Tattoos, Lies & Lifestyle Activism (vegan / vegans / veganism)
04 July 2016 [link youtube]
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the first mistake you've made is in
saying this is all just meaningless drama it's not this is very serious and on some level I think if you pause to reflect how you would feel if you were in my position you know this is serious you and Joe best both are people who have totally failed to take a moral stand on this issue which is not meaningless drama it is a really important issue you know the threats of violence the defamation calling someone a pedophile or a child-size better it's if this is not many let me believe me I understand in this video when you say you just wanted to keep your distance from Durham writer of nothing do throw I completely sympathize I mean ninety percent of what during writer puts out is meaningless drama you may not remember it but when you made a video angrily denouncing me because I pointed out that the translation of your tattoo was incorrect I made a very friendly video and reply and I made that video partly to help you feel better hey what up this video is going to talk briefly about one amusing case of an incorrectly translated tattoo and then I'm going to speak briefly on my experience with translations of tattoos and some other languages because I've studied so many different languages and I've lived in so many odd parts of the world and I'm put in there like a link to my video my my vegan story video and this guy comments on it I have my tattoo exposed and it was asking me what the meaning was supposed to be and he was going on about our if in all these various translations that he'd studied it could mean this or it could mean that what what does it mean I I got an offended response here on YouTube from a guy whom I was trying to help out by alerting him to the fact that his Chinese tattoo did not say what he thought it said now this is a bit of a cultural phenomenon there's a blog called handsy s'matter Hanzus matter but anyway I'll have to spell out that link for you guys to find it probably but there were different that collect examples of people who pay for a tattoo and they asked for one thing but got another thing and whenever there's a language barrier involved things can go horribly wrong with tattoos and this is especially common these days with both Chinese and Japanese now I have a colleague who works on Sanskrit and Sanskrit also has its own kind of hilarious stories and hilarious websites devoted to this subject of people who don't know the language paying money to get a tattoo in the language because they think it has some special symbolic significance or what have you so anyway uh the situation just a couple days ago was that this guy had an image himself up with this Chinese tattoo and the thing isn't that it made no sense at all it looked like it was trying to make sense that's often the case with a mistranslation singing are you was he trying to say like a hundred percent like I'm a hundred percent or I'm gonna go I'm gonna give it a hundred or I want a hundred was what you know what was the tattoo trying to get at and anyway so road to the guy said look you know or was it that he was trying to phonetically get the name of the country Brazil like what you know you're just thinking through these different possibilities or you know is it an idiom but they only gave him half of the phrase and not the you know like a four character idiom so you're just thinking of these different possibilities and white one L just so like I wasn't really getting a good vibe off him so I just I just simply said back look if I had a penny for every time someone had told me that they knew what the translation of it was and it was something different to what I for I'd be rich I was looking at his tattoo I'm just looking up in the dictionary and I wrote to one Chinese friend of mine and said look you know can you make sense out of it anyway and then i wrote the guy on facebook and he wrote back at first with the comment that basically indicated he doesn't care what it really says he's had with the tattoo and that's that well yeah you know but i'm trying to figure it out and I had some more suggestions like this like we thinking about the country Brazil was it this thing was that thing and he that sent me a link to a video in which he tells the whole story of how he got this tattoo his parents went to Hong Kong and they were told a certain story about this that this was the meaning of this is the sound and you know feel bad for the guy but what his parents were told was a hundred percent wrong what they were told but the meaning of the Chinese characters was wrong and also what they were told about the sound the phonetic significance of the characters was false I couldn't really be bothered with messaging him back anymore so I just sent a link to the video that I made where I explain what my tattoos men and then he posted back this long response same how my parents had been lied to and that wasn't the translation so I wrote back to tell Manson look I'm sorry to tell you but what you've got written on your skin doesn't make sense at any language and the sound isn't what you think it is and I said but the good news is the actual characters used they can be transformed to make another phrase that makes sense you know so when you talk about making a cover-up tattoo you could add some words after it or some words before it you could figure something out and this is the part he really misunderstood I was trying to explain to him that one of the