Stop Treating Women Like Infants: Wengie is 30, Ivanka Trump is 35.
07 December 2016 [link youtube]
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when you put women on a pedestal at the
same time you're really removing them from the sphere of serious intellectual and political discourse and there are many examples of this from my personal life from current political theater it is bizarre to me that people continue to refer to Ivanka Trump the daughter of President Donald Trump as if she were a child as if she were a teenager she's basically the same age I am she is 35 years old many people are shocked when you mentioned this I mentioned this today to my Chinese teacher we talk about politics and stuff in class like you know people talk about her like she's a teenage model and she's not she's a married woman who is 35 years old who has had an elite education who has had a string of jobs on paper that look very impressive on paper I don't really know I mean I don't really know that much about her career obviously some of that stuff may be exaggerated on her resume but with that with that having been noted this is a 35 year old woman who has been engaged in American business dealings at an elite level and is now engaged in American politics at an elite level and in international politics in the Lea level so how are we gonna talk about her the extent to which she is infantilized she is discussed as if she were an infant as if she were a child in the mainstream media is so broad is so deep is so personal that people are often shocked we say you know she's 3500 woman now what was it that brought this to mind I have a video on this channel where I mentioned it was just a strange thing at one point Donald Trump said of his daughter Ivanka that she was a big fan of 50 cent and g-unit the rapper 50 cent and it made me stop and think oh how old is Ivanka and I looked it up you know probably when 50 cent was at the peak of his fame that probably would have been when Ivanka was in her first year of university or possibly her last year of high school and Donald Trump making that comment that his own daughter was a big fan of this per 50 cent quite likely true I mean whether or not yeah anyway I don't know how closely you paid attention to his daughter's taste in music but she certainly is the right generation of people would that would have been the song playing in the hallway and playing at the school dance party or whatever in her last year of high school or first year of university approximately that time it is no doubt true that many people in this world are a psychologically scarred by being told again and again that they're ugly that they're worthless that they're not smart enough but there's a flip side of that which is that many many people are in a sense really psychologically damaged and really have their intellectual development impaired because people are always telling them that they're beautiful that they're good enough that they're smart enough that they're wonderful when they're not that they deal with if you like a cushion of flattery separating themselves from the hard edges of reality and I have known women like this myself face-to-face and we have a tremendous problem in our culture with actually criticizing women the same way we would criticize a man if you're gonna criticize the political views and the economic views of Ivanka Trump do not do her the disservice of patronizing her and treating her as a cute teenage female she's a 35 year old woman criticize her the same way you would criticize a 35 year old man but I would say and this is doubly this video the same way you would criticize a 25 year old man or even a 65 year old man if if we are adults talking about politics I think there is a level of seriousness and a level of severity and even a level of silliness that everyone is a lot it ought to be allotted equally they ought to be treated with equal seriousness equal rigor yes also equal silliness you know satire is also part of politics and so on let's not kid ourselves as a culture modern Western culture we have a huge problem with trivializing the voices of women at the same time that we put them on a pedestal right now of course we're job we're trivializing the seriousness of their opinions their understanding their perspective in the world and what we're putting on a pedestal most of the time it's just their physical beauty there are some exceptions you know probably some female athletes are putting a pedestal for other reasons not just their beauty at cetera center okay so I got some responses here to my critique of wengie and I don't think any of y'all googled wengie before writing these these frankly idiotic comments now I've said many times I cannot waste my time responding to the stupidest 90% of my audience uh but in this case I think these comments illustrate this broader deeper problem of how we address ourselves to women of any age but especially women who are perceived as young and again Ivanka Trump perceived as young at age 35 all right so first come and none of these are from trolls these are all people who watch my channel codes and they're not trolls they're concerned citizens so I have one comment here I read quote as a sulfurous as a self-proclaimed vegan activist I fail to understand how this type of video can help the vegan cause in any way nevertheless I appreciate the entertainment aspect although I do find you condescending in this video think about the word condescending I continue the quote quote have you ever thought that when G has perhaps not reached intellectual maturity in order to understand what intellectual integrity means question mark you are a teacher why don't you teach her instead of laughing at her okay close quote I'm not Wendy's teacher when G is not a child when G is an adult woman the only references I have seen to when G's age on the Internet indicate that she is over 30 years old if you find that surprising go to youtube right now you know what follow the link I'll give you a link below the video but II can go to youtube and simply search for when G plastic surgery that alone will probably convince you that she's over 30 years old if I'm wrong how young do you think she is again you look at that plastic surgery video she has had many surgeries you can even see them just scrolling down to her YouTube channel you can see some changes in her face looking at earlier videos um what's her minimum age here 25 I think nobody believes she's under 25 again look at the plastic surgery video I do find it believable the different references have found her being over 30 or perhaps exactly 30 years old but if she were 25 this would still be a [ __ ] concept comment okay quote have you ever thought that when G has not reached the intellectual level of maturity to understand what intellectual turn means no I don't think that because I'm not a sexist piece of [ __ ] okay you say that my video is condescending no talking to women as if they're infants as if their opinions don't matter as if their opinions are not to be taken equally as seriously as a man's that is being condescending what I'm doing is the opposite of being condescending I criticize wengie exactly the same way I criticize durianrider you can see that in the same video you could go back and make contrast to my videos into your mother some people only a couple of people ever have said to me that they thought I criticized women more harsher than men on my channel and just in conversations like this like in the in the comment section or whatever email I asked them