USE SOAP, YOU IDIOTS: Why I Hate Vegans.

06 November 2016 [link youtube]


It's amazing that anyone would consider this controversial in the 21st century, but within the digital demimonde, IT DEFINITELY IS. I can't recall Unnatural Vegan* taking on this one (i.e., though she was bold enough to tackle Splenda, risking the righteous ire of HHV [Happy, Healthy Vegan])… and, yes, there was a time when Freelee vocally encouraged her followers to give up using soap entirely, because (she claimed) her diet resulted in your entire body becoming "self-cleaning".



* Credit where it is due: although I don't think she dealt with the overall anti-soap mythology, U.V. did tackle the "anti-shampoo" idea, specifically, a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6DIsH2r9aE


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use soap you filthy disgusting hippy
vegan [ __ ] sorry that's not what this video is about except Loki it really is um look I've met and spoken to vegans face-to-face who do not use soap um the worst thing is they think they're doing something bold and edgy and positive for the future of humanity by not using soap and that makes even less sense like if for some reason you are managing to survive and not spread communicable diseases without using soap why would that not be something you're quite humble about instead of being something you boast about as if you're the one who's made a scientific breakthrough by ignoring the progress of the last couple centuries of science and refusing to use soap um now my real point in this video is actually not about the use of soap and isolation oh that is a shockingly important issue for vegans in 2016 I'm sorry to say who would have seen a lot of university educated vegans who get pulled into this maelstrom of misinformation about and how not using soap is the greatest thing on earth you know partly because I have this background with Buddhist philosophy and Buddhism it within Buddhism there are all these kind of traps pseudo logical traps when people talk about politics and social conditions and what-have-you where people pretend that anything you say that is extreme must therefore be false now when you're talking about action when you're talking about intervention then it's really important to question extremes when you're talking about logical reasoning pardon me when you're talking about testing the validity of a concept then there's nothing wrong with extremes in fact it's really positive to encompass extremes within your set of examples you set a paradigm dramatic pause um well I drink this water um so you know I remember meeting a guy face-to-face who was vegan who proudly refused to use soap and I asked him when you go to the hospital to have surgery and you choose between two surgeons do you want to have the surgery performed by someone who does or does not use soap it's an extreme example and it's a really useful one how about the surgeon's knife the scalpel do you want a scalpel that has not been cleaned with soap all of a sudden your faith that living without using soap is superior to all of us Luddites us poor uneducated people who have gotten with the hip discoveries of science in the last five hundred years and are using soap suddenly this is to confusion you're having to question this from a new and unfamiliar angle the surgical theater right and the next step after this next question was if that's what you believe about the surgeon's knife why don't you believe that about the knives and forks in your own kitchen that you use to eat food from why wouldn't you use soap when washing the knife and fork and plate that you eat from it's the same principle at work here right you get you get different you get different respond to do real so you're right I'm doing this with live comments the excuses people make the the so-called you know natural hygiene people they'll say things like Oh wha but I don't have any acne you're gonna choose your surgeon on the basis of who has acne and who doesn't really I don't give a [ __ ] that you don't have acne homeboy I don't I'm sorry it's completely irrelevant whether or not you have acne in peels oh but I don't smell bad you can choose the surgeon based on who completely spurious okay I mean people are fishing his stuff like open it but I place Oh we'll have to beat you so the deeper point here is yes when you're thinking these things through when your reasoning them through it's actually really important and worthwhile to work through all the ramifications to implications of what actually refusing soap would entail what actually um a civilization without soap would entail and isn't just that you believe that you can scrape by and not smell awful and not have acne without using soap or do you actually want to overturn the progress of science and you know you have to adjust your attitude accordingly as well as just your Loughran I remember with this one guy talk to you face to face I am I then that he was married and I asked him very simply what about your wife you know what you know urinary tract infections are for a woman you know what female hygiene because you're married and he got real uncomfortable I mean I could tell right away they have experience with this most human beings do it's like you're telling me that you put your hands inside your wife's vagina and you haven't washed your hands with soap you do that on a regular basis really you cool that I at the hospital would not let a doctor touch that part of my wife's body with hands that are not washed okay like wife girlfriend whatever it's very serious business and you can't say urinary tract infection you just make someone's life miserable for a couple of days nobody wants to go through that I remember I think it was at that point conversation this guy said to me that he had gone on vacation in India and where he was in India nobody uses soap and they're all happy and healthy right like Oh case closed whoa man whoa you brought whoa you brought evidence to this debate but at that time fresh in my mind were a lot of experiences related to humanitarian work third-world hygiene conditions and type of suffering and death that from having water that's not clean hands that are not clean food that's not clean in Laos Cambodia etc right I actually said I'll just take rest to mention this I remember there was a situation at a hospital in Laos and it was a serious hospital so the hospital that also had a kind of university attached to it