characters he has is pretty much meaningless in modern Chinese but it is used phonetically for certain types of foreign sounds so the example I gave him and he misunderstood this and this is maybe why so set I said look you knows this is a phonetic symbol and it's in the Chinese word for fascism now he has misremembered this in his mind got confused he thought I was warning him that his tattoo actually had the meaning fascism but no it was an example of one of the foreign sound so you know this kind of sound in fascism they choose to transcribe that into Chinese with this symbol the one translation that it could be was they said fascism and he suggested that I get it covered up to it shut I'll after that and I responded well now you know I've never get get it covered up because anyone who's ever had a tattoo could tell you it doesn't matter what the tattoo means now it's what it meant at the time when you got it so they use it in a number of other words that have nothing in common in terms of meaning it's just phonetic you see I'm rocking a long old peaceful happy in my reality and then you're coming along bringing all of this oh you're tan who says fascism I'll suggest you should get it covered up down my face of that stuff nobody wants to hear that get back to your activism stuff so look I understand the guy felt offended as heartbroken it's overstating it say yeah that's our program but I understand he felt frustrated with me because I was the bringer of bad news in telling him that his tattoo does not mean what he thinks it means but of course the other hand he's also playing with a little bit of cognitive dissonance because he's saying repeatedly that he doesn't care about what the tattoo means objectively he only cares about what it means to him subjectively so look that's all I can do for you I looked it up in the dictionary because I found an interesting I asked one Chinese friend about it I tried to figure out what it meant I tried to warn you but both what it means and what it sounds like the meaning is not linked to fascism that's just an example of how the character is now used in modern Chinese because it is mostly used as a phonetic character not for its meaning so hey it is what it is look Chinese is in some ways the last and the least of the languages I've studied there were no false claims about my level of ability in Chinese on this YouTube channel on my blog in any of my publication you can look through what I've managed to do living around Chinese in and around the Chinese language but you know poly is the ancient scriptural language used for terrell out of buddhism and i had a lot of experiences of encountering people who sometimes had tattoos that were incorrect that we're trying to evoke the cultural history of tera vaada Buddhism but then also sometimes you meet people at tattoos that were complete correct but you'd wonder man what does this mean to you I bumped into a French guy on the banks of the Mekong River and he had an elaborate traditional Cambodian poly tattoo a full magical diagram tattoo that went right up to his neck and covered his whole upper chest CZ elaborate little magical squiggles that are broken pally they're written in this language I studied and like I can't say it's incorrect he went to a tattoo artist who really is part of that tradition but like this guy I you know I talked him a little bit he's not a Buddhist he doesn't believe in this stuff he doesn't understand what symbols means and like you're going to job interviews with this written on your neck whoa you know that blows my mind however in his case when you get a tattoo in an obscure language with its Cambodian or pally or in this case a combination of Cambodia nampalli to understand it that to you need to both no written Cambodian and the underlying language pally he's not going to bump into a lot of people who know what his tattoo means any better than he does there are millions and millions of people by contrast who can read the chinese language all over the world so if you've got a tattoo in chinese that doesn't make sense well it means something you don't think it means it's a problem and you know if you feel that you're happy with your tattoo and you don't want to change it that's one thing in terms of how Chinese people will regard you or anyone with a little bit of an education Chinese which includes me I'm level one as a Chinese student to just half a step up from level zero let me tell you uh but just with the bits and piece of the language I know from the work I've done when I see that tattoo right away I'm thinking what so you got to think about that side of it too um not everything in life is dream and you can imagine how you might react if you met someone who had something you had a large prominent tattoo that was written in English but the English didn't quite make sense and the more you looked at it the less sense it made and you then asked a friend does that see what I think it says is what it is feeling negative energy from your videos I've got a real issue with people that leave me with it with a sour taste in my mouth I try to avoid those people like the plague you not responding to my last comment deleting all your comments ice left a sour taste Oh in one of my songs shame review hi Brett this is a video made as a communication between myself and print rawlings and Brett I hope this clarifies things between us how this avoids hostility and confusion between us Brad I do not you know where to begin it's too bad we didn't meet up or exchange some kind words when we were both in Chiang