Vegan Ava: Durianrider's Last "True Believer".
08 June 2018 [link youtube]
Even "the last of the true believers" have lost their faith in Durianrider / Freelee / RT4 / etc. etc. For a more meaningful exploration of the issues, I'd recommend my (old, but in-depth) video, "the wonder that was Freelee", reflecting on why it was that so many people became devoted to
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homework on you so when they meet you in person they can have the assessment already made up if you're a [ __ ] person or you're a crazy person when people look back on this brief chapter in the history of the vegan movement it will not be difficult for them to understand the baser motives involved it will not be difficult for them to understand some of the abelian silliness involved what's difficult to understand even now in reflecting on the last five years was that those baser motives were at every moment at every stage tied to such absurd levels of high-handed haughty self-righteousness it's not difficult to understand why someone like vegan Ava would quit her job sell her furniture and move to northern Thailand all kinds of people do it without being a member of a cult without being a member of a political social ecological movement like veganism all kinds of people decide to quit their jobs and move to Thailand and go on vacation or retire or belong as I like to say permanent vacation that's what she decided you it's not surprising in and of itself that she would through the influence of not just social media but say reality television and the other kind of crass cultural products she's was that she would get it into her head that she create a silly YouTube channel and start asking for donations and I don't know just feature her own reckless stupid behavior in revealing clothes and think that this would pay her rent pay her bills these things are not surprising regarded in isolation indeed they seem to be endemic to 21st century culture what's bizarre in this case is that they were linked to this sense of ethical self righteousness and gravitas and that really is what makes so many of my fellow vegans laughable laughable even to me even within the vegan movement and we can and should laugh at them we can ensure criticise them we can and should excoriate them and we can and should as I did in my letters that I wrote directly to Ava we can and should try to guide them back onto a more productive path within veganism and for the future than now also now the solid people people can put on the character on YouTube your way you can pretend you're really a nice person but in real life you're a real [ __ ] [ __ ] and the same with May up generally pretend I'm an [ __ ] on camera but you do a lot a bit more legit Eva I've always been willing to talk and I needed it I wrote you again and again as there's a fight if you wanted to we can do a Skype call and not even mention durianrider on some level you also are a person who wanted to promote veganism and save the planet you said unforgivable things against me but I keep offering and a lot of people also say that you by saying that he's a PETA file and stuff like that they would damaged his reputation but to me it seems like what kind of reputation like she replies what you want to talk about I start to reply here it's your choice and I think there were a few different options for you to consider strategically she writes back already I don't think we have anything in common one we could have a totally positive conversation just about vegan activism wanting to save the planet etc with minimal reference to your past negative experience during writer or none at all and it feels pretty amazing to me that everyone in the vegan movement just forgot so quickly was everything you and really like has done for the vegan like they forgot like so quickly and just well after one mistake anyone can do one mistake yeah - we could have a positive conversation that deals with your changing understanding of veganism ie letting on what you believe before you became a dairy writer follower and what you believe now look Ava I appreciate that you deleted your old videos the total lies about me you are now aware that I always told you the truth about the core case about my sex life about everything and you are aware that during Ryder lied to you about everything you can say we don't have anything in common well we're both passionate about the future of the vegan movement we have that in common positively and negatively we have past experience but writer etc for more than two years you have learned you have grown through your experience with that side of veganism you figured out eventually the during writer was lying to you and that I was telling the truth that is indeed something we haven't covered I have a dotted line here at the top just showing that there was a pause a little bit of time passed and she hadn't replied and this is a bit of a change of a change of topic IVA I've said all these things positively cooperatively again and again for years I was always willing to show you legal documents or other proof when you were being unreasonable but you were never willing to listen you have never apologized to me I know you deleted those videos but the truth is you really do owe me an apology you said unforgivable things about me but my daughter but my status as a parent about my sex life etc etc you are now aware that during Ryder lied to you so many times and in so many ways have you never thought about sending me an apology not even one sentence so here comes that apology I'm sorry for what I said when I was brainwashed and manipulated by him he tricked all his followers well here I have being magnanimous about it I can sympathize I know what it's like to be lied to I know what it's like to be manipulated life is long I hope we can both be doing more positive things in the next five years I'll be in Paris France less than one month now if you want excuse to visit Paris we can meet in real life otherwise I say again fundamentally we both