Vegan "Purity": Collaborating with Hunters to Save the Hunted, etc.

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abstract philosophical questions in a way on a large scale in terms of the future of you but it also matters in our personal lives conversations we have everyday conflicts we with have to figure out a way out of of course the heading of political philosophy where example kick off this video you may or may face to face with a meat-eater or over the where the meat-eater is saying to you with like where the meteor says to you how can all you're talking about is food all right implicit contrast here between really important the United States bombing Iraq the progress and this category of merely personal preferences purity so from the meteors perspective in this scenario from the meteors perspective kosher diet because they're both ultimately food and on a deeper level it's just talking to you look I have some tolerance for hearing diet or a Buddhist diet but bottom line to of real philosophy real politics real social whether it's the bombing of Mosul what what unions protesting for higher wages raising set of examples they happen to care about this channel sympathy is especially important for vegans to sympathize the other side and they perceive us as people that way and why trying to engage with and address in that meat eaters perceive our movement that way been actively packaging and promoting veganism lose weight feel great have fewer heart attacks kind of thing and then a step beyond that in pseudo spiritual terms where it does indeed to resemble a Hindu diet a purity based mentality impacting more vegans although some vegans of personal purity purification detoxing etc who think about the significance and importance we're in an unexamined way the issue of identity is about purity here's an example that right who go around arguing primarily to other vegans like this is this isn't outreach this isn't internal issue within because vegans who argue that you're not really vegan if you eat blueberries of course blueberries a vegan what's the argument United States rely so heavily on honeybees almonds in the production of blueberries should production of honey and honey from honeybees look at the production of cow milk as being that produces leather and veal and of course with several different stages of production they may be very sincere and telling you that almond milk they may not be doing this in this in a spiritual sense at all they may know they may use the language of ecology for the you know indirect ecological consequences this in a completely down-to-earth way but actually is a problem of thinking of veganism is my conceptual way of explaining people on a diagram the one person as a consumer and then you're thinking of a circle drawn around the point the diagram of how much ecological to be more and more pure to more and more or ethical negative negative ethical impacts or not it's expressed in terms of purity the house paint a lot of paint and glue products these things come to the fore because the to this title that defines personal purity you can to shrink down the ecological and choices of your diet their choices. they don't believe in buying furniture or out of recycled garbage repurposed materials and this harms the environment and so on with personal purity just the other day I think just yesterday a lot of issues my vegans another youtuber organizer and my vegan I have a lot in common her on specific issues and I make those videos points of disagreement but you gotta realize about two weeks ago she and I did a Skype with Internet that lasted fully two hours started at midnight and I hung up at 2 a.m. that night. of issues we agree about and I could make those interesting just really summarizing to us where you know we were both really a we're actually gonna organize vegan movements practical questions about what are we doing and some of the more more theoretical and know I do agree with mod vegan on a huge range I got an email from Maude and she was saying pro purity camp this purity based approach a pragmatist a camp in which she would include we've got to get back to doing a book review its kind of part one but we me and my girlfriend so those are interesting kind of dissident Tobias later on to her saying well you know it's been a long quite a few videos and a couple of podcasts about this at length and I listed off all camp if anything I'm kind of an aunty purity here look what is the problem in practice an association like Ducks Unlimited that hunts group that openly engages in fur trapping a charity and do a conservation based project saving a certain plot of land saving a certain let's say a certain watershed are you willing eat meat and that may be actively engage in is in principle yes in practice maybe. I could collaborate with hunters I'm actually the definition of veganism very seriously, think it’s about purity, but I say well it's not flexible either you're vegan or you're not here's the collaboration here's the common build on it right. I mean 98% of the potential support you can are of course with meat eaters and quite possibly or Laos or Canada I mean most of the crucial officials our guard and bureaucrats would monkey here in yunnan right on the border to its last couple of trees of habitat that's the you know the camera panned over the last existing in the wild but other than that they know ultimately funded by donations by people this species of monkey from the the brink cute a very endearing very harmless looking heart-rending to see them in zoos or to see “They’re in the forest, in [Chinese] sell them” “[There is a] monkey market” do the fundraising, we all know it's easier ugly animals, it's easier to do fundraising the same way humans do, that breastfeed their the struggle of this family of monkeys to it's easier to do fundraising for that then not so cute, but nevertheless with a project we only work with other vegans, how can you sit down and have lunch with and hammer out officials, are current members of the Communist members the government though that's absolutely and then beyond that any other ecological species conservation habitat conservation quite likely they're gonna be involved in you find morally objectionable. is easy for you guys to imagine in a place cooperation with a group that engages in hunting as simple as a fundraising event at which want to sell barbecued pork right let's look we can't do this joint fundraiser you guys have to openly say we're against it you know as simple as a barbecue pork fundraiser which the Cancer Foundation to see the counselor barbecues to raise money for cancer research try to cure answer it's ridiculous. to that kind of cooperation but in practice simple as they may be that may make cooperation counter to the purity mentality because the best vegan I can be which is understandable pursuit of a personal identity a personal as a vegan and my view of veganism is about other people reaching out to other groups to have the maximum impact on real world outcomes a particular forest it may be getting a particular new law you know it may be a lawsuit against a lawsuit that's gonna draw attention to these issues we hail look if we get our money together can prove that this slaughterhouse is poisoning take it to court take it to the press we can to talk about the ecological responsibility broadly the meat industry great that's what maximum social change to ultimately make the of society a better place. maybe it is just help one species of dolphin of land and maybe doing that involves a lot that run counter to my own moral code my own my hands dirty I want to roll up my sleeves or personal perfection to impede my ability far beyond me and do not just involve my ever impacts in the world whether that be almonds issue and the indirect honey depression issue too long if you guys want to hear about that a separate video talk about that because during we actually did talk about that at some length here is between the purity mentality and the the pursuit of personal purity I'm vegan in