Plant Based News talks to à-bas-le-ciel
30 June 2017 [link youtube]
Will Klaus Mitchell and Eisel Mazard ever patch it up? No, probably not. BTW, I'd like to make a video (ASAP) talking about the absurd feud between Gary Francione and Melanie Joy… this is a recurrent feature within veganism, at all levels, and in all categories… although, as you'll hear in this recording, I do reach out positively to other youtubers in general, and I reached out positively to Klaus, specifically, even in a tense situation such as this: Klaus did make a video (that he has now deleted) in which he referred to my court case as "a scam", backing up lies that were then created by Durianrider and Vegan Cheetah.
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off video and we'll do audio only I mean you know what I look like okay my engine Ignatian cool so there's a little icon at the bottom the bottom on the left hand side there's an icon it says stop video and it just looks like a little box but it's actually a picture of a camera yeah there you go okay so that's that's that's normally more level I are you totally great sounds perfect yeah any of your facebook messages cool cool cool I just recall you know in group we used to be in the same group I think it was as you saw Sam or Ava's group um you know I sent you some suggestions there I think you just said like oh thanks to the length like I really like I really was sincere I was just like oh look I think we had some interaction like that you wouldn't necessarily remember I have interactions like that too where I don't really know the person is someone just sends me something and I say thanks so you know I'm not I'm really not complaining it was a great day yeah yeah yeah kind of my face that can get messages Coco you know but I just say I'm really not complaining when I said I was just describing like oh yeah like I think we did talk a little bit but whatever like that was I was just saying factually I think so I thought you knew me was also because back at that time me and vegan revolution were friends so just I also assumed you knew me just for that reason because like me and me and Revolution we were close for a while like you know we talked about our personal lives and you know like I talked about mine he talked about his so like at that time and you and he were friends and he and I were friends so I assumed you just kind of knew me indirectly you know what I mean yeah I did not even directly um I've actually been considering regionality for quite a long time I guess of being a bit cautious just because I why have I been cautious I guess you're quite a controversial guy in terms of your relationships to the community yeah even though man I think like you'd be you'd be really really good on the show ah because you're quite fact driven and just like I was a bit disappointed when he had everybody's attention in the summer I see the long video denouncing during Ryder where you I think he cried at the end of it you know the long one them yeah yeah traction yep disappoint I thought this great opportunity for him to now now he's got the big platform to put out political videos but he kind of just kept doing videos about this sort of meaningless drama it's your perspective but from obras where I was doing direct videos with my life to me you know my videos just reflect whatever is going on in my life but you know I'm not calling you out and do you really like well no but just you know look I just say no no I don't mind it's totally totally worth no comment I have over 400 videos uploaded now I've covered I've done a lot of videos about politics nobody can say I've failed to upload enough videos about politics and politics connected to veganism politics connected the area canadough concepts I've done a lot of videos on politics definitely over 100 maybe over 200 my videos about politics I don't I don't want to estimate that in terms of what I talked about I mean just you may not remember during that time after the controversy with Durham Ryder the next big topic I took on was domestication of animals so that is political and that is meaningful so you know pet ownership and that stuff so I just say your memory may be maybe slightly inaccurate if you think I was just talking about meaningless drama uh no I mean taking on pet ownership and you know feeding cow meat to pet cats that was a big big deal I've made videos about vivisection I made a lot of very political videos during that time and the only thing I'd say is it's a bit of an illusion if you think I suddenly had a big platform I actually remember discussing that with cheetah I remember cheetah asked me about that about my numbers and the reality was basically just those couple of videos about during my tour had a big spike in interest and then when I turned my attention to other issues within veganism like vivisection like pet ownership you know what cat food is made of accreting feeding cows to cats that stuff basically had the same audience as the videos I was making before durianrider you know threatened to beat me up so there really wasn't an increase in my audience as much like before during writer defame me I had a little bit of a steam going justly I made a lot of videos in Canada just before I left for China you know I had a little bit of time it was actually literally while I was packing to move to China it was like throwing furniture and the garbage and stuff it was leaving leaving Canada side a little bit extra time to make video so I made a lot of videos that during that time like a hit video would get 2000 views and after during writer defaming it was still the same size of audience like you know a good video would get 2000 years so it's I'm not criticizing you of just out of interest saying it's really not true