well have you actually seen my videos criticizing man and I give them links to examples of criticize men in terms of politics in terms of Buddhism but it's philosophy under a number of headings of course in connection to veganism animal right I have very harsh incisive trenchant criticisms of men now I would feel like garbage if I was going easy on the women if I was saying oh well she's female therefore I'm not gonna really point out what she's doing wrong that would be condescending that would be and against sexism it's not really the right term because sexism is just an ideology that would be you know allowing a sexist worldview to really warp and hamper and impair your engagement with politics which is ultimately this is about for me for me this is not really about diet advice diet advice is worth talking but also okay now as it happens when she is a thirty year old woman so far as I know if I'm wrong but she could if someone told me she's actually 28 I would believe it I do not think she can be much younger than 30 take a look at the video on her plastic surgery it is very believable that she's over 30 I don't think that matters I think this person may become who is a female or is apparently female you don't on the internet anyone can fit but this is apparently a female I think on a really deep level you perceive someone as a young woman which really means a youthful woman because again Ivanka Trump is perceived as young or youthful at age 35 and I understand why I mean I how she doesn't dress like an old woman I understand there's a sense in which Ivanka Trump who also has plastic surgery she may create an illusion that she's more youthful issues but she is a fully adult woman okay now I don't know where you put the cutoff but for me anyone over 23 I talked to as an adult period I would man or a woman if you've reached 23 I will talk to you the same way I talk to someone who's 65 or 55 we're all equal over 23 that's where I put the cutoff I have a lot of experience on University campuses talking to people who are between 17 and 23 so I guess at 17 to 22 where I'm not talking them with the same level of honesty but I am still trying to help them where you're a little bit more restrained a a little bit more polite but for me not flattering and there can be a lot of different like talking about meat eating talking about what goes on in a slaughterhouse I actually do not put a guilt trip on an eighteen year old the same way I would on a 23 volt I do not want to emotionally upset someone who's that young or challenging that extent however I mean like I remember I was talking to one young man and he was speaking in very coded language even though he knew I was Jewish I'm Jewish by blood but I remember was tagged young one young man and it was obvious that he was a bit of a neo-nazi or Nazi sympathizer now you know I did try to we were having conversation actually about political events immediately after World War two and this kid was not dumb but was and you know in case you have a conversation was like I'm not gonna try to discuss politics with this kid the same way I would a fifty year old man cuz whatever let's say he was nineteen I don't really know his age but on the other hand I'm not gonna be patronizing I'm not gonna be condescending I'm not gonna flatter him I'm not gonna say oh good for you I'm so glad you're reading history I'm so glad you're interested in the history of Western Europe no kid I'm [ __ ] terrified for you I think you're turning into a [ __ ] neo-nazi I think step by step you're reading a bunch of biased and misleading literature that's gonna take you down a path that's dangerous to yourself and others and it's it is fundamentally factually wrong okay same [ __ ] with diet advice really it is I think people start reading biased information about health and science and nutrition and step by step that takes them down a path that is dangerous to themselves and others it is very true of fad diets it's very true of religion and again I've had to talk to people who were Buddhists who believed in Buddhism in a supernatural sense and some of them were eighteen and some of them were fifty eight you know I've had a lot of these kinds of careful conversations people we are really trying to educate someone and maybe take them away from a supernatural worldview and put them back in touch throughout I've had a lot of difficult conversations people like this my life in some sense I think those other skills I bring to YouTube by the way that's why I'm as good as I am at talking to you guys right now on YouTube and I'm not good enough for you go watch durianrider instead see if I give a [ __ ] but some people appreciate you know this this form of reasoning that I've - YouTube okay so no the actual questions Tuesday was have you thought that when she has not reached intellectual maturity in order to understand is no even if she hasn't even if she's a thirty year old woman who hasn't the whole point is I am gonna treat her with the dignity to take her worldview seriously to criticize and excoriate it seriously as I would for a man and you have to stop receiving women this way right you may not put the cutoff at 23 you may put the cutoff at 18 or 26 I don't know you have to decide like I came into that number 23 honestly within the last I don't know within the last five years because I spent so much time on University campuses I thought you know what at age 23 people are as mature as they're gonna get getting older is not getting wiser you give me people are 60 years old there's still a goddamn fool oh really I really just based on empirical so you know what 23 that's it you got a I treat people as as fully grown adults um so look I I got a couple more comments here I'm gonna read I said earlier it is true and we have a lot of folks in the society being told that you're ugly can have a really negative impact on you you know growing up or in your adult life be but being told that you're beautiful all the time can also have a negative impact on you one of my girlfriends I haven't had that many so some of these stories overlap but I had a blonde Canadian girlfriend she was both cute and sexy so rare combination she had many other redeeming qualities but you know in terms of her face like some women have a face that people find austere or imposing or challenging she had a face that looked cute in the sense of being non-threatening she's also beautiful but I mean I'm just saying there's a specific type of face now most of us one more eight years old can walk down the street and smile at people smile at complete strangers make eye-to-eye contact with them and maybe at eight years old you expect them to smile back but she got to age 30 she went through her whole life behaving in this basically childish way on the streets of Toronto so may I guess I'm thinking of her at about age 26 I forget exactly uh and she would actually get disappointed angry if complete strangers didn't smile back at her right and I said a very simple thing to her because we were actually we're walking through Chinatown together and she did this to a Chinese woman who was a middle-aged well let's say it was a 55 year old Chinese woman on the street and then my girlfriend complained to me that this Chinese woman didn't reciprocate her making eye contact in this way Chinese woman's probably was having a bad day or whatever but Chinese woman kind of looked at her and scowled and then looked down to the street and shuffled past her yeah I said I'm a girl but straight up do you think you would expect this kind