Zero Talent: Matt Dillahunty vs Cosmic Skeptic on Veganism.

there are there's a there's a contingent
of the ethical vegan community that's much like a contingent in the Atheist community just have really bad arguments and I'm undeniably species just about this I drink milk cows too but the thing is even even if you've got in the same County it's it's entirely possible so you got dog vegans and then you got vegetarians and Bobo lactose I drink milk and for a while I was convinced it oh this is not this is a non-issue clearly not even in the same ballpark as whether or not I would kill a dog a cow and then someone raised the issue of okay you've got a situation where a cow has given birth and his calf has taken away so that it will keep producing milk yeah off to fulfil insemination and have you considered the impact the emotional impact of the cow of having you know its offspring removed and the answer at that time was no I hadn't considered that at all and my answer now is I don't know that we can actually assess the psychological trauma of a cow I don't know necessarily how we would go about it because what I see people doing is saying Oh an animal looks up with you with those eyes or tries to run away so clearly it's expressing its desire to not be and quite frankly I don't think that most animals can process that on a cognitive level to where they're expressing no don't eat meat having lived and grown up on a farm and been around cows and milk cows granted I'm not remotely an animal psychologist I don't see any of the presentations that we would say yes this cow is suffering psychological yes I'm not opposed to yes you say you're against what we are talking about is a situation in which the the single biggest thing that you can do to tackle climate change the single biggest thing you can do to minimize unnecessary suffering without actually having to to suffer any meaningful sense yourself is a simple of just choosing something else in the menu that's the situation we're in now and to me it's very difficult to see how if we're making a distinction between moral obligation of that you that meet that that is meaningful in any way how that could possibly not fall within the category of obligation I don't remotely disagree the thing is do you think it does fall within the category of obligation well you not necessarily somebody can give me the information in data and make that argument cuz right now no offense to you I'm happy to accept that you know far more about this than I do and that your information is likely to be correct but quite frankly this is this is easily long the longest conversation I've ever had about this particular subject and I can't just much as I like you I couldn't possibly just take you at your word so this is just a issue of ignorance on my part then at that time [Music]