No, it's not a scam: Durianrider, we've done this before.
01 August 2016 [link youtube]
vegan / vegans / veganism / Durianrider / Freelee / Chiang Mai / etc.
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I'm sorry during right I it's not a scam
I wish it was I wish I really wish I really wish I could say to durianrider right now you know what you got me it's a scam you and me should sit down and you know drink some caffeine free tea sometime and have a laugh about what a joke YouTube is and have a laugh about the future of veganism but I can't do it and if you can't do it either but obviously the actual allegations made against me would be emotionally devastating perhaps to the average person we could say to many people to most people I don't know at an earlier stage of this you may or may not have noticed if you read very carefully the text on screen in the earlier video I put up already showing you exactly what your mitre said you could have picked out the detail that at an earlier stage they were claiming that I was using a false name generally you know I found this hilarious and I showed them my passport although that's a completely unreasonable demand to make when you've threatened to beat someone up to abduct them when you've made threats of violence against someone and when you've really defamed them you really commit a defamation in the strict legal sense it's completely ridiculous for you to then say them oh yes and I need a favor could you could you provide me with your your passport number it would take another but you know as with many other things in that conversation they kept making a reasonable demands and I kept saying great let's do it you know they said they had a criminal case against me they wanted to arrest me and I said great let's go to the police station okay yeah okay you want to arrest me let's do it you want to put me in jail all right I'm game and all right away those things collapse in many many ways this has been a process of my calling the bluff of the other side now one of my catchphrases is that I'm not a nice guy and I don't even pretend to be a nice guy when I think someone is an idiot I do say they're an idiot but I think someone is wrong I say they're wrong many of you will have tuned into this video expecting me to call Julia Bohr the girl who's been denouncing me on the internet lately to call her an idiot I do not think she's an idiot I don't there are many videos in which she acts like a fool but I I actually do not think she's stupid what she is jealous of me because I can smash it as much rice and jam and sugar and whatever good stuff I can be a pizza without having a chopped-up Gill and knowing that I will be lean anyways in like a couple of years and then she will be staying there jealous knocking on her root echoes and be like [ __ ] this [ __ ] and she will still be sitting there under her blankets in front of her laptop writing rage comments excuse me where's my cucumber stop being frustrated [ __ ] just because I tell the truth and you [ __ ] know it I believe her age is 16 when I sent her an email I assumed she was 19 or older because I assumed her parents would not allow her to do the things she's been doing including like making trips to Thailand alone I don't know who lets their sixteen-year-old daughter go to Thailand I don't know probably if you by the end of this video you'll be convinced you shouldn't let your 1600 daughter have a have an iPhone or use the internet that mean you may ask yourself a lot of questions about parenting before this video but look I I don't think julia borer is an idiot and I'm not here to call her an idiot not at all those of you have watched some of her videos maybe shark and say well come on she's saying a lot of stupid stuff well she is very strongly influenced by what I've just mentioned this habitus there's a real anthropology term there's habitus popularized by freelee and durianrider of acting over-the-top attacking people denouncing people and starting fights over nothing over who's wearing too much makeup or some trivial thing instead of doing just up and talking about analyze someone's work find what's useful in it for you acknowledge the difference is compromise tolerance above all else tolerance and you know work for a better tomorrow right politically or even just socially isn't that what we all should be doing you know why are you going to Thailand are you going to Thailand to make friends going to Tallinn to make enemies going to this big vegan summit what are you going for even me I'm going to make friends I'm looking for people I can work with I want to know people 10 years from now that I met today for me it's a long game alright I'm not playing for an extra 1000 views this week or an extra 10,000 subscribers this month not my game I really want to build institutions I really want to change the world I've given so many examples of how attainable that is Mothers Against Drunk Driving or any of these other humble civil society organizations the gay rights advocacy groups that God organized God in office really changed the world sure I want to make something positive happen and I want to make it happen with you whoever you are watching this and you know Julie abort turns out she's 16 she's gonna grow up ten years from now she'll be 26 I see potential in her also to make a positive change in the world I really do I got no hate in my heart for I wasn't writing to her with any hatred in my mind either it's not the first time during Ryder has played this game even his core fans have now seen this played out again and again and you know in the English language we have a popular story called the boy who cried wolf you may have never heard of that story you may have grown up playing video games and have never heard the story of the boy who