so they did medical educator doctors they trained doctors as well as being hospital not a full university but was a combined hospital and teaching hospital set up and I met and spoke to the English teacher there the woman who taught the doctors how to read and speak English or improve their ability to read and speak English and as an exercise one day she asked them to write down in English what they thought were the top five causes of death in Laos at that time that year the current data and all these doctors because they used textbooks in the United States or England or France sorry I should mention they're the elite in Laos some of them still speak French some of them still read and write German so they're not all using American textbooks some of them are using German and French textbooks very rarely do you meet people using Russian it's kind of another story about what that is anyway they're using European and Western textbooks so they wrote down as the top five causes of death they were writing down heart attack obesity you know obesity related diseases like heart attack and stroke and what have you and then she said nope and she gave them you know a photocopied printout of what the actual leading causes of death were and guess what number one of the list was you know it's these third world diseases like waterborne illnesses aka diarrhea you know there are really serious terrible diseases in countries like Laos and Cambodia and Thailand and India that are spread by not washing your hand and they can kill you but the vast majority of the time they just make you very very uncomfortable for two weeks okay and they're no joke you think tropical diarrhea is a joke do you think being bedridden or hospitalized the tropical diarrhea Zadro it's not you think even the the chromium parasitic ones the parasitic infections you can get by not washing us they're horrible you don't want to live through that you want to wash your hands you want to get with this soap and hygiene thing we got going on in joints trust me the amount of physical suffering you can go through it even the the totally non-fatal non-life-threatening tropical parasitic conditions so people soap is better than us this guy says to me flashing back this conversation out with a vegan who doesn't use so he says he was in India and nobody there used soap and everyone was happy and had no health problems this is like the acne thing well I looked at they didn't add oh they look good you should got no acne so you must be healthy and you know I said to him how dare you have you ever looked once at a government report from India about the number of people who die every year from conditions that could be avoided by washing your hands have you looked once not at the fatalities again many of these conditions are not fatal or they're not fit almost time about how many hospital beds are taken up with people bedridden ill with conditions like diarrhea what have you in these parasitic infections have you taken any time whatsoever to look at the endemic disease profile of India and the unbelievable suffering people go through every day every year and how much that problem could be improved through using soap and probably I mean India I'm not an expert and probably the efforts of the Government of India to educate people on using soap when they wash their hands when they wash their dishes when they wash their forks and knives and when they wash their food you know even fruits and vegetables you gotta wash them but I've really said to him with real passion and my voice that time because I just come out of doing research and flossing about I said how dare you you're spitting on the deaths and suffering of millions of people and why are you doing it to glorify a soap free lifestyle like who are you helping by building up this myth that a life without soap is superior to a life with soap if you really believe you can live without soap then when you go to a restaurant you'd say hey you know what this cup is too clean can you give me a glass that wasn't cleaned with soap I'd prefer that that would be better okay and when you go to the hospital you'd say no I know I don't want I don't want any of these you know I don't want you to use a syringe that's clean I don't want you to use knives when you're doing surgery on me no no I don't want a scalp that's been clean this oh no you're against soap and you would be again it may be a gross example to you but you'd be handling your wife's vagina your girlfriend's vagina without washing your hands and then you'd be dealing with all kinds of horrible infections that way there may be easier to see the cause and effect then with you know what you eat leading to illness and so on if you go back and watch my older videos on Buddhism one of the simple things I said about Buddhism is why did I leave the religion there are a lot of good things about Buddhism a lot I did not want to be part of a religion that was built on a lie within veganism I do not want to be part of a political movement that's built on a lie it's true it's very important to be moderate when you're looking at action when you're looking at intervention when you're looking at military options but we do not want to be moderate in our reasoning you don't you don't say oh no no no we're not gonna look at extreme examples like parasites and communicable diseases and surgery and how to run a restaurant we're only gonna look at whether or not freelee the banana girl says that her hair and acne improved since you stopped we're only gonna use examples from moderate range that doesn't include scary diseases operating theaters and hospitals or how you run a restaurant through it no in the process of reasoning we have to encompass and examine all of the extreme examples and you know what that may include a minority of the population who have problems with acne because they're allergic to soap or they're allergic to their perfumes in their soap those may have a real scientific basis also broken watch is still Right twice a day I think there are some people who have legitimate allergies or other health problems for why they struggle with using soap in our soap dominated modern world but don't try to [ __ ] me son because I am NOT going to be part of a political movement it's based on a lie not a lie about eating unlimited calories though gaining weight not a lie about garlic being a neurotoxin not a lie about finding a cure for Crohn's disease and not a lie about soap