the size of my audience didn't grow much and also the type of content I made didn't change much but I mean it's true I mean for example I was under pressure to give updates on my legal case because I did the fund raising so if you consider those drama videos and that's drama but from my perspective it's not because I was getting the money and paying the lawyer and doing all that stuff which by the way really happens it's not it's not a scam it's very boring but it's not a scam I did actually get the money eventually and paid a lawyer there were just a whole bunch of stupid delays and that is that is real an ongoing coming that you chose male in LA and I suggest I think I said something's showing to the effect of this a bit of evidence to suggest that it is a scam so I didn't say was a scam but I if if I was completely wrong man I cut the video out I apologize it's okay it's okay but there's no reason why you know so I'm not mad you I mean like the the people or I think it's a joke it's the people who have talked to me and where I've shown them the evidence and talked about it it's like well don't pretend we didn't have that conversation so it was Jo vegan for months I was saying to him like look here's the evidence I can give you if you want to know more I can tell you more but the legal details are really boring right and also like no offense to Jo vegan but he really has no education he's not that bright like I could talk through with him what the legal details are but it's not like I can just show him a document written in like legal English and that he's going to understand what's going on and I'm really not saying that to insult him but like that stuff is hard to understand like it's just a legal document and it doesn't even make sense in English you know what I mean and of course the legal documents are actually in Thai they're not in English okay most of them but so for months with Jo vegan I was like look like I provided him with evidence and it was also clear and come say look if you want more you can talk to me like you know you know I can provide more if you're interested whether you want more explanation in what evidence whatever and he was choosing to ignore that and kind of keep defaming me this way and also the only thing that sable Joe vegan he knew that Joe best was a bullshitter he already had his own experience with Joe best lying to him about all kinds of stuff so it was like you know so Joe vegan they're both called Joe but anyway so I kill V it's like dude you already know Joe best lies about everything so why are you taking his lies and pretending they're true when you know I'm telling you the truth and providing you with documents so that's really a unique situation but in terms of other people if people don't know I don't blame them well whatever you know I want to come back to vegan revolution for a second and like I don't criticize you for being friends to begin revolution I used to be friends with him and like I say even though like I don't know his name like you know I just call him Villar you know we did we did we were close enough that we talked about you know we talked about our families and our ex-girlfriends and stuff like that you know I mean we did have personal conversations but when Villar turned on me he turned on the old way and he was you know insulting me in very personal terms and saying that I should be prevented from seeing my own daughter that I was a threat to my daughter that I was a threat to my ex-wife he was making up the most ridiculous myths CIA stuff that I secretly work for the CIA but also like deeply personal stuff like about my marriage and my divorce and what-have-you and he was feeding that stuff to durianrider and the stuff he said durianrider the during right haven't tried to use against me it included I think just complete lies but also concluded personal things he knew about me from when we were friends so vegan revolution in terms of a scumbag move and in terms of turning on me that was one of my first big lessons like wow people will go all the way low and so when you said earlier and again I'm not complaining but you said earlier like oh well you're controversial and your relationships people controversial like vegan revolution is a clear case I can't take any of the blame for that I can't say to you like well I really regret that I talked to there like like it's really my fault what happened to know the situation why have to say this is 100 percent now less and lies from VR that I can't you know what I mean so I mean it right he went once the bridges burn was that guy he can be bit over the top so I believe what you're saying and actually you've told me elf what he said to you and I think you swearing it's just pretty harsh and like you [ __ ] this you [ __ ] that like really really hard [ __ ] so I get that I get that out of order I completely don't condone that but I think it's because of him the key that I haven't reached out please just I wouldn't with my stuff I'm really trying to lay out the yeah that's why I've got asked amazing like extremely entertaining video that I did with that vegan cheats at where it's just me grilling the [ __ ] out of them for about five minutes is like 60 minutes so I don't know if you're familiar of the journalist Jeremy Paxman no no but it doesn't matter I can imagine good yeah just me like bacon you going through all the stuff that you've done this being hypocritical um but so I've got that on unlisted on YouTube and I'm just like I'm really not sure whether I want to share it and I've always been careful about reaching out to you as well because you know even worse yourself and the whole Turing wait wait a minute I did I chose that really was that my choice did I choose that I think we've got a track