Don't Mention Durianrider: The Dumb Vegan Experience.
11 November 2016 [link youtube]
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that's my word well okay I guess we
should get some things out on the table ISIL you know we're gonna be we're gonna be talking all right you know like let's face it just to clear the air let's say said youtube is a small pond and you and I have been flirting with the same women so we're in direct competition here right i mean uh yeah i mean we could I guess I wouldn't deny that it's a small pool and uh I suppose flirting with disaster is probably a better way to put it it's like you know vegan gains vegan gains and Joey carbs strong we're both trying to seduce the same woman and it's torn the community apart anyway I said what do you want to say you take the next question uh yeah well I mean yeah yeah I'm like I'm having to talk to them happy to you know potentially will have many future conversations but I just have to you know say like I mean and this is potentially awkward but I don't think you'll find it awkward it's not awkward for me but and I will say this to everyone that I would talk to you know on youtube or you now or whatever is it I don't trust you guys'll all right I'm not here to sledge people and I wouldn't want you to think that you know because you know I don't know I mean who knows what I might end up saying about what I think about Iceland what happened with you know izel entering the youtube drama scene in the you know early summer of two thousand sixteen or whatever and so I just want to throw it all on the table alright is so so so so dumb vegan if I may call you dumb vegan um you know there's no reason why this is the first time you've ever talked to me so there's no reason why you would trust me i just say off the bat like I don't expect people to trust me when I'm when I'm a complete stranger secondly I mean obviously we can talk about any of the issues you you feel you can't trust me on not know if it's about my court case or any that boring stuff I can send you legal documentation etc etc but most the time that's not what it's about me normally there's something more interesting but we can talk about it we're going to talk about I'll say also you know I remember the very first skype conversation i did with another vegan youtuber we were making some concessions we were kind of saying some good things but during writer because you know obviously this criticism of during writer in my channel it was like well you know it's not all bad kind of said some positive things but during writer for a minute and um and then I said yeah but um in terms of trust because during writer has told so many lies I said you know um would you trust durianrider to babysit your own children and the guy immediately answered I wouldn't trust durianrider to walk my dog so there are there are levels to this trust thing I mean you know whether or not you trust me to babysit your kids is different from whether or not you would trust me to walk your dog I would think sure sure sure uh yeah no I mean I guess I'll put this one as well I just don't I don't buy the izel story on on how how eyes look got into the youtube drama at the same time oh okay interesting I'm not saying that you're I'm not suggesting that you're lying and I'm not I don't care I mean basically that's my biggest messages I don't really care I don't yeah but dude I'm here right now so you can ask me about it but any of this stuff you don't know or you if you're I mean it's if you have misgivings whistling you're interested it by all means ask me uh you know it's fine but me so to me this interesting because i don't know like your kind of hinting at something you don't you don't believe or don't trust but i don't know what that is so I'm just saying it's not obviously what it is you're alluding to oh yeah okay um III guess I would say like I think I'll put it this way if we were in Las Vegas right now and I was sitting at the keynote table and a guy came on the microphone and said in one hour we're gonna find out what really happened with izel Julia or durianrider you know that whole thing and you place your bets now and oh and by the way nobody can leave the casino unless they place a bet and then they said would you bet your life savings or you know whatever hundred dollars five dollars you have to bet it if otherwise you're not leaving the casino would you bet izel story that he's you know said in multiple videos or would you bet that he did this to bait durianrider into sledging him so that isaac had increased his social media you know presents okay if I had to bet now I don't have to I don't have to ISIL but hypothetically yeah if I had to okay so look man I'm say I'm totally happy to talk about any aspect of it like I really am it doesn't it doesn't bother me it's just like as I say I what what aspect interest you is not obviously off the bat like so if you just say oh there's something you don't get us I want to talk about I can't I can't take it there without you tell me what it is so I made videos about this just within the last 48 hours so it's all kind of fresh in my mind so I'm quite I've talked about this I mean first of all I don't yeah well here let me let me just over there because it's actually funny because I was actually watching I think the video that you're talking about when I got the notification that you're alive and as I was watching it I mean look man I don't like basically what just became you know all the more clear to me is that I just don't care I mean I don't want to talk about it I it's I don't need to believe you I don't need to disbelieve you but I just need to you know throw it out there so that later