Your Cat Hates You: Unnatural Vegan is Wrong, and it Really Matters.
30 June 2016 [link youtube]
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the term cognitive dissonance is
fashionable but we can't always be talking about cognitive dissonance sometimes self-deception must be just self-deception sometimes a lie must simply be called a lie I have a message within my patreon group from riyaz I just use first names when I refer to my patreon contributors but many of my pictures do use their their full names Ria's is an example of someone who actually had their mind changed on this matter by the videos I've made here the discussions and the podcasts have hosted talking about domestication of animals the ethical implications of this from a vegan perspective so it's not the case that there are just people who started the discussion at one extreme or started the discussion another there are actually people were thinking about this doing a bit of research and changing their minds Andrea's is one example so Ria's rights I'm shortening the message slightly this is about getting vegan pet owners to accept the cognitive dissonance to find a solution one must first accept that there is a problem that also that's really my emphasis of trying to get vegans individually and collectively to recognize that this is problematic we as continues it took me less than three minutes to find the following information when searching the term feline tubal ligation okay so three minute Google search change 3 s's perspective here we as gives me the the URL for the website this comes from and then quotes this is from a fro pro castration pro spaying and neutering website obviously says spaying your cat means never having to deal with her coming into season again no more plaintiff meowing in search of a mate no more stains no more urine spraying no more sneaking out the door between your legs and bolting off before you can catch her okay the reasons for spaying and neutering the reasons for castration are not population control the behavioral modification there to break the spirit of the animal they're part of a process of domestication and training that takes what could be a defiant independent self-reliant animal and turns it into a play thing for human beings many many vegans right in very lazily claiming that the difference between a dog and a wolf is explained by evolution domestication is not evolution to begin with this is a misconception and people use numbers like 40,000 years for the changes to talk whether or not you believe the Scot the Scottish Terrier has existed for 40,000 years is another question but these types of changes the selective breeding of dogs even the creation of the Scottish terrier which is less than 40,000 years ago this is also not evolution scientifically or just being rational and reasonable that is not the meaning of the term evolution but more fundamentally more generally most of what vegans are perceiving as an evolutionary difference is in fact a difference caused by castration spaying and neutering whatever you want to say and the total removal of an animal's reproductive system hormonal system from its body and then of course also the fact these specific animals these individual animals have been raised dependent on a human hand to feed them sometimes from birth sums they're separated from their parents as soon as they're born they do not grow up in a pack that you not like you know with dogs they don't grow up in a pack they don't grow up with their parents they grow up being petted and cared for by human beings or they grow up in a puppy mill and a mass breeding program these things profoundly alter the behavior of any animal not just dogs not just cats and you know throughout this I have been very intentionally making the comparison to animals like bears and deer okay if your justification for castration is population control look at the forms of population control we use for bears and deer you know population control as such is not justified castration all right castration what you do to a dog in domesticating a dog to try to turn it into a well-trained obedient house pet try to turn it into an animal that will live on your couch live in your apartment live in your backyard without spraying urine searching for mate without the example here was from cats that will not exhibit these natural behaviors will not try to you know exercise its instincts in a pack in hunting arranging and exploring we I remember I read a study this is recently just couple months ago in Canada study looking at the different options for population control for deer because as I've said in 2016 it's completely natural that natural natural hits not the word it's completely inevitable that human beings are engaged in wildlife management and wildlife management wildlife management takes many many forms but wildlife management does not justify a castration per se I remember the study i read concluded that the least invasive form of population control with deer aside from actually relocating them which is normally the biggest issue in canada because it can be quite expensive to relocate here um there was a drug that we could actually shoot out of a rifle it was basically equivalent to the birth control pill but you know as with humans there's a difference between the birth control pill and castration there's a difference between the birth condemn and castration there's a difference between allowing a population of deer to continue living in a way that is coherent with its own set of instincts to feed itself to explore the rome to live a wildlife while humans are indeed perhaps worrying about managing their population at a minimum where that population is living but possibly also these other