record of falling out wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute did I choose any of the [ __ ] vegan revolution did did I choose any of the [ __ ] during right or did close I know close you've never asked you ever taking interest but you have blamed me for everything when the reality is like I said in recent videos I know close close I know but it's you de facto you're blaming me because you're saying well you have a tracker Klaus here's my track record I reached out positively to cooperate even with vegan Ava I'm someone who's reached out positively to cooperate with people who are idiots people who hate me people who've insulted me again and again and again I've shown a ton of goodwill towards people including towards cheetah even after cheetah was insulting me I was still being positive them trying to cooperate with them okay I've been positive towards really I made an apology video too freely I made an apology video to vegan revolution nobody else does that close so I know you're not aware of it but you're actually ignoring a ton of evidence of Who I am and what kind of person I am I am the kind of person who when vegan revolution is mad at me for no good reason I still make an apology video to them I'm the kind of person who when durianrider threatens to beat me up and put me in prison I make an apology video too freely just to show goodwill just to show that I'm honest just because durianrider asked me to apologize to freely freely never asked by the way I'm within six degrees of separation with her I know people who talk to her regularly I don't talk to her directly but like I would have heard from her she wanted me to make that video because she has ways to talk to me she's ways to pass on a message to your mutual friend right so like dude that's part of who I am and you're ignoring that and again it's like it's not if not really a complaint but like your impression that my channel got any less political or got involved with drama after durianrider threatened me it is really not true so I mean I know you can get into a perception of who someone is what kind of person they are but there's a lot of evidence that you're ignoring what do you want me do what would have satisfied you oh like you mean you know so no no it's like like close I'm not I'm not complaining I'm really just explaining like yes and now I didn't eat it but like what what did I do you want video screen people is that enough well no I closed I'm not I'm not even after them I'm really just telling you like okay is this the first time I'm talking to you but here's the situation that's the frame for like you know because you you've explained like how you perceive me at what you know which is totally fine and I'm just explaining okay well you know this is how I see you and it's it's that circumstance but for me like I don't come at it with like I have a checklist for whether or not you're good enough I don't feel away at all and no I just say but I remind you like even someone like vegan Ava so vegan Ava has seriously defamed me on the internet she said I'm a scam artist she said insulting things about my wife and my daughter and my divorce but also like she's claimed that like financially I'm a criminal running a scam and like my wrists phonce was like look vegan vegan AVO like let's talk on skype like let's make something positive out of this like I'm an activist you're an activist who care about veganism let's do something positive so like even someone like her who's an idiot and it's a terrible human being and who's really tried to hurt me that's my response so that's that's I'm saying is like don't worry like close even if you've done a lot worse I would still be open to you know trying to co-op with you trying to make something positive happen but actually some would ask you when you said like what would be what would I like you to do I really love it when you have time you can hear them as a podcast you don't just watch on YouTube watch those two videos I named that if you wrote them down to watch the one video I did with the one video yes the azaria the full title is something like the agony of activism as saria's names you can search for Zarya and the other one is titled on community and that video I posted it first in English and then it's been translated into German and Chinese and Japanese and the other translations I'm still speaking English but that has subtitles in the other language so if you get one of the other versions it's basically the same video but with with that at the bottom so that's honestly that's what it asks you to do because that really kind of tells you who I am and how I feel about veganism and why I'm so passionate about it you know because I really am I I want you to come to London Nikkei and I'll show you a vegan community and we'll see man anyway look we talk it's nice meeting you along last close and like I said you know I hope we can make something positive happen out of it and I would try that even if you were a terrible person like Vijay but even you're a terrible person like during right / freely I really did try to be positive with a lot of people and a lot of that is obviously invisible to you but I have been out here trying to make some positive that for a long time and hey maybe hey if you want to look great this won't be yet a be a couple months from now but maybe when I'm trying to get the the story book published I mean you can read the story book the story is online a look on my you - I read it out and you can see the Chinese and the English and other Russian translation is also my channel but I mean like at some point when that's news it'll be a few months from now if you wanted to you could have a new story about that story book that's something completely positive and it's not drama and it's just hey some some vegans got together and tried to make a story book to teach children about veganism you know I'm up for that yeah message me if I don't talk to you before email me whatever when when that's published cool but like I said there'll be at least a few months from now but we're working on cool great talking you close and I'll talk to you again