of behavior to be rewarded if you were a tall thin black male the level of seriousness expected of you and the way your behavior is evaluated by being a tall thin man and as in Canada in Toronto or in many parts in States being a tall thin black man an african-american a man African descent it is totally different even for something as Tiny as eye contact but my girlfriend at that time she was so used to the whole world telling her that she was beautiful and wonderful and pandering to her and treating her like an infant and rewarding infantile behavior in well into her 20s I'm sure now it's Tocantins 30s this was devastating for I didn't say in a mean way I just said have you considered look what what reaction will you expect from this stranger on the street if you were a tall thin black male instead of a short sexy cute white woman again even some women like there's some women who have more of a tall statuesque look that's a little bit more threatening and that not quite the same behavior gets accepted from them I think they're regarded as more imposing or what-have-you and you know I may have mentioned this on the Internet at some point that same girlfriend she told me proudly about one time when she she had an assignment you know I can essay assignment for one of her classes I forgive probably art history class something you know and there were these very specific guidelines to the assignment she decided to throw away all the guidelines and instead of doing a normal essay you know supposed to be printed out of a computer with you know a certain page kitchens she got out her her colored pens and pencils and she bought a big poster sized piece of paper and she drew pretty pictures around the border and she did the essay handwritten like including the bibliography on one big like I forgot it was pink but it was some kind of construction paper and she handed in to the professor you know smiling and she got a good mind she got an A - is she she wasn't penalized for doing this for handing in us a handwritten essay that way and I said to her again do you think I would have gotten away with that [ __ ] do you think the professor would have just the president even asked her there was no meeting there was no question there was no question of dr. marks being doc and I really think this is just not taking women seriously like so whatever when she did that she was probably 22 years old she she worked for a few years she actually took a few years off between high school and university so she could have been even older she should have been 23 years I know there there's a sense in which her education doesn't matter who are living up to the same standards as the other students does matter just because she's a cute female she's perceived as a young or youthful female it's actually a huge problem in our society again she was very uncomfortable with that and I just asked her again with the other terms do you think a tall thin black man in your scene class if he handed in that same thing what do you think the professor's reaction would be do you think they would waive the requirements for the assignment and just accept this it's like a primary school [ __ ] craft project instead of a proper academic essay why no and what is the problem with that so that girlfriend by the way she identified as a feminist it's a problem and it cuts deep and there's one more strong one so I'm gonna get on with this but I mean all right I'll push on I'm gonna read the next coming comment again from a female viewer not a troll a female a viewer who identifies this female in a write because on the internet you don't know anyone really is a lot of your stuff is interesting she says but it's really irritating how you keep resorting to ad hominem attacks the part of the video that actually got substance is you addressing her false claims but you hysterically laughing at a twenty-something year old girl's mannerisms in some kind of attempt to undermine her credibility just feels really petty I get that youtubers are false and overly fake but why not just make a passing comment about this rather than trying to mock them okay so again twenty-something year old girl so this person doesn't I mean it's not possible that she's a teenager you can look at the you know plus surgery video but if she were in her 20s to my knowledge she's in her 30s but if she were an adult woman in her 20s so this is a woman who got some kind of university degree in marketing and who has had a career in corporate marketing and if we're heaping all the way real it shows if you look at this YouTube channel it seems like the YouTube channel of an adult woman who had a career in marketing especially if you compare what her videos like you okay you are asking me to pander to her to not treat her like a [ __ ] human being because she's a 20-something female twenty-something is a dolt read the history of the [ __ ] Western world people in their 20s are old enough to join the army plenty people in their 20s are members of parliament still today but much more in medieval history in your 20s you are mentally and intellectually an adult and how long you gonna infantilize people are you gonna why would you treat anyone man or woman as an infant as mentally incompetent in their 20s in this case she's not even in her 20s but weren't her minimum age here has got to be 25 this is sick and it's a sickness that's more powerful because it's invisible these people this is something as a distorting myopic view of the world Noah if if she was in her mid if she was 25 I don't regret anything I've said now again you can compare this to other forms of MA Kurian criticism of engagement III repeatedly uh so okay we just had a comment confirming apparently her current age is thirty precisely so the comments have seen that she's exactly thirty and that she's in her 30s those are both accurate but apparently she did turn thirty of some number of months ago show she's 30 years old but I say this is really sick now you know look um when I criticize when I laugh at when I scorn durianrider for sitting on the floor of his kitchen and having an emoji out and ranting at the camera when I criticize his mannerisms as well as his content which i think is worthwhile important to do in as much as veganism is political movement blah blah blah you know why would his age or gender be a factor think about what the course of action is you're recommending here I mean you know I have I have so many videos excoriating seriously harshly criticizing excoriating male intellectuals male leaders some of them under the heading of atheism under netting of Buddhism vegan politics etc etc and the fact that she's 30 years old shouldn't change things the fact that she's a woman shouldn't change things if you're a person with any intellectual integrity you're quite right to treat others in this way and demand that they also conduct themselves intellectual target which is what you failed to do and then there's another apply from another female Condit or apparently female commenter who says agreed a ballast CL makes some awesome vlogs but in this case I think he needs to pick on someone his own size close quote think about how condescending that is think about how insulting that is really that comment is more insulting the when she than anything I said youyou think I need to pick on someone says when G is more successful than I'll ever be she's more successful than me financially in terms of her career says she already had us cessful career in marketing it shows she's more successful on YouTube so far as I