these other methods of you know conservation etc you know management of well populations of animals there is no resemblance between those questions and what we justify it make excuses for as normal even what vegans justify makes useful as normal with domesticated animals the best gay animals who are supposed to love you and whom you were supposed to love sick it's sick and it's twisted and I find the excuses made by vegans genuinely stupid and in many ways the stupidity is very closely parallel to the stupidity of meat eaters how many times have you heard me teeters say if you if you've been engaged these issues you will have heard meat-eaters say oh well it doesn't matter if the animal dies so long as it isn't aware that it dies so long as it doesn't suffer during its dying so the the killing itself from many meat-eaters perspectives not all many meat eaters will claim that the the killing of the animal has no moral significance it's only if the animal is aware of and suffers through its death that this is of moral significance well this is parallel to some vegans including unnatural being and making the completely scientifically false claim that a dog is not even aware of being castrated you ever met a dog you ever seen a dog dogs literally lick their own balls they look at they see they smell their own testicles okay there is no excuse for the self-deception the stupidity the dishonesty of claiming that a dog does not suffer that a dog is not damaged and being castrated no excuse for that as it talks literally like thrown Paul's it's a dog-eat-dog world people and as I said before there is no justification moral justification for domesticating an animal depriving of its dignity independence to be found in the act of rescue itself I do acknowledge that rescuing an animal is different from buying it but I do not see a justification for domesticating an animal shopping its balls off forcing it to live as a decoration apartment as a play thing for your family or children I do not see a justification for the exploitation of animals as pets in the act of rescue itself and the reason for that is that I'm vegan so sorry coming back to this message I got from riyaz who changed his or her mind so I actually don't know if it's a male name or female name we as we has changed his mind on this issue in response to my contribution of the discussion has another quote from the internet quote I don't yet see a way out of complete gonna deck Tamizh for felines so this is the polite term for castration chopping off the testicles cats are just not behaviorally amenable to in home living when their ovaries and testicles hold such an aggressive sway over the behavior close quote so this is another website admitting that the real purpose of castration etc is to modify the behavior of these animals again from my perspective to deprive them of dignity to deprive them of their normal range of instinctive behaviors to deprive them of their instincts and to make them into toys for human beings to enjoy ok close quote but now riaz himself or possibly Ria's herself sore I don't know Ria's goes on to say never again can I look at rescuing dogs and cats the same way Thank You izel even if I never get anything more from your content again I will still be very grateful so on this one issue this one vegan got a new perspective from what I had to say here now look I mean you know unnatural vegan accuses anyone who disagrees of her with of pseudoscience that anyone who disagrees there at su design so if I say that domesticated pigs can go feral my view is pseudo scientific despite enormous evidence all over the world of what happens when domesticated pigs escaped from farms and become Pharaoh I've seen it myself lots of people have seen it you can read studies of it it's no mystery it's not like finding the cure for cancer the behavior of pigs that go feral is the most widely observed thing in the world feral pigs and pigs reverting to wild boar babe but I'm accused of pseudoscience meanwhile it's supposedly scientifically respectable for unnatural vegan to claim that dogs are not even aware they don't suffer in any way they are not harmed in any way by castration is that cognitive dissonance or is that just a lie by complete coincidence I have seen a scientific study proving the opposite and now most science is biased not all but a lot of Sciences bias and the report I read that was scientifically proving that dogs do suffer that they are aware of the the harm done to them by a vikus tration um that was research funded partly funded by and promoted by um the new t'kul industry so within the world of veterinary science there are companies that try to make money by convincing you that you shouldn't just have your dog neutered but that you should pay for a cosmetic surgery that simultaneous the same time so that the the vet doesn't just cut off testicles but the debt vet does a more sophisticated surgery that replaces the testicles with fake testicles with silicone replacement testicles so that both the appearance of the dog is preserved the dog looks more like a natural dog and so that the dog is less aware of the change of the harm done so that when the dog is looking at and licking its own balls it's not doesn't suffer in the same way so like many things you know like research promoted by I don't know the alcohol industry or any other industry this was one of those cases when there was a profit motive behind the promoting a certain set of scientific findings not merely an animal-rights motive look guys you know i'll come back to what r es said same thing i have to say to find a solution we first have to accept that there is a problem I do appreciate the letters of support and appreciation of Godin from a