if you hear me say something that you don't say well why didn't dumb vegan you know ask me about that let's get down to the to the bare bones of it all but I mean like you put it out there enough for yourself in the video so anybody that would listen to this later on I mean they don't they don't need to hear you try to convince me they can make their own you know decision on that based on on you've done a good job putting out you know what your position on all that is and I'm not trying to grill you on it that's no no no but look dude I don't I don't feel like I'm being grill that's what I'm saying I don't feel uncomfortable at all I'm totally happy talking about it but what's same response to what you just said was it's not fair for you or anyone just me you in general it's not fair for a person to defame me if they haven't made the effort to hear my side of the story so boys just if you're interested enough to make your own video on the topic which is fine you can go ahead to me Oh your your channel is ninety percent comedy and there's a lot of comic potential here so I can totally imagine you wanting to make a comedy video on it but it's like with there are people who take the time to defame me and to do so in some is a very self-righteous way it's like well if you have that level of interest to take a position on this why don't you have the level of interest to at least watch the videos that are on my channel or talk to me because as you just saw it's not that hard to find me it's not a touch with me if this one you want to know no but I assume so the thing you said earlier that's maybe more worth responding to UM wasn't specifically about Julia bore you were asking but why I was in Chiang Mai at all and if I was baiting durianrider if I was trying to get that kind of reaction at durianrider um so I made another video on that which is actually on patreon it so it's a patreon subscriber-only video and I mean I really like in that sense I don't care if you don't believe what I have to say on that issue because I don't think that's really a bad thing now in reality the reason why i was in chiang mai at that time the reason why i'm going back to chiang mai soon by the way to doesn't have to do with during writer i had a job here in china i had to get a student visa i had to go to the hospital i had technical reasons to be in chiang mai I've been coming to chiang mai st. thing since 2003 or something I've become Chiang Mai for many many years chiang mai's a part of my life and I had other friends to visit in Chiang Mai there were other people on youtubes I had a whole bunch of reasons to be in shanghai at that time and meet up with people i wanted to meet and i had no plans whatsoever of confronting durianrider or seeing him or in any way interacting with the festival i never showed up at a single event but the flip side is if you don't believe that like if you think i went to that event in order to troll durianrider how does that make me a bad person you know cuz uh you know so did you say but to give an example like um what's ruining brianna jackfruit ssin she's done that every year she's done that for like three festivals running every time durianrider says he hates brianna and she's not invited the festival and she shouldn't come and she's persona non grata she's blacklisted she's not allowed to end brianna shows up anyway so I mean by britt britt jackfruit sim is not you know the most gangster vegan on the tube but she's been doing that for like for festivals running and nobody really cares not that big a deal so anyway if I did want to do that if I wanted to do exactly the same thing Brianna's done and that other vegans have done before too because they wanted to meet other vegans they're not there for durianrider there to hook up with other vegans on youtube you know i don't think they'll make me a bad person as it happens it's not true but if it were true it's like okay you're gonna hate me for that cuz it's not that big a deal ya know and i want to hate you i would i would call it diabolical haha and i would say that other people trying to enter the YouTube space or any kind of social media should take note and see how that they could you know maybe not do the same thing and they can make their own judgments on what they feel comfortable with doing but just to you know not hold back and sure I mean like I say you know it's like if the it gets to a certain point where you know like it's it's been a long enough now and like I mean it's look dude I'm I hope he gets feeling I'm not great I'm not offended at all though like I this stuff doesn't put me out we die before every every different angle I mean to me there was an emotional side of the story therefore durianrider because it didn't make sense for him to attack me that's how I didn't provoke him I didn't go in there events I wasn't I wasn't looking for trouble but we now know the day durianrider picked the fight with me on Facebook the same day he sent those facebook messages that are on my channel is the day he separated with freely and it's the day the one day when they missed their own events they had one day where they did not show up on the hill there's one famous hill that they would go up every day and do their crappy little conference thing right so there was one day where they didn't show up and it was so sudden they didn't send an announcement cuz obviously if you're not going to show up you just send text messages to people or send an email so they suddenly and unexpectedly didn't show up and then we now know in retrospect okay so that's the day when you know they really fell apart or they really fought with each other and that's the same day durianrider decided to