cried wolf but you know if you have a false alarm too many times people start to get suspicious and also people know me because I'm open and relaxed about the reality with my life is in this way but look so the current accusation it's now have shifted because one accusation after another has proven to be Hollow and baseless and I just replied in a kind of self confident open way oh okay you got criminal charges against me let's hear them let's go to the police station I'll meet you there no problem you don't have to arrest me I'll voluntarily go to the police station oh no there are no criminal charges okay so what do you want to do what's this about you know but just the concept of the website couchsurfing he's apparently exotic and strange enough to people that they can make this up so look I'll tell you about the website kerchief in a second so it's not super boring first let me just read you my profile here the about me page encourage them you can decide if this sounds to you like a tremendously sexy and appealing image that I'm portraying I mean you know hey takes all sorts about me vegan and then as the Chinese characters for vegan ie more strict than merely vegetarian that's the first thing in my description myself what does that tell you I am especially interested in meeting other vegans while I am in Thailand and while I am in China etc does this sound like a lie to you what do you think anyone who's watching even one video on my youtube channel what is your judgment my character does the sound wildly improbable you out are you shocked this is my my secret life on the Internet is that I try to meet us or faked it I have a YouTube channel period Oh 90% of it lately is talking about Incan Itza obviously I'm leading a double life here obviously this profile is a complete fiction and you know I mean there's just no resemblance the real me and you know my great secret has been discovered by these people were trying to denounce me what a shame how I participate in couchsurfing I use couchsurfing to meet other people with common interests you can't rely on chance to cross paths the people it's very true interests animals vegetarian vegan Buddhist boy I guess I should delete the Buddhist that's probably I probably had that tag I didn't notice since I was a Buddhist I'm now an ex Buddhist identify as an historical nihilist but anyway but oh but my nihilism comes out here you look decent books through Citadis then I have the Chinese name for the acidities and Herodotus but no I can't read Greek so you know among the people who are hating on me you know if you want to make a scandal why don't you take the time and energy and look into through Citadis and Herodotus one amazing thing I've done true story I'm in a remote village on the lao burmese border and some of the villagers are about to slaughter a pig the men who are sharpening the knife to slit the animal's throat request that i chant in pali the canonical language of buddhism so the pig will be reincarnated as a human being I laugh and I reply that they're asking the wrong question they should be asking me to chant so they won't be reborn as pigs true story did I mention that I'm vegan look guys if you're just vaguely familiar with my web presence on YouTube or otherwise none of this could be a shock or scandal to anyone now if you don't know like look let's say couchsurfing was a dating website it was a moment it's not it's not a dating web site but if it was so what you think I'd be ashamed of this you think I have something to hide with this profile really now I mean here's the problem with during writers influence her reply is and I quote what do you want from me eyes'll he's trying to turn during Ryder you got the wrong person mate [ __ ] off so you know you try but if that's the response you get Moon's right you know try anymore so my reply was simply to say Julia in five years you're gonna look back at this and laugh for yourself and I'm not talking about anything specific I'm not talking about her views on diet or politics or anything else specifically but the fact that you're the type of person who responds to an email like that by telling someone to [ __ ] off you know I think five years from now whatever age she was whatever age you will be I don't know you're gonna look back and laugh at yourself yes I'm going to laugh at the fact that I ever doubted this lifestyle and wasted my time on this shitty conversation I have oh I should mention by the way I'm only posting this publicly because she already did so this is not private correspondence anymore she slightly misrepresented what I said only slightly and she did post her own email publicly on her on her website so I'm not outing this private conversation she already went public with haha we all know you're not vegan as if you would you wouldn't go after the people who did more for the vegan movement than you ever did and ever well you're just a stupid [ __ ] and a hater who's jealous of Drs success when you go to chiang mai catch up with vegan Ava she's going to look like freely in a few months you really think veganism is about what you look like because I don't it's not like for me veganism is not about looking like freely it's not about looking like Patrick Stewart it's not about looking like anything it's it's really not freely and Harley help people change their life except for the lazy couch potato frustrated victims like Swayze Hannah or that other shake you interviewed who don't understand adapted thermogenesis haha there's no explanation point hereafter haha so I don't know she's really having fun anymore you know I've been writing essays about like you know mass murder in the history of China political history of Japan Russia I think about a lot of things my time I think about my own career I've been applying