Vengeance. The Incel Mentality: Revenge as Romance.

vengeance is the main thing that i want hey guys what's up decline here i've been going to the gym a lot lately in this month may i think out of 11 days i've been 10 days [Music] i know that even the most optimistic people are gonna say no that's not going to happen for you get your head out of the clouds be realistic you're not going to be chad you're not going to be a slayer but hypothetically what would i actually want if i got i think vengeance vengeance is the main thing that i want just showing the world showing everyone like that i am living my best life a big to the world to the women who rejected me and didn't want me to the women who showed some interest but treated me like crap or flaked on me and nothing came of it to all the women out there who don't they wouldn't find me desirable to the guys doing well chad's normies who breezed through in life and stuff just happened for them to everyone else who thinks i'm some doormat or piece of trash to step on i'll show them all what what what what yeah i'll become desirable i'll run through as many promiscuous women as possible i'll rack up the body count that's what i want i need those numbers i need to rack up the numbers ideally i'd like a triple digit body count that doesn't come from paying me for it and honestly anybody any chad who doesn't have a triple digit body count is a failure as a chat you know you're not someone i look up to okay like imagine getting 200 k subs and actually having a good body that women i think yeah okay this this guy's decent looking this guy has a good body and you use the reach he uses the numbers to have the kind of success that would be completely impossible for someone at my level in the real world and it needs to be more epic more grand more outlandish to compensate for all that i missed out on i do want to be promiscuous long-term sustainability pragmatism that's not my priority i really want to feel desired and valued i really want to feel like a girl is attracted to me and wants me vengeance is the main thing that i want i do not like the way the world works and the way women work sorry but women have agency and evolutionary psychology isn't a valid excuse for someone's actions or preferences sorry i'm an idealist and i'm not going to accept that i don't find any of this motivating i don't think i want to go to the gym six days a week and eat all this disgusting protein and completely changed my diet completely changed my lifestyle and eventually get on the sauce have the trend bologna sandwich even just so i can wife up a 3 out of 10 or a single mother and pretend she lives up to some ideal of purity just because she doesn't have a tinder account one owner or three reliable runs great just don't look at the miles on the odometer and you're telling me it's better than all the other rides out there still as good as new they're all the same in the end my heart is broken and blackened enough that i do not believe there are any good women in this world the only thing that is real is physical attraction and love [Music] it's interesting to hear this young man say that he believes there are no good women in the world i think what he really believes is that there are no good people and he has no concept of what it would mean for him to be a good man for him to aspire to be a good person himself there's a lot of marketing of self-improvement on the internet and there's a painful lack of reflection about what it would really mean to improve yourself i had a conversation recently with a black guy a youtuber i met met here on the internet um i'm mentioning that he's black because he's a devotee of dr sebby and if you look at any images of who was in the audience at dr sebi's events this is certainly an african-american phenomenon and what i said to him as you can see on screen is that ultimately there's no point in doing the right thing for the wrong reasons he's talking to me about self-improvement but he's not actually interested in being a better person i don't know if i can say that being a better person is hard i think for a lot of people it's as easy as falling out of a tree house really i think what's hard is recognizing that you're a bad person recognizing that you want to change recognizing that you need to change it's maybe that recognition that's so hard rather than the process of becoming or being i understand this young man's perspective i understand that he's convinced himself that the only relations between women and men are based on physical attraction and carnal desire and the irony is that he has no experience with that himself you see the strange position he's put himself in here he doesn't have any experience directly or with say friends of his he doesn't have an experience of what it's like to be someone who already is very physically attractive and someone who's tired of having members of the opposite sex want to sleep with them just for their body someone who's seeking out a partner precisely because they care about the intellectual qualities the ethical qualities the emotional qualities that distinguish them or that let that other person appreciate who who they are he's not even thinking through that scenario is that uncommon is that so rare you've never heard of it you can't imagine it that some people might care about the intellect about ethics about emotions and so on just because they're attractive enough that they can take it for granted that other people already want them for their body and that they ca they have their choice between many different people whose bodies are attractive enough for them i don't think that competition is an inherently immoral concept many people on the left do many people in the left wing define the type of society they desire to have in the future the utopia of science fiction as being a society that is not based on competition that eliminates the competitive aspects of capitalism many left-wing people want to reform education to eliminate the competitive aspects of writing tasks sports other things we all experience in school growing up i think what really damages people is the assumption that there is only one way to compete and that there's only one thing to compete for my heart is broken and blackened enough that i do not believe there are any good women in this world the only thing that is real is physical attraction and lust i'll get a good physique and hopefully use youtube and various social media platforms use the internet and maybe if i have a good enough physique for tinder maybe i can use that as well like when i saw connor murphy in that video and he was breaking down and talking about how he has three women a day he sleeps with three women a day and and he was breaking down crying i think he was crying about uh disappointing his parents or something but but like i look up to conor murphy i mean he's he's a pretty cool guy like this young man has convinced