Immigration is bad for everyone. #NotSatire

20 April 2021 [link youtube]


Yeah, I said it. Part of my playlist on immigration and refugee policy.

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briefcase show lava stereo flow fill me i made an earlier video asking not at all facetiously not at all insincerely not joking around what is the point of democracy and in this video we are asking with equal sincerity what is the point of immigration not because i'm throwing up my hands and behaving as if there is no point whatsoever but because so many people presuppose that having open doors for infinite immigration and incredibly generous refugee policy is an unquestioned and unquestionable good in and of itself without ever establishing what is it good for [Music] in politics in ethics and in philosophy some things are genuinely authentically difficult to understand and it's important that we have the patience and compassion necessary when examining those issues discussing them debating them with our fellow human creatures some things are not complex are not difficult to understand at all but they're unfamiliar in this video we're dealing with a question that is both unfamiliar and excites a lot of short-term emotional reactions that people have difficulty overcoming most people have adopted one extreme position or another on this issue without ever taking an interest in the facts the consequences or even what the options are they feel that their own sense of moral superiority is invested in one position or another on this political issue you might say their sense of self-esteem and self-worth is already attached to a commitment to a particular solution before they have even examined the problem this is a map of southeast asia you could say that southeast asia has 600 million people could be more could be less depending on where you set the boundaries hundreds and hundreds of millions everyone needs healthcare when you look at this map do you think each of these countries has hospitals and surgeons and medical doctors of equal quality if you were doing humanitarian work in cambodia or laos and you suddenly needed really serious medical attention you were looking at this map yourself i i don't know how much or how little money you've got or what your health insurance is going to cover you might start to question where would you like to go to receive health care all right healthcare tourism is a real factor in the western world in the eastern world in the northern world and in the southern world okay healthcare tourism dental tourism people going on vacation to get their dental work done and healthcare migration is a real factor healthcare refugees are a real factor now i'm not going to ask in any depth or complexity which one of these countries has the best healthcare and which one has the worst but you might be from myanmar or cambodia or indonesia and you might want to migrate to japan in order to have access to better quality healthcare if you could you might want to migrate to singapore to have access to better quality healthcare are we going to begin this discussion with the deep-seated assumption that this is a moral right this is an entitlement that anyone who opposes the free movement of health care refugees of health care migrants is someone who's opposed to human rights the progress of civilization someone who doesn't care if the poor struggle and die and suffer let's let's take a full life cycle centuries-long perspective on this there is no technology that exists in japan that is unavailable in myanmar cambodia or indonesia the vast majority of the technology that matters to provide healthcare was transmitted and published in textbooks at least 20 years ago much of it 50 years ago right there is no secret for what to do with a broken arm there's no secret for what to do with delivering a baby when a woman is in labor and gonna give birth nevertheless if you found yourself with a broken arm or nine months pregnant in cambodia you might start becoming very alarmed indeed you might become very much afraid that you're in a place where it's not safe to go to a doctor or hospital have your broken arm looked after or not safe to give birth there and you might start looking at your options right many of these things technologically we're not talking about we're not talking about assembling fighter jets right it's possible my own country canada is probably never going to be a center of aeronautics of making fighter jets right some technologies are really advanced and really equal this is not like cell phones this is not like circuit boards canada is probably never going to do any of those things but canada can have decent healthcare the nature of that technology can be shared and can be implemented everywhere by everyone in any language i think already 20 years ago the textbooks for all of these languages even cambodian even laosha the information was there right the solution to the problem of health care in southeast asia cannot possibly be healthcare refugees or healthcare tourism okay the solution must be that each and every one of these countries and within those countries each and every one of these cities develops the capacity to deliver high quality health care to their own people in their own language period it's not a solution for anyone to insist that it's your human right to run away and get surgery in japan or run away and give birth and deliver a baby in singapore just because it's more convenient for you right now right we need to have a commitment as individuals as members of society as a country and as a planet to build up the capacity to deliver health care locally everywhere democracy it's very much the same thing democracy is a technology that fundamentally hasn't changed in two thousand years okay everything you need to know to run a democracy it already exists in myanmar it already exists indonesia it's a problem of implementation people need democracy they need freedom of speech in much the same way that they need health care but the question is why would you say it's a morally good thing to encourage people to run away run away to japan run away to singapore instead of building the capacity for democracy building the institutions of democracy building the reality of democracy in your own country one one country at a time one city at a time everywhere locally in your own language we need democracy we don't need to evacuate people so they can have democracy elsewhere i made an earlier video asking not at all facetiously not at all insincerely not joking around what is the point of democracy and in this video we are asking with equal sincerity what is the point of immigration not because i'm throwing up my hands and behaving as if there is no point whatsoever but because so many people presuppose that having open doors for infinite immigration and incredibly generous refugee policy is an unquestioned and unquestionable good in and of itself without ever establishing what is it good for i have a letter here from a supporter on patreon he opens by saying mr mazard i didn't really want to reply to any particular argument in your post but to the general spirit of it i wanted to point out that anti-migration is likely an ethical issue of significance but most take a right to restrict any kind of migration for any reason for granted free migration may be considered in a similar way to veganism it means just as an abstract ethical argument quote the question of immigration is surely underemphasized in contemporary philosophy given its human importance literally millions of lives are affected in a serious and long-term manner by immigration