Mai you have over interpreted what happened and that's okay I sympathize all that happened from my perspective was that I kind of sent you a friendship gesture via Jake I'm you know and when you said you didn't want to talk or when it surprised you or to have you I just like yeah well it's you know at least that's something positive a Senate majesté you're saying hey you know if you want to talk we can talk and you know at least that's something positive that's it that's a move in the right direction but I didn't want to make you uncomfortable I didn't want to force the issue and I had nothing to prove I mean I didn't go there with an agenda at oh you know convert Brett Rowling's to being a fan of the the abella sale channel so you know it's just a friendly gesture and that said now in retrospect looking at the video you just made now I mean I see it meant a lot to you and a sense that's good but now you know you've become disillusioned or angry and you're very confused about why your name appeared in my own video recently the way that it did I understand that and I've been willing again again even with freely to apologize just to make people feel better you may not remember it but when you made a video angrily denouncing me because I pointed out that the translation of your tattoo was incorrect um I made a very friendly video in reply and I made that video partly to help you feel better you know and everyone who's seen the video i made thought it was friendly and that was being helpful what have you so you know being a nice guy is one thing and you and I seem to have got our wires crossed I hate that phrase Bo getting your wires crossed there's been miscommunication on Stella t between us largely due to misinterpretation or over interpretation being a nice guy is one thing hard questions of right and wrong morally or another okay I understand that you got upset about your tattoo there are lots of things you get upset about in the internet today i understand i'm going to talk about in just a minute i understand you got upset that i mention your name in that video however that is in no way comparable to the controversy that's unfolding with durianrider accusing me of being a sexual predator with during writer accusing me now of being a wife beater you know criminal allegations being made against people doing right or hit him saying again you've said you said in the video that you haven't watched any of the stuff so you don't know but during writer saying that I should be arrested that a group of people should beat me up and dragged me to the police station etc so all of that I mean I think you'll agree it's just fine but that is in a totally different level a totally different categories which talking about I think the first mistake you made in this video you've just put up izel mazhar it in mini eyes lak a vegan cheetah the first mistake you've made is in saying this is all just meaningless drama it's not this is very serious and on some level I think if you pause to reflect how you would feel if you were in my position you know this is serious you know that like when when cheetah is asking you to take a stand to make a moral statement to not just kind of support durianrider but to really say look there's a line this is over the line that this is not meaningless trim this is not like a fight over whether or not sna o'neill wears too much makeup you know in the past during writer said offensive things about SNL Neil but that's not what's going on here this is something much more serious now again even if there was no even who was not my fault at all I'd be happy to apologize to you just because your feelings are hurt and that's the kind of guy I am again the apology to freely video and think back to your own experience with the tattoo you don't give me a lot of credit for that but the context for this you say I think somewhat you know misleadingly in this video that you used to be a supporter of mine now apparently that's in reference to one comment you made on one video that of course I hadn't seen but bread come on be real be honest with yourself here okay for about a year since you and I had our tattoo discussion you have been putting in the time and effort to denounce me on the internet again and again alongside vegan revolution you two guys put in so much time and energy doing that that most time I see your comments right next to each other there will be some video posted and you and vegan revolution both will be there saying that I'm a terrible human being and you agree with each other so you are in the class of people like vegan revolution who have displayed and almost obsessive hatred with me hatred of me on the internet and I've never seen you evaluating the content of what I had to say or respond to the substance would ever say I have seen you consistently over time hating me as a person and that's okay like you're allowed to and I don't I don't even resent it and that's why I reached out to you through through Jacobs and Sheamus I don't you know if you want if you want to talk we can talk so again you seem to give me no credit for that and you seem to not see this controversy in the context of your own actions I'm not making this I'm really in making this video is to make you feel better and clarify with situation is but I do hope you have a maturity to look at that understand that you know it's just not the case that you were a supporter of mine until I mention your name this video now what did I actually say about you in the video i put you in the same category as joe best and to me you are