come at me heavy so obviously there's a sense in which that guy went through a meltdown he was pretending he was defending freely and at the same time he was actually breaking up with her and we know we've seen the private text messages emails there's actually very human story for human drama from during writer's perspective that again has nothing to do with me and in terms of what he did against me again he has a record every year for several years running he'd done something like that so I mean only a few months earlier there was another guy who be accused of being a pedophile and you know we accused other he made unbelievable allegations and threats against people Gannon again over time so it's not really a new pattern behavior but again maybe this is the boring stuff III don't know what aspect injures you from my perspective it is interesting that I talked to Mike you and you know at the start you want to say you you don't trust me and you don't trust me specifically on on on this issue of what really happen okay so to be clear I think actually it's not that you don't trust me on what happened in Chiang Mai you don't trust me on why it happened would that be fair to say um explain that briefly okay so i think the point is it's not that you don't trust me about about what happened like for instance um was there really a fistfight or not or who threatened who or who started a door who sent which email like it's not on that level of specific events it's not that you don't believe me about whether or not i had a torrid love affair with Julia bore it's not about that kind of fact I think your point was you don't trust me in terms of what were my motivations for being in Chiang Mai at that time is that would that be fair no no no no no IIIi wouldn't doubt that you had you know many motivations to be in Chiang Mai I think it's just that and perhaps you know it just seems so convenient I mean like I say if you hadn't done it I mean somebody you know she probably should have somebody should have stepped in and capitalized on the fact that yeah you know cuz durianrider had the thing about the last festival where he got you know upsetting he cried on his laptop cuz he was reading a story that a girl had and he was like you know I'm gonna make sure that this never happens again I mean right it would make sense for somebody to you know capitalize on that and of course that's not fair to you before somebody like in my position that's just looking on to like us assume that about you but that would I say that that influenced my dessert like thoughts on it potentially yes but like it like again like I say if I was betting it on vague in Vegas if I had to hypothetically obviously never would have to but if I did I mean it wouldn't be like it'd be kind of stupid to not let you know something like that influence my decisions I like walls you know somebody probably was going to capitalize on this or they should have any way look dude I don't find that I say I don't find that offensive at all I just say I think the difference in you and me is you're approaching it from a kind of logical perspective of what seems plausible and I'm fortunate through perspective someone who knows what actually happened and why it happened which doesn't have to do with logic because i'm not making inferences or guesses so tell you one other interesting part of the story which does reveal how it happened I happened at that time so to say the day durianrider really decided to escalate the conflict with me was apparently the day he split up with freely and like maybe four days before that like just a few days before I for is not an exact number let's say four days before that he and freely were still together ostensibly at least there was still standing side by side at the grocery store and it's a particular grocery store in Chiang Mai that the raw till 4 people go to to know where this rare but it is so I had grocery stores especially associated with their their cult followers um and uh they bumped into leah pram staller so Leah prime star used to have a youtube channel i believe it's now closed or she just deleted all her videos but she's quit the game so Leah her interview with me is still on my channel and freely and during writer apparently watched that whole interview it's I don't know if it's an hour long but it's a pretty long substantial interview I had with her and she is one of the people who talk to me honestly and openly about the fact that among other things she got fat on free Lee's diet right and it's it's not a secret it's not a mystery and she got fat she gained that weight in Chiang Mai living there continuously she went for the festival she was a true believer and she moved there she rented an apartment she dropped at a school in order to be there so in some ways it's like the most extreme case of the true believer right and in some ways not she's a really she's a hard to describe character she's not a kind of stereotypical true believer in some ways uh so that story really hurt them they were really really shocked by that even though like for you and me that's kind of not shocking and you can say it's it's an important story to tell here's a young woman she like when I talked to her she was over 21 I'm sorry forget if she was I forgot her age but okay here's someone who dropped out of school who really became a devout believer partly because she had other health problems before she discovered their diet and a lot of people do that they have some disease disorder and you know durianrider saying that their diet will cure all your problem solve all your problems that appeals to them so what for her it wasn't about weight loss of beauty it was about feeling