know I think she's probably a better education than I have to when she's got a lot going for her and that for me also raises the question like if you don't think when he's an idiot again you look at some of her earlier videos she's not always acting like such an idiot to what extent is she being intentionally misleading and insincere so Tyson also when she she read a book that she said changed her life and it's a book many of you will know very well she read a book called how not to die by dr. Greger and she said it totally changed her understanding of health and nutrition and changed the way she eats and the advice she gives me Internet this is an adult woman 30 years old who read dr. Gregers favorite book and change her life accordingly now already what do you mean pick on someone your own size this is someone so when she is entitled not just to have her own opinions about health and nutrition she's nailed everyone opinion on theism if somebody don't know dr. Greger is probably the world's most famous and effective vegan propaganda artist he is a legitimate medical doctor who uses legitimate medical science to publish vegan propaganda okay I'm not saying that all this stuff is full of lies some of his stuff is good some of it is not so good but he is not a doctor who merely insinuates that you ought to reduce the amount of meat you're eating or you ought to vaguely have a healthier diet dr. Greger is 100% insistent and persistent and saying basically everyone ought to go vegan and he argues that primarily in terms of health outcomes not in terms of animal rights or ethics but in terms of the dramatic effect the vegan diet can have on your likelihood to have a variety of cancers heart disease etc okay so when g read that book and she has videos responding to and giving her advice East on her statement that dr. Gregers book changed her life and transformed her understanding of modern health science and diet and she's making this video is not telling you to go vegan I mean again even if that is the only book she has ever read in her life on nutritional science that actually gives you a pretty pretty high level of knowledge really specifically salient to what we talk about here on a ballast sail Broadcasting Corporation um and she's not recommending you go vegan she's not even recommending you do push-ups she's recommending this horseshit like drink cold water and the cold water can send more calories per day already discussed at length all right now what if she was a 20-something year old girl as you say again twenty-seven twenty-seven year old woman if she was twenty-five and this is all you know butter she read dr. Gregers book she's making health that on a level I think these people haven't examined they are treating women as infants they are just not taking them seriously I take freely just as seriously as I take durianrider in some ways I think I think freely more seriously because durianrider is pretty [ __ ] hard to take seriously for nothing to do with gender alright um and so one more comment again this guy is not a troll he's a longtime viewer the comments are I assume this is male in this case actually there's no indication could be male or female um there must be a way to call out stupid [ __ ] without making yourself look creepy or immature the way you laughed at this ditzy girl was crunchy okay cuz that video closes with like two minutes of me laughing and how ridiculous when Jesus okay so look I just say why is it creepy or immature for me a 38 year old man to criticize a 30 year old woman she may be a 30 old woman who behaves like a teenager but that in itself is actually a very good reason to criticize her right why is it immature for me to criticize her I mean again I I have absolutely no doubt in my heart that what I said in that video you guys know the video covered a range of topics it included you know me expressing interesting and concern over some of the things durianrider did the general question of honesty on the Internet the general call contrast between telling the truth telling a lie and taking this sort of position in between we were saying things that are in a sense technically kind of sort of true and yet misleading there's a lot there but no I mean so there's two words here using this complaint one is creepy and one is immature why would it be immature and why would it be creepy really worth questioning really worth questioning for a 38 year old man to criticize the ludicrous health and diet advice from a 30 year old woman and again in this case interestingly a 30 year old woman who read dr. Gregers book and who claimed that it dramatically transformed her life her attitude towards diet health and fitness etc on another matter you know I had a complaint come in and I just say this they'll do sympathy because a lot of these people are so someone made the comment it's totally to come and tell them in the comics just now some people think it's cringy to laugh at your own jokes I wasn't laughing at my own jokes I was laughing at how terrible her video was successes case in which I was not laughing at my jokes I was with laughing at it was quite obvious what was laughing at I was laughing at her again a thirty year old woman who has had a lot of plastic surgery and who does who pretends to be a ditzy teenager on camera but we all know that she isn't look I got a comment from someone else who again is not a troll who said to me look some of these videos you do are upsetting you should think about how this person's family would feel if they watched it now that is kind of an interesting point it's interesting but it's wrong you absolutely cannot censor yourself when talking about politics as if your video or addressed to the mother and grandfather of the person you're criticizing that's impossible i as a standard there's absolutely no way you can do it now I can also say in this case sometimes you make a criticism of somebody and it really is intended for the person you criticize just today happy healthy vegan had a criticism of durianrider up and in many ways you know happy LD vegan was not talking to the crowd they were talking directly to durianrider they were really trying to get the critters across to him to change his behavior so sometimes that's the case but most of the time were neither doing this for the friends and family of the person were criticizing we can't possibly censor ourselves the extent of trying to make when jeez mom happy if Wendy's mom sees my food we can't do that but some we also have to recognize that we are doing this for our audience in my case I have you know no second thoughts about it when I'm making these videos I'm doing it for the movement the movement isn't me and it isn't you and it isn't her and it isn't her parents it isn't any one person or attitude and in many ways the movement is something that doesn't exist yet something that's unknowable something that remains unknown because it's still forming out of this massive eccentrics on the internet and people holding placards in the street the vegan movement I think of as something yet to exist something we can't fully define or can't fully understand or can't fully criticize because it's not even real yet it's an idea and a dream and an aspiration that we share but if you were to actually ask me why do I bother to criticize wengie why do I bother to film myself laughing and how terrible her video is and share it with you guys believe it or not it's not for wengie it's not for Wendy's mom it's not for fame it's not for money it's not for the views it may be hard for some you'll blame if you're new to this channel but truth be told I am doing it for the movement