now i don't think you're a part of a conspiracy i don't think Joe bestest part of against see I understand how you misunderstood that part of the video it's an unscripted spontaneous video and it's very easy to misinterpret that paragraph specifically so you know my art goes out to you and again I'm not blaming you unreasonably however in what sense would I from my perspective put you in the same category as Joe best you and Joe best both have made videos denouncing me you and Joe best both have made comments all over the internet saying I'm a terrible person you and Joe best both live in Chiang Mai now you and Joe best both are people who have totally failed to take a moral stand on this issue which is not meaningless drama it is a really important issue you know the threats of violence the defamation calling someone a pedophile or a child's life better it's if this is not many let me believe me I understand in this video when you say you just wanted to keep your distance from during writer of nothing to do with Rome I completely sympathize I mean ninety percent of what during writer puts out is meaningless drama like I i never made a video about SNL neil and you know there's so much crap you know whatever it is i know who is he yelling at now for wearing too much makeup or who is he yelling at for being fat or whatever he's constantly creating meaningless drama i completely agree with that however this incident you may not have lived into it this is not meaningless drama the vegan cheetah is actually quite right to say to you that you as someone living in chiang mai who has been considered a supporter of during writer and someone who hates me as not baseless I'm sorry but it is good reason for everyone know the same with you and vegan revolution you know in same with you and Joe best and everyone knows you know that you've been publicly hating on the Sun there is good reason for people to like cheetah to turn to you and just say hey man this is your chance to take a stand on an issue of right and wrong okay that's very different from the issue of being a nice guy at the end of this video you may not think I'm a nice guy yeah I'm not trying to convince you that I'm a nice guy okay I'm sorry that your feelings were hurt I'm sorry that you resent being named in that video how do you think I feel more importantly how would you feel if you were in my situation how would you feel if it was you that was getting denounced by Jeremiah this will do it this way how would you feel if it was you who was treated the way even Jacobs has matured shakings asthma treatment I've been treated much worse than J games for obvious reasons okay really ask yourself that question and now if if we've checked traded positions how would you feel watching that video you've just made yourself you know where you say you open by saying this is all just meaningless drama and that you're too good to get involved well you're not Brett you've been involved you've been involved for over a year and your involvement has been negative I'm sorry if you don't see it the way if you have em need you like you really forget but yes you have been there alongside um vegan revolution and Joe best at both in the fact you have me now two videos that i know of denouncing me in video form and you've made innumerable written comments denouncing me okay so yeah that's the reality of the situation when I win and yeah it makes sense that people including cheetah but not only she would turn to you and say hey look before it was just fun and games but now that it's a real issue a real issue of right and wrong where do you stand and they're looking for you to do the right thing and so far you haven't done that now again I hope you look at the video you've already made you reconsider what you've done because that video it is understandably self-centered and that's okay you can talk about your feelings talk about this stuff but the issue here is not my saying that you're part of a conspiracy which are not and that is not what i was saying and I'm sorry I understand why you misinterpreted that but that's not what I have to say it's not what I had to say then it's not what I have to say now okay but real people do real things bread okay this is a real conflict and it is in our community there's that word all right this doesn't just impact me it impacts all of us and I think in a sense you should be flattered that people care enough about you and care enough about your opinion that they're demanding that you take a stand because you know there are a thousand other you know small vegan youtubers some of whom are eager to take a stand some aren't where nobody's looking at them for their opinion and their on the contrary they're struggling to be heard so Brett people are looking to you there are people in Chiang Mai you care about you the ropes some people around the world the care about you in your opinion and what they need she hear from you is not izel mazhar has a crazy conspiracy theory it's not that you're so mad that your name was brought into it because dude your name has been in it and you put your name in it with me and you know you have in your own video hating on me and everything else you know you put your name into this collision so did Joe best so did the revolution you can't pretend that all right you know and they don't need to hear you know don't need to hear exactly what you've said so look I hope you don't think this is a terrible approach Brett this is about right and wrong I wasn't really getting a good vibe off him feel a negative energy from your videos I've got a real issue with people that leave me with it with a sour taste in my mouth