healthy curing her sicknesses etc etc and she actually moved to Thailand live with them and then while she was in Thailand eating all this fruit you know she got fat to be blunt I she gained a lot of weight now again shows in a sense no offense how shallow freely in dura mater are there's a lot of things they could be angry about on my channel they could be they could say hey this guy's approached the history of Cambodia is all wrong no not going to happen that video really hurt them and when they met her in that grocery store they freaked out they just you know cussed the [ __ ] out of her and said she was subhuman and said she was exiled from the community and no not only would they never talk to her again nobody in the durianrider cult would ever talk to her again this company so there's this ridiculous confrontation only a couple is over so no like when I tell you that my point is this is the kind of thing that tells you a human emotions human motivations it tells you why during writer freely did what they did what they were feeling how they were thinking and she Lea pram stole she was one of the people I was there to meet with just as a friend she was a fellow vegan in Chiang Mai who was anti durianrider basically anti-rattle for she was someone that interviewed in my channel she was one of my reasons for going to shame I was just to meet with her and talk with her right now again you if you want to describe that as me provoking durianrider in reality it is I did that interview with Leah it provoked durianrider like objectively it's a fact that was very provocative to or shocking to during right but my reason for doing that interview and putting on my reason for then going to meet her face-to-face was not you know anything was not to create that kind of conflict you know so just say but like to me the objective reading of that and the subject of reading that they're not incompatible like it's fine if you if you watch that video i don't think it's that interesting you but because a lot of it's about diet but you can you can watch that you can say okay this is objectively a threat to everything during writer and really believe in it's a threat to them selling books it's a threat to them convincing people their diet helps you lose weight right like it's a threat to a lot of things that are important to them but you can also see my motivations or not to do that or not to start a fistfight with your Ian rider or anything you know what I mean so you can see I'm talking to this young woman because I think oh well here's an intelligent person who used to be a true believer in this and now she's evolved so I'm not offended by what you say at all and like from an outsider's perspective there's some truth to it but from an insider's perspective I can tell you exactly what happened why it happened if you want to know so when you're in Las Vegas you bet on about 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should get some things out on the table ISIL you know we're gonna be we're gonna be talking all right you know like let's face it just to clear the air let's say said youtube is a small pond and you and I have been flirting with the same women so we're in direct competition here right i mean uh yeah i mean we could I guess I wouldn't deny that it's a small pool and uh I suppose flirting with disaster is probably a better way to put it it's like you know vegan gains vegan gains and Joey carbs strong we're both trying to seduce the same woman and it's torn the community apart anyway I said what do you want to say you take the next question uh yeah well I mean yeah yeah I'm like I'm having to talk to them happy to you know potentially will have many future conversations but I just have to you know say like I mean and this is potentially awkward but I don't think you'll find it awkward it's not awkward for me but and I will say this to everyone that I would talk to you know on youtube or you now or whatever is it I don't trust you guys'll all right I'm not here to sledge people and I wouldn't want you to think that you know because you know I don't know I mean who knows what I might end up saying about what I think about Iceland what happened with you know izel entering the youtube drama scene in the you know early summer of two thousand sixteen or whatever and so I just want to throw it all on the table alright is so so so so dumb vegan if I may call you dumb vegan um you know there's no reason why this is the first time you've ever talked to me so there's no reason why you would trust me i just say off the bat like I don't expect people to trust me when I'm when I'm a complete stranger secondly I mean obviously we can talk about any of the issues you you feel you can't trust me on not know if it's about my court case or any that boring stuff I can send you legal documentation etc etc but most the time that's not what it's about me normally there's something more interesting but we can talk about it we're going to talk about I'll say also you know I remember the very first skype conversation i did with another vegan youtuber we were making some concessions we were kind of saying some good things but during writer because you know obviously this criticism of during writer in my channel it was like well you know it's not all bad kind of said some positive things but during writer for a minute and um and then I said yeah but um in terms of trust because during writer has told so many lies I said you know um would you trust durianrider to babysit your own children and the guy immediately answered I wouldn't trust durianrider to walk my dog so there are there are levels to this trust thing I mean you know whether or not you trust me to babysit