vegan women definitely not a character i would trust this is the reputation durianrider created for me unfortunately i wasn't there unfortunately i wasn't following it closely and i simply wasn't aware of what's going what was going on at the time but when i found out i took a stand against this creep because obviously anyone would and if anyone's ever been in a similar situation i'm sure that they would voice the same thing they would want for that young woman young girl to be protected and so what i mean to say is that i just 100 support what harley did i love the fact that he stood up for for that girl clearly no one else was willing to do that and but that was the right thing to do that was the only right thing that should have been done i'm just amazed that he was the only one who actually stood up for her i said to you just a few minutes ago that the devastation was mutual it wasn't just my life that was devastated it wasn't just my career that was ruined oh yes durianrider's life and career was devastated certainly freelee's life and career has been devastated also but here's the thing durianrider earned his reputation i didn't the reputation i have to live with is a work of fiction made up out of thin air by nobody other than durianrider himself i have heard many lies and exaggerations and unkind half-truths said about durianrider by his ex-girlfriends i have heard defamatory mean-spirited things said about him by women whom he had slept with in real life including his ex-girlfriend freely herself not the only one the women who i supposedly had this scandalous sex life with fall into two categories one the largest one is that they never existed at all they were women made up out of doreen writer's imagination so there were no complaints about me the people i'd never met never said anything on the internet because they never existed and if you live through that period of time if you've been on facebook and on youtube and connected all the voices if you'd witnessed these allegations as they came out there was a new and different crazy story about me concocted like every couple of hours and each story kind of contradicted and was incompatible with the one before it like could i really have been simultaneously in quebec and germany and scotland while earning a university degree on the west coast of canada like there were a lot of things that just fundamentally didn't make sense and that's why it was only incredibly stupid people and incredibly mean-spirited people whoever believed these stories but guess what i've learned in the past eight years those people they greatly outnumber the intelligent well-intentioned people and that's why we have laws against defamation but here's the thing here's the thing even if what dorian ryder's ex-girlfriends said against him even if it was very unkind very unreasonable or impartially untrue those women actually were his ex-girlfriends he'd met them he'd spoken to them he'd had sex with them and they don't dispute that and he doesn't assume that they're like yeah they had a relationship in my case either the allegations concern women who never existed at all or they were women i have never met face to face and never even had sexual emails with nothing in either case it's complete fiction it's defamation so while i would easily say durianrider's life has been ruined far more than mine in his case his life was ruined as a consequence of deeds and misdeeds he'd actually done sins of omission and sins of but they were his sins they were decisions he made that have had terrible consequences for him in my case i'm dealing with the consequences of a fiction made up in the mind of durianrider i can't believe that people would be so stupid to actually pick isil it's like they would pick anyone just not harley because they have some personal grudge against harley it's just disgusting so it's just this is why vegans annoy me and then they continue by saying eating in front of a camera is not activism nick said i'm not obligated to be an activist i never call myself an activist get lost like people are really upset with me because i didn't make enough videos saying during writer did this like obviously you love him because you're not saying anything about him it's like there's lots of people that i don't agree with you know we made videos saying we don't agree with him being gay i mean saying that being gay is a choice i'm not obligated to pick apart someone on youtube for your entertainment you know this is why the vegan community is [ __ ] and a lot of people have been commenting on harley's advice specifically saying that it's crap saying that it doesn't work saying that all kinds of bad things about his advice and it's just not true there are still those of us who are out here as proof that harley's advice does work i followed it i got the results that he promises upon following the advice okay so i'm making this video because i'm just kind of really sick and tired of seeing videos of all these young girls who are like captivated and mesmerized and just following freely the banana girl blindly mostly because at one point i was one of those girls uh i bought right into her rattle for a diet i committed to it for about a year and the results were terrifying that i bought into this diet so much and believed everything that she was saying that i followed this to like a t i never even slipped up once i was perfect with this and i was at by the time i was done i was at the highest weight i've ever been in my entire life right now i'm about 153 and my lowest ever was probably about 140 and i was at 178 when i finished my bronto4 diet and i looked like someone took a straw and like put it in my body and went like i looked like like a marshmallow person it was disgusting i can't watch one more young girl go on freely the banana girls diet and gain 60 pounds and just continue to say that they believe that this is to work for them i kept getting fatter and more bloated and i was getting stretch marks on my thighs and stomach something that i had never experienced before i just