whole range of vegans I know that my taking a stand on this means a lot personally emotionally intellectually to many vegans who have tried to take a stand on this and who have been shouted down denounced and hated by the crazy cat ladies among us there are many many vegans who are simply living a lie who are living a lie that buying a dead cow is okay as long as you're feeding that cow dr pet cat or who are living a lie about the nature of domestication itself the nature of companionship itself the moral justifications for having a companion animal or for other specific procedures such as castration if you think from watching my videos then my videos have at any point supported the mass proliferation of stray cats or stray dogs I'm sorry but I really do think you're an idiot and no point in any of my videos did I support the mass proliferation of stray deer or stray bears in our cities I talked about habitat conservation wildlife management etc I don't want bears eating out of the garbage can in the middle of downtown Victoria any city in the world any city I don't want deer eating out of garbage cans in downtown Victoria that's a real problem many cities in Canada have bears and deer coming into the city I also do not want cats or dogs living as strays in downtown cities because my whole argument from alpha to omega is that we should be treating cats and dogs fundamentally with the same standard of dignity that we apply to bears deer penguins etc the moral obligation on us if we rescue animals if we rescue penguins or rescue a dog the moral burden we're accepting is to try to provide them with an environment as close as possible to their natural habitat to their wild conditions while we've rescued them and that we should attempt to reintroduce them to the wild which may be gradual it may be it may be impossible then you know sometimes we rescue Tigers and there's just no way we can revel attacker to the wild but that's still not a justification for castrating the tiger for turning the tiger into a house pet for treating the tiger like a toy if you rescue a tiger and you can't return to the wild you still have a moral obligation to try to provide it with a light as close as possible to its natural habitat that may be a zoo enclosure maybe some other half way compromise you have to make but yeah that is for me the moral baseline it's taking the existence of these animals in the wild is a standard if you watch what I have to say on this topic on this channel you're going to find that what I ever say is nuanced it not only admits of gray areas and contradictions I emphasize and draw attention those queries of contradictions but fundamentally folks as vegans we have to admit to ourselves that this is a problem and the level of denial and self-deception on this has exactly presented prevented anyone from admitting that there is a problem and it has long delayed that constructive discussion of possible solutions thank you for your time
fashionable but we can't always be talking about cognitive dissonance sometimes self-deception must be just self-deception sometimes a lie must simply be called a lie I have a message within my patreon group from riyaz I just use first names when I refer to my patreon contributors but many of my pictures do use their their full names Ria's is an example of someone who actually had their mind changed on this matter by the videos I've made here the discussions and the podcasts have hosted talking about domestication of animals the ethical implications of this from a vegan perspective so it's not the case that there are just people who started the discussion at one extreme or started the discussion another there are actually people were thinking about this doing a bit of research and changing their minds Andrea's is one example so Ria's rights I'm shortening the message slightly this is about getting vegan pet owners to accept the cognitive dissonance to find a solution one must first accept that there is a problem that also that's really my emphasis of trying to get vegans individually and collectively to recognize that this is problematic we as continues it took me less than three minutes to find the following information when searching the term feline tubal ligation okay so three minute Google search change 3 s's perspective here we as gives me the the URL for the website this comes from and then quotes this is from a fro pro castration pro spaying and neutering website obviously says spaying your cat means never having to deal with her coming into season again no more plaintiff meowing in search of a mate no more stains no more urine spraying no more sneaking out the door between your legs and bolting off before you can catch her okay the reasons for spaying and neutering the reasons for castration are not population control the behavioral modification there to break the spirit of the animal they're part of a process of domestication and training that takes what could be a defiant independent self-reliant animal and turns it into a play thing for human beings many many vegans right in very lazily claiming that the difference between a dog and a wolf is explained by evolution domestication is not evolution to begin with this is a misconception and people use numbers like 40,000 years for the changes to talk whether or not you believe the Scot the Scottish Terrier has existed for 40,000 years is another question but these types of changes the selective breeding of dogs even the creation of the Scottish terrier which is less than 40,000 years ago this is also not evolution scientifically or just being rational and reasonable that is not the meaning of the term evolution but more fundamentally more generally most of what vegans are perceiving as an