Why I'm Against Trolling: Veganism is Not a Game.

everything in reality is very serious so
I like to have a look have a bit of fun and not really take it too seriously do you understand what I mean I've honest yen you have to realize whether i'm criticizing freely or criticizing nina and randa my purpose the reason why i'm on youtube is serious as chancer I'm not [ __ ] around a very seriously I'm very passionate and I sacrifice my time to make that happen I need this room for boys and I like yeah yes there's room for both no no there's riverboat but not on my youtube channel think about what percentage no no think about what percentage of making YouTube is all the other [ __ ] and my channel is like the one special place where I say the [ __ ] doesn't cut it so no there is a report on my channel no not at all you want to [ __ ] around the whole rest of you tube is for [ __ ] around given that i'm in the percentage of people who are sharing their real life they're real struggle i'm actually weeping on camera I'm talking about everything going on in my real life whether it's my job or my divorce or my aspirations for being in activism and you want me to respect you why you did you started this conversation by asking me to respect that was absolutely what you're asking you were making a coherent argument which I understand and I'm and I've been a hundred percent straight with you saying I have zero respect for you zero hey guys I feel like I need to reiterate some of the basic concepts in this video as basic and blatant as they are because I know I'm really delivering a message here that people don't want to hear and the young woman I'm speaking to in this dialogue this very one sided dialogue your vote to hear she didn't want to hear it and she didn't get the message when I say I have zero respect for I really mean that and although I criticize other vegan activist on this channel there were hours and hours of critique that I engage in because i think that is politically necessary and productive and useful the people I criticized by and large I would not say that I have zero respect for them very often I can and do list off the things I do respect for them even freely even durianrider even some of the people who ridiculous opinions about why vegans treaty chicken eggs things I disagree with or may even feel upset about or feel offended by very often I can still look at those people and say well they share the same objectives I do there are differences of degree between us the difference in strategy and tactics you know I strongly disagree with someone like Gary Yourofsky because he endorses violence and I am anti violence and I endorse only legitimate Democratic methods of pursuing social change if you live in a democratic society such as Canada Germany France etc um yes there are deep and fundamental differences to myself and other vegans and there's critique there but very often the people i'm criticizing i can still recognize that they are in their way vegan activist that they are in their way pursuing goals that I sympathize with even if I think they're misguided or ineffective or what have you in this conversation I am speaking to someone who is a troll and who starts coming to you by identifying herself as a troll it's not nothing about and that's how I knew her was that she made mean-spirited insulting um you know in defamatory and slanderous comments on my youtube channel so she got blocked so the base of this conversation was that she got blocked and didn't like being blocked so she thought she'd come on my channel and sweet-talk me and I think she really didn't get as simple as it is that I'm telling her I have zero respect for you I have zero respect for what you're doing in the vegan movement and she actually starts the conversation with quite high self-esteem she really feels that she's doing something positive as a troll as someone who makes trolling comments to the YouTube now that's a bit surreal and bizarre to me and it may reflect how out of touch with reality she is it may reflect how out of touch with reality our whole generation is I do have trolls and haters who have stayed on my on my YouTube we've never been blocked but you know you gotta have someone being called a hater though I more patroller you know I don't I don't hate you I don't hate anyone alright that interpretation that any sort of criticism will be seen as hate or even if you just troll someone I mean I very few people hate so and there's not really melis I haven't gone off to your family or anything like that and I wouldn't want to I don't know anything well I know what you've said online but i don't really know all that much about your personal hater i thought you would see something more eloquent well i'm just so even the humorous cheetah as well i'm referring back to your actual comments on my on my youtube channel at that time so that's my memory view but yeah and you made you made some comments that result in you being blocked make you child please that's either yeah but you know i mean i'm not i'm not on the internet for that right like I mean for me fundamentally I'm sure you've seen enough my videos to know I really do see what I'm doing on on the internet as shall we say making a foundation for real activism I do not regard youtube as real activism but I do regard YouTube as creating connections between people who can really cooperate and really be part of a meaningful movement in the future so you know um you know it's just not what I'm about I mean you you know in defending yourself now which is fine I didn't ask you defend yourself but you were comparing yourself to people like vegan cheetah and blue wren and saying that you don't cross certain lines I said that I've made video is about data yeah but I mean you're describing what you're doing is trolling and so on so I mean I understand that's your perspective but in my perspective is not that trolling is okay or neutral or good my perspective is I'm actually waiting into this cesspool of vegan youtube and you know trying to make some positive happen um you know like you know you use an example publishing that children's story book right so uh yeah I i will go into this just so you can hear my perspective on this yeah yeah um do you want to finish up or should I explain no you talk I it's fine you go ahead now oh ok well for me it's more r um well well there's one interacting with like-minded people which I do appreciate um but I'm realistic that I know that I'm probably not going to make friendships outside of