watched freely's video this morning about being sick of the diet industry and i feel so good now ready to go to the gym and kill it ready to smash my smoothies in today i'm just ready i'm just ready and i'm ready to stop being depressed about not being able to fit into a size six pair of lemons time to heal it's just so goddamn long but i feel like a lot of people can feel and share my pain but at least we're doing this now right as opposed to like six months or like a year like in a year i'm sure i'll be fully healed because i i'm putting in the work right now can you see the drastic difference in my face from that video i can't believe that even though i was growing what appears to be a double chin i was still going through with this i was still steamrolling like a little engine that could i was on the rattle 4 train i'm sorry but all you're doing is maybe you're taking girls that were anorexic bulimic drug history whatever they give that up to go on rochelle 4. and all you're doing is creating girls that are vegan that now have binge eating disorder i guess i really really really am reaching out to and feel sorry for the girls that i see who are really young and they're gaining massive amounts of weight and you know people coming off of eating disorders they that's psychologically traumatizing to you know put on that amount of weight she's basically a poor man's julia bore she did the raw till four gained weight still swears by them i'm specif i'm specifically speaking of one youtuber who i started i came across who in a year gained like i mean it looks like 60 pounds on rochelle 4. it's it's astounding so you've seen this first message just a minute ago and now you're gonna see durianrider's reply quote we should do a live stream or pre-recorded interview for your channel then you can link to that discussion on the thread to be fair you did start all this by trashing me and freely and then coming to chiang mai lol you kicked the hornet's nest you did talk with julia but because she was mentally ill she blew it up more than it was to me and so did that scottish anorexic check i then believed what they were saying and [ __ ] went downhill from there for the both of us it's everybody's fault but his right in case you haven't guessed i've heard julia bore's side of the story it was on the internet while i was still in chiang mai she addressed it then and basically made this kind of lie and deception impossible and i have heard the scottish anorexic chick side of the story you can hear my interview with her on this channel he is trying to apportion blame to others when there's really nobody to blame but durianrider himself i write back very simply and very bluntly dude a lie is a lie you made up lies about me and i didn't make up lies about you i'm in bangkok currently and for the next few days he writes back how long are you going to be in thailand for we will be there in a few weeks we could even film it in a park just point out this is may of 2019 no action was ever taken no initiative was ever taken on his side he's never lifted a finger to make this right or to take responsibility in any way he followed up that short message by saying and if you find anything on the net that you want me to delete about you then let me know i'm happy to delete it i think the video that irked me the most was you did something about crohn's disease and said i never had it or something and that pissed me off because i did have years of bleed stools and have helped so many people with crohn's ibs colitis etc over the years and a video like that lowers people's faith in fruit-based vegan diets he's leaving out a few words here for digestive recovery if that makes sense i don't care if people call me a [ __ ] or whatever but when they knock information i'm just putting out there so people can get healthier stay vegan etc it gets me pissed lol you would have to have a very short memory indeed to leave this version of events but as you'll see i keep this a relatively upbeat friendly discussion in my reply quote yeah i know the video on crohn's disease was the first video from my channel you replied to however what you said about crohn's disease then before and since was entirely false on the rich role podcast you admitted you had never been diagnosed with a disease although you've made videos claiming you were diagnosed with the condition contradicting yourself and obviously lying for example you clearly didn't know what the procedure for diagnosis was whatever was wrong with you durianrider one you were never diagnosed with crohn's disease two you never cured crohn's disease and you falsely claimed both crohn's disease is an incurable illness if you had bloody diarrhea for some reason and then it stopped that is not a basis to claim that you found the cure for crohn's i talked to someone who actually has the disease and who cross-examined you on live stream and you clearly knew less about it than the average person who just reads a wikipedia article on the subject and yeah i've made videos on all this stuff including one in dialogue with that person who cross-examined you for more than two years you carried on a campaign against me calling me a pedophile calling me a sexual predator and calling me a scam artist you didn't just make threats of violence against me you claimed i was guilty of fraud a serious crime when you knew the court case was real you knew the paperwork was real etc ironically nor vegan's court case really was fake and norwegian lied about his paperwork as i've pointed out on youtube in effect i've argued in your defense in many videos now simply because it's the right thing to do you know other people in chiang mai went up to the courthouse saw the paperwork was real saw the case posted on the board and some of them even attended hearings for example joe bested and yet for about two years you carried on claiming that i was a scam artist guilty of serious financial crimes along with all the rest of it this isn't comparable to my critique of your health advice about crohn's disease it isn't the same durianrider