"You Can't Take Criticism!" Boo-Hoo.

05 November 2017 [link youtube]


(1) There's the topic of constructive criticism, (2) then there's the topic of responding to criticism constructively, but this video is, in fact, about (3) the question of how to constructively deal with someone else handling criticism poorly. And, sure, I guess that some of the examples are drawn from a number of known-names in "vegan drama". :-/


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this is not a drama video this is not
about or against any other vegan YouTube or what-have-you but the shallow short-term reason for me thinking to make this video just enter my head what I was out buying these vegan buns vegan buns with chopped up steamed potato yeah potato in the middle not much else potato and some spices and herbs and spun it yeah what dr. Greger would approve isn't dr. Greg urban potatoes dr. Fuhrman would approve one of the one of the biggest one of you get dr. or another would approve some of them are really pro potato you know anyway what was out getting these potatoes from our girlfriend okay the short term of this room you think about this was this kind of insult people throw in my face again and again that I'm really bad at taking criticism and whenever I've tried to engage those people including like anonymous troll to have written back saying like well you know maybe you have a point but have you actually looked at these videos and sometimes I've asked them just look at the videos they're claiming they've watched in the first place like whatever I said about Nina and Randa and it's like well based on what you're saying here it sounds like you never actually saw the video you don't want my point is maybe you heard what you know vegan she just said about it with Charles marbles maybe you heard some other rumor but it looks like you haven't even watched the video you're complaining but and when I say oh but you know I actually do have videos some long format videos really responding to criticism have you actually looked at any of those have you considered or maybe it's misapprehensions about the unnatural vegan thing so one of my one of my superfans is now making a kind of remix like it's not a documentary a remix of clips about the history of my comfortable with the natural vegan but it's like well look I don't I'm not gonna say I'm perfect but you know did you actually see what happened in this conflict and how I responded the criticism so like you know I made really substantive videos like okay you disagree with me about domestication of animals you disagree with me about dog castration you disagree with me about the concept of having happy cows in your backyard producing happy cow milk you know unnatural vegan argues that you can still eat eggs under certain circumstances you can still drink cow milk under certain circumstances you know blah blah blah blah blah but these people never once never once has the comes beyond that you know whether it was nor vegan or an anonymous troll around no never once is one of those people it's like coming down on me so hard because I can't take criticism just like shown an interest in what they were they brought the conversation to me like I didn't start the conversation but they were supposedly interested in having a conversation with this stuff and then the interest is gone so you know a lot of people are bad at responding to criticism and in the university in the academic setting I've seen a lot with that behavior and I don't leap to the conclusion that someone's a narcissist or a psychopath or what-have-you one of my professors in the past at an undisclosed university in Canada he and I ended up becoming close friends I'm gonna say his name was Mike it's not a real name but this professor of my name named Mike so there's my first time ever being in the classroom with him and the whole University program was supposed to be providing you with a survey of courses in Asian Studies now what does Asian Studies mean that's really debatable right but among other obvious flaws with these these survey courses was that none of them even mentioned India there wasn't one book chapter at a one book on India was like their definition of Asia was just China Japan and those outer islands because I mention we had this one professor special it's like Polynesia and Micronesia that was it that that was Asia and Japan's a pretty huge part of that history so this professor it's his first class of that semester you know he's teaching the class in this in this survey course and he says that Asian Studies began after World War two in Chicago and California like universe like University of Chicago and some universities California they started the station saying after World War two and I put my hand up and I said I'm sorry were you checking your teeth was Casey think there was a punch line um I said I'm sorry but you know more than a hundred years before that we had really major disciplines for Asian Studies in Germany in England even in Switzerland like have you heard of Sanskrit have you heard of India like Europe European study of Asia began way before the end of World War two of course you can go back another century before that too you can get into like manuscripts in the Vatican but Jesuit researchers going to China and writing about Chinese history and oh the Portuguese they go way back Portuguese records and Spanish records if they're voyages up to Asia on the start of that that era of European contact Corey if you want you to go back to ancient Greece that's kind of another story contacts between Europe and Asia and in the greco-roman period Greece and Rome but within the Dark Ages to present period there's all there's a lot there but in this case and I had some that stuff fresh in my mind I was