same time you're really removing them from the sphere of serious intellectual and political discourse and there are many examples of this from my personal life from current political theater it is bizarre to me that people continue to refer to Ivanka Trump the daughter of President Donald Trump as if she were a child as if she were a teenager she's basically the same age I am she is 35 years old many people are shocked when you mentioned this I mentioned this today to my Chinese teacher we talk about politics and stuff in class like you know people talk about her like she's a teenage model and she's not she's a married woman who is 35 years old who has had an elite education who has had a string of jobs on paper that look very impressive on paper I don't really know I mean I don't really know that much about her career obviously some of that stuff may be exaggerated on her resume but with that with that having been noted this is a 35 year old woman who has been engaged in American business dealings at an elite level and is now engaged in American politics at an elite level and in international politics in the Lea level so how are we gonna talk about her the extent to which she is infantilized she is discussed as if she were an infant as if she were a child in the mainstream media is so broad is so deep is so personal that people are often shocked we say you know she's 3500 woman now what was it that brought this to mind I have a video on this channel where I mentioned it was just a strange thing at one point Donald Trump said of his daughter Ivanka that she was a big fan of 50 cent and g-unit the rapper 50 cent and it made me stop and think oh how old is Ivanka and I looked it up you know probably when 50 cent was at the peak of his fame that probably would have been when Ivanka was in her first year of university or possibly her last year of high school and Donald Trump making that comment that his own daughter was a big fan of this per 50 cent quite likely true I mean whether or not yeah anyway I don't know how closely you paid attention to his daughter's taste in music but she certainly is the right generation of people would that would have been the song playing in the hallway and playing at the school dance party or whatever in her last year of high school or first year of university approximately that time it is no doubt true that many people in this world are a psychologically scarred by being told again and again that they're ugly that they're worthless that they're not smart enough but there's a flip side of that which is that many many people are in a sense really psychologically damaged and really have their intellectual development impaired because people are always telling them that they're beautiful that they're good enough that they're smart enough that they're wonderful when they're not that they deal with if you like a cushion of flattery separating themselves from the hard edges of reality and I have known women like this myself face-to-face and we have a tremendous problem in our culture with actually criticizing women the same way we would criticize a man if you're gonna criticize the political views and the economic views of Ivanka Trump do not do her the disservice of patronizing her and treating her as a cute teenage female she's a 35 year old woman criticize her the same way you would criticize a 35 year old man but I would say and this is doubly this video the same way you would criticize a 25 year old man or even a 65 year old man if if we are adults talking about politics I think there is a level of seriousness and a level of severity and even a level of silliness that everyone is a lot it ought to be allotted equally they ought to be treated with equal seriousness equal rigor yes also equal silliness you know satire is also part of politics and so on let's not kid ourselves as a culture modern Western culture we have a huge problem with trivializing the voices of women at the same time that we put them on a pedestal right now of course we're job we're trivializing the seriousness of their opinions their understanding their perspective in the world and what we're putting on a pedestal most of the time it's just their physical beauty there are some exceptions you know probably some female athletes are putting a pedestal for other reasons not just their beauty at cetera center okay so I got some responses here to my critique of wengie and I don't think any of y'all googled wengie before writing these these frankly idiotic comments now I've said many times I cannot waste my time responding to the stupidest 90% of my audience uh but in this case I think these comments illustrate this broader deeper problem of how we address ourselves to women of any age but especially women who are perceived as young and again Ivanka Trump perceived as young at age 35 all right so first come and none of these are from trolls these are all people who watch my channel codes and they're not trolls they're concerned citizens so I have one comment here I read quote as a sulfurous as a self-proclaimed vegan activist I fail to understand how this type of video can help the vegan cause in any way nevertheless I appreciate the entertainment aspect although I do find you condescending in this video think about the word condescending I continue the quote quote have you ever thought that when G has perhaps not reached intellectual maturity in order to understand what intellectual integrity means question mark you are a teacher why don't you teach her instead of laughing at her okay close quote I'm not Wendy's teacher when G is not a child when G is an adult woman the only references I have seen to when G's age on the Internet indicate that she is over 30 years old if you find that surprising go to youtube right now you know what follow the link I'll give you a link below the video but II can go to youtube and simply search for when G plastic surgery that alone will probably convince you that she's over 30 years old if I'm wrong how young do you think she is again you look at that plastic surgery video she has had many surgeries you can even see them just scrolling down to her YouTube channel you can see some changes in her face looking at earlier videos um what's her minimum age here 25 I think nobody believes she's under 25 again look at the plastic surgery video I do find it believable the different references have found her being over 30 or perhaps exactly 30 years old but if she were 25 this would still be a [ __ ] concept comment okay quote have you ever thought that when G has not reached the intellectual level of maturity to understand what intellectual turn means no I don't think that because I'm not a sexist piece of [ __ ] okay you say that my video is condescending no talking to women as if they're infants as if their opinions don't matter as if their opinions are not to be taken equally as seriously as a man's that is being condescending what I'm doing is the opposite of being condescending I criticize wengie exactly the same way I criticize durianrider you can see that in the same video you could go back and make contrast to my videos into your mother some people only a couple of people ever have said to me that they thought I criticized women more harsher than men on my channel and just in conversations like this like in the in the comment section or whatever email I asked them well have you actually seen my videos criticizing man and I give them links to examples of