evolutionary difference is in fact a difference caused by castration spaying and neutering whatever you want to say and the total removal of an animal's reproductive system hormonal system from its body and then of course also the fact these specific animals these individual animals have been raised dependent on a human hand to feed them sometimes from birth sums they're separated from their parents as soon as they're born they do not grow up in a pack that you not like you know with dogs they don't grow up in a pack they don't grow up with their parents they grow up being petted and cared for by human beings or they grow up in a puppy mill and a mass breeding program these things profoundly alter the behavior of any animal not just dogs not just cats and you know throughout this I have been very intentionally making the comparison to animals like bears and deer okay if your justification for castration is population control look at the forms of population control we use for bears and deer you know population control as such is not justified castration all right castration what you do to a dog in domesticating a dog to try to turn it into a well-trained obedient house pet try to turn it into an animal that will live on your couch live in your apartment live in your backyard without spraying urine searching for mate without the example here was from cats that will not exhibit these natural behaviors will not try to you know exercise its instincts in a pack in hunting arranging and exploring we I remember I read a study this is recently just couple months ago in Canada study looking at the different options for population control for deer because as I've said in 2016 it's completely natural that natural natural hits not the word it's completely inevitable that human beings are engaged in wildlife management and wildlife management wildlife management takes many many forms but wildlife management does not justify a castration per se I remember the study i read concluded that the least invasive form of population control with deer aside from actually relocating them which is normally the biggest issue in canada because it can be quite expensive to relocate here um there was a drug that we could actually shoot out of a rifle it was basically equivalent to the birth control pill but you know as with humans there's a difference between the birth control pill and castration there's a difference between the birth condemn and castration there's a difference between allowing a population of deer to continue living in a way that is coherent with its own set of instincts to feed itself to explore the rome to live a wildlife while humans are indeed perhaps worrying about managing their population at a minimum where that population is living but possibly also these other these other methods of you know conservation etc you know management of well populations of animals there is no resemblance between those questions and what we justify it make excuses for as normal even what vegans justify makes useful as normal with domesticated animals the best gay animals who are supposed to love you and whom you were supposed to love sick it's sick and it's twisted and I find the excuses made by vegans genuinely stupid and in many ways the stupidity is very closely parallel to the stupidity of meat eaters how many times have you heard me teeters say if you if you've been engaged these issues you will have heard meat-eaters say oh well it doesn't matter if the animal dies so long as it isn't aware that it dies so long as it doesn't suffer during its dying so the the killing itself from many meat-eaters perspectives not all many meat eaters will claim that the the killing of the animal has no moral significance it's only if the animal is aware of and suffers through its death that this is of moral significance well this is parallel to some vegans including unnatural being and making the completely scientifically false claim that a dog is not even aware of being castrated you ever met a dog you ever seen a dog dogs literally lick their own balls they look at they see they smell their own testicles okay there is no excuse for the self-deception the stupidity the dishonesty of claiming that a dog does not suffer that a dog is not damaged and being castrated no excuse for that as it talks literally like thrown Paul's it's a dog-eat-dog world people and as I said before there is no justification moral justification for domesticating an animal depriving of its dignity independence to be found in the act of rescue itself I do acknowledge that rescuing an animal is different from buying it but I do not see a justification for domesticating an animal shopping its balls off forcing it to live as a decoration apartment as a play thing for your family or children I do not see a justification for the exploitation of animals as pets in the act of rescue itself and the reason for that is that I'm vegan so sorry coming back to this message I got from riyaz who changed his or her mind so I actually don't know if it's a male name or female name we as we has changed his mind on this issue in response to my contribution of the discussion has another quote from the internet quote I don't yet see a way out of complete gonna deck Tamizh for felines so this is the polite term for castration chopping off the testicles cats are just not behaviorally amenable to in home living when their ovaries and testicles hold such an aggressive sway over the behavior close quote so this is another website admitting that the real purpose of castration etc is to modify the behavior of these animals again from my perspective to deprive them of dignity to deprive them of their normal range of instinctive behaviors to deprive them of their instincts