of YouTube and I I use YouTube is more of an escape from reality because okay that everything in reality is very serious so I like to have a lot have a bit of fun and not really take it too seriously do you understand what I mean yeah hmm for those of us though I mean like if I can characterize that is playing games if I can characterize the type of trolling the type of comets used to make them a YouTube channel before you got blocked as playing games you have to understand some of us are here on YouTube and we're not playing games so there's a natural antipathy or there's a natural distance between people like you and people like me no it doesn't mean you're a bad person but it means the people like me don't want to waste their time with you now it could be that in real life but it could be in real life you're the world's greatest activist but I don't know you as that I know you as the person who's making trolling comments on my youtube channel right so that's what it is you know do some pretty like good comments on your channel so I don't understand why I was blog I don't I didn't see it as scrolling when I would commenting is this was before I had a YouTube um before I was making videos yes I do recall that yeah but we're talking about five months ago six months ago now but yeah yeah I'm not saying a car sorry I made a comment about varying degrees of intelligence I made a comment about that I think that's what got me blocked I assure you I have absolutely no memory of which comment or comments led to be blocking you but I was making a broader point here about the difference between people who are interested in and aspiring to do real activism be involved in your politics even if we can't be because like in terms of my current life situation in China with my divorce with needing to earn money those are the things the actual capacity in my life to do real activism is almost zero you know but I'm not here to play games with vegan cheetah even though that's bit that's become part of what I do or part of what I'm known for on youtube but mean you have to realize like I and many people I understand they don't see me that way I got a comment a few days ago from someone who asked me they were not joking they were not trolling they asked me directly on you now would I ever consider doing a video that contained no coarse language and just talked about politics and I told them like I've uploaded well over 400 videos now and like what do you think like 250 of them like minimum 250 of them fit that description like have no swearing talk about politics Doug bhopal to convene ISM so and I'm not boasting it's just like this is a person who's commenting me and I think the only videos of mine they've seen our me telling cheetah that he's a sack of [ __ ] you know or me explaining to someone no I didn't have sex with that 16 year old or you know addressing one of these other ludicrous controversies that people like people like blue wren try to get famous from exploiting and that people like cheetah cheetah to some extent has succeeded in getting his little measurement so it is saying that's not why I'm here and I wasn't here for any of the crap with during writer I'll either so I just say it's very different now how many people are like me on youtube in having that agenda and having those priorities having the size extremely few so I understand you say that what you do is troubling is harmless okay I don't even want to debate that if it's a waste of my time I can block you i can delete you know what i mean like that's it cuz that's not what my youtube channels about I'm fine with it not I do it because I don't really agree with just blocking people all forms of communicate and effects you should be expected and you should get them out no no no no you used a crucial word there you used respect it and I have a video stating very clearly even in the title I don't respect you I don't respect your question I don't respect my audience notice this is the part where we respectfully disagree there I'm expressed my opinion so there's there's just a different in opinion they're actually built pretty positive relationships with people spin entertainment but I feel like I've built up a few constituencies with people because of the content that I've made because I haven't made it to series I've made it light-hearted yeah but I mean not everything is light-hearted I really have a core case ongoing right now in Chiang Mai Thailand and having people saying that I'm a fraud and that I stole money is not a joke to me this is my real life you know I really have an ongoing divorce case in France and people claiming that I'm a pedophile or some kind of other miscellaneous sexual predator sex criminal is not a joke to me maybe it is to you maybe that's the kind of thing you troll about or make comments you think of funny about but but bottom but but no but bottom line you have to realize whether i'm criticizing freely or criticizing nina and Randa because there are videos on my channel that are kind of comedic or not taking themselves too seriously for sure my purpose the reason why I'm on YouTube is serious as cancer I'm not [ __ ] around I'm very serious with the vegan movement I'm very passionate about it and I sacrificed my time to make that happen because I think there's room for boys and I like yes yes there's room for both no no there's room for both but not on my youtube channel think about what percentage no no think about what percentage of vegan YouTube is all the other [ __ ] and my channel is like the one special place where I say the [ __ ] doesn't cut it so no there isn't room for it on my channel no not at all hahaha you want to [ __ ] around the whole rest of you tube is for [ __ ] around like it can you make a list in your mind of anyone else doing videos on YouTube within the digital be big and anyone that takes it as seriously as I do that really cares that is even like because I said that [ __ ] I said that [ __ ] job s III can't but like it's a short list i have a list on my computer of other channels I've got respect for but it's a goddamn shortlist partly because most people who want to take those things seriously they get scared off of youtube by exactly the muckraking the scandal mongering the insults the low the low morale tenor of what goes on so those people don't want to come on here there were university professors and want the interview want to do podcasts at to my channel they wouldn't come on because there are respectable people so they don't want to talk about