criticize men in terms of politics in terms of Buddhism but it's philosophy under a number of headings of course in connection to veganism animal right I have very harsh incisive trenchant criticisms of men now I would feel like garbage if I was going easy on the women if I was saying oh well she's female therefore I'm not gonna really point out what she's doing wrong that would be condescending that would be and against sexism it's not really the right term because sexism is just an ideology that would be you know allowing a sexist worldview to really warp and hamper and impair your engagement with politics which is ultimately this is about for me for me this is not really about diet advice diet advice is worth talking but also okay now as it happens when she is a thirty year old woman so far as I know if I'm wrong but she could if someone told me she's actually 28 I would believe it I do not think she can be much younger than 30 take a look at the video on her plastic surgery it is very believable that she's over 30 I don't think that matters I think this person may become who is a female or is apparently female you don't on the internet anyone can fit but this is apparently a female I think on a really deep level you perceive someone as a young woman which really means a youthful woman because again Ivanka Trump is perceived as young or youthful at age 35 and I understand why I mean I how she doesn't dress like an old woman I understand there's a sense in which Ivanka Trump who also has plastic surgery she may create an illusion that she's more youthful issues but she is a fully adult woman okay now I don't know where you put the cutoff but for me anyone over 23 I talked to as an adult period I would man or a woman if you've reached 23 I will talk to you the same way I talk to someone who's 65 or 55 we're all equal over 23 that's where I put the cutoff I have a lot of experience on University campuses talking to people who are between 17 and 23 so I guess at 17 to 22 where I'm not talking them with the same level of honesty but I am still trying to help them where you're a little bit more restrained a a little bit more polite but for me not flattering and there can be a lot of different like talking about meat eating talking about what goes on in a slaughterhouse I actually do not put a guilt trip on an eighteen year old the same way I would on a 23 volt I do not want to emotionally upset someone who's that young or challenging that extent however I mean like I remember I was talking to one young man and he was speaking in very coded language even though he knew I was Jewish I'm Jewish by blood but I remember was tagged young one young man and it was obvious that he was a bit of a neo-nazi or Nazi sympathizer now you know I did try to we were having conversation actually about political events immediately after World War two and this kid was not dumb but was and you know in case you have a conversation was like I'm not gonna try to discuss politics with this kid the same way I would a fifty year old man cuz whatever let's say he was nineteen I don't really know his age but on the other hand I'm not gonna be patronizing I'm not gonna be condescending I'm not gonna flatter him I'm not gonna say oh good for you I'm so glad you're reading history I'm so glad you're interested in the history of Western Europe no kid I'm [ __ ] terrified for you I think you're turning into a [ __ ] neo-nazi I think step by step you're reading a bunch of biased and misleading literature that's gonna take you down a path that's dangerous to yourself and others and it's it is fundamentally factually wrong okay same [ __ ] with diet advice really it is I think people start reading biased information about health and science and nutrition and step by step that takes them down a path that is dangerous to themselves and others it is very true of fad diets it's very true of religion and again I've had to talk to people who were Buddhists who believed in Buddhism in a supernatural sense and some of them were eighteen and some of them were fifty eight you know I've had a lot of these kinds of careful conversations people we are really trying to educate someone and maybe take them away from a supernatural worldview and put them back in touch throughout I've had a lot of difficult conversations people like this my life in some sense I think those other skills I bring to YouTube by the way that's why I'm as good as I am at talking to you guys right now on YouTube and I'm not good enough for you go watch durianrider instead see if I give a [ __ ] but some people appreciate you know this this form of reasoning that I've - YouTube okay so no the actual questions Tuesday was have you thought that when she has not reached intellectual maturity in order to understand is no even if she hasn't even if she's a thirty year old woman who hasn't the whole point is I am gonna treat her with the dignity to take her worldview seriously to criticize and excoriate it seriously as I would for a man and you have to stop receiving women this way right you may not put the cutoff at 23 you may put the cutoff at 18 or 26 I don't know you have to decide like I came into that number 23 honestly within the last I don't know within the last five years because I spent so much time on University campuses I thought you know what at age 23 people are as mature as they're gonna get getting older is not getting wiser you give me people are 60 years old there's still a goddamn fool oh really I really just based on empirical so you know what 23 that's it you got a I treat people as as fully grown adults um so look I I got a couple more comments here I'm gonna read I said earlier it is true and we have a lot of folks in the society being told that you're ugly can have a really negative impact on you you know growing up or in your adult life be but being told that you're beautiful all the time can also have a negative impact on you one of my girlfriends I haven't had that many so some of these stories overlap but I had a blonde Canadian girlfriend she was both cute and sexy so rare combination she had many other redeeming qualities but you know in terms of her face like some women have a face that people find austere or imposing or challenging she had a face that looked cute in the sense of being non-threatening she's also beautiful but I mean I'm just saying there's a specific type of face now most of us one more eight years old can walk down the street and smile at people smile at complete strangers make eye-to-eye contact with them and maybe at eight years old you expect them to smile back but she got to age 30 she went through her whole life behaving in this basically childish way on the streets of Toronto so may I guess I'm thinking of her at about age 26 I forget exactly uh and she would actually get disappointed angry if complete strangers didn't smile back at her right and I said a very simple thing to her because we were actually we're walking through Chinatown together and she did this to a Chinese woman who was a middle-aged well let's say it was a 55 year old Chinese woman on the street and then my girlfriend complained to me that this Chinese woman didn't reciprocate her making eye contact in this way Chinese woman's probably was having a bad day or whatever but Chinese woman kind of looked at her and scowled and then looked down to the street and shuffled past her yeah I said I'm a girl but straight up do you think you would expect this kind of behavior to be rewarded if you were a tall thin black male the level of seriousness expected