want to save the planet we both want to do something positive for the future of the vegan movement there was a time when I joked that of all the people who lined up to condemn me and to defend during Ryder's indefensible version of events home that not a single one of them had ever apologized to me well as the years have gone past now a few have apologized to me and in many cases it was indeed in the context of my writing with them and more or less demanding vegan Ava was one of the most passionate adherents of the durianrider cult I did like to imagine I'd like to imagine that she was motivated by wanting to save the planet wanted to make the world a better place wanting to advance the vegan cause but if we were to ask ourselves critically why did this woman believe so passionately in Tyrian writers message when there was nothing convincing about the messenger and nothing really positive of the message why did this woman quit her job pack up all her belongings and move to Shanghai Thailand we all have to admit that there is a careerist element to it there is a sense in which she was motivated by money she believes many of during writers promises and she now regrets that saying machine she regrets she felt she feels that she was brainwashed and what have you and she now feels that she's escaped from this cult or whatever this cult-like set of beliefs she was never a member of an actual cult that actually existed anywhere but anyway a youtube cult in the digital era you know more and more of these things neither exists in bricks and mortar nor exists on paper they only exist on the internet and in the imaginations of their followers but she was a passionate follower and she definitely believed that if she followed during writers instructions the money would come pouring in that she would be able to go on vacation in Thailand permanently what I like to call the permanent vacation the people would support her on patreon that she would have enough success on YouTube etc that this would become her full-time job and yes a little fragment of that dream was that she'd be promoting and supporting veganism as a movement but I think it would be insincere if we pretended that this was someone who was first and foremost a vegan activist and only secondarily or tertiary a Fame [ __ ] because that is what during writers Emma was durianrider was a Fame [ __ ] himself and he went off trying to recruit other people to become Fame [ __ ] and people like vegan Ava signed up for it thinking about guys oh you know I'm not gonna try to recount the whole thing I still have a couple videos Responder there's one where the title is just lies lies lies all caps lies lies lies respondent vegan IVA kept telling lies about me she told lies about my private sex life about my divorce about my relationship with my daughter but my status as a parent about my career she told lies claiming that I was a scam artist that I was running a fraud I mean really really horrible stuff in terms of my employability in terms of my moral and ethical character she claimed that my court case was fake there was all this paperwork to show that it wasn't fake she made all these ridiculous and possible support claims and part of my response was look if you just talk to me I can show you the evidence I can tell you the truth the situation is not hard to figure out and the facts are not hard to verify but people like her were not addressed in the facts they were arrested insane they were interested in money they were interested in trying to court the attention flattery and support of someone like durianrider which got her nowhere didn't build up a great career for on YouTube but but I'd also say you know there's this fundamental thing where they thought it was in their interest to be unreasonable it's that's a really underrated virtue you know being reasonable and the little little bit of fame they got the little potential taste of internet started they got they thought the road to fame and stardom and success was taking small conflicts and turning them into huge conflicts by being trenchant and unreasonable and it's a sad thing the baser motives of these people are in no way surprising what did vegan evil want out of this scenario why did she move to Thailand in the first place why did she become a durianrider imitator ordering right her clone in the first place fame money power respect physical beauty and vitality you know sex so sure sex was part of it too I know Avis specifically on an antenatal is kick butt you know she went there to at least get a new boyfriend and to use her sex appeal such as it may be on YouTube to get a lot of attention you can scroll through her videos see the kind of videos you made under that having those those motives are are very easy to understand we know what makes all of this darker and more dangerous and more ugly by far is the element of religiosity the self-righteousness that ran bone-deep with these people it's not just the case that vegan Ava believed durian writers lies she made up her own it's beautifully I know about situations where I mean she was talking to Julia board she was talking to other people she was in touch with Joe best and Julia board all these people who knew the truth situation and who told her the truth but she didn't want to see it what she clung to was her own sense of self-righteousness and that's I mean you know that's way more dangerous I mean that's that's that witch-hunt mentality and I think for years she really felt she was on a witch-hunt against me she felt she was on a self-righteous moral crusade to expose me as a quote/unquote scam artist that was what her videos claimed to expose me as a deadbeat parents and all these terrible things she made this up in her mind and what we're left with is the ridiculous contrast between these peoples you know unbelievable over-the-top sense of their own moral purpose in life and the deeply immoral reality of the role they played in this short lived sheen full cult that existed within veganism and that dragged the name of this movement through the mud YouTube people will it they can do the home lock on you so when they meet you in person they can have the assessment already made up if you're a legit person or you're a crazy person