saying this is all just meaningless drama it's not this is very serious and on some level I think if you pause to reflect how you would feel if you were in my position you know this is serious you and Joe best both are people who have totally failed to take a moral stand on this issue which is not meaningless drama it is a really important issue you know the threats of violence the defamation calling someone a pedophile or a child-size better it's if this is not many let me believe me I understand in this video when you say you just wanted to keep your distance from Durham writer of nothing do throw I completely sympathize I mean ninety percent of what during writer puts out is meaningless drama you may not remember it but when you made a video angrily denouncing me because I pointed out that the translation of your tattoo was incorrect I made a very friendly video and reply and I made that video partly to help you feel better hey what up this video is going to talk briefly about one amusing case of an incorrectly translated tattoo and then I'm going to speak briefly on my experience with translations of tattoos and some other languages because I've studied so many different languages and I've lived in so many odd parts of the world and I'm put in there like a link to my video my my vegan story video and this guy comments on it I have my tattoo exposed and it was asking me what the meaning was supposed to be and he was going on about our if in all these various translations that he'd studied it could mean this or it could mean that what what does it mean I I got an offended response here on YouTube from a guy whom I was trying to help out by alerting him to the fact that his Chinese tattoo did not say what he thought it said now this is a bit of a cultural phenomenon there's a blog called handsy s'matter Hanzus matter but anyway I'll have to spell out that link for you guys to find it probably but there were different that collect examples of people who pay for a tattoo and they asked for one thing but got another thing and whenever there's a language barrier involved things can go horribly wrong with tattoos and this is especially common these days with both Chinese and Japanese now I have a colleague who works on Sanskrit and Sanskrit also has its own kind of hilarious stories and hilarious websites devoted to this subject of people who don't know the language paying money to get a tattoo in the language because they think it has some special symbolic significance or what have you so anyway uh the situation just a couple days ago was that this guy had an image himself up with this Chinese tattoo and the thing isn't that it made no sense at all it looked like it was trying to make sense that's often the case with a mistranslation singing are you was he trying to say like a hundred percent like I'm a hundred percent or I'm gonna go I'm gonna give it a hundred or I want a hundred was what you know what was the tattoo trying to get at and anyway so road to the guy said look you know or was it that he was trying to phonetically get the name of the country Brazil like what you know you're just thinking through these different possibilities or you know is it an idiom but they only gave him half of the phrase and not the you know like a four character idiom so you're just thinking of these different possibilities and white one L just so like I wasn't really getting a good vibe off him so I just I just simply said back look if I had a penny for every time someone had told me that they knew what the translation of it was and it was something different to what I for I'd be rich I was looking at his tattoo I'm just looking up in the dictionary and I wrote to one Chinese friend of mine and said look you know can you make sense out of it anyway and then i wrote the guy on facebook and he wrote back at first with the comment that basically indicated he doesn't care what it really says he's had with the tattoo and that's that well yeah you know but i'm trying to figure it out and I had some more suggestions like this like we thinking about the country Brazil was it this thing was that thing and he that sent me a link to a video in which he tells the whole story of how he got this tattoo his parents went to Hong Kong and they were told a certain story about this that this was the meaning of this is the sound and you know feel bad for the guy but what his parents were told was a hundred percent wrong what they were told but the meaning of the Chinese characters was wrong and also what they were told about the sound the phonetic significance of the characters was false I couldn't really be bothered with messaging him back anymore so I just sent a link to the video that I made where I explain what my tattoos men and then he posted back this long response same how my parents had been lied to and that wasn't the translation so I wrote back to tell Manson look I'm sorry to tell you but what you've got written on your skin doesn't make sense at any language and the sound isn't what you think it is and I said but the good news is the actual characters used they can be transformed to make another phrase that makes sense you know so when you talk about making a cover-up tattoo you could add some words after it or some words before it you could figure something out and this is the part he really misunderstood I was trying to explain to him that one of the characters he has is pretty much meaningless in modern Chinese but it is used phonetically