i told the truth you lied and you went after my mom and you went after my ex-wife and you probably impacted my child custody situation with my daughter for years to come it's not the same harley you can go back and watch that video again in which i prove you lied about crohn's disease just by quoting what you said to ritual we're only in bangkok for about seven more days we won't be here at the same time i now live in taiwan if you can call it a life and durianrider replies your ex-wife contacted me if my memory serves right you pissed me man so you can't blame me for going along with her ha ha this is a common pattern everything is somebody else's fault he blames the anorexic girl in scotland he blames julia boar he blames my ex-wife even and the reality is it was him it was durianrider himself who showed the initiative who created this whole conflict this whole situation and then for years he kept doubling down on his lies making everything worse and worse quote one thing i've learned from these last few years is if someone tries to cloak chase or attack etc it is best i just ignore it as opposed to throwing it back and making the situation worse for everyone i'm pretty sure i don't have any negative content about you still up but like i said i'm happy to delete anything you don't like as you have now become a voice of reason for a few things and i do appreciate that so credit is due how is taiwan compared to thailand so in some ways in the passage of a few years of pressing durianrider on this issue we made progress and in some ways we did not harley's been nothing but a positive influence in my life he's been truthful he's been of good intentions and that is not something that i can say about this person who's online who goes by the name of isil mazzart whose real name is benjamin lord dexter whatever and uh and i am just disgusted by all of the people who i know were so heavily influenced by harley and his advice who took everything they could from harley who have immigrated onto supporting this man who wants to essentially destroy harley for who he is online and what he has like do you have no concern for what is right and what is wrong do you have no moral guidance in you how can you pick someone who is an obvious bully who threatens with violence who cannot even take the responsibility of rearing a child of treating a woman the right way who's actually banned from seeing his wife and child who doesn't pay child support like how can you stand for someone like that how can you stand with someone like that is disgusting this man is disgusting [Music] i absolutely stand by what harley did and what he said about him i'm absolutely disgusted at the fact that nobody else had stood up for the 16 year old girl who was being targeted by this creep isil mazzard last year at harley's festival not everyone is an idiot even in this intellectually dismal context of these allegations and counter-allegations being made in a youtube comment section below a video this stupid you will find there are some people lining up to point out the obvious facts of the case and insist on the difference between right and wrong somebody called spicy dragoon writes in and says the cognitive distance of comments like yours never fails to amaze me and this is why justice is so difficult whether or not you find isil mazar pompous or arrogant is beside the point durianrider accused him of being a pedophile it can be proven that those allegations are false despite that fact to this day durianrider has consistently made those allegations the next crime is that whilst islamizard was in chiang mai during writer and his followers threatened him with violence and said that people were out looking for him the first accusation without evidence is known as libel libel meaning as defined by google a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation a written defamation if memory serves me isil mazard is a teacher which means that an accusation like that by someone with a significant online following can cause him to lose his job it can also cause him problems with his personal life so as a massage has an obligation to defend himself if he has issues with his ex-wife that's nothing at all to do with people online or durianrider making up these libelous allegations against me here's the thing you can take one of two attitudes towards this one is kind of passive and defensive you can say as he puts it here that you have to defend yourself and the other is more active and assertive you can look i don't have to defend myself i could sweep this under the rug ignore it forget about it and move on with my life i'm choosing to stand up and do the right thing because it's the right thing to do i've known women personally who were victims of rape and they had to make the decision were they going to let this become a multi-year long legal battle were they going to stand up and press charges against their rapist or were they going to sweep it under the rug forget about it and get on with their own lives that might be more convenient for them they might be able to just withstand the psychological damage and get on with their lives you know what the problem is the right thing to do is to stand up and put that guy behind bars even if you don't have any hurt feelings even if the only point is to prevent someone else from becoming his next victim if you look at the litany of criminal allegations against donald trump you have to ask the question what if someone at some point had stood up and done the right thing just because it was the right thing to do and i don't just mean the sexual allegations against donald trump some of which seem to be [ __ ] but several of those allegations i've investigated and they seem to be very substantive seem to be really serious crimes linked to donald trump's sex life that could have been taken to court that could have been made to change his life forever and thus at this point changed the lives of everybody on planet earth forever if someone had stood up tayden mccord done everything just because of the right