for jobs you know what I talked about within veganism also I'd like to think is actually much more substantive than this well meet my friends ride up steep climbs in the sunshine feeling amazing laughing and going for adventures best regards Julia I don't know where you got the idea that my life is boring I have had a very very interesting life and my life has included a long-distance cycling my life has included long-distance cycling in Thailand and long-distance cycling up steep climbs I went up one of the steepest I do a tap is a joke homeboy I went up [ __ ] Fah which is also known as Poochie fuh northern dialect issue there I went up so called blue Melton and I had to sleep at the Buddhist monastery at the top of that mountain does a hell of a story if I were to tell it I have known you know what's a real adventure to me a vacation is not an adventure to me doing humanitarian work is a real adventure to me real danger political danger putting your life on the line for something meaningful that's an adventure paying money to go on a ride at a theme park is not an adventure and paying money to go on vacation and ride a bicycle is not adventure but I mean you know I can remember it was risking my life back when I was doing humanitarian work I did just use a bicycle as a means of transport to get from one village to another and sometimes that was risking my life in some ways and there were some real adventures and some funny stories that came out of that and so on that was a that was when the last of the wild jungle was being cut down in the northwest of Laos and the Berner border with Myanmar today I assume that jungle is all gone and that was when the roads were not paved that's when you're talking about you know dirt roads logging trails third world conditions no electricity etc you know no drinking water you got to boil the water before I've had adventures and ironically I've had adventures in that part of Asia and I've had adventures involving bicycles but that was not the meaning of life for me I was doing humanitarian work I was doing language research was doing historical research I was doing NGO related research research related to the charity work you know applied research and you know I was also preparing myself for a lifetime of being a scholar and intellectual sinking a lot of time into everything from political history but also the history of Buddhism etc I was cultivating myself for career as a specialist and I now do not expect to ever have a career as a specialist so I don't know I don't know why you think my life is boring or that's lacked adventure or even that it's lacked long-distance cycling I think my long-distance cycling credentials are a lot better than yours actually Julia but hey you know welcome welcome to the club I have no concerns about her gaining weight or losing weight I see that stuff is easy and I think she can attain all her goals as an athlete no problem why not the problem what I see for her is is the ego trip is that cult-like effect that the durianrider and frilly thing has on her but I think she'll grow out of it you mean the last thing I said to her I sent one more message where I just said look I revise my estimate instead of saying you'll look back on this in five years and laugh I think you'll look back in five months and laugh and that's not an insult you know it's a compliment and a lot of people have gotten in touch with me through email through my patreon again sign up for my patreon for those discussions saying how much their view of the world changed in just one year becoming vegan already is a huge change in your view of the world and then some people go through a period of believing in crazy pseudoscience or crazy diets or crazy forms of activism like I was showing earlier you know going into a restaurant and screaming at people having these emotional outpourings and within a few months or within a few years people adapt they learn they change they move on and you know that's what's gonna happen to Julia and I'm happy for you know uh we all got to grow up and I can't do the growing up for you now among the other things used to try to make this seem more salacious than it really is is the assertion which is not based on evidence actually contradicted by the evidence that I only use this website to me win which has not been true um and in fact the proof of that is on the same profile so these are the reviews you get you may ask well with the website like Oh something how do people trust each other enough to invite someone into their home and you know let them sleep on their couch for the night well this is part of it is that people give reviews to each other so here are two reviews I have from heterosexual adult men and neither of them are young I think the first guy he's a man about 50 I forget how old he is and get old he is now uh Hermes and then another one from Timothy they're both very positive reviews hermes says that I'm a fascinating host I shared my advanced understanding of an area neutral interest oh gee I didn't so this is very flattering he says that I'm a well of deep knowledge but I'm happy to talk about personal and mundane subjects applause boy you know that sorry you guys can read this yourselves this is actually a you know extremely flattering review oh and I didn't realize you had to click to read more so he all right uh he this is that one's longer anyway so I took the screen shot without that but anyway this is an effusive ly positive review about what a wonderful guy I am to have a conversation with again perhaps not shocking if you watch this YouTube channel it's not to everyone's taste my YouTube channel but some people including adult heterosexual men are very happy to meet me and I do like you know uh Hermes feel like he's he's actually vegetarian but not