your kids is different from whether or not you would trust me to walk your dog I would think sure sure sure uh yeah no I mean I guess I'll put this one as well I just don't I don't buy the izel story on on how how eyes look got into the youtube drama at the same time oh okay interesting I'm not saying that you're I'm not suggesting that you're lying and I'm not I don't care I mean basically that's my biggest messages I don't really care I don't yeah but dude I'm here right now so you can ask me about it but any of this stuff you don't know or you if you're I mean it's if you have misgivings whistling you're interested it by all means ask me uh you know it's fine but me so to me this interesting because i don't know like your kind of hinting at something you don't you don't believe or don't trust but i don't know what that is so I'm just saying it's not obviously what it is you're alluding to oh yeah okay um III guess I would say like I think I'll put it this way if we were in Las Vegas right now and I was sitting at the keynote table and a guy came on the microphone and said in one hour we're gonna find out what really happened with izel Julia or durianrider you know that whole thing and you place your bets now and oh and by the way nobody can leave the casino unless they place a bet and then they said would you bet your life savings or you know whatever hundred dollars five dollars you have to bet it if otherwise you're not leaving the casino would you bet izel story that he's you know said in multiple videos or would you bet that he did this to bait durianrider into sledging him so that isaac had increased his social media you know presents okay if I had to bet now I don't have to I don't have to ISIL but hypothetically yeah if I had to okay so look man I'm say I'm totally happy to talk about any aspect of it like I really am it doesn't it doesn't bother me it's just like as I say I what what aspect interest you is not obviously off the bat like so if you just say oh there's something you don't get us I want to talk about I can't I can't take it there without you tell me what it is so I made videos about this just within the last 48 hours so it's all kind of fresh in my mind so I'm quite I've talked about this I mean first of all I don't yeah well here let me let me just over there because it's actually funny because I was actually watching I think the video that you're talking about when I got the notification that you're alive and as I was watching it I mean look man I don't like basically what just became you know all the more clear to me is that I just don't care I mean I don't want to talk about it I it's I don't need to believe you I don't need to disbelieve you but I just need to you know throw it out there so that later if you hear me say something that you don't say well why didn't dumb vegan you know ask me about that let's get down to the to the bare bones of it all but I mean like you put it out there enough for yourself in the video so anybody that would listen to this later on I mean they don't they don't need to hear you try to convince me they can make their own you know decision on that based on on you've done a good job putting out you know what your position on all that is and I'm not trying to grill you on it that's no no no but look dude I don't I don't feel like I'm being grill that's what I'm saying I don't feel uncomfortable at all I'm totally happy talking about it but what's same response to what you just said was it's not fair for you or anyone just me you in general it's not fair for a person to defame me if they haven't made the effort to hear my side of the story so boys just if you're interested enough to make your own video on the topic which is fine you can go ahead to me Oh your your channel is ninety percent comedy and there's a lot of comic potential here so I can totally imagine you wanting to make a comedy video on it but it's like with there are people who take the time to defame me and to do so in some is a very self-righteous way it's like well if you have that level of interest to take a position on this why don't you have the level of interest to at least watch the videos that are on my channel or talk to me because as you just saw it's not that hard to find me it's not a touch with me if this one you want to know no but I assume so the thing you said earlier that's maybe more worth responding to UM wasn't specifically about Julia bore you were asking but why I was in Chiang Mai at all and if I was baiting durianrider if I was trying to get that kind of reaction at durianrider um so I made another video on that which is actually on patreon it so it's a patreon subscriber-only video and I mean I really like in that sense I don't care if you don't believe what I have to say on that issue because I don't think that's really a bad thing now in reality the reason why i was in chiang mai at that time the reason why i'm going back to chiang mai soon by the way to doesn't have to do with during writer i had a job here in china i had to get a student visa i had to go to the hospital i had technical reasons to be in chiang mai I've been coming to chiang mai st. thing since 2003 or something I've become Chiang Mai for many many years chiang mai's a part of my life and I had other friends to visit in Chiang Mai there were other people on youtubes I had a whole bunch of reasons to be in shanghai at that time and meet up with people i wanted to meet and i had no plans whatsoever of confronting durianrider or seeing him or in any way interacting with the festival i never showed up at a single event but the flip side is if you don't believe that like if you think i went to that event in order to troll