Vegan Gains: Toronto Pig Save, the Police, Army and Prison.

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problem with but I said when people advocate things like that and that's not gangster than me like I cook and I and I eat and sit down and my children we sit and read and I do homework with my kids that's gangster to me that's being gangsta okay I'm not a daddy I'm a father my children on low be nice eating huh ba new CN 1 things that was really positive for you was that you did know a circle of people connected to Pig save and so on yeah yeah yeah I think a few months into my channel maybe six seven months I went to some vegan convention then I met a needa crimes from Toronto Pig save then I got involved in that group and then a lot of people in the pics a movement are also involved in direct action everywhere so I am involved with those two groups and then there's like cows ate chicken save we go to all the different slaughterhouses but now you're living in Belgium long term are you gonna try to make similar actually ok back to toronto in october sorry i don't exactly work out here I was trying to get married and stay here for a year but yeah just bureaucratic issues me and Jasmine are gonna move back to Toronto yeah well technically I'm still legally married to a citizen of France goes the divorce paperwork say so but yeah so I've been through some some similar hurdles uh anyway okay that's that's interesting it's good for me because I'm going back to Canada to and I mean for me ya know but for me the disponemos goes thank you oh gee when I go back to Canada I could hit toronto could visit you visit the light twins visit Aaron Janice just a few different vegans next time I go through enter and you know long term as I said a million times to my channel you have to cooperate with people of the same citizenship as Hugh it's just not much politically I can do with someone who's even in California even though California is so close to to Victoria you know we were in the west coast of Canada like you know I'm really positive for other people if they found you know a circle of colleagues or anything else they engage in any kind of activism where you can cooperate and collaborate I think that you you know I think that's something that most of us in the internet are looking for and don't have so and pick safe is a really great group I think their protests are the most effective I think they're being a few direct action Everywhere's that I really like they're being some that I really didn't like but um Pig save I think every time I've gone out I it felt like it was a good experience like productive yeah I wondered what suddenly Pig save because you know a lot of the people i talk to you about veganism are very highly educated people there there my own university professors their people with PhDs or what have you so it's for them it's not the concept of veganism that's hard to get I think in a sense it's the stakes of the game we're playing like I do really wonder because so like one of my professors he wasn't a hundred percent honest maybe he became semi vegan because my influence and you know like as you got the impression already I don't whoa like when people agree with me in principle like for me that's it i'm not gonna ride them like oh why you're still wearing that belt you still worried that leather belt you from five years ago you know cuz for me the the question of principle is is really the only question you can resolve face-to-face unless unless it's actually my girlfriend look if I'm dating someone okay yeah then I'm gonna say look the belt but let's gotta go but you know it's my professors nothing but I did really wonder like if we had something like Pig save just the visceral experience of seeing yet curing it smelling it whatever I even really liked me for some reason some vegans are against using slaughterers footage I love that shot you had of the the garbage container yeah at the bones going to the gardener yeah those are from dairy cows actually there is in their heads are marked in blue is because there they've been alive longer than like meat cows so there you have a much higher risk of infectious disease and mad cow so their heads and everything and guts are just transported onto some weird rendering truck and it's made into either into food for human consumption or pet food anyway yeah I did wonder though because obviously some people approach these things in a more intellectual way some people push them in a more emotional way but like you've tell you about professors like some of the professors have known you know for years and years so you're a professor of Buddhist follow sofy the idea of not eating it like it's not a new concept for you like you must be pretty well aware of this and yet you still eat meat every day so you know I do wonder like an experience like Pig save you know I wonder for some people it makes it all real gives it that gives it that human scale it does actually do that I've met a few people have gone there who are either meat eaters or vegetarians and then they just switched to complete vegan after seeing it and I've talked to a few people both in the comments section and actually in real life where they said they watched my Pig save videos and that turned them vegan so you know I think