veganism on YouTube even though they talk about veganism in a university setting to a tiny crowd of 20 or 30 people you know so much less work to put on YouTube and reach a thousand people they don't want to do it but now so you know that's it I mean you know yes different be upset there's a million times different people on YouTube are playing different games by different rules do I respect the blue wren no do I respect his opinion no do I want his opinion on my channel no he has his own channel where we can all ignore him fine so that's that's the way the game is played but you expect me to pretend I respect a scumbag like the blue ran I don't why would I yeah I'm hearing out your perspective and it's it's not a perspective that I share but I I'm understanding where you're coming from now so it making it's making more sense to me because there was a blocking communication where I couldn't express my thoughts on it so I'm glad that I can actually conversation with you and well know you could have at any time yeah you could have at any time written to me through email or through or through patreon but I mean through email the difference between email and making comments on my youtube channel is that if you write to me a private email you're not stunting for a crowd you're not trying to get attention from random anonymous people who are there listening and people's behavior is remarkably different in private email as opposed to public comments on YouTube exactly what you get rid of is that kind of trolling and that kind of attention seeking which you say you engage in and you expect me to both respect and host on my youtube channel which I'm never going to do it's not what my youtube channel is for you know I'm leaking this user channel again so I have a three-year-old daughter she's gonna see it 10 years from now or something I don't know when she's 13 this youtube channel i can get hit by a bus anytime and this youtube channel is gonna be the only way my daughter ever hears my voice to me it's all very very serious even when i'm joking around you know so some of it yes we can indulge in you know short-term controversies vegan cheetah said another outrageous thing about me blah blah blah but no I mean to me you know it's it's serious business I devote the time to it and you know for me that's rewarded by meaningful relationships for the small number of people I understand me your point is you joke around okay I don't I mean everyone else on YouTube is joking around but you know for me even when I'm joking it serious yeah difference in it and then mm I don't know I mean look among the people I've impacted you know ironically are people like vegan sheet himself vegan cheetah change his whole life and enrolled in University and went back to school and everything because of my influence on it which is bizarre dramatic whole bunch of other people who are not famous or he wouldn't have heard of have really changed their lives and have written to me talking about what they changed in terms of political activism in terms of career what have you have you so there is a level of trust and there are limits to you know how much you can joke around but look I'm out here you're not using your real name so I don't know your real name nobody knows you're gone i'm using my real name this is my legal name when durianrider said i was using a fake name I held up my passport and as you know he doxxed me and defamed me and carried on I'm not wearing a mask I don't think you even use your real face you don't put your face on YouTube do you okay so i know you're defending what you see as just joking around well I'm not [ __ ] around this is my real face this is my real name this is my real life this is my real divorce these are my real aspirations for activism cetera et cetera and when I put a video up talking about the children's storybook I was going to publish this is where he branched off before um there was immediately a response from durianrider and cheetah jointly sitting down discussing here on you nail on a live stream discussing how they could sabotage my plans to publish a children's story book okay how they could defame me and denounce me and claim that i'm a scam artist or how they could get in touch with the publisher while this kind of thing all right so this is my real name now look up I challenge you I defy you the same way I challenged Joe best to write your own children's story book publisher on children story book or do anything that positive because in terms of vegan activism you know unlike standing on the street and screaming unlike protesting front of parliament that is something that is just completely positive completely constructive etc etc right um now you know I just say I would encourage anyone to do it but when I do it that's the horse [ __ ] I have to deal with and yes it is partly because of people like you it's partly because of people like Joe vegan it's partly because of people I vegan cheetah who actively tell lies about me again and again because they think it's funny because they think it'll make them famous because they think it'll make them money etc etc now you may not see yourself that way but yeah in terms of me ban you from the comment section why would I see you as any different why were you any better than any of those people have just named let's find you where's where's one where's your face to where's your name three where's your activism for where's your children's storybooks five where's your struggle where's your real life what's your real life on the Internet I don't know what the [ __ ] you do with your life I I came on talking about my unemployment I came on talking about my applications to get jobs I came on talking about my applications to join the army it's all on the internet for me so yeah it's real shit's real and for you it's not it's a [ __ ] game so I didn't hear your crap yeah anything it don't be that ISIL You Don't Know Who am exactly my point yeah so why would I respect you so what wait wait so use your spec why would I respect you why does beeping so one you're anonymous to you're wearing a mask three you're taking no risk for so far as i know you're contributing nothing to the movement you know you're not a look for all I know maybe you did a fundraiser to support my court case I didn't hear about it maybe you're gonna do a fundraiser support my children's book I didn't your mother maybe you're going to start your own court case maybe you're gonna publish your own children's book I don't know [ __ ] about that all I