vegan and then there's another one from Timothy here I'm still in touch with him that guy Hermes and we still have email contact and so on but yeah that's that's why people use couchsurfing to try to build community try to build you know meaningful relationships some kind uh Timothy says I enjoyed two very nice days in Taitung with Zell I'm easily suspicious if people seem too nice or accommodating such was the case of Zell but after leaving his home in hospitality of two days I already miss him Wow somebody you can read the rest of that again this is actually public I mean you know these people are making up rumors about me as if there's something sexy about my Kosar fect profile if there isn't I didn't realize these were such positive reviews but they say I'm a wonderful host they say staying over at my house for a couple nights is a wonderful experience there you go I didn't think I'd be bragging about that on on youtube today but these accusations against me have thought this out of me so that funny stuff um look you know these people they're looking to create a scandal out of nothing and like I said with the boy who cried wolf or whatever example you want to use they did this all before with Hania and Jason it was you know make up any story make up any fiction and try to use the internet and even telephone calls you know remember they they phoned Jason's mom and try to fabricate fake things from the internet I mean you know there's no real limit to how low they'll go the difference is in dealing with me the dealing with somebody who isn't hurt by this I'm not upset by this and I know other people have been emotionally devastated by it 99.9% of people have been in my corner and the truth is this whole fiasco was really like an intelligence test for the focus of freelee and durianrider because you get to find out who is dumb enough to fall for it because there's nothing convincing about the illusions they've been putting out but a very very small number of people choose to believe them anyway so the total amount donated at the beginning was six thousand five hundred US dollars out of that sixty dollars were returned so I believe just two people lost faith in the fundraiser and asked for a refund which of course I granted the fees collected by others and reading off the screen here obviously don't memorize the fees collected by generosity are over three hundred dollars two hundred and thirty nine dollars seventy cents plus another 25 dollars etc etc this reduces the amount I should in theory actually receive the amount they're sending to me drops to only six thousand one hundred and seventy five dollars and thirty cents I'm sorry during write I it's not a scam I wish it was I wish I really wish I really wish I could say to durianrider right now you know what you got me it's a scam you and me should sit down and you know drink some caffeine free tea sometime and have a laugh about what a joke YouTube is and have a laugh about the future of veganism but I can't do it and if he can't do it either
I wish it was I wish I really wish I really wish I could say to durianrider right now you know what you got me it's a scam you and me should sit down and you know drink some caffeine free tea sometime and have a laugh about what a joke YouTube is and have a laugh about the future of veganism but I can't do it and if you can't do it either but obviously the actual allegations made against me would be emotionally devastating perhaps to the average person we could say to many people to most people I don't know at an earlier stage of this you may or may not have noticed if you read very carefully the text on screen in the earlier video I put up already showing you exactly what your mitre said you could have picked out the detail that at an earlier stage they were claiming that I was using a false name generally you know I found this hilarious and I showed them my passport although that's a completely unreasonable demand to make when you've threatened to beat someone up to abduct them when you've made threats of violence against someone and when you've really defamed them you really commit a defamation in the strict legal sense it's completely ridiculous for you to then say them oh yes and I need a favor could you could you provide me with your your passport number it would take another but you know as with many other things in that conversation they kept making a reasonable demands and I kept saying great let's do it you know they said they had a criminal case against me they wanted to arrest me and I said great let's go to the police station okay yeah okay you want to arrest me let's do it you want to put me in jail all right I'm game and all right away those things collapse in many many ways this has been a process of my calling the bluff of the other side now one of my catchphrases is that I'm not a nice guy and I don't even pretend to be a nice guy when I think someone is an idiot I do say they're an idiot but I think someone is wrong I say they're wrong many of you will have tuned into this video expecting me to call Julia Bohr the girl who's been denouncing me on the internet lately to call her an idiot I do not think she's an idiot I don't there are many videos in which she acts like a fool but I I actually do not think she's stupid what she is jealous of me because I can smash it as much rice and jam and sugar and whatever good stuff I can be a pizza without having a chopped-up Gill and knowing that I will be lean anyways in like a couple of years and then she will be staying there jealous knocking on her root echoes and be like [ __ ] this [ __ ] and she will still be sitting there under her blankets in front of her laptop writing rage comments excuse me where's my cucumber stop being frustrated [ __ ] just because I tell the truth and you [ __ ] know it I believe her age is 16 when I sent her an email I assumed she was 19 or older because I assumed her parents would not allow her to do the things she's been doing including like making trips to Thailand alone I don't know who lets their sixteen-year-old daughter go to Thailand I don't know probably if you by the end of this video you'll be convinced you shouldn't let your 1600 daughter have a have an iPhone or use the internet that mean you may ask yourself a lot of questions about parenting before this video but look I I don't think julia borer is an idiot and I'm not here to call her an idiot not at all those of you have watched some of her videos maybe shark and say well come on she's saying a lot of stupid stuff well she is very strongly influenced by what I've just mentioned this habitus there's a real anthropology term there's habitus popularized by freelee and durianrider of acting over-the-top attacking people denouncing people and starting fights over nothing over who's wearing too much makeup or some trivial thing instead of doing just up and talking about analyze someone's work find what's useful in it for you acknowledge the difference is compromise tolerance above all else tolerance and you know work for a better tomorrow right politically or even just socially isn't that what we all should be doing you know why are you going to Thailand are you going to Thailand to make friends going to Tallinn to make enemies going to this big vegan summit what are you going for even me I'm going to make friends I'm looking for people I can work with I want to know people 10 years from now that I met today for me it's a long game alright I'm not playing for an extra 1000 views this week or an extra 10,000 subscribers this month not my game I really want to build institutions I really want to change the world I've given so many examples of how attainable that is Mothers Against Drunk Driving or any of these other humble civil society organizations the gay rights advocacy groups that God organized God in office really changed the world sure I want to make something positive happen and I want to make it happen with you whoever you are watching this and you know Julie abort turns out she's 16 she's gonna grow up ten years from now she'll be 26 I see potential in her also to make a positive change in the world I really do I got no hate in my heart for I wasn't writing to her with any hatred in my mind either it's not the first time during Ryder has played this game even his core fans have now seen this played out again and again and you know in the English language we have a popular story called the boy who cried wolf you may have never heard of that story you may have grown up playing video games and have never heard the story of the boy who cried wolf but you know if you have a false alarm too many times people start to get suspicious and also people know me because I'm open and relaxed about the reality with my life is in this way but look so the current accusation it's now have shifted because one accusation after another has proven to be Hollow and baseless and I just replied in a kind of self confident open way oh okay you got criminal charges against me let's hear them let's go to the police station I'll meet you there no problem you don't have to arrest me I'll voluntarily go to the police station oh no there are no criminal charges okay so what do you want to do what's this about you know but just the concept of the website couchsurfing he's apparently exotic and strange enough to people that they can make this up so look I'll tell you about the website kerchief in a second so it's not super boring first let me just read you my profile here the about me page encourage them you can decide if this sounds to you like a tremendously sexy and appealing image that I'm portraying I mean you know hey takes all sorts about me vegan and then as the Chinese characters for vegan ie more strict than merely vegetarian that's the first thing in my description myself what does that tell you I am especially interested in meeting other vegans while I am in Thailand and while I am in China etc does this sound like a lie to you what do you think anyone who's watching even one video on my youtube channel what is your judgment my character does the sound wildly improbable you out are you shocked this is my my secret life on the Internet is that I try to meet us or faked it I have a YouTube channel period Oh 90% of it lately is talking about Incan Itza obviously I'm leading a double life here obviously this profile is a complete fiction and you know I mean there's just no resemblance the real me and you know my great secret has been discovered by these people were trying to denounce me what a shame how I participate in couchsurfing I use couchsurfing to meet other people with common interests you can't rely on chance to cross paths the people it's very true interests animals vegetarian vegan Buddhist boy I guess I should delete the Buddhist that's probably I probably had that tag I didn't notice since I was a Buddhist I'm now an ex Buddhist identify as an historical nihilist but anyway but oh but my nihilism comes out here you look decent books through Citadis then I have the Chinese name for the acidities and Herodotus but no I can't read Greek so you know among the people who are hating on me you know if you want to make a scandal why don't you take the time and energy and look into through Citadis and Herodotus one amazing thing I've done true story I'm in a remote village on the lao burmese border and some of the villagers are about to slaughter a pig the men who are sharpening the knife to slit the animal's throat request that i chant in pali the canonical language of buddhism so the pig will be reincarnated as a human being I laugh and I