able to make named some of those scholars and linguists from Germany and and Switzerland and stuff or England too of course but you know there's a lot more of this history and it's also a lot more to Asia Asia is not just Japan China Asia is definitely not just Polynesia and Micronesia you know these courses are leaving an Indian town so you can see this isn't this isn't an ad hominem criticism is not a criticism of the professor he freaked out you know he could not handle it at all I could go as far to say he had a you know he had a real meltdown in class I was very very difficult time for me in terms of my divorce and my not seeing my daughter is a really dark time in my life and I remember I remember how I felt at the time too I mean this kind of strange spit I wouldn't describe myself as depressed it was just a time of tremendous sorrow and misery for me and I don't I don't take that out of other people I like when I'm unhappy for some other I don't take it out on you I may not have many redeeming qualities but that's one I you know I keep I keep my feelings salient to the problems that generate this that feelings like I don't get mad at her if my ex-wife is treating me like crap or something if I have a conflict with my ex-wife or my mom or my dad or something and you know I sympathize but actually pretty much everyone I've ever been in a relationship they do do that like my other ex-girlfriends or whatever if they had accomplished something else and they you know they get mad I sympathize but it's an important discipline you know not to do that anyway so remember sitting there and this guy me no he's a professor he's gonna grade me or whatever's in a position of power and I remember you know he was so angry and you know obvious a latent leader I can understand why he was so angry and in a sense insecure he was freaking because he couldn't handle this this criticism and I remember sitting there like you know just reflecting like I feel nothing like this isn't scary to me this isn't intimidating to me having this professor you know screaming at me it was happened during I was havin after class a state FX stiff class for like an hour we talked for like an hour after class and the beginning he was absolutely freaking out I just sat there and took it replied fasciatus tough talk for like an hour so on it it was by the end of it yes she had tremendous respect for me he was finding it about cuz you know he started off just screaming at me like semi was destroying his class and he ended it saying look you're way too advanced for this class you should do a special independent study course instead of taking this class and he ended it by having this respect for me and then he started calling me up try to make appointments to speak to me he wanted me to kind of give him history lectures about the history of Myanmar he was interesting to me in Marylebone on his air of expertise but history Cambodia in Southeast Asia he recognized that I knew a lot more than most people with PhDs about some of these specific issues in areas and that he wanted to you know he wanted to pick my brain where he want to say he wanted to you know I wanted to get something so he went on with time he and I we did become I think you could say close personal friends to give an example I talked to him about my divorce and he talked to me about his divorce you know it progressed from there a lot of people respond by leaving criticism it doesn't mean they're a narcissist it doesn't mean they're a psychopath doesn't mean they're a bad person in terms of this professor Mike Yeo I guess would say I later found out because it became her later friend about the sources of stress and misery in his life at that time and why probably he was unhappy and you know feeling insecure over there was one other time well after we became friends when he really lost his temper with me and then later he apologized he explained you know kind of what was on his plate what everyone say what he was was going but me you know I've said this so many times lately you know sympathy is an analytical tool if you're interested in understanding who this person is and what they're doing okay so they they respond badly to criticism even when maybe it's their job to take criticism like you know if you talk about something that's on top in an academic setting yeah these people being paid to present ideas and hear counter ideas and deal with criticism and and be alerted to an address holes and you know flaws and what they're saying about history criticism is is you know that that's that's read the real meaning of academic freedom is the freedom of each party to criticize the other and for us to try to make some kind of progress I can't even say scientific progress but some kind of progress through that mutual scrutiny you know you know so was a lot of these charges people against me what I gotta say is look even if you were a hundred percent right I'm not wrong like it wouldn't be wrong for me to be upset it wouldn't be wrong for me to handle criticism poorly and I'm not gonna claim I'm I'm perfect but what I see on the internet and obviously it's not just me this is a mass phenomenon is I've found some fault in you I found some flaw in you and therefore I can completely dismiss you I can completely to humanize you I can completely write you off I can refuse to listen to you that's a big one even by email when people say forget it I'm not reading this email I'm not listen to anything you say to me I've gotta get it again and you know think about how worse much worse my whole situation would be if with that Professor I'd respond it that way if I just said to him what you can't handle criticism and walked out of the room if I said well you can handle criticism your behaviors deplorable you know