know about you is that you're a clown on the internet so why would I respect you let's be clear someone like durianrider I think it's very important to criticize them to criticize him when he gives diet advice and exercise advice and when he gives political advice and it's very very important that we all draw a line when he makes threats of violence against people when he engages in serious defamation against people and say no more you know I that is very important however I would not say I have zero respect for during writer and I cannot say the durianrider is not a vegan activist he is he's a vegan activist whom I criticized in disagree with and there are some things I agree with him on there are some opinions of his that I respect and I've commented many many times the channel with both during right around freely the various things where I do either sympathize with them or respect them for what they've done um that's not such a black-and-white issue okay this troll this self-described troll starts off the conversation by feeling absolutely the cheese in the right by representing herself as someone who had been wronged because she had been blocked from common image and she had a friend who is who was also blocked and she wanted him to be unblocked and she felt that she represented um the high virtue of freedom of speech and that she was doing something really positive and she said some points she's bringing people together by being a troll and she's starting meaningful conversations [ __ ] throw this is really really really out of touch with reality I remember her comments and you could I just before making this I went and looked again at some of her comments hating on me know this is not critique this is not constructive criticism this is not political activism or advocacy and as is talked about here she's not using her real name she's not using her real face she's not risking anything she's not sharing her real life experience which by the way is something I respect freely for I've always said I respected freely fundamentally for just coming on camera and talking about what her life was like back when she was a waitress she was a bartender or she worked in a bar when she did those kind of jobs to me that's something fresh and original and real and sincere that anyone can come on YouTube and share you can come on and say hey this is my name this is my face this is my experience in life even if it's just working as a waitress I actually do respect that I respect that about freely I respect about anyone who makes that commitment and there is an element of risk but sadly what people like this young women don't realize the risk is itself created and reinforced by people like her it's created by the trolls the reason why respectable people don't want to come on YouTube and show their face and show their name the reason why people are afraid need to participate positively and contribute positively lamentably is exactly people like this but I'm asking given that I'm in the percentage of people given that I'm in the percentage of people who are sharing their real life they're real struggle I'm actually weeping on camera I'm talking about everything going on in my real life whether it's my job or my divorce or my aspirations for vegan activism and you want me to respect you why you did you started this conversation by asking me to respect that was absolutely what you're asking you were making a coherent argument which understand and I'm and I've been a hundred percent straight with you saying I have zero respect for you zero I don't like I didn't like the [Music] hostility I don't want hostility in a conversation that's not what I want so yeah and you enjoy trolling yeah it's the bring people together it's just just for fun it people can just a lot but it's not fun it's not fun for those of us who have our real lives and our real names in a real face in the internet you have none of that so that's what I'm asking you to appreciate maybe you should quit trolling maybe you should turn over a whole [ __ ] new leaf in your life as I've already stated she has the delusion that she's doing something really positive and something that I ought to respect yeah it's to bring people together it's just just rip on it she began this by totally believing that I would respect her and the basic point I was trying to through to his no I have absolutely zero respect for you I have zero respect for what you do and I don't feel ashamed in the least that I have blocked you from my youtube channel she doesn't get it from start to finish in this conversation she absolutely does not get it and at no point did she feel shaken from her high horse because in this conversation she comes into it on a high horse that she is in every way superior to me and what I'm doing my channel that she represents freedom of speech as she represent something positive in the vegan movement the vegan community and guys that is really the assumption i think our whole generation has to challenge I I completely understand why the same people who play video games see posting insults on the internet as a game in itself and it's not okay it's not it's not a legitimate form of entertainment to come on the internet insulting people it's not and yes I mean you know her excuse for herself is that what she does is harmless that also comes up in this conversation I said where I'm not here to debate that I mean yell playing video games is also harmless I'm here debate that I'm here to challenge you I'm asking you to instead to stop what you're doing and do something positive for the vegan movement you want me to respect you you do something positive I'm trying to publish this children's book click on the link in the description I've put together this children's book I've been talking to illustrators and want to get it illustrate and want to get published something completely positive for the vegan movement I'm able to say to this troll what the hell are you doing you're not even using your real face you're not even using your real name and you're so deluded that you really imagine that what you're doing is positive and you apparently can't understand why I would block you from my channel ok enough said you get to hear her perspective in little bits and pieces here but I gotta tell you her perspective is not worth hearing and at the end of this conversation I think she was just a deluded issue was the beginning and she still fundamentally doesn't understand that most basic point that I have zero respect for her i banished yen