homework on you so when they meet you in person they can have the assessment already made up if you're a [ __ ] person or you're a crazy person when people look back on this brief chapter in the history of the vegan movement it will not be difficult for them to understand the baser motives involved it will not be difficult for them to understand some of the abelian silliness involved what's difficult to understand even now in reflecting on the last five years was that those baser motives were at every moment at every stage tied to such absurd levels of high-handed haughty self-righteousness it's not difficult to understand why someone like vegan Ava would quit her job sell her furniture and move to northern Thailand all kinds of people do it without being a member of a cult without being a member of a political social ecological movement like veganism all kinds of people decide to quit their jobs and move to Thailand and go on vacation or retire or belong as I like to say permanent vacation that's what she decided you it's not surprising in and of itself that she would through the influence of not just social media but say reality television and the other kind of crass cultural products she's was that she would get it into her head that she create a silly YouTube channel and start asking for donations and I don't know just feature her own reckless stupid behavior in revealing clothes and think that this would pay her rent pay her bills these things are not surprising regarded in isolation indeed they seem to be endemic to 21st century culture what's bizarre in this case is that they were linked to this sense of ethical self righteousness and gravitas and that really is what makes so many of my fellow vegans laughable laughable even to me even within the vegan movement and we can and should laugh at them we can ensure criticise them we can and should excoriate them and we can and should as I did in my letters that I wrote directly to Ava we can and should try to guide them back onto a more productive path within veganism and for the future than now also now the solid people people can put on the character on YouTube your way you can pretend you're really a nice person but in real life you're a real [ __ ] [ __ ] and the same with May up generally pretend I'm an [ __ ] on camera but you do a lot a bit more legit Eva I've always been willing to talk and I needed it I wrote you again and again as there's a fight if you wanted to we can do a Skype call and not even mention durianrider on some level you also are a person who wanted to promote veganism and save the planet you said unforgivable things against me but I keep offering and a lot of people also say that you by saying that he's a PETA file and stuff like that they would damaged his reputation but to me it seems like what kind of reputation like she replies what you want to talk about I start to reply here it's your choice and I think there were a few different options for you to consider strategically she writes back already I don't think we have anything in common one we could have a totally positive conversation just about vegan activism wanting to save the planet etc with minimal reference to your past negative experience during writer or none at all and it feels pretty amazing to me that everyone in the vegan movement just forgot so quickly was everything you and really like has done for the vegan like they forgot like so quickly and just well after one mistake anyone can do one mistake yeah - we could have a positive conversation that deals with your changing understanding of veganism ie letting on what you believe before you became a dairy writer follower and what you believe now look Ava I appreciate that you deleted your old videos the total lies about me you are now aware that I always told you the truth about the core case about my sex life about everything and you are aware that during Ryder lied to you about everything you can say we don't have anything in common well we're both passionate about the future of the vegan movement we have that in common positively and negatively we have past experience but writer etc for more than two years you have learned you have grown through your experience with that side of veganism you figured out eventually the during writer was lying to you and that I was telling the truth that is indeed something we haven't covered I have a dotted line here at the top just showing that there was a pause a little bit of time passed and she hadn't replied and this is a bit of a change of a change of topic IVA I've said all these things positively cooperatively again and again for years I was always willing to show you legal documents or other proof when you were being unreasonable but you were never willing to listen you have never apologized to me I know you deleted those videos but the truth is you really do owe me an apology you said unforgivable things about me but my daughter but my status as a parent about my sex life etc etc you are now aware that during Ryder lied to you so many times and in so many ways have you never thought about sending me an apology not even one sentence so here comes that apology I'm sorry for what I said when I was brainwashed and manipulated by him he tricked all his followers well here I have being magnanimous about it I can sympathize I know what it's like to be lied to I know what it's like to be manipulated life is long I hope we can both be doing more positive things in the next five years I'll be in Paris France less than one month now if you want excuse to visit Paris we can meet in real life otherwise I say again fundamentally we both want to save the planet we both want to do something positive for the future of the vegan movement there was a time when I joked that of all the people who lined up to condemn me and to defend during Ryder's