The Ex-Vegan Euphoria: It's Kinky.

I got a simple straightforward and
fundamental question from the audience and it's a question I have not seen or heard answered already on the Internet so let's tackle it in a relatively short video here I was asked vegan a vegan honestly sincerely when these people go back to eating meat these people having been vegan for many years having been committed to the vegan cause morally ethically ecologically when they go back to eating meat so many of them experience these transformative effects whether that's in their sex drive in their sense of physical strength and vitality whether it is psychological or physiological we now have a pretty large sample size we have a significant amount of anecdotal evidence of people feeling that it's a revelation and a transformation they feel tremendously energized they feel some kind of effect when after being committed to veganism they go back to being they go back to being carnivores whatever you want to say why is this this is in one of the most heavily observed heavily discussed heavily researched areas of social anthropology ok it's because they're engaging in boundary-pushing behavior it's because they're engaging in taboo violating behavior now not everybody is like this I myself am completely alien to this experience of human nature but if you just start reading the autobiographies of historical figures doesn't really matter if they're like politicians or actors or actresses you will see there is an incredibly common pattern human psychology which was like when they were growing up as teenagers they tried to have sex with their boyfriend or girlfriend in the backseat of a car and the whole time they'd be terrified that their parents would find them or their older brother would find them that they'd be discovered they'd be caught and then they remained fascinated and excited by this for the rest of their lives they became a fetishist for having sex in the backseat of a car and just it just stays with them there are white people who grow up with a racist family and the American South and their whole life they have this fascination with being a white person having sex with black people because it was taboo because it was forbidden because they're crossing a line because they're engaging in boundary-pushing behavior there is a very clear psychological dimension to someone who adhered to and believed in and promote it a vegan diet someone who either believed this believed in this as a form of self-abnegation like they may have thought of it as a kind of monastic vow they may have thought of it in terms of personal purity they may have thought of it in terms of a moral mission to change the world like an externalized mission it's not about their self-improvement but about improving the world they may have thought about of it in terms of a humble service to help animals the suffering of animals however it was they thought of it it is ultimately a self-evident kink fetish boundary-pushing moral precept violating behavior that they get a thrill out of when they then return to eating meat and the psychological dimension this I think is transparent and it's demonstrable because all of these people can remember what it was like eating meat when they were just a kid growing up with their parents before they'd adopted veganism and it didn't have any of these effects on them like you know with some of these examples they never become like memes on the internet was being fun oh I ate fish for the first time in ten years and Wow I had this you know amazing transformation in my libido my sex drive it often is the sex drive do you notice that it off both male and female about several reports of this right well again I'm sorry this is one of the most study most talked about things in anthropology talk about kind of you know boundary-pushing and you know liminal zones of morality and so on sore liminal meaning on the limits of morality remember I even once read a sorry it can be any it can be any boundary that people are raised to not cross or in this case what's maybe a little bit more interesting is that it was a boundary that they probably adopted maybe teenagers but maybe in the early 20s it probably wasn't a moral precepts they grew up with where that was enforced on them by outside authorities so they believed in themselves but maybe that makes frankly the erotic effect of transgressing that boundary all the more thrilling and all the more satisfying so look I'll use two examples from opposite sides the other globe I knew a guy who was a boxer and I forget how far he took I think he was in the training camps to be on the Olympic team for boxing like you know what he was somewhat serious he was not a world champion boxer mean he was training seriously for boxing up at whatever level and you know he knew I was speaking we talked about vegan ethics and he described to me the scene of him going to a farm wasn't even really a slaughterhouse with a group of other you know young men trained to be boxers to drink the blood of a horse like a horse that was to be killed that day you can imagine this is like a [ __ ] Stone Age ritual I mean this is let's take it back to experiences people had 10,000 years ago you know and you know everyone doing this ritual they went this was legal by the way I mean saying that people eat meat this wasn't believable this was in France this is a white hand in France this is a Western civilization and you know they went and they had they each had a cup and you can imagine they're young guys who are in some ways nervous and in some ways may be cocky and proud and you know they stand around and you watch this animal die of course if you can used your imagination the blood comes out of the animal hot and thick and of course it's disgusting if you let yourself be disgusted but they want to seem tough they want us don't want to vomit it was like probably you can remember being a teenager and drinking vodka or turning whiskey for the first time and it doesn't taste good you're not used to something you can imagine there were a lot of psychological moments to this and this guy told me absolutely like with conviction that he got some kind of boost in drinking you know horse blood and as I recall he did it again I don't know how many times but he owned another occasion it was just it was just cow blood it was a slaughterhouse for cows and going into the hot blood so human him and this group of ass it was something not unknown within the subculture of boxers now you can do a chemical analysis and say okay what is actually in horse blood fat salt water if this there there are some things you can be reacting to there there's some level of chemical effect but primarily just this whole scenario the whole setup obvious what kind of effect is gonna having you and it's gonna have a lot of the quality frankly of some kind of dark satanic ritual there's gonna be a sense of fear fear of death seeing blood seeing this animal that the smell if you guys this vegan activist has been animal slaughterhouses you know there's a smell of the animals they stink already but you know there's the smell of death in the air it's it's probably that alone that even if you don't feel afraid consciously you're probably reacting that and feeling keyed up and so on then you drink this hot salty beverage um and you know I read another