reply that they're asking the wrong question they should be asking me to chant so they won't be reborn as pigs true story did I mention that I'm vegan look guys if you're just vaguely familiar with my web presence on YouTube or otherwise none of this could be a shock or scandal to anyone now if you don't know like look let's say couchsurfing was a dating website it was a moment it's not it's not a dating web site but if it was so what you think I'd be ashamed of this you think I have something to hide with this profile really now I mean here's the problem with during writers influence her reply is and I quote what do you want from me eyes'll he's trying to turn during Ryder you got the wrong person mate [ __ ] off so you know you try but if that's the response you get Moon's right you know try anymore so my reply was simply to say Julia in five years you're gonna look back at this and laugh for yourself and I'm not talking about anything specific I'm not talking about her views on diet or politics or anything else specifically but the fact that you're the type of person who responds to an email like that by telling someone to [ __ ] off you know I think five years from now whatever age she was whatever age you will be I don't know you're gonna look back and laugh at yourself yes I'm going to laugh at the fact that I ever doubted this lifestyle and wasted my time on this shitty conversation I have oh I should mention by the way I'm only posting this publicly because she already did so this is not private correspondence anymore she slightly misrepresented what I said only slightly and she did post her own email publicly on her on her website so I'm not outing this private conversation she already went public with haha we all know you're not vegan as if you would you wouldn't go after the people who did more for the vegan movement than you ever did and ever well you're just a stupid [ __ ] and a hater who's jealous of Drs success when you go to chiang mai catch up with vegan Ava she's going to look like freely in a few months you really think veganism is about what you look like because I don't it's not like for me veganism is not about looking like freely it's not about looking like Patrick Stewart it's not about looking like anything it's it's really not freely and Harley help people change their life except for the lazy couch potato frustrated victims like Swayze Hannah or that other shake you interviewed who don't understand adapted thermogenesis haha there's no explanation point hereafter haha so I don't know she's really having fun anymore you know I've been writing essays about like you know mass murder in the history of China political history of Japan Russia I think about a lot of things my time I think about my own career I've been applying for jobs you know what I talked about within veganism also I'd like to think is actually much more substantive than this well meet my friends ride up steep climbs in the sunshine feeling amazing laughing and going for adventures best regards Julia I don't know where you got the idea that my life is boring I have had a very very interesting life and my life has included a long-distance cycling my life has included long-distance cycling in Thailand and long-distance cycling up steep climbs I went up one of the steepest I do a tap is a joke homeboy I went up [ __ ] Fah which is also known as Poochie fuh northern dialect issue there I went up so called blue Melton and I had to sleep at the Buddhist monastery at the top of that mountain does a hell of a story if I were to tell it I have known you know what's a real adventure to me a vacation is not an adventure to me doing humanitarian work is a real adventure to me real danger political danger putting your life on the line for something meaningful that's an adventure paying money to go on a ride at a theme park is not an adventure and paying money to go on vacation and ride a bicycle is not adventure but I mean you know I can remember it was risking my life back when I was doing humanitarian work I did just use a bicycle as a means of transport to get from one village to another and sometimes that was risking my life in some ways and there were some real adventures and some funny stories that came out of that and so on that was a that was when the last of the wild jungle was being cut down in the northwest of Laos and the Berner border with Myanmar today I assume that jungle is all gone and that was when the roads were not paved that's when you're talking about you know dirt roads logging trails third world conditions no electricity etc you know no drinking water you got to boil the water before I've had adventures and ironically I've had adventures in that part of Asia and I've had adventures involving bicycles but that was not the meaning of life for me I was doing humanitarian work I was doing language research was doing historical research I was doing NGO related research research related to the charity work you know applied research and you know I was also preparing myself for a lifetime of being a scholar and intellectual sinking a lot of time into everything from political history but also the history of Buddhism etc I was cultivating myself for career as a specialist and I now do not expect to ever have a career as a specialist so I don't know I don't know why you think my life is boring or that's lacked adventure or even that it's lacked long-distance cycling I think my long-distance cycling credentials are a lot better than yours actually Julia but hey you know welcome welcome to the club I have no concerns about her gaining weight or losing weight I see that stuff is easy and I think she can attain all her goals as an athlete no problem why not the problem what I see for her is is the ego trip is that cult-like effect that the durianrider