for certain types of foreign sounds so the example I gave him and he misunderstood this and this is maybe why so set I said look you knows this is a phonetic symbol and it's in the Chinese word for fascism now he has misremembered this in his mind got confused he thought I was warning him that his tattoo actually had the meaning fascism but no it was an example of one of the foreign sound so you know this kind of sound in fascism they choose to transcribe that into Chinese with this symbol the one translation that it could be was they said fascism and he suggested that I get it covered up to it shut I'll after that and I responded well now you know I've never get get it covered up because anyone who's ever had a tattoo could tell you it doesn't matter what the tattoo means now it's what it meant at the time when you got it so they use it in a number of other words that have nothing in common in terms of meaning it's just phonetic you see I'm rocking a long old peaceful happy in my reality and then you're coming along bringing all of this oh you're tan who says fascism I'll suggest you should get it covered up down my face of that stuff nobody wants to hear that get back to your activism stuff so look I understand the guy felt offended as heartbroken it's overstating it say yeah that's our program but I understand he felt frustrated with me because I was the bringer of bad news in telling him that his tattoo does not mean what he thinks it means but of course the other hand he's also playing with a little bit of cognitive dissonance because he's saying repeatedly that he doesn't care about what the tattoo means objectively he only cares about what it means to him subjectively so look that's all I can do for you I looked it up in the dictionary because I found an interesting I asked one Chinese friend about it I tried to figure out what it meant I tried to warn you but both what it means and what it sounds like the meaning is not linked to fascism that's just an example of how the character is now used in modern Chinese because it is mostly used as a phonetic character not for its meaning so hey it is what it is look Chinese is in some ways the last and the least of the languages I've studied there were no false claims about my level of ability in Chinese on this YouTube channel on my blog in any of my publication you can look through what I've managed to do living around Chinese in and around the Chinese language but you know poly is the ancient scriptural language used for terrell out of buddhism and i had a lot of experiences of encountering people who sometimes had tattoos that were incorrect that we're trying to evoke the cultural history of tera vaada Buddhism but then also sometimes you meet people at tattoos that were complete correct but you'd wonder man what does this mean to you I bumped into a French guy on the banks of the Mekong River and he had an elaborate traditional Cambodian poly tattoo a full magical diagram tattoo that went right up to his neck and covered his whole upper chest CZ elaborate little magical squiggles that are broken pally they're written in this language I studied and like I can't say it's incorrect he went to a tattoo artist who really is part of that tradition but like this guy I you know I talked him a little bit he's not a Buddhist he doesn't believe in this stuff he doesn't understand what symbols means and like you're going to job interviews with this written on your neck whoa you know that blows my mind however in his case when you get a tattoo in an obscure language with its Cambodian or pally or in this case a combination of Cambodia nampalli to understand it that to you need to both no written Cambodian and the underlying language pally he's not going to bump into a lot of people who know what his tattoo means any better than he does there are millions and millions of people by contrast who can read the chinese language all over the world so if you've got a tattoo in chinese that doesn't make sense well it means something you don't think it means it's a problem and you know if you feel that you're happy with your tattoo and you don't want to change it that's one thing in terms of how Chinese people will regard you or anyone with a little bit of an education Chinese which includes me I'm level one as a Chinese student to just half a step up from level zero let me tell you uh but just with the bits and piece of the language I know from the work I've done when I see that tattoo right away I'm thinking what so you got to think about that side of it too um not everything in life is dream and you can imagine how you might react if you met someone who had something you had a large prominent tattoo that was written in English but the English didn't quite make sense and the more you looked at it the less sense it made and you then asked a friend does that see what I think it says is what it is feeling negative energy from your videos I've got a real issue with people that leave me with it with a sour taste in my mouth I try to avoid those people like the plague you not responding to my last comment deleting all your comments ice left a sour taste Oh in one of my songs shame review hi Brett this is a video made as a communication between myself and print rawlings and Brett I hope this clarifies things between us how this avoids hostility and confusion between us Brad I do not you know where to begin it's too bad we didn't meet up or exchange some kind words when we were both in Chiang Mai you have over interpreted what happened and that's okay I sympathize all that happened