Ex-vegans & pedophiles: don't make excuses for people who make excuses.

I thought a lot of videos talking about
the boycott mentality and it's wonderful it's a huge advantage that veganism is at its core a boycott that you know the impact it has in your daily life is that you refuse to buy some things but that can lead people into this strangely passive view of what their relationship is to other vegans and what their relationship is 2x vegans into the non vegan society and what have you and I mean it's interesting to me because these types of questions about friendship cooperation collaboration they're very different as soon as we even start talking about working with somebody is that somebody you would work with you know as opposed to this more passive view it's not a spiritual view sometimes people view veganism spiritualistic alee people coming out of the raw vegan white people with yoga mats side of things people coming from the Guru's in spandex side of the gate they may have a very very passive view of indeed and then it becomes all about judging whether or not a person has a beautiful soul one one person shut me down for that on Facebook one of my fellow vegans here on YouTube apparently I was not enough of a beautiful soul today I'm shame too because she told me the opposite just a few weeks earlier me she actually used those words and called me a beautiful soul but she later said like I feel like talking to you just isn't helping my spiritual progress I only talk to people where I feel I'm growing as a human being from the conversation damn your loss your loss girl you know it's true you may not you may not expand your mind spiritually but by talking to me you can hone your nihilistic anti social instincts to a razor sharp point and become a devastating wit in life it's true you may be spiritually bankrupt it by hanging out it's true you know roll in the mud you come up dirty hanging out with nihilists you come out a bit a bit nihilistic anyway look I'm going to tell an anecdote which in my mind is directly sailing it to the point I'm making here I knew a guy named Walter and it's going to be really obvious why I'm only using his first name as this video progresses and Walter on two different occasions in front of me gave his opinion for why he believed pedophilia was okay and now this isn't a context of Southeast Asia I've been living in places like Thailand Cambodia Laos and here in Yunnan where I'm living now and he basically presented the exact same opinion in two very different context with me out one we were alone face to face talking and I was shocked but I could tell he wasn't just saying it to be shocking he wasn't just trying to be edgy and i responded not with anger but in a very very methodical rigorous logical way he was actually in gala engaging what we call an appeal to nature fallacy he was saying that this kind of behavior was natural and had always existed in society and i replied without pause without hesitation without missing a beat I said yes murder also is natural and as always exist in society specifically brothers murdering other brothers brought murder would be in the family fratricide has always existed in every society and there's very clear reason for it this very clear anthropological rationale in terms of competition over limited resources who is going to inherit the farm from your father brother against brother it's natural it's existed in every society those with us so does this justify it morally no not at all so I had that kind of response to it and there was another situation where we went out to dinner about four guys and the other two guys I didn't really know was my first time meeting them at that dinner party if you like and again you have to realize in Southeast Asia it's not academic in Southeast Asia there are a lot of foreign pedophiles there are a lot of sex tourists who are there for illicit underage sex now I could more of this again it's something I did do research on especially when I was in Cambodia but no also there was a project in Thailand link to that and you know anyway in some tourist minds it's exaggerated but I think many other tourists want to turn a blind eye do it it is a scary side of sex determine sex tourism in Southeast Asia and you know it may weigh heavily on your mind but I remember when Walter made this same point he presented his ethical case one of the guys at the table who I didn't know you could see he was ready to jump over the table and punch Walters face in he was ready to kill him and with a topic like that you never know you know you never know who at that table has been a victim maybe he was molested at a kid maybe his girlfriend was a victim in his ex-girlfriend maybe you know maybe he knows somebody maybe he's just you know maybe it's just some of his research to read about but you know why why did that one died at the table get so upset so quick and you know a lot of the time with men there are some forms of violence they exhibit openly but there are also times when somebody gets real quiet and gets real still and it's real serious and you know if you had jump to take over the SAT there and watch more to get his fees powdered in for being a jackass with no problem frankly Walter I'm not on your side of mr. Speer come look these types of ethical differences I think the only way to deal with them is through honesty there are a lot of people who say oh well you know you ought to have it in you to reach out to and be warm and fuzzy toward non-vegans reduce it Aryans and X vegans x vegans being the hardest of all my reply to that is why pretend because that's all you're talking about is faking it you're making a moral principle out of faking it in saying you ought to your precisely saying the P ought to do something they don't feel they don't think they don't believe you're you know when you do feel that way I mean you know I know all kinds of people who eat meat why positive emotional relationship there are positive relations with them for that reason there they happen to be wonderful people or people of one or two positive qualities I appreciate it we meet of course I want to be coerced into you know getting wrong with those people it's the other ninety eight percent we're talking about here right and in the case of X vegans let's say somebody was your friend they were your colleague and now they're an axe vegan the way we evaluate these things the way we talk about them I really feel it's so much different when we're not talking about friendship as something static something passive something inert but something active collaborative cooperative if we're talking about working together that guy is that the sort of guy I can work with is that the sort of guy I would work with would I trust him with money would I trust him on a project you know just putting it in that framework in my mind I think changes things profoundly now a guy like Walter I think that's a really good example for just that reason Walter had good qualities and bad but let me tell you you're living in Southeast Asia and you've heard that of that guy he had some anecdotes about it too he had an anecdote about how once he checked into a hotel and the hotel owner had something like an eight-year-old girl there he didn't know the girls age but he would see was guessing and the hotel owner I guess the hotel er thought that Walter looks like a pedophile I guess he just came to that he made that inference and the top hotel owner was offering to set them up okay now all kinds of people react to that in different ways I think some people would freak out and punch the hotel owner in the face like some people would again you don't know what demons people are carrying you don't know what their brain table on the end of the day you don't know who just grew up reading too many Batman comic books and decides this is the day when they're finally going to play Batman alright that's that's a big shadow hanging over Western culture yes it is boys girls of all ages you know you know what I'm talking about um what do you work with somebody if you know that maybe just maybe they're engaging in that kind of deeply immoral deeply unsettling activity even if it's just once in a while would you want to work with somebody make money with somebody trust somebody being a project with somebody whether a political project a charity or a business if you know those are their values they live by they bring the table those are the excuses to make for themselves this used to make for others just on that one isolated ethical issue of drawing the line about underage sex prostitution paedophilia say for most of us it's enough for most of us it's enough to cut somebody off and say I can't work with that guy that doesn't mean you're going to punch him in the face doesn't mean you're going to treat him like crap doesn't mean you're going to bring it up every time you see him like oh there's Walter you know that piece of [ __ ] it doesn't mean you're going to mention every time but i do think just that one difference for many people would mean you draw that line and say he is no friend of mine he's go colleague of mine and he's on the project then then I'm not so you got to be real with yourself and you got to be real with everyone else in your life if you know somebody makes excuses for eating veal if you know that they go home at the end of the day and they make up in their own minds oh well what's the harm of buying shrimp cheese etc ah that's something they're probably doing three times a day every day and there's the act itself the consequences the decision the implication but above all else there's the excuse making activity that you know is going on in their own mind and with an ex vegan you know the excuses are on another level because they already knew and are choosing to forget choosing to ignore everything that you and I know as videos