durianrider how does that make me a bad person you know cuz uh you know so did you say but to give an example like um what's ruining brianna jackfruit ssin she's done that every year she's done that for like three festivals running every time durianrider says he hates brianna and she's not invited the festival and she shouldn't come and she's persona non grata she's blacklisted she's not allowed to end brianna shows up anyway so I mean by britt britt jackfruit sim is not you know the most gangster vegan on the tube but she's been doing that for like for festivals running and nobody really cares not that big a deal so anyway if I did want to do that if I wanted to do exactly the same thing Brianna's done and that other vegans have done before too because they wanted to meet other vegans they're not there for durianrider there to hook up with other vegans on youtube you know i don't think they'll make me a bad person as it happens it's not true but if it were true it's like okay you're gonna hate me for that cuz it's not that big a deal ya know and i want to hate you i would i would call it diabolical haha and i would say that other people trying to enter the YouTube space or any kind of social media should take note and see how that they could you know maybe not do the same thing and they can make their own judgments on what they feel comfortable with doing but just to you know not hold back and sure I mean like I say you know it's like if the it gets to a certain point where you know like it's it's been a long enough now and like I mean it's look dude I'm I hope he gets feeling I'm not great I'm not offended at all though like I this stuff doesn't put me out we die before every every different angle I mean to me there was an emotional side of the story therefore durianrider because it didn't make sense for him to attack me that's how I didn't provoke him I didn't go in there events I wasn't I wasn't looking for trouble but we now know the day durianrider picked the fight with me on Facebook the same day he sent those facebook messages that are on my channel is the day he separated with freely and it's the day the one day when they missed their own events they had one day where they did not show up on the hill there's one famous hill that they would go up every day and do their crappy little conference thing right so there was one day where they didn't show up and it was so sudden they didn't send an announcement cuz obviously if you're not going to show up you just send text messages to people or send an email so they suddenly and unexpectedly didn't show up and then we now know in retrospect okay so that's the day when you know they really fell apart or they really fought with each other and that's the same day durianrider decided to come at me heavy so obviously there's a sense in which that guy went through a meltdown he was pretending he was defending freely and at the same time he was actually breaking up with her and we know we've seen the private text messages emails there's actually very human story for human drama from during writer's perspective that again has nothing to do with me and in terms of what he did against me again he has a record every year for several years running he'd done something like that so I mean only a few months earlier there was another guy who be accused of being a pedophile and you know we accused other he made unbelievable allegations and threats against people Gannon again over time so it's not really a new pattern behavior but again maybe this is the boring stuff III don't know what aspect injures you from my perspective it is interesting that I talked to Mike you and you know at the start you want to say you you don't trust me and you don't trust me specifically on on on this issue of what really happen okay so to be clear I think actually it's not that you don't trust me on what happened in Chiang Mai you don't trust me on why it happened would that be fair to say um explain that briefly okay so i think the point is it's not that you don't trust me about about what happened like for instance um was there really a fistfight or not or who threatened who or who started a door who sent which email like it's not on that level of specific events it's not that you don't believe me about whether or not i had a torrid love affair with Julia bore it's not about that kind of fact I think your point was you don't trust me in terms of what were my motivations for being in Chiang Mai at that time is that would that be fair no no no no no IIIi wouldn't doubt that you had you know many motivations to be in Chiang Mai I think it's just that and perhaps you know it just seems so convenient I mean like I say if you hadn't done it I mean somebody you know she probably should have somebody should have stepped in and capitalized on the fact that yeah you know cuz durianrider had the thing about the last festival where he got you know upsetting he cried on his laptop cuz he was reading a story that a girl had and he was like you know I'm gonna make sure that this never happens again I mean right it would make sense for somebody to you know capitalize on that and of course that's not fair to you before somebody like in my position that's just looking on to like us assume that about you but that would I say that that influenced my dessert like thoughts on it potentially yes but like it like again like I say if I was betting it on vague in Vegas if I had to hypothetically obviously never would have to but if I did I mean it wouldn't be like it'd be kind of stupid to not let you know something like that influence my decisions I like walls you know somebody probably was going to capitalize on this or they should have any