Sex, Sobriety, Vegan Activism: Rachel Ziegler.

it's hard to be sex positive
and that's because it's hard to be positive about human nature when you talk to some young people teenagers and early 20s they sometimes say things to you like they believe the ideal way to organize society is just to have everybody carrying a loaded gun at all times because then there wouldn't be any crime nobody would get mugged if everyone had military training and was carrying a gun at all times yeah you know the problem with what you're telling me is that you're talking about people have you have you met any people do you know any people it's not the guns that are the problem in this equation have you ever have you ever seen what happens when two people start a fist fight in a movie theater have you and of course they haven't been in these kinds of situations i remember fights breaking out in china and uh in internet cafes and then the mob mentality takes over and none of those people well they had no no weapons but their keyboards um what happens when one shot gets fired in a darkened movie theater then everyone else whips out their guns it's hard to be positive about the right to bear arms because of human nature it's hard to be positive about our rights and privileges and freedoms in terms of sexuality and even about freedom of speech because of human nature and we are living in a day and age when anyone can create a website titled blank is a sexual predator fill in the blank with your name or the name of some loved one you have blank is abusive to women anyone can make any allegation on the internet if you have a little little bit of fame here on youtube instagram social media those accusations could have terrible haunting long-term consequences for all of the people involved including the person making the allegations quote on november 26 2020 i was at a small thanksgiving gathering that kevin organized at his now current girlfriend's house late into the night after hours of dancing drinking eating etc everyone left the house except for me tyler and kevin as well as two other activists who went upstairs to sleep we will hear more from that upstairs perspective in just a few minutes kevin then began pressuring me into having a threesome with him and his best friend tyler while we were all heavily intoxicated he relentlessly and belligerently yelled for tyler to take off his pants so that i could quote suck his dick close quote without asking or getting my clear consent and in fact after i was repeatedly telling him to stop kevin was yelling this for what was probably 40 or more minutes while saying things like quote look at this hot girl doesn't she have a nice ass don't you want to stick your dick in her close quote i remember laughing out of awkwardness feeling very confused and objectified by kevin and not thinking that anything sexual would actually happen that night sidney jesperson replies today i was shocked and saddened here that rachel ziegler has come out and accused tyler and kevin of sexual abuse these are baseless unfounded ridiculous claims and i can attest to this as i was present the night the alleged abuse took place i'm the activist sleeping upstairs mentioned in her statement to be clear i'm not discussing michelle or cat only rachel thanksgiving day i went to meet up with rachel and kevin in la she was obsessed with the song [ __ ] wet ass make that pull out game week and kept playing it on the tv she was dancing laughing and drinking she was partying she continued to drink more of her own free will getting louder and talking about orgies eventually people left so me and my partner went upstairs to sleep once talk of hooking up was heard it became clear who was the uncomfortable one tyler he was in a relationship at the time and resisted rachel's physical and verbal fontling she was the one pressuring him and he was the one saying no tyler admitted he found racial attractive but didn't think it was a good idea rachel was the one who violated consent that night tyler is the victim of that night it's quite a stretch to go from talking about having orgies with kevin and tyler to abuse rachel even laughed at one point saying quote i wonder if they me and my partner can hear us i replied yes and their party continued rachel and kevin kept telling tyler to take his pants off and the rest is history rachel got the sexual experience she wanted and we all protested the next day rachel also changed the group chat name to orgy crew believe it or not there are screenshots to back this claim up is offended by cardi and megan ryman i'm more offended by trump inviting and [ __ ] the dnc and all the staffers and [ __ ] trump bunch of racist crackers the state of america i'm quite embarrassed the cop in a racist bite in harris it continues uh along these lines uh and it gets significantly significantly more vulgar fast forward to the end of january rachel invites tyler and myself to come stay in her home for the san francisco sax protest she was hesitant for one reason only covid19 and worried her roommates might not feel comfortable with us being there that's it not because of what happened thanksgiving 2020. tyler was invariably invited upstairs to rachel's room to you know do it this was 100 consensual that same night i was sleeping downstairs and overheard rachel expressing remorse for what she did to kevin she admitted he didn't abuse her but he was too rough for her liking she said she felt bad for getting him banned by dxe back in december rachel had amicable dialogues with kevin even apologizing for lashing out and being overly emotional she said she wanted to repair the relationship and continue on as friends returning to rachel's version of events while kevin was yelling for tyler and i