of you and the way your behavior is evaluated by being a tall thin man and as in Canada in Toronto or in many parts in States being a tall thin black man an african-american a man African descent it is totally different even for something as Tiny as eye contact but my girlfriend at that time she was so used to the whole world telling her that she was beautiful and wonderful and pandering to her and treating her like an infant and rewarding infantile behavior in well into her 20s I'm sure now it's Tocantins 30s this was devastating for I didn't say in a mean way I just said have you considered look what what reaction will you expect from this stranger on the street if you were a tall thin black male instead of a short sexy cute white woman again even some women like there's some women who have more of a tall statuesque look that's a little bit more threatening and that not quite the same behavior gets accepted from them I think they're regarded as more imposing or what-have-you and you know I may have mentioned this on the Internet at some point that same girlfriend she told me proudly about one time when she she had an assignment you know I can essay assignment for one of her classes I forgive probably art history class something you know and there were these very specific guidelines to the assignment she decided to throw away all the guidelines and instead of doing a normal essay you know supposed to be printed out of a computer with you know a certain page kitchens she got out her her colored pens and pencils and she bought a big poster sized piece of paper and she drew pretty pictures around the border and she did the essay handwritten like including the bibliography on one big like I forgot it was pink but it was some kind of construction paper and she handed in to the professor you know smiling and she got a good mind she got an A - is she she wasn't penalized for doing this for handing in us a handwritten essay that way and I said to her again do you think I would have gotten away with that [ __ ] do you think the professor would have just the president even asked her there was no meeting there was no question there was no question of dr. marks being doc and I really think this is just not taking women seriously like so whatever when she did that she was probably 22 years old she she worked for a few years she actually took a few years off between high school and university so she could have been even older she should have been 23 years I know there there's a sense in which her education doesn't matter who are living up to the same standards as the other students does matter just because she's a cute female she's perceived as a young or youthful female it's actually a huge problem in our society again she was very uncomfortable with that and I just asked her again with the other terms do you think a tall thin black man in your scene class if he handed in that same thing what do you think the professor's reaction would be do you think they would waive the requirements for the assignment and just accept this it's like a primary school [ __ ] craft project instead of a proper academic essay why no and what is the problem with that so that girlfriend by the way she identified as a feminist it's a problem and it cuts deep and there's one more strong one so I'm gonna get on with this but I mean all right I'll push on I'm gonna read the next coming comment again from a female viewer not a troll a female a viewer who identifies this female in a write because on the internet you don't know anyone really is a lot of your stuff is interesting she says but it's really irritating how you keep resorting to ad hominem attacks the part of the video that actually got substance is you addressing her false claims but you hysterically laughing at a twenty-something year old girl's mannerisms in some kind of attempt to undermine her credibility just feels really petty I get that youtubers are false and overly fake but why not just make a passing comment about this rather than trying to mock them okay so again twenty-something year old girl so this person doesn't I mean it's not possible that she's a teenager you can look at the you know plus surgery video but if she were in her 20s to my knowledge she's in her 30s but if she were an adult woman in her 20s so this is a woman who got some kind of university degree in marketing and who has had a career in corporate marketing and if we're heaping all the way real it shows if you look at this YouTube channel it seems like the YouTube channel of an adult woman who had a career in marketing especially if you compare what her videos like you okay you are asking me to pander to her to not treat her like a [ __ ] human being because she's a 20-something female twenty-something is a dolt read the history of the [ __ ] Western world people in their 20s are old enough to join the army plenty people in their 20s are members of parliament still today but much more in medieval history in your 20s you are mentally and intellectually an adult and how long you gonna infantilize people are you gonna why would you treat anyone man or woman as an infant as mentally incompetent in their 20s in this case she's not even in her 20s but weren't her minimum age here has got to be 25 this is sick and it's a sickness that's more powerful because it's invisible these people this is something as a distorting myopic view of the world Noah if if she was in her mid if she was 25 I don't regret anything I've said now again you can compare this to other forms of MA Kurian criticism of engagement III repeatedly uh so okay we just had a comment confirming apparently her current age is thirty precisely so the comments have seen that she's exactly thirty and that she's in her 30s those are both accurate but apparently she did turn thirty of some number of months ago show she's 30 years old but I say this is really sick now you know look um when I criticize when I laugh at when I scorn durianrider for sitting on the floor of his kitchen and having an emoji out and ranting at the camera when I criticize his mannerisms as well as his content which i think is worthwhile important to do in as much as veganism is political movement blah blah blah you know why would his age or gender be a factor think about what the course of action is you're recommending here I mean you know I have I have so many videos excoriating seriously harshly criticizing excoriating male intellectuals male leaders some of them under the heading of atheism under netting of Buddhism vegan politics etc etc and the fact that she's 30 years old shouldn't change things the fact that she's a woman shouldn't change things if you're a person with any intellectual integrity you're quite right to treat others in this way and demand that they also conduct themselves intellectual target which is what you failed to do and then there's another apply from another female Condit or apparently female commenter who says agreed a ballast CL makes some awesome vlogs but in this case I think he needs to pick on someone his own size close quote think about how condescending that is think about how insulting that is really that comment is more insulting the when she than anything I said youyou think I need to pick on someone says when G is more successful than I'll ever be she's more successful than me financially in terms of her career says she already had us cessful career in marketing it shows she's more successful on YouTube so far as I know I think she's probably a better education than I have to when she's got a lot going for her