I should have sued Jeff Nelson (Vegsource) instead of Durianrider. :-/
30 May 2019 [link youtube]
Yeah, you can complain about the American justice system, but it's a safe bet the courts would have come to a more decisive conclusion for Jeff (Vegsource), Durianrider and myself than the Thai court system did. :-/ And, as this video says in its conclusion: I hope somebody, somewhere, is sincerely interested in the future of the vegan movement, because it ain't Jeff, and it ain't Durianrider either. :-/
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yeah in some ways three years seems like
a long time but guess what this is still a problem this is still an issue of my life today as you can see from the screenshot the comment you see here was made three hours ago and I bothered to post a reply not just that I wrapped this up in a bow and sent it to durianrider said an email the durianrider saying look man you really need to come out and make a factual retraction of your claims I say factual because like I don't need an emotional apology don't anything else but I mean actions have consequences defamation on the Internet casts a really long shadow and this still casts a shadow over my life to this day Jeff Nelson your conduct and misconduct on this issue still has consequences for me to this day and you know what Jeff looking back I should have sued your ass I should have dragged you into court because unlike durianrider that really would have made a difference one minute response to Jeff Nelson launching a series of lawsuits against troll accounts scattered all over the world the irony from my perspective is that the first time Jeff got in touch with me when he sent me these [ __ ] emails Jeff's whole arguments was that I should not sue durianrider and my situation with durianrider was much much much more serious Jeff none of these people were trying to beat you up in the streets of Chiangmai when durianrider came at me it was a credible threat we were both in Chiangmai Jeff none of these people are destroying your job prospects by [ __ ] you know bike lane by making very serious criminal and sexual allegations against you and I gotta tell you Jeff the outcome of during Ryder's defamation of me it is real in my life I do think you know when I was applying for jobs in Japan the people doing the job interviews were putting my name at the Google and what do they see I do think it's a factor there and there's one case where I know it's a factor I have a new girlfriend when I was just meeting and getting to know my new girlfriend I've talked to her parents over Skype Adam at the face-to-face her parents put my name into Google they said they found that thanks of him he has two brothers I think one of her brothers put my name into Google finds this bad [ __ ] about me so you know like Jeff I do not believe anyone really thinks you were in remotely so serious the situation with this defamation as I was with mine is it defamation technically speaking yes but Jeff you're a liar and a hypocrite and an [ __ ] because your whole response to me when I was in a very serious situation apart from publicly insulting me ridiculing me lying about me defaming which you did to me Jeff I'd be in a position take you to court Jeff Nelson you keep a critical sack of [ __ ] but your whole argument in the friendly emails you sent me because some of your emails were legit friendly you were trying to convince me to drop the lawsuit against Jerry Ryder in you know your main argument which again I respect to a limited extent I respect to some extent was that you talked about how [ __ ] horrible your own past experiences were with starting lawsuits and getting involved in the court system and all this stuff so Jeff I could quote your emails back to you the advice you gave me when you were trying to talk me out of a lawsuit with during right right again in my case it is not even a lawsuit the word lawsuit is very vague in English in my case I'm simply pressing criminal charges that's it so it's not like a civil suit it's not that involuted or convoluted and it may end in failure everyone is innocent until proven guilty and all the time you can pay lawyers and they do the paperwork and the case is inconclusive where the judge throws it out or the judge throws it at a technicality or the judge just says justice is not worth serving in your case go back to Canada I wouldn't blame the Thai court system for being racist against me in that sense they may well have the sentiment that the Thai justice system has better things to do than sort out pissing contest between two foreigners who don't even live in Thailand I can sympathize if my case gets thrown at a court you say well I did my best I put this case in the interest of justice in the interest of raising the standards of conduct within the so-called vegan community community that doesn't exist a movement that doesn't exist yet of trying to yes punish someone legally for taking the name of veganism and dragging it through the mud to try to punish someone legally for taking my name my name that I got to use when I hand over my CV and apply for a job my name that my girlfriend's parents put into Google yes to punish him for dragging my name through the mud and Jeff you were 100% wrong in the advice you gave to me and now you're not even following that advice yourself you're starting lawsuits over complete [ __ ] or you've got nothing to win you don't have an ethical [ __ ] leg to stand on you're not trying to improve and you didn't give a [ __ ] when it mattered when it mattered when everyone on YouTube was freaking out and yeah I was breaking down court crying on YouTube knowledge [ __ ] whatever one was talking about the conduct of your best buddy during Reiter who you still support you still repeat his defamation about me I've got a video about that not so long ago on your [ __ ] blog you know I've seen it in writing of you repeating the same defamation the same sexual get you to meet Jeff I could take your ass to court and have a ten times better case then you've got against any of these people on YouTube I mean you are making a case out of [ __ ] where you haven't suffered there are no possible negative consequences for you and you know this you know this and not only did you back Doreen writer at the time you back him after the fact when nobody's back and during writing or what Doria writer himself has admitted that he was trolling and or lying I mean Turner didn't really apologize but he kind of just confesses in his stupid way oh yeah this was all BS whatever I mean look when that controversy started Jeff nobody thought vegan gains was gonna back me up vegan gains and durianrider were very much publicly allies and on the same page nobody was expecting that nobody was expecting all the people to stand up and do the right thing who did and Jeff you stayed in your seat and when you finally did stand up you were doing long thing and you're still doing the wrong thing now Jeff unlike me you're at an age where you're already retired you don't have to take your CV out and apply for jobs you don't I don't think you have any new girlfriends whose parents are gonna put your name into Google and figure out what kind of guy you I think you're past that in life Jeff correct me if I'm wrong I don't think you're out there hustling the way I'm I don't think this stuff has the kind of race or consequence of you so Jeff I want you to think about the future I want you to think about your legacy and goddamnit I want you to think about the future of veganism as a movement somebody has to for [ __ ] sake Jeff somebody has to I mean really people like to disrespect my truth but the fact is that you know my name is I don't know