off video and we'll do audio only I mean you know what I look like okay my engine Ignatian cool so there's a little icon at the bottom the bottom on the left hand side there's an icon it says stop video and it just looks like a little box but it's actually a picture of a camera yeah there you go okay so that's that's that's normally more level I are you totally great sounds perfect yeah any of your facebook messages cool cool cool I just recall you know in group we used to be in the same group I think it was as you saw Sam or Ava's group um you know I sent you some suggestions there I think you just said like oh thanks to the length like I really like I really was sincere I was just like oh look I think we had some interaction like that you wouldn't necessarily remember I have interactions like that too where I don't really know the person is someone just sends me something and I say thanks so you know I'm not I'm really not complaining it was a great day yeah yeah yeah kind of my face that can get messages Coco you know but I just say I'm really not complaining when I said I was just describing like oh yeah like I think we did talk a little bit but whatever like that was I was just saying factually I think so I thought you knew me was also because back at that time me and vegan revolution were friends so just I also assumed you knew me just for that reason because like me and me and Revolution we were close for a while like you know we talked about our personal lives and you know like I talked about mine he talked about his so like at that time and you and he were friends and he and I were friends so I assumed you just kind of knew me indirectly you know what I mean yeah I did not even directly um I've actually been considering regionality for quite a long time I guess of being a bit cautious just because I why have I been cautious I guess you're quite a controversial guy in terms of your relationships to the community yeah even though man I think like you'd be you'd be really really good on the show ah because you're quite fact driven and just like I was a bit disappointed when he had everybody's attention in the summer I see the long video denouncing during Ryder where you I think he cried at the end of it you know the long one them yeah yeah traction yep disappoint I thought this great opportunity for him to now now he's got the big platform to put out political videos but he kind of just kept doing videos about this sort of meaningless drama it's your perspective but from obras where I was doing direct videos with my life to me you know my videos just reflect whatever is going on in my life but you know I'm not calling you out and do you really like well no but just you know look I just say no no I don't mind it's totally totally worth no comment I have over 400 videos uploaded now I've covered I've done a lot of videos about politics nobody can say I've failed to upload enough videos about politics and politics connected to veganism politics connected the area canadough concepts I've done a lot of videos on politics definitely over 100 maybe over 200 my videos about politics I don't I don't want to estimate that in terms of what I talked about I mean just you may not remember during that time after the controversy with Durham Ryder the next big topic I took on was domestication of animals so that is political and that is meaningful so you know pet ownership and that stuff so I just say your memory may be maybe slightly inaccurate if you think I was just talking about meaningless drama uh no I mean taking on pet ownership and you know feeding cow meat to pet cats that was a big big deal I've made videos about vivisection I made a lot of very political videos during that time and the only thing I'd say is it's a bit of an illusion if you think I suddenly had a big platform I actually remember discussing that with cheetah I remember cheetah asked me about that about my numbers and the reality was basically just those couple of videos about during my tour had a big spike in interest and then when I turned my attention to other issues within veganism like vivisection like pet ownership you know what cat food is made of accreting feeding cows to cats that stuff basically had the same audience as the videos I was making before durianrider you know threatened to beat me up so there really wasn't an increase in my audience as much like before during writer defame me I had a little bit of a steam going justly I made a lot of videos in Canada just before I left for China you know I had a little bit of time it was actually literally while I was packing to move to China it was like throwing furniture and the garbage and stuff it was leaving leaving Canada side a little bit extra time to make video so I made a lot of videos that during that time like a hit video would get 2000 views and after during writer defaming it was still the same size of audience like you know a good video would get 2000 years so it's I'm not criticizing you of just out of interest saying it's really not true the size of my audience didn't grow much and also the type of content I made didn't change much but I mean it's true I mean for example I was under pressure to give updates on my legal case because I did the fund raising so if you consider those drama videos and that's drama but from my perspective it's not because I was getting the money and paying the lawyer and doing