and frilly thing has on her but I think she'll grow out of it you mean the last thing I said to her I sent one more message where I just said look I revise my estimate instead of saying you'll look back on this in five years and laugh I think you'll look back in five months and laugh and that's not an insult you know it's a compliment and a lot of people have gotten in touch with me through email through my patreon again sign up for my patreon for those discussions saying how much their view of the world changed in just one year becoming vegan already is a huge change in your view of the world and then some people go through a period of believing in crazy pseudoscience or crazy diets or crazy forms of activism like I was showing earlier you know going into a restaurant and screaming at people having these emotional outpourings and within a few months or within a few years people adapt they learn they change they move on and you know that's what's gonna happen to Julia and I'm happy for you know uh we all got to grow up and I can't do the growing up for you now among the other things used to try to make this seem more salacious than it really is is the assertion which is not based on evidence actually contradicted by the evidence that I only use this website to me win which has not been true um and in fact the proof of that is on the same profile so these are the reviews you get you may ask well with the website like Oh something how do people trust each other enough to invite someone into their home and you know let them sleep on their couch for the night well this is part of it is that people give reviews to each other so here are two reviews I have from heterosexual adult men and neither of them are young I think the first guy he's a man about 50 I forget how old he is and get old he is now uh Hermes and then another one from Timothy they're both very positive reviews hermes says that I'm a fascinating host I shared my advanced understanding of an area neutral interest oh gee I didn't so this is very flattering he says that I'm a well of deep knowledge but I'm happy to talk about personal and mundane subjects applause boy you know that sorry you guys can read this yourselves this is actually a you know extremely flattering review oh and I didn't realize you had to click to read more so he all right uh he this is that one's longer anyway so I took the screen shot without that but anyway this is an effusive ly positive review about what a wonderful guy I am to have a conversation with again perhaps not shocking if you watch this YouTube channel it's not to everyone's taste my YouTube channel but some people including adult heterosexual men are very happy to meet me and I do like you know uh Hermes feel like he's he's actually vegetarian but not vegan and then there's another one from Timothy here I'm still in touch with him that guy Hermes and we still have email contact and so on but yeah that's that's why people use couchsurfing to try to build community try to build you know meaningful relationships some kind uh Timothy says I enjoyed two very nice days in Taitung with Zell I'm easily suspicious if people seem too nice or accommodating such was the case of Zell but after leaving his home in hospitality of two days I already miss him Wow somebody you can read the rest of that again this is actually public I mean you know these people are making up rumors about me as if there's something sexy about my Kosar fect profile if there isn't I didn't realize these were such positive reviews but they say I'm a wonderful host they say staying over at my house for a couple nights is a wonderful experience there you go I didn't think I'd be bragging about that on on youtube today but these accusations against me have thought this out of me so that funny stuff um look you know these people they're looking to create a scandal out of nothing and like I said with the boy who cried wolf or whatever example you want to use they did this all before with Hania and Jason it was you know make up any story make up any fiction and try to use the internet and even telephone calls you know remember they they phoned Jason's mom and try to fabricate fake things from the internet I mean you know there's no real limit to how low they'll go the difference is in dealing with me the dealing with somebody who isn't hurt by this I'm not upset by this and I know other people have been emotionally devastated by it 99.9% of people have been in my corner and the truth is this whole fiasco was really like an intelligence test for the focus of freelee and durianrider because you get to find out who is dumb enough to fall for it because there's nothing convincing about the illusions they've been putting out but a very very small number of people choose to believe them anyway so the total amount donated at the beginning was six thousand five hundred US dollars out of that sixty dollars were returned so I believe just two people lost faith in the fundraiser and asked for a refund which of course I granted the fees collected by others and reading off the screen here obviously don't memorize the fees collected by generosity are over three hundred dollars two hundred and thirty nine dollars seventy cents plus another 25 dollars etc etc this reduces the amount I should in theory actually receive the amount they're sending to me drops to only six thousand one hundred and seventy five dollars and thirty cents I'm sorry during write I it's not a scam I wish it was I wish I really wish I really wish I could say to durianrider right now you know what you got me it's a scam you and me should sit down and you know drink some caffeine free tea sometime and have a laugh about what a joke YouTube is and have a laugh about the future of veganism but I can't do it and if he can't do it either