that that experience is important there's a huge disconnection between what we're eating and what actually goes on in making the food like you can see so many people who will argue against veganism who eat meat every day and think it's okay and then they'll just rag on hunters calling them sick disgusting evil so yeah it needs to be brought to people seeing that like what actually happens yeah I mean you know obviously it's it's different service different folks my channel I never imagined it would convert anyone to veganism but I get email from people saying they became pekin because of my channel and only because of my channel and they must be very interesting people like I can't if it's like wow I can't imagine being you but I was talking to a guy just a couple days ago Jay costly he's now got his own YouTube channel he mostly talks about zoos in connection veganism wildlife like wolves and stuff with that he became vegan entirely because your channel and now like the thing is to with both examples whether it's someone who says that about my channel or your channel like in reality there's a whole lifetime of experience and suffering and you know like there's so much more to it that's not being said there but like because like for Jay he used to work in these wildlife projects so we worked with animals used to work in zoos and he used to actually slaughter animals in the zoo to become food for the other animals within the zoo it's kind of one of the kind of one of the obvious secrets in a zoo it's like what do you do what do you do when the giraffe dies you chop it up and feed the Lions got a thing right so yeah he'd been through a lot of situations but then for whatever reason you know whether it's maybe he just never really thought about veganism what have you it was it was your channel that result in him becoming vegan so anyway uh no III don't myself take too much credit for because there's always got to be a whole story of so many years and so many so many misgivings before that but yeah it's definitely true that you know whether it's for some people a purely emotional and empathic sort of reaction or there's something else going on you don't know hmm anyway I thought was gonna ask you I thought you were going to be just liberated from Toronto and but now it turns out that no you think of being on a more long-term so me how do you feel about Toronto for me you know I've steered clear of it for more than 10 years I could figure out with its 15 years now or what but what is Toronto means you and like how do you see your future in the city you know whether it's personally or politically or culturally I like Toronto the rent is a little bit higher than a lot of other places but you can get food pretty cheap there's there's a lot going on there's like the pig saved EXE a lot of my friends are there there's a lot of vegan places to eat really great vegan town um yeah it's basically at though it's in it's convenient ttc is pretty easy to get around places so it's a pretty decent city in Scarborough I've had more issues with that especially like police and a few racists around my neighborhood like I some dude almost ran me over and started he actually got out of his car started shouting at me calling me a [ __ ] there being a few people have just acted weird around me like when I was walking down the sidewalk the one dude just went way way far away from me onto the grass to avoid me there's weird stuff like that and one time I was just taking photos around you know a park and then some cops like said oh are you taking photos to like of buildings to rob them later like there's weird stuff like that yeah but downtown Toronto is being pretty I actually hat I've had a few cops who watch my youtube channel and uh like I mentioned oh hey what's up being gay so yeah downtown toronto's a lot more friendly than my neighborhood in Scarborough rive been living yeah yeah I mean that's true the the the cops downtown because they tend to be familiar with really serious crime they're less likely to freak out over trivial crimes were perceived trivial crimes that that is my experience with cops downtown but it is true also like so when I was a kid this is now over but I was I was young enough to know the legend of Cherry beach when downtown Toronto cops you may have heard about that in like comedy shows like the kids in the hall there these jokes he's obviously TV TV stays and reruns forever but Cherry beach was this Beach if it still exists in Toronto and it was infamous for cops putting you in the back of the car handcuffed and you taking you there and beating you and then leaving you semi passed out or whatever you know that then unhandcuff you leave leave you on the beach so in terms of like routine police brutality I'm of that generation where that stuff was still going on uh and yeah i mean my impression is toronto has gotten better in exactly those ways i think like that specific example I don't think cops in trying to do that anymore and just towards the end of my time in Toronto we had the big race profiling scandal break and that see that was not downtown that was the really the highways connecting out to Scarborough it was you know the connections to where you know this kind of smoking gun evidence came that like ninety percent of the people