I'm not even gonna listen to you I'm sure in this town where I'm reporting you I could have I could have reported to the Ombudsman or made the complaints at this professor you notice that online you know if somebody can't take criticism what does that really mean you know what what does that really mean we saw that video this is this is really on topic we saw that video from a young female youtuber and she talked about going on a date with a guy and he made a passing reference a really brief reference to her being a little bit more chubby in real life than she was in the photographs she gave in the first place it wasn't even criticism it was not even attending to criticism she told the whole story of the scenario and that was it she kicked him out of her car on the side of the road that date was over and she got out with him once the choice before I forget which and she was like that's it what she never talked to him again you know now okay so she can't take criticism she can you know I'm not trying to demonize the boy I'm not trying to demonize the girl but there are two people in their 20s who are out on a date trying to get to know each other maybe trying to fall in love with each other whatever and it all went terribly wrong because she can't take criticism it's probably probably reason why you know what probably you know in terms of her struggles with their weight or her struggles with men or her feeling that this guy that she really liked him and he never gave her enough of a positive indication that he really liked her you know what I mean like a lack of just that sense of confidence in what they're doing in dating you know that is this a real relationship at all or you know and sure a lot of people would feel like hey I don't wanna have to live up to this photograph of me that's on the internet you know I want you to love me for who I am I want you to think I'm beautiful for who I am not because of those photographs in the night and it may say enough topic loosely but I think a lot of professors want to say I want you to appreciate me for who I am NOT for this idea you might have because of my PhD or because of that book I published it because they say you know I think there was something living living up to your own hype I have some expectations because your PhD in Asian Studies I was just gonna say on that same topic we watched a another YouTube video about a girl who lost a lot of weight and she said that she used to edit her photos on dating apps to make herself look like a nerd like but she never felt that way when she actually met somebody she never said like you know if they if they'd told her like oh you're you're you're more weight than you look and you're in your photo she didn't feel the pensive oh yeah not at all like so just you know they're both young women in their 20s you know it's it's not it's not just endemic to young women in their 20s obviously you're talking about it was a professor's you know people people can be defensive about anything people can be unreasonable about anything but then the questions okay so now now the balls in my court this professor is being unreasonable or this young woman I'm dating is being unreasonable whatever the situation is but I'm gonna be reasonable I'm gonna find it in me to have the strength and self-discipline to be reasonable for my part so I'm confident that what I'm doing is is good and you know if people take criticism badly which I you know I may be guilty of none of the people I've ever addressed they never sent me an example of this I I know it sounds ridiculous but you know in every case I was like oh well here's what I actually said with Nina right here's what I actually said with a natural vegan here's the link to the video about this that anything but I'm not perfect I mean so we did our long discussion with Josh aka vegan revolution horrible conversation the guy was it was a horse's ass with me I don't think I'm perfect but you know you do better you can watch that video and ask yourself if you had this guy hanging you insulting you asking you personal questions about your mom and your dad and just everything that's a pillar you insult you I look back at that and think well you know I did okay I accepted criticism I responded to criticism and I mean the only point he wanted to debate you know he dropped as soon as I replied to it so I've kind of interesting himself but he wanted to attack me for daring to criticize other youtubers I talked about the meaningful role of critique in the progress of a political movement and it was done so look my point is not that that's a sterling example of how to handle criticism but I don't think Donald Trump has ever been interviewed by someone as hostile as you know vegan revolution was toward me and that's that's not the way he interviewed bite size vegan or any of the other people he's interviewed in his channel it was an extraordinarily hostile and insulting interview and I would like to say I didn't sink to his level I tried to respond to these things factually and and I kept encouraging him to take on a more positive tone and offering tea I'm not I'm not perfect and so you know I also admit openly when I get upset and nominees pills oh this doesn't upset me you know we're talking about the controversies whether unnatural being or otherwise I say yeah you know this this is what upset me but you know if people can't take criticism your role is not to turn around and diagnosed them with a serious psychiatric illness for that reason is ridiculous you know your role isn't to dehumanize them and marginalize them is just dismiss them I think your role is to try to find some positive way forward and for me and that one professor we both found it we both benefit a lot out of that relationship we both moved on