all that stuff which by the way really happens it's not it's not a scam it's very boring but it's not a scam I did actually get the money eventually and paid a lawyer there were just a whole bunch of stupid delays and that is that is real an ongoing coming that you chose male in LA and I suggest I think I said something's showing to the effect of this a bit of evidence to suggest that it is a scam so I didn't say was a scam but I if if I was completely wrong man I cut the video out I apologize it's okay it's okay but there's no reason why you know so I'm not mad you I mean like the the people or I think it's a joke it's the people who have talked to me and where I've shown them the evidence and talked about it it's like well don't pretend we didn't have that conversation so it was Jo vegan for months I was saying to him like look here's the evidence I can give you if you want to know more I can tell you more but the legal details are really boring right and also like no offense to Jo vegan but he really has no education he's not that bright like I could talk through with him what the legal details are but it's not like I can just show him a document written in like legal English and that he's going to understand what's going on and I'm really not saying that to insult him but like that stuff is hard to understand like it's just a legal document and it doesn't even make sense in English you know what I mean and of course the legal documents are actually in Thai they're not in English okay most of them but so for months with Jo vegan I was like look like I provided him with evidence and it was also clear and come say look if you want more you can talk to me like you know you know I can provide more if you're interested whether you want more explanation in what evidence whatever and he was choosing to ignore that and kind of keep defaming me this way and also the only thing that sable Joe vegan he knew that Joe best was a bullshitter he already had his own experience with Joe best lying to him about all kinds of stuff so it was like you know so Joe vegan they're both called Joe but anyway so I kill V it's like dude you already know Joe best lies about everything so why are you taking his lies and pretending they're true when you know I'm telling you the truth and providing you with documents so that's really a unique situation but in terms of other people if people don't know I don't blame them well whatever you know I want to come back to vegan revolution for a second and like I don't criticize you for being friends to begin revolution I used to be friends with him and like I say even though like I don't know his name like you know I just call him Villar you know we did we did we were close enough that we talked about you know we talked about our families and our ex-girlfriends and stuff like that you know I mean we did have personal conversations but when Villar turned on me he turned on the old way and he was you know insulting me in very personal terms and saying that I should be prevented from seeing my own daughter that I was a threat to my daughter that I was a threat to my ex-wife he was making up the most ridiculous myths CIA stuff that I secretly work for the CIA but also like deeply personal stuff like about my marriage and my divorce and what-have-you and he was feeding that stuff to durianrider and the stuff he said durianrider the during right haven't tried to use against me it included I think just complete lies but also concluded personal things he knew about me from when we were friends so vegan revolution in terms of a scumbag move and in terms of turning on me that was one of my first big lessons like wow people will go all the way low and so when you said earlier and again I'm not complaining but you said earlier like oh well you're controversial and your relationships people controversial like vegan revolution is a clear case I can't take any of the blame for that I can't say to you like well I really regret that I talked to there like like it's really my fault what happened to know the situation why have to say this is 100 percent now less and lies from VR that I can't you know what I mean so I mean it right he went once the bridges burn was that guy he can be bit over the top so I believe what you're saying and actually you've told me elf what he said to you and I think you swearing it's just pretty harsh and like you [ __ ] this you [ __ ] that like really really hard [ __ ] so I get that I get that out of order I completely don't condone that but I think it's because of him the key that I haven't reached out please just I wouldn't with my stuff I'm really trying to lay out the yeah that's why I've got asked amazing like extremely entertaining video that I did with that vegan cheats at where it's just me grilling the [ __ ] out of them for about five minutes is like 60 minutes so I don't know if you're familiar of the journalist Jeremy Paxman no no but it doesn't matter I can imagine good yeah just me like bacon you going through all the stuff that you've done this being hypocritical um but so I've got that on unlisted on YouTube and I'm just like I'm really not sure whether I want to share it and I've always been careful about reaching out to you as well because you know even worse yourself and the whole Turing wait wait a minute I did I chose that really was that my choice did I choose that I think we've got a track record of falling out wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute did I choose any of the [ __ ] vegan revolution did did I choose any of the [ __ ] during right or did close I know close you've never asked you ever taking interest but you have blamed me for everything when the reality is like I said in recent videos I know close close I know but it's you de