a long time but guess what this is still a problem this is still an issue of my life today as you can see from the screenshot the comment you see here was made three hours ago and I bothered to post a reply not just that I wrapped this up in a bow and sent it to durianrider said an email the durianrider saying look man you really need to come out and make a factual retraction of your claims I say factual because like I don't need an emotional apology don't anything else but I mean actions have consequences defamation on the Internet casts a really long shadow and this still casts a shadow over my life to this day Jeff Nelson your conduct and misconduct on this issue still has consequences for me to this day and you know what Jeff looking back I should have sued your ass I should have dragged you into court because unlike durianrider that really would have made a difference one minute response to Jeff Nelson launching a series of lawsuits against troll accounts scattered all over the world the irony from my perspective is that the first time Jeff got in touch with me when he sent me these [ __ ] emails Jeff's whole arguments was that I should not sue durianrider and my situation with durianrider was much much much more serious Jeff none of these people were trying to beat you up in the streets of Chiangmai when durianrider came at me it was a credible threat we were both in Chiangmai Jeff none of these people are destroying your job prospects by [ __ ] you know bike lane by making very serious criminal and sexual allegations against you and I gotta tell you Jeff the outcome of during Ryder's defamation of me it is real in my life I do think you know when I was applying for jobs in Japan the people doing the job interviews were putting my name at the Google and what do they see I do think it's a factor there and there's one case where I know it's a factor I have a new girlfriend when I was just meeting and getting to know my new girlfriend I've talked to her parents over Skype Adam at the face-to-face her parents put my name into Google they said they found that thanks of him he has two brothers I think one of her brothers put my name into Google finds this bad [ __ ] about me so you know like Jeff I do not believe anyone really thinks you were in remotely so serious the situation with this defamation as I was with mine is it defamation technically speaking yes but Jeff you're a liar and a hypocrite and an [ __ ] because your whole response to me when I was in a very serious situation apart from publicly insulting me ridiculing me lying about me defaming which you did to me Jeff I'd be in a position take you to court Jeff Nelson you keep a critical sack of [ __ ] but your whole argument in the friendly emails you sent me because some of your emails were legit friendly you were trying to convince me to drop the lawsuit against Jerry Ryder in you know your main argument which again I respect to a limited extent I respect to some extent was that you talked about how [ __ ] horrible your own past experiences were with starting lawsuits and getting involved in the court system and all this stuff so Jeff I could quote your emails back to you the advice you gave me when you were trying to talk me out of a lawsuit with during right right again in my case it is not even a lawsuit the word lawsuit is very vague in English in my case I'm simply pressing criminal charges that's it so it's not like a civil suit it's not that involuted or convoluted and it may end in failure everyone is innocent until proven guilty and all the time you can pay lawyers and they do the paperwork and the case is inconclusive where the judge throws it out or the judge throws it at a technicality or the judge just says justice is not worth serving in your case go back to Canada I wouldn't blame the Thai court system for being racist against me in that sense they may well have the sentiment that the Thai justice system has better things to do than sort out pissing contest between two foreigners who don't even live in Thailand I can sympathize if my case gets thrown at a court you say well I did my best I put this case in the interest of justice in the interest of raising the standards of conduct within the so-called vegan community community that doesn't exist a movement that doesn't exist yet of trying to yes punish someone legally for taking the name of veganism and dragging it through the mud to try to punish someone legally for taking my name my name that I got to use when I hand over my CV and apply for a job my name that my girlfriend's parents put into Google yes to punish him for dragging my name through the mud and Jeff you were 100% wrong in the advice you gave to me and now you're not even following that advice yourself you're starting lawsuits over complete [ __ ] or you've got nothing to win you don't have an ethical [ __ ] leg to stand on you're not trying to improve and you didn't give a [ __ ] when it mattered when it mattered when everyone on YouTube was freaking out and yeah I was breaking down court crying on YouTube knowledge [ __ ] whatever one was talking about the conduct of your best buddy during Reiter who you still support you still repeat his defamation about me I've got a video about that not so long ago on your [ __ ] blog you know I've seen it in writing of you repeating the same defamation the same sexual get you to meet Jeff I could take your ass to court and have a ten times better case then you've got against any of these people on YouTube I mean you are making a case out of [ __ ] where you haven't suffered there are no possible negative consequences for you and you know this you know this and not only did you back Doreen writer at the time you back him after the fact when nobody's back and during writing or what Doria writer himself has admitted that he was trolling and or lying I mean Turner didn't really apologize but he kind of just confesses in his stupid way oh yeah this was all BS whatever I mean look when that controversy started Jeff nobody thought vegan gains was gonna back me up vegan gains and durianrider were very much publicly allies and on the same page nobody was expecting that nobody was expecting all the people to stand up and do the right thing who did and Jeff you stayed in your seat and when you finally did stand up you were doing long thing and you're still doing the wrong thing now Jeff unlike me you're at an age where you're already retired you don't have to take your CV out and apply for jobs you don't I don't think you have any new girlfriends whose parents are gonna put your name into Google and figure out what kind of guy you I think you're past that in life Jeff correct me if I'm wrong I don't think you're out there hustling the way I'm I don't think this stuff has the kind of race or consequence of you so Jeff I want you to think about the future I want you to think about your legacy and goddamnit I want you to think about the future of veganism as a movement somebody has to for [ __ ] sake Jeff somebody has to I mean really people like to disrespect my truth but the fact is that you know my name is I don't know