indefensible version of events home that not a single one of them had ever apologized to me well as the years have gone past now a few have apologized to me and in many cases it was indeed in the context of my writing with them and more or less demanding vegan Ava was one of the most passionate adherents of the durianrider cult I did like to imagine I'd like to imagine that she was motivated by wanting to save the planet wanted to make the world a better place wanting to advance the vegan cause but if we were to ask ourselves critically why did this woman believe so passionately in Tyrian writers message when there was nothing convincing about the messenger and nothing really positive of the message why did this woman quit her job pack up all her belongings and move to Shanghai Thailand we all have to admit that there is a careerist element to it there is a sense in which she was motivated by money she believes many of during writers promises and she now regrets that saying machine she regrets she felt she feels that she was brainwashed and what have you and she now feels that she's escaped from this cult or whatever this cult-like set of beliefs she was never a member of an actual cult that actually existed anywhere but anyway a youtube cult in the digital era you know more and more of these things neither exists in bricks and mortar nor exists on paper they only exist on the internet and in the imaginations of their followers but she was a passionate follower and she definitely believed that if she followed during writers instructions the money would come pouring in that she would be able to go on vacation in Thailand permanently what I like to call the permanent vacation the people would support her on patreon that she would have enough success on YouTube etc that this would become her full-time job and yes a little fragment of that dream was that she'd be promoting and supporting veganism as a movement but I think it would be insincere if we pretended that this was someone who was first and foremost a vegan activist and only secondarily or tertiary a Fame [ __ ] because that is what during writers Emma was durianrider was a Fame [ __ ] himself and he went off trying to recruit other people to become Fame [ __ ] and people like vegan Ava signed up for it thinking about guys oh you know I'm not gonna try to recount the whole thing I still have a couple videos Responder there's one where the title is just lies lies lies all caps lies lies lies respondent vegan IVA kept telling lies about me she told lies about my private sex life about my divorce about my relationship with my daughter but my status as a parent about my career she told lies claiming that I was a scam artist that I was running a fraud I mean really really horrible stuff in terms of my employability in terms of my moral and ethical character she claimed that my court case was fake there was all this paperwork to show that it wasn't fake she made all these ridiculous and possible support claims and part of my response was look if you just talk to me I can show you the evidence I can tell you the truth the situation is not hard to figure out and the facts are not hard to verify but people like her were not addressed in the facts they were arrested insane they were interested in money they were interested in trying to court the attention flattery and support of someone like durianrider which got her nowhere didn't build up a great career for on YouTube but but I'd also say you know there's this fundamental thing where they thought it was in their interest to be unreasonable it's that's a really underrated virtue you know being reasonable and the little little bit of fame they got the little potential taste of internet started they got they thought the road to fame and stardom and success was taking small conflicts and turning them into huge conflicts by being trenchant and unreasonable and it's a sad thing the baser motives of these people are in no way surprising what did vegan evil want out of this scenario why did she move to Thailand in the first place why did she become a durianrider imitator ordering right her clone in the first place fame money power respect physical beauty and vitality you know sex so sure sex was part of it too I know Avis specifically on an antenatal is kick butt you know she went there to at least get a new boyfriend and to use her sex appeal such as it may be on YouTube to get a lot of attention you can scroll through her videos see the kind of videos you made under that having those those motives are are very easy to understand we know what makes all of this darker and more dangerous and more ugly by far is the element of religiosity the self-righteousness that ran bone-deep with these people it's not just the case that vegan Ava believed durian writers lies she made up her own it's beautifully I know about situations where I mean she was talking to Julia board she was talking to other people she was in touch with Joe best and Julia board all these people who knew the truth situation and who told her the truth but she didn't want to see it what she clung to was her own sense of self-righteousness and that's I mean you know that's way more dangerous I mean that's that's that witch-hunt mentality and I think for years she really felt she was on a witch-hunt against me she felt she was on a self-righteous moral crusade to expose me as a quote/unquote scam artist that was what her videos claimed to expose me as a deadbeat parents and all these terrible things she made this up in her mind and what we're left with is the ridiculous contrast between these peoples you know unbelievable over-the-top sense of their own moral purpose in life and the deeply immoral reality of the role they played in this short lived sheen full cult that existed within veganism and that dragged the name of this movement through the mud YouTube people will it they can do the home lock on you so when they meet you in person they can have the assessment already made up if you're a legit person or you're a crazy person