thing to do there were also economic crimes they've been amazing examples of misconduct throughout the life of donald trump if you take this defensive attitude that you have to go to court you have to make just just just to defend yourself all right i actually think that's a fundamentally passive and evil view to take of questions of justice and injustice i stood up for myself because i knew a whole lot of people who couldn't i stood up and did the right thing for other victims i already knew people who already had been victimized by freelandic i stood up because i'd seen the damage they'd already done and i stood up to prevent more damage being done in the future and whether or not i win this court case whether or not this criminal trial finally ends with durianrider being handed a jail sentence in thailand in that sense by standing up on a point of principle i won and if someone 10 years ago 20 years ago had stood up and put donald trump in prison okay maybe he would have gone to prison for six months and maybe he would have gone to prison for six years all right think about the later knock-on consequences politically for the leadership of donald trump that's the sense in which i'm taking a stand here yeah sure it's partly to defend myself it's partly to defend or to avenge the other victims involved here but as i've said again and again i don't see myself as a passive victim i see myself as someone who's actively engaged in a political struggle to define and redefine what the future of the vegan movement should be but what you don't see is the nights where i cry myself to sleep or the intense loneliness that i feel or times where i just feel like giving up i am struggling and really what what you see online is not i i mean i don't want to say it's not real because it's still me it's authentic i i never lie in what i put online but of course i only show the good parts sorry to all my fans you guys looked up to us so much i feel like with that india i'm so sorry oh oh remember when those people were getting shot in the street where was that belarus is that how you pronounce it yeah for a short time everyone in the world seemed to care about the future of democracy in belarus and just a few months later it seems impossible to jilt them out of their indifference on exactly the same issue oh oh oh uh democracy in hong kong yeah wait wasn't there some kind of revolution in myanmar didn't i see some footage of people being shot dead in the streets by yeah funny how that works there's a moment in time in which it's possible to raise millions of dollars in donations or something and then there are years there are decades in which it's impossible to push people out of their position of complacency of indifference and to say this really matters you can really make a difference here and now i'm in that kind of impossible position i'm asking you to care i'm asking you to support this court case even if the only thing you do is take the link to this video copy it paste it and post it on your twitter post it on facebook post it on reddit to one of those horrible vegan forums where people still believe those lies about me and people still repeat those lies about me to challenge those lies and let people see the human reality of the consequences that i'm still dealing with but yes there is a link in the description below this video there's a link to a fundraiser and if you can donate ten dollars if you can donate a hundred dollars to contribute to the airplane ticket i'm gonna have to buy to fly to chiang mai and back to continue this court case and take it to its conclusion i really would appreciate it and i've got to tell you sincerely i don't just think you're helping me and i don't just think you're harming durianrider freely or the now debunked and nearly forgotten raw till 4 cult that for a few short years seemed like the most momentous and influential aspect of the vegan movement i think that if you support this video by sharing the link or by donating to the fundraiser in a really meaningful sense you're participating in a dialogue in a debate in a discussion about what the future of veganism is supposed to be and what the future of civil discourse on the internet on youtube it's supposed to be because i'll tell you something one of the strangest ironies of this situation is that if you make a list of all the topics i agree with during durianrider on it's much much longer than the list of topics we happen to disagree about if he and i had ever done a podcast or a roundtable discussion we could have talked for hours just about the things we agree about just about the things that we are both activists and advocates for positively where we agree 90 or 100 percent on those issues but was it possible for me to challenge this guy and for me to challenge his cult-like following on the internet on those few issues where we disagreed issues although few in number that i think were tremendously important ethically politically and even in terms of diet and weight loss and health the whole gamut those few issues that i thought were important i couldn't challenge him without risking my reputation and in a bizarre sense risking my life because yeah although i'm not afraid for my life i did have to deal with death threats i did have to deal with threats of violence i did have to deal with people writing to me saying i was going to get physically captured and dragged to the police station if not just beaten to a pulp in the streets of thailand and when i got that challenge and this is why i stood up knowing that others couldn't and knowing that others wouldn't what i said back was where do you want to meet me i said you can meet me at the train station you can meet me at the police station you can meet me at the boxing ring oh oh that's what it's going to be like whether it's a legal battle or a physical one i said okay bring it because i didn't come here to run away from conflict i came here to end it the future of the vegan movement is not freely and it's not durianrider the future of the vegan movement is you [Music] you