and to make them into toys for human beings to enjoy ok close quote but now riaz himself or possibly Ria's herself sore I don't know Ria's goes on to say never again can I look at rescuing dogs and cats the same way Thank You izel even if I never get anything more from your content again I will still be very grateful so on this one issue this one vegan got a new perspective from what I had to say here now look I mean you know unnatural vegan accuses anyone who disagrees of her with of pseudoscience that anyone who disagrees there at su design so if I say that domesticated pigs can go feral my view is pseudo scientific despite enormous evidence all over the world of what happens when domesticated pigs escaped from farms and become Pharaoh I've seen it myself lots of people have seen it you can read studies of it it's no mystery it's not like finding the cure for cancer the behavior of pigs that go feral is the most widely observed thing in the world feral pigs and pigs reverting to wild boar babe but I'm accused of pseudoscience meanwhile it's supposedly scientifically respectable for unnatural vegan to claim that dogs are not even aware they don't suffer in any way they are not harmed in any way by castration is that cognitive dissonance or is that just a lie by complete coincidence I have seen a scientific study proving the opposite and now most science is biased not all but a lot of Sciences bias and the report I read that was scientifically proving that dogs do suffer that they are aware of the the harm done to them by a vikus tration um that was research funded partly funded by and promoted by um the new t'kul industry so within the world of veterinary science there are companies that try to make money by convincing you that you shouldn't just have your dog neutered but that you should pay for a cosmetic surgery that simultaneous the same time so that the the vet doesn't just cut off testicles but the debt vet does a more sophisticated surgery that replaces the testicles with fake testicles with silicone replacement testicles so that both the appearance of the dog is preserved the dog looks more like a natural dog and so that the dog is less aware of the change of the harm done so that when the dog is looking at and licking its own balls it's not doesn't suffer in the same way so like many things you know like research promoted by I don't know the alcohol industry or any other industry this was one of those cases when there was a profit motive behind the promoting a certain set of scientific findings not merely an animal-rights motive look guys you know i'll come back to what r es said same thing i have to say to find a solution we first have to accept that there is a problem I do appreciate the letters of support and appreciation of Godin from a whole range of vegans I know that my taking a stand on this means a lot personally emotionally intellectually to many vegans who have tried to take a stand on this and who have been shouted down denounced and hated by the crazy cat ladies among us there are many many vegans who are simply living a lie who are living a lie that buying a dead cow is okay as long as you're feeding that cow dr pet cat or who are living a lie about the nature of domestication itself the nature of companionship itself the moral justifications for having a companion animal or for other specific procedures such as castration if you think from watching my videos then my videos have at any point supported the mass proliferation of stray cats or stray dogs I'm sorry but I really do think you're an idiot and no point in any of my videos did I support the mass proliferation of stray deer or stray bears in our cities I talked about habitat conservation wildlife management etc I don't want bears eating out of the garbage can in the middle of downtown Victoria any city in the world any city I don't want deer eating out of garbage cans in downtown Victoria that's a real problem many cities in Canada have bears and deer coming into the city I also do not want cats or dogs living as strays in downtown cities because my whole argument from alpha to omega is that we should be treating cats and dogs fundamentally with the same standard of dignity that we apply to bears deer penguins etc the moral obligation on us if we rescue animals if we rescue penguins or rescue a dog the moral burden we're accepting is to try to provide them with an environment as close as possible to their natural habitat to their wild conditions while we've rescued them and that we should attempt to reintroduce them to the wild which may be gradual it may be it may be impossible then you know sometimes we rescue Tigers and there's just no way we can revel attacker to the wild but that's still not a justification for castrating the tiger for turning the tiger into a house pet for treating the tiger like a toy if you rescue a tiger and you can't return to the wild you still have a moral obligation to try to provide it with a light as close as possible to its natural habitat that may be a zoo enclosure maybe some other half way compromise you have to make but yeah that is for me the moral baseline it's taking the existence of these animals in the wild is a standard if you watch what I have to say on this topic on this channel you're going to find that what I ever say is nuanced it not only admits of gray areas and contradictions I emphasize and draw attention those queries of contradictions but fundamentally folks as vegans we have to admit to ourselves that this is a problem and the level of denial and self-deception on this has exactly presented prevented anyone from admitting that there is a problem and it has long delayed that constructive discussion of possible solutions thank you for your time