facto you're blaming me because you're saying well you have a tracker Klaus here's my track record I reached out positively to cooperate even with vegan Ava I'm someone who's reached out positively to cooperate with people who are idiots people who hate me people who've insulted me again and again and again I've shown a ton of goodwill towards people including towards cheetah even after cheetah was insulting me I was still being positive them trying to cooperate with them okay I've been positive towards really I made an apology video too freely I made an apology video to vegan revolution nobody else does that close so I know you're not aware of it but you're actually ignoring a ton of evidence of Who I am and what kind of person I am I am the kind of person who when vegan revolution is mad at me for no good reason I still make an apology video to them I'm the kind of person who when durianrider threatens to beat me up and put me in prison I make an apology video too freely just to show goodwill just to show that I'm honest just because durianrider asked me to apologize to freely freely never asked by the way I'm within six degrees of separation with her I know people who talk to her regularly I don't talk to her directly but like I would have heard from her she wanted me to make that video because she has ways to talk to me she's ways to pass on a message to your mutual friend right so like dude that's part of who I am and you're ignoring that and again it's like it's not if not really a complaint but like your impression that my channel got any less political or got involved with drama after durianrider threatened me it is really not true so I mean I know you can get into a perception of who someone is what kind of person they are but there's a lot of evidence that you're ignoring what do you want me do what would have satisfied you oh like you mean you know so no no it's like like close I'm not I'm not complaining I'm really just explaining like yes and now I didn't eat it but like what what did I do you want video screen people is that enough well no I closed I'm not I'm not even after them I'm really just telling you like okay is this the first time I'm talking to you but here's the situation that's the frame for like you know because you you've explained like how you perceive me at what you know which is totally fine and I'm just explaining okay well you know this is how I see you and it's it's that circumstance but for me like I don't come at it with like I have a checklist for whether or not you're good enough I don't feel away at all and no I just say but I remind you like even someone like vegan Ava so vegan Ava has seriously defamed me on the internet she said I'm a scam artist she said insulting things about my wife and my daughter and my divorce but also like she's claimed that like financially I'm a criminal running a scam and like my wrists phonce was like look vegan vegan AVO like let's talk on skype like let's make something positive out of this like I'm an activist you're an activist who care about veganism let's do something positive so like even someone like her who's an idiot and it's a terrible human being and who's really tried to hurt me that's my response so that's that's I'm saying is like don't worry like close even if you've done a lot worse I would still be open to you know trying to co-op with you trying to make something positive happen but actually some would ask you when you said like what would be what would I like you to do I really love it when you have time you can hear them as a podcast you don't just watch on YouTube watch those two videos I named that if you wrote them down to watch the one video I did with the one video yes the azaria the full title is something like the agony of activism as saria's names you can search for Zarya and the other one is titled on community and that video I posted it first in English and then it's been translated into German and Chinese and Japanese and the other translations I'm still speaking English but that has subtitles in the other language so if you get one of the other versions it's basically the same video but with with that at the bottom so that's honestly that's what it asks you to do because that really kind of tells you who I am and how I feel about veganism and why I'm so passionate about it you know because I really am I I want you to come to London Nikkei and I'll show you a vegan community and we'll see man anyway look we talk it's nice meeting you along last close and like I said you know I hope we can make something positive happen out of it and I would try that even if you were a terrible person like Vijay but even you're a terrible person like during right / freely I really did try to be positive with a lot of people and a lot of that is obviously invisible to you but I have been out here trying to make some positive that for a long time and hey maybe hey if you want to look great this won't be yet a be a couple months from now but maybe when I'm trying to get the the story book published I mean you can read the story book the story is online a look on my you - I read it out and you can see the Chinese and the English and other Russian translation is also my channel but I mean like at some point when that's news it'll be a few months from now if you wanted to you could have a new story about that story book that's something completely positive and it's not drama and it's just hey some some vegans got together and tried to make a story book to teach children about veganism you know I'm up for that yeah message me if I don't talk to you before email me whatever when when that's published cool but like I said there'll be at least a few months from now but we're working on cool great talking you close and I'll talk to you again