to have sex i kept repeating tyler has a girlfriend i'm not going to do that to her i respect her after a while of me saying this tyler eventually said that he and his girlfriend had an agreement where they could sleep with other people if it was a one-time thing i didn't know what at the time but this was never an agreement that they had tyler was lying about this in order to get my consent tyler then continuously encouraged me to keep drinking knowing that this would be more likely to lead to me saying yes it first began by tyler and i awkwardly kissing on the floor of the kitchen kevin began cheering at this victory and persisting that we keep going yes that's a misuse of the word persisting but i won't digress i remember feeling a sense of being put on display for his amusement and being reminded of frat house party scenes and movies tyler was the first to take off an article of clothing before they both pressured me to take off mine as well saying okay rachel your turn it eventually led to us moving from the kitchen to one of the bedrooms where the threesome happened which i was barely conscious for i was so drunk that the next day i had to ask tyler if there was penetration because i couldn't remember he assured me that there was along with other details that i couldn't remember [Music] up to 80 percent or more men can get a meaningful response in their sexual abilities it may last six to 24 months and may make them more uh agreeable to responding to drugs like viagra libitra and alice or maybe not needing those drugs at all up and down in this case the right side up and down the left side maybe down the top it's not more sensitive it's just the problem when you get way out to the tip not where the tangerines are let's make it a little more accurate you do where the banana inserts into the body a little bit in that area i think i'm pretty awesome like i think i'm relatively attractive i now have boobs which i didn't have like three hours ago but okay um also i'm like relatively smart as well pretty funny have a little bit of a personality there all in all i think i'm swell i think i'm pretty awesome kevin apologized the next day in a drunk text but admitted that even though his behavior was wrong and terrible that he just couldn't help himself because he was so attracted to me and that knowing himself would probably try to do it again tonight he also continued to use similarly poor judgment the rest of the week such as grabbing me in bed initiating sex despite us agreeing on being platonic friends and regularly driving while intoxicated on thanksgiving of 2020 november 26th myself kevin olive and rachel ziegler participated in a consensual sexual experience there was another activist listening to this entire event take place from the bedroom upstairs the following day november 27th rachel sent me a text saying one of the first things i said to kevin when i woke up was is it weird that i want to have sex with tyler again as well as i was not expecting that all to go down at all but definitely was not upset by it either there are indeed screenshots to back up these particular claims she also changed the name of our thanksgiving group chat which included five other activists to maximum wet orgy crew three months later rachel and i also engaged in intercourse for a second time during a trip to the bay for a protest i believe rachel has misrepresented me however rachel is a member of the animal rights community and deserves a voice while i reject the notion that there was any sort of consent issue with me rachel and kevin i also understand that emotions are complex and that she is entitled to a change of heart around the event there is quite a bit more reading you can do contrasting the primary sources for yourself as this controversy unfolds and i am providing you with the links below this video the most important conclusions for you to draw here don't concern the autobiographies of these three or six or nine vegan activists nor the strange fate of their particular love triangles love pentagons or other complex geometric configurations of how they sexually connected to one another the conclusions you need to draw are about yourself they're about how you're going to live your own life what terms and conditions you're going to impose on your own love life as i said at the start of this video it's very hard to be sex positive it's hard and yet in some sense i would urge you to take up the challenge to not let yourself give into the pessimism of being a sex negative person it may seem like a strange thing to insist on but what i find myself saying here on youtube again and again and again is that you really should care you really need to care about the intellectual and moral qualities of the people you fall in love with of the people you sleep with even of the people you flirt with and take the first steps to initiate a relationship with when you fall in love with someone you're making a judgment about them that they are worthy of your love that they are lovable that they are worth loving that they are worth building some kind of relationship or life with i feel that way even if frankly it's a short-term relationship i understand that people are driven to madness by the sense of regret for the people they have slept with they have seduced or that they have fallen in love with in the past because we don't just regret the bare fact that we had sex with them we are reflecting on and we are regretting who it is that we ourselves truly are what it is that we've become what it is that we accept who it is that we make excuses for who it is we judged to be worth loving and how that reflects profoundly on ourselves my sling is editorial explicit material briefcase show live and stereo flow fill me