account I mentioned it in another video briefly of a young man who was fighting in the civil war in northern Myanmar and he went out and in very bizarre circumstances he was rescued basically by a tribe of local local people still living in in tribal conditions whatever gonna say local people living in very simple traditional conditions and to help him and the other the other guys with him they strung up a goat and so that's the road and offered him hot go tight and I mean he was somewhat starving at the time you know he didn't describe it positively he was he felt really disgusted by it he didn't want to shame the people who did this ritual for me cuz they were also trying to help him back from you know used to some extent dehydrated and starving and you know he didn't want to insult his host kind of thing but he described how revolting it was and then he felt kind of dizzy and weird and awful after during this uh if you just drink salt water if you drink the salt water from the ocean you can feel pretty weird so I also don't know if just the salt content is part of the problem or the psychoactive effect of drinking up a significant quantity of blood I don't animal okay so yeah there are exactly two dimensions to this story on one hand there's a kind of physiological medical nutritional reality of what's in the blood you're drinking or the meat you're eating yes that's not that complex that's a pretty short shallow story like guess what if you eat eggs you get a ton of fat and a ton of cholesterol and it's not a lot of food value in eggs you know if you suddenly start eating red meat you get a ton of salt a ton of protein ton of fat cholesterol and other stuff that's bad for you you know it's gonna have some effect on you but having a vegan protein shake you know I feel a little bit of a boost after drinking a vegan protein because I'm getting some getting some nutrients if you just drink something that's full of sugar you can get a boost from the sugar and caffeine and so on that side is is pretty shallow and pretty straightforward but um you know here on YouTube most people really play it cool I think you're kind of under estimating how much veganism meant to these same people and look I used the same verb you know you can call them fake vegans you can call them and sincere you can say they were never really activists or never really cared about ecology whatever all that's doubtless true you know all that more they're probably terrible people but for a lot of these people veganism was one of the most meaningful things they had in their life give a great example Charles Marlow completed yet complete scumbag former heroin addict junkie by his own admission by the way I'm not making any allegations here I can remember him talking to me and him saying to me in a very honest down-to-earth way that what he found veganism he was really searching for something he wanted something more meaningful in his life and you know not conventional religion he wanted a sense of meaning sense of direction a sense of moral purpose and veganism gave him those things and veganism gives you a self-discipline for many people a sense of personal purity again but even just that one word mission a sense of mission sense of direction that means a lot to people and by that same token violating that pushing the family's coin behind it wallowing in her own filth while eating that the laws of you're yourself that is gonna have for a lot of people some kind of some kind of psychologically throwing element so look guys I mention on this channel before relatively long time ago I do not experience jealousy I do not experience any kind of thrill in violating boundaries for the sake of finding boundaries doesn't turn me on and it really does nothing for me I mean all this you know a you know there are people who grow up in the Catholic Church and then they have fantasies about like you know having sex on the horrible wooden benches in the church and it's precisely because it's forbidden Melissa had a friend a female friend and she was tempted by this guy and she admitted she said to Melissa but you know what the worst thing is she said I know I only want this guy because it's forbidden because I'm not allowed to be with them she met him in like a workplace scenario there were various reasons why it was forbidden love oh yeah um first I was okay now now she's got a problem now she's that that's that's something you never say there are people for whom the forbidden and violating the law is something very exciting there must be some people who just who just grow out of it you know you tell me what is sexy about a pair of handcuffs really think about that I mean the pathetic thing about human nature is that a huge percentage of us I don't know it's 30% 40% Z percents look at a pair of handcuffs and get turned on because people people want to be restrained people want to be beaten and humiliated what and I know when I was a teenager what I didn't even know it up when I was like 17 there were fully grown women who wanted me to do this stuff to know there were there were girls my age too there were women around you thought oh wow this is some kind of tall self-confident guy you know in terms of what people get turned on by them what they get fascinated by you know the human mind creates these divisions boundaries create the division between black and white grow up between you know Christian and Jew between you know whatever you want to say you know Jew and Gentile I had one ex-girlfriend and she grew up Christian enough that it was it was a little bit thrilling for it was a little bit kinky just my Jewishness you know I don't think of myself that way I don't think of myself as exotic from her perspective you know that was you know that was exotic that was thrilling we even had there was some first-person testimony from privileged vegan another vegan youtuber here and she talked about how before she became vegan just because she grew up with the idea that like deep fried chicken wings or for men that it was thrilling for her to wear a leather jacket and he greasy unhealthy chicken wings out of a bucket she was doing something that like a blue-collar man would do and not something a refined erudite you know a woman would do like gender roles and social class all the sense of violating about it she felt thrilled by this she felt proud and powerful about this so you know people want to violate boundaries and and they experience it I think that is the purest word as a thrill it's not taking the peach out of the orchard it's knowing that you're climbing over a fence and stealing a peach and that you have to scramble to get back over the fence as quickly as possible and there's an attack dog coming from that is the bleak brutal reality of what human beings want and yet most people are too lazy and too self-indulgent and they don't actually get out of their chair and take real risks in the real world they don't do some of the crazy things I do they don't go to do humanitarian work on the border between Laos and Myanmar and have people threaten to kill them but none of these kinds of right they don't take meaningful risks in their life they want to take meaningless risks so I guess you can say in a phrase this is the psychology of the roller coaster ride but most people before they get to the roller coaster they put on their safety belts