that were stopping were black it would that's not the actual statistic office be no it was the shockingly high percentage of these people and you know then all the old e anecdotal evidence came out and complaints to back that up and so on but you know like the beautiful thing about being in a democracy with freedom of speech and including like those comedy videos that were made so uh kids in the whole other comedy TV shows they made fun of Cherry beach it's a place where cops used to be but I knew people I knew people got beat up on those beaches by cops you know well you have freedom of speech people have the right to laugh about it people have the right to complain about the newspapers and things actually change you know so uh I mean also it's got to be a generational change you probably probably most the cops are talking to you are now my age so they're probably guys who you just represent a total different generation terms of all those attitudes yeah yeah I just had some [ __ ] cop issues where they're accusing me of like going to kill a bunch of people and [ __ ] and most of us being resolved right now but the way they were dealing with it was really weird like they literally dragged me out of my house at three in the morning and they broke a few of my rights they got a warrant illegally a lot of bull crap but um right now it's pretty much resolved so yeah I'm glad yeah anyway you know it's I don't think I will ever become a police officer but at a few different times my life I considered that as an option and now so like the surreal thing is we're assuming when I leave China I'm actually going to speak Chinese pretty well cuz I'm staying here all the way till December studying continuously so that's long enough it's like well what jobs can you do in Canada when you speak Chinese actually joining the Toronto Police Force is one of the very few jobs that would be open to me so it's yeah it's a funny question like I one of my ex-girlfriends at a long time like we might as well have been married it was like really serious long-term relationship um but I remember she always said to me she said like look like you should really become a cop because of all the people she knew she said you're the one guy know where like if people try to punch you in the face you don't get angry like okay I know it sounds stupid but like she'd seen me handle situations where like I remained common and control where there was this kind of thing she said you know if you don't do that job someone else is you're the only guy you know it like you're not racist you actually care about people it's like what sighs it's pretty exposed to it for no reason so yeah I mean the thing is though too it'll change you so I mean it would be too for me it would mostly be curiosity but I wonder like a job like that if you do it for just two years are you a really different person after two years and for me like I'm totally willing to take that risk but after two years after five years I'm not afraid of that but I think probably you would change a lot and maybe by the end of that time whether it's just you know impatience that you feel you've seen this situation before I think you probably could become a lot of the things you said you would you would never do but anyway I think you may or may not even know but a couple months ago I signed up joined the military so in terms of my mic both past and present job options it's it's a bit surreal it was it's not going to be YouTube I'm not I'm not going to be the next vegan gains it's not my career yeah yeah I have a friend who recently joined the army I think he was going in to be a combat mechanic like fixed tanks and jeeps and stuff it didn't work out for me just said he hated it and a lot of like what he really hated was everyone was so against veganism like he could stay on a vegan diet in the military but uh just everyone he worked with always rag Don him about the vegan diet chef meat in his face and he said he just couldn't stand it so yeah you know I mean so oddly this is one of the things talked about a lot of Buddhist philosophy where they say in the pally cannon like Pali Canon is written by a bunch of guys living in celibacy in close quarters and some of them are ex-military to some of the early monks they were former soldiers who joined but there's actually a lot of philosophizing about how to live amongst friends how to live with a bunch of guys you may hate some of them you know how to keep how to keep those relationships on point but I mean that I think no doubt like being in prison or like being a Buddhist monk the main misery of being in the Army is that you don't get to choose your friends you don't get to choose the people you're spending time with that's such a fundamental aspect you mean like prison yeah yeah absolutely serious a lot like prison sure Tony I think I think there's no mystery about that I better see n gels for people who make mistakes and got caught or people who put themselves in bad situations there's some innocent people and that's during life in jail and there's some rotten souls ain't nothing nice about being in jail or the glorified hat to be to be confined to a five by eight but room for 23 hours a day that'd be out by our 23 one was glorified about that with what part of that make sure gangster