himself that there are no good women and that thus there are no good women looking for good men like that it's not possible there would be women out there who would be looking for him in as much as he were a good person in as much as he were an interesting person that there might be women who at first would be curious about him but when they look past his appearance to find out what kind of man he really is that they're rejecting him not because he's ugly not because he's unattractive etc not because of the things he's obsessed over not because the defects he hopes he can fix at the gym but because those women really are good people and that they're looking for good men by those standards that they may not be able to articulate in these terms but standards that are partly intellectual partly ethical partly emotional that in fact he's in the middle of a world crowded with good people who are seeking out the love and admiration and respect and company of other good people and they spurn him and reject him and even sometimes denigrate him and insult him because his whole concept of self-improvement is from their perspective evil every single thing he says that he wants to accomplish and his motivations his reasons why he wants to accomplish these things the very ideal he has of the better man that he could become is from our perspective a worse man among his motivations one of the most blatantly evil is revenge and this is what we would call displaced revenge or misplaced revenge he's not getting revenge against any particular woman who wronged him who rejected him who spurned him no he wants revenge against all women or in a sense against all mankind this is a dark misanthropic sense of revenge he's pursuing he also says openly that what he wants is a kind of grandiosity in his life to be able to gloat over others with how superior he is in order to compensate for his own feelings of inferiority it is not too much to say that from our perspective from the perspective of the vast majority of people in this audience what he's describing is evil and it's not a minor footnote to say that it's unbelievably repellent to women it's incredibly unattractive to women what kind of woman would watch the video you've just seen my four-minute edited clip from and think this would be a good man to be the father to her children or even this would be a good man to just share an apartment with do the dishes with every day wake up in the morning with and discuss breakfast and household responsibility the fact that his particular form of evil is so repellent and so odious to women is a very clear clue a very clear hint as to what he's doing wrong and what he can't possibly solve by simply going to the gym 10 days per week refer back again to this fellow i spoke to about veganism about the importance of if you want to be on a vegan diet doing the right thing just because it's the right thing to do the fact that you could lose weight look great gain muscle mass get leaner on basically any fad diet veganism is not special in this way what's special about veganism is the opportunity to actually become a better person by taking on those responsibilities taking on that profounder view of the world and your place in it in this life starting to feel that ecology is your problem and you want to be part of the solution starting to feel that animal suffering cows that are born in a steel cage on a concrete floor to suffer and die in captivity that that's something you're not willing to pay for that's not something you're willing to even ignore just for your own convenience or i don't know for the benefit of a slightly tasty dessert and i can't shake this sense that actually becoming a better person isn't all that difficult the hard part is recognizing that you're a bad person here are now recognizing perhaps the badness of your own motives your own desires as i've said again and again whether it's in reference to quitting alcohol whether it's in reference to quitting meat and adopting a vegan diet the excuses are so much harder to quit than the thing itself and the most fundamental excuse that most of us live with is just the notion that we're good people and that whatever we want can't possibly be bad and evil and wrong whereas those other people or those other forces those other institutions those other social systems those other people who obstruct us in getting what we want who would refuse us whatever it is we want they they must be the ones who are bad and evil and wrong to the women who rejected me and didn't want me to the women who showed some interest but treated me like crap or flaked on me and nothing came of it to all the women out there who don't or wouldn't find me desirable to all the haters out there the guys as well sorrow is real misery is real but when you take that sorrow and find in it a justification for revenge think you're doing something quite artificial when you look at your own heartbreak in the context of one decade i invite you to imagine the man or woman you will be ten years from now looking back at this moment at this heartbreak you're suffering with that seems so overwhelming looking back and laughing at how trivial it seems now how trivial it seems from the perspective of just 10 years down the road and now i want you to look back in history not 10 years not 100 years and not a thousand i want you to think of your own misery your own sorrow your own heartbreak in the context of hundreds of thousands of years in which we had no way to cope with mortality during childbirth in which women at a rate of about 50 percent from what i read would drop dead and die giving birth to their first child we had no scientific understanding of why we had no idea what we could do to help them when people would get mysterious diseases like malaria and die whether fast or slow when so many parents had to bury their own children whether they were struck dead by diseases that we imagined were demons or we saw them killed before our own eyes in acts of war in the whole history of the world going back not just a decade not just a century but many thousands of years when you contextualize yourself in that way looking forward ten years then looking back much much further into shall we say evolutionary time tell me this who has suffered less where the most privileged the most pampered the most lazy the most entitled generation that ever has existed on the surface of the earth and you're sad and you're mad at society and you want revenge because by pressing a few buttons on your cell phone you can't get laid maybe you need to have ambitions ambitions to be a better person ambitions to change the world in some fundamental way for the better ambitions so great that it would make the tiny tragedy of your frustration with dating apps like tinder your frustration with your sex life seem like something very small by comparison and maybe in the pursuit of those ambitions you'd actually become a better man