from my perspective was that I kind of sent you a friendship gesture via Jake I'm you know and when you said you didn't want to talk or when it surprised you or to have you I just like yeah well it's you know at least that's something positive a Senate majesté you're saying hey you know if you want to talk we can talk and you know at least that's something positive that's it that's a move in the right direction but I didn't want to make you uncomfortable I didn't want to force the issue and I had nothing to prove I mean I didn't go there with an agenda at oh you know convert Brett Rowling's to being a fan of the the abella sale channel so you know it's just a friendly gesture and that said now in retrospect looking at the video you just made now I mean I see it meant a lot to you and a sense that's good but now you know you've become disillusioned or angry and you're very confused about why your name appeared in my own video recently the way that it did I understand that and I've been willing again again even with freely to apologize just to make people feel better you may not remember it but when you made a video angrily denouncing me because I pointed out that the translation of your tattoo was incorrect um I made a very friendly video in reply and I made that video partly to help you feel better you know and everyone who's seen the video i made thought it was friendly and that was being helpful what have you so you know being a nice guy is one thing and you and I seem to have got our wires crossed I hate that phrase Bo getting your wires crossed there's been miscommunication on Stella t between us largely due to misinterpretation or over interpretation being a nice guy is one thing hard questions of right and wrong morally or another okay I understand that you got upset about your tattoo there are lots of things you get upset about in the internet today i understand i'm going to talk about in just a minute i understand you got upset that i mention your name in that video however that is in no way comparable to the controversy that's unfolding with durianrider accusing me of being a sexual predator with during writer accusing me now of being a wife beater you know criminal allegations being made against people doing right or hit him saying again you've said you said in the video that you haven't watched any of the stuff so you don't know but during writer saying that I should be arrested that a group of people should beat me up and dragged me to the police station etc so all of that I mean I think you'll agree it's just fine but that is in a totally different level a totally different categories which talking about I think the first mistake you made in this video you've just put up izel mazhar it in mini eyes lak a vegan cheetah the first mistake you've made is in saying this is all just meaningless drama it's not this is very serious and on some level I think if you pause to reflect how you would feel if you were in my position you know this is serious you know that like when when cheetah is asking you to take a stand to make a moral statement to not just kind of support durianrider but to really say look there's a line this is over the line that this is not meaningless trim this is not like a fight over whether or not sna o'neill wears too much makeup you know in the past during writer said offensive things about SNL Neil but that's not what's going on here this is something much more serious now again even if there was no even who was not my fault at all I'd be happy to apologize to you just because your feelings are hurt and that's the kind of guy I am again the apology to freely video and think back to your own experience with the tattoo you don't give me a lot of credit for that but the context for this you say I think somewhat you know misleadingly in this video that you used to be a supporter of mine now apparently that's in reference to one comment you made on one video that of course I hadn't seen but bread come on be real be honest with yourself here okay for about a year since you and I had our tattoo discussion you have been putting in the time and effort to denounce me on the internet again and again alongside vegan revolution you two guys put in so much time and energy doing that that most time I see your comments right next to each other there will be some video posted and you and vegan revolution both will be there saying that I'm a terrible human being and you agree with each other so you are in the class of people like vegan revolution who have displayed and almost obsessive hatred with me hatred of me on the internet and I've never seen you evaluating the content of what I had to say or respond to the substance would ever say I have seen you consistently over time hating me as a person and that's okay like you're allowed to and I don't I don't even resent it and that's why I reached out to you through through Jacobs and Sheamus I don't you know if you want if you want to talk we can talk so again you seem to give me no credit for that and you seem to not see this controversy in the context of your own actions I'm not making this I'm really in making this video is to make you feel better and clarify with situation is but I do hope you have a maturity to look at that understand that you know it's just not the case that you were a supporter of mine until I mention your name this video now what did I actually say about you in the video i put you in the same category as joe best and to me you are now i don't think you're a part of a conspiracy i don't think Joe bestest part of against