way look dude I don't find that I say I don't find that offensive at all I just say I think the difference in you and me is you're approaching it from a kind of logical perspective of what seems plausible and I'm fortunate through perspective someone who knows what actually happened and why it happened which doesn't have to do with logic because i'm not making inferences or guesses so tell you one other interesting part of the story which does reveal how it happened I happened at that time so to say the day durianrider really decided to escalate the conflict with me was apparently the day he split up with freely and like maybe four days before that like just a few days before I for is not an exact number let's say four days before that he and freely were still together ostensibly at least there was still standing side by side at the grocery store and it's a particular grocery store in Chiang Mai that the raw till 4 people go to to know where this rare but it is so I had grocery stores especially associated with their their cult followers um and uh they bumped into leah pram staller so Leah prime star used to have a youtube channel i believe it's now closed or she just deleted all her videos but she's quit the game so Leah her interview with me is still on my channel and freely and during writer apparently watched that whole interview it's I don't know if it's an hour long but it's a pretty long substantial interview I had with her and she is one of the people who talk to me honestly and openly about the fact that among other things she got fat on free Lee's diet right and it's it's not a secret it's not a mystery and she got fat she gained that weight in Chiang Mai living there continuously she went for the festival she was a true believer and she moved there she rented an apartment she dropped at a school in order to be there so in some ways it's like the most extreme case of the true believer right and in some ways not she's a really she's a hard to describe character she's not a kind of stereotypical true believer in some ways uh so that story really hurt them they were really really shocked by that even though like for you and me that's kind of not shocking and you can say it's it's an important story to tell here's a young woman she like when I talked to her she was over 21 I'm sorry forget if she was I forgot her age but okay here's someone who dropped out of school who really became a devout believer partly because she had other health problems before she discovered their diet and a lot of people do that they have some disease disorder and you know durianrider saying that their diet will cure all your problem solve all your problems that appeals to them so what for her it wasn't about weight loss of beauty it was about feeling healthy curing her sicknesses etc etc and she actually moved to Thailand live with them and then while she was in Thailand eating all this fruit you know she got fat to be blunt I she gained a lot of weight now again shows in a sense no offense how shallow freely in dura mater are there's a lot of things they could be angry about on my channel they could be they could say hey this guy's approached the history of Cambodia is all wrong no not going to happen that video really hurt them and when they met her in that grocery store they freaked out they just you know cussed the [ __ ] out of her and said she was subhuman and said she was exiled from the community and no not only would they never talk to her again nobody in the durianrider cult would ever talk to her again this company so there's this ridiculous confrontation only a couple is over so no like when I tell you that my point is this is the kind of thing that tells you a human emotions human motivations it tells you why during writer freely did what they did what they were feeling how they were thinking and she Lea pram stole she was one of the people I was there to meet with just as a friend she was a fellow vegan in Chiang Mai who was anti durianrider basically anti-rattle for she was someone that interviewed in my channel she was one of my reasons for going to shame I was just to meet with her and talk with her right now again you if you want to describe that as me provoking durianrider in reality it is I did that interview with Leah it provoked durianrider like objectively it's a fact that was very provocative to or shocking to during right but my reason for doing that interview and putting on my reason for then going to meet her face-to-face was not you know anything was not to create that kind of conflict you know so just say but like to me the objective reading of that and the subject of reading that they're not incompatible like it's fine if you if you watch that video i don't think it's that interesting you but because a lot of it's about diet but you can you can watch that you can say okay this is objectively a threat to everything during writer and really believe in it's a threat to them selling books it's a threat to them convincing people their diet helps you lose weight right like it's a threat to a lot of things that are important to them but you can also see my motivations or not to do that or not to start a fistfight with your Ian rider or anything you know what I mean so you can see I'm talking to this young woman because I think oh well here's an intelligent person who used to be a true believer in this and now she's evolved so I'm not offended by what you say at all and like from an outsider's perspective there's some truth to it but from an insider's perspective I can tell you exactly what happened why it happened if you want to know so when you're in Las Vegas you bet on about 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