and that for me also raises the question like if you don't think when he's an idiot again you look at some of her earlier videos she's not always acting like such an idiot to what extent is she being intentionally misleading and insincere so Tyson also when she she read a book that she said changed her life and it's a book many of you will know very well she read a book called how not to die by dr. Greger and she said it totally changed her understanding of health and nutrition and changed the way she eats and the advice she gives me Internet this is an adult woman 30 years old who read dr. Gregers favorite book and change her life accordingly now already what do you mean pick on someone your own size this is someone so when she is entitled not just to have her own opinions about health and nutrition she's nailed everyone opinion on theism if somebody don't know dr. Greger is probably the world's most famous and effective vegan propaganda artist he is a legitimate medical doctor who uses legitimate medical science to publish vegan propaganda okay I'm not saying that all this stuff is full of lies some of his stuff is good some of it is not so good but he is not a doctor who merely insinuates that you ought to reduce the amount of meat you're eating or you ought to vaguely have a healthier diet dr. Greger is 100% insistent and persistent and saying basically everyone ought to go vegan and he argues that primarily in terms of health outcomes not in terms of animal rights or ethics but in terms of the dramatic effect the vegan diet can have on your likelihood to have a variety of cancers heart disease etc okay so when g read that book and she has videos responding to and giving her advice East on her statement that dr. Gregers book changed her life and transformed her understanding of modern health science and diet and she's making this video is not telling you to go vegan I mean again even if that is the only book she has ever read in her life on nutritional science that actually gives you a pretty pretty high level of knowledge really specifically salient to what we talk about here on a ballast sail Broadcasting Corporation um and she's not recommending you go vegan she's not even recommending you do push-ups she's recommending this horseshit like drink cold water and the cold water can send more calories per day already discussed at length all right now what if she was a 20-something year old girl as you say again twenty-seven twenty-seven year old woman if she was twenty-five and this is all you know butter she read dr. Gregers book she's making health that on a level I think these people haven't examined they are treating women as infants they are just not taking them seriously I take freely just as seriously as I take durianrider in some ways I think I think freely more seriously because durianrider is pretty [ __ ] hard to take seriously for nothing to do with gender alright um and so one more comment again this guy is not a troll he's a longtime viewer the comments are I assume this is male in this case actually there's no indication could be male or female um there must be a way to call out stupid [ __ ] without making yourself look creepy or immature the way you laughed at this ditzy girl was crunchy okay cuz that video closes with like two minutes of me laughing and how ridiculous when Jesus okay so look I just say why is it creepy or immature for me a 38 year old man to criticize a 30 year old woman she may be a 30 old woman who behaves like a teenager but that in itself is actually a very good reason to criticize her right why is it immature for me to criticize her I mean again I I have absolutely no doubt in my heart that what I said in that video you guys know the video covered a range of topics it included you know me expressing interesting and concern over some of the things durianrider did the general question of honesty on the Internet the general call contrast between telling the truth telling a lie and taking this sort of position in between we were saying things that are in a sense technically kind of sort of true and yet misleading there's a lot there but no I mean so there's two words here using this complaint one is creepy and one is immature why would it be immature and why would it be creepy really worth questioning really worth questioning for a 38 year old man to criticize the ludicrous health and diet advice from a 30 year old woman and again in this case interestingly a 30 year old woman who read dr. Gregers book and who claimed that it dramatically transformed her life her attitude towards diet health and fitness etc on another matter you know I had a complaint come in and I just say this they'll do sympathy because a lot of these people are so someone made the comment it's totally to come and tell them in the comics just now some people think it's cringy to laugh at your own jokes I wasn't laughing at my own jokes I was laughing at how terrible her video was successes case in which I was not laughing at my jokes I was with laughing at it was quite obvious what was laughing at I was laughing at her again a thirty year old woman who has had a lot of plastic surgery and who does who pretends to be a ditzy teenager on camera but we all know that she isn't look I got a comment from someone else who again is not a troll who said to me look some of these videos you do are upsetting you should think about how this person's family would feel if they watched it now that is kind of an interesting point it's interesting but it's wrong you absolutely cannot censor yourself when talking about politics as if your video or addressed to the mother and grandfather of the person you're criticizing that's impossible i as a standard there's absolutely no way you can do it now I can also say in this case sometimes you make a criticism of somebody and it really is intended for the person you criticize just today happy healthy vegan had a criticism of durianrider up and in many ways you know happy LD vegan was not talking to the crowd they were talking directly to durianrider they were really trying to get the critters across to him to change his behavior so sometimes that's the case but most of the time were neither doing this for the friends and family of the person were criticizing we can't possibly censor ourselves the extent of trying to make when jeez mom happy if Wendy's mom sees my food we can't do that but some we also have to recognize that we are doing this for our audience in my case I have you know no second thoughts about it when I'm making these videos I'm doing it for the movement the movement isn't me and it isn't you and it isn't her and it isn't her parents it isn't any one person or attitude and in many ways the movement is something that doesn't exist yet something that's unknowable something that remains unknown because it's still forming out of this massive eccentrics on the internet and people holding placards in the street the vegan movement I think of as something yet to exist something we can't fully define or can't fully understand or can't fully criticize because it's not even real yet it's an idea and a dream and an aspiration that we share but if you were to actually ask me why do I bother to criticize wengie why do I bother to film myself laughing and how terrible her video is and share it with you guys believe it or not it's not for wengie it's not for Wendy's mom it's not for fame it's not for money it's not for the views it may be hard for some you'll blame if you're new to this channel but truth be told I am doing it for the movement