see I understand how you misunderstood that part of the video it's an unscripted spontaneous video and it's very easy to misinterpret that paragraph specifically so you know my art goes out to you and again I'm not blaming you unreasonably however in what sense would I from my perspective put you in the same category as Joe best you and Joe best both have made videos denouncing me you and Joe best both have made comments all over the internet saying I'm a terrible person you and Joe best both live in Chiang Mai now you and Joe best both are people who have totally failed to take a moral stand on this issue which is not meaningless drama it is a really important issue you know the threats of violence the defamation calling someone a pedophile or a child's life better it's if this is not many let me believe me I understand in this video when you say you just wanted to keep your distance from during writer of nothing to do with Rome I completely sympathize I mean ninety percent of what during writer puts out is meaningless drama like I i never made a video about SNL neil and you know there's so much crap you know whatever it is i know who is he yelling at now for wearing too much makeup or who is he yelling at for being fat or whatever he's constantly creating meaningless drama i completely agree with that however this incident you may not have lived into it this is not meaningless drama the vegan cheetah is actually quite right to say to you that you as someone living in chiang mai who has been considered a supporter of during writer and someone who hates me as not baseless I'm sorry but it is good reason for everyone know the same with you and vegan revolution you know in same with you and Joe best and everyone knows you know that you've been publicly hating on the Sun there is good reason for people to like cheetah to turn to you and just say hey man this is your chance to take a stand on an issue of right and wrong okay that's very different from the issue of being a nice guy at the end of this video you may not think I'm a nice guy yeah I'm not trying to convince you that I'm a nice guy okay I'm sorry that your feelings were hurt I'm sorry that you resent being named in that video how do you think I feel more importantly how would you feel if you were in my situation how would you feel if it was you that was getting denounced by Jeremiah this will do it this way how would you feel if it was you who was treated the way even Jacobs has matured shakings asthma treatment I've been treated much worse than J games for obvious reasons okay really ask yourself that question and now if if we've checked traded positions how would you feel watching that video you've just made yourself you know where you say you open by saying this is all just meaningless drama and that you're too good to get involved well you're not Brett you've been involved you've been involved for over a year and your involvement has been negative I'm sorry if you don't see it the way if you have em need you like you really forget but yes you have been there alongside um vegan revolution and Joe best at both in the fact you have me now two videos that i know of denouncing me in video form and you've made innumerable written comments denouncing me okay so yeah that's the reality of the situation when I win and yeah it makes sense that people including cheetah but not only she would turn to you and say hey look before it was just fun and games but now that it's a real issue a real issue of right and wrong where do you stand and they're looking for you to do the right thing and so far you haven't done that now again I hope you look at the video you've already made you reconsider what you've done because that video it is understandably self-centered and that's okay you can talk about your feelings talk about this stuff but the issue here is not my saying that you're part of a conspiracy which are not and that is not what i was saying and I'm sorry I understand why you misinterpreted that but that's not what I have to say it's not what I had to say then it's not what I have to say now okay but real people do real things bread okay this is a real conflict and it is in our community there's that word all right this doesn't just impact me it impacts all of us and I think in a sense you should be flattered that people care enough about you and care enough about your opinion that they're demanding that you take a stand because you know there are a thousand other you know small vegan youtubers some of whom are eager to take a stand some aren't where nobody's looking at them for their opinion and their on the contrary they're struggling to be heard so Brett people are looking to you there are people in Chiang Mai you care about you the ropes some people around the world the care about you in your opinion and what they need she hear from you is not izel mazhar has a crazy conspiracy theory it's not that you're so mad that your name was brought into it because dude your name has been in it and you put your name in it with me and you know you have in your own video hating on me and everything else you know you put your name into this collision so did Joe best so did the revolution you can't pretend that all right you know and they don't need to hear you know don't need to hear exactly what you've said so look I hope you don't think this is a terrible approach Brett this is about right and wrong I wasn't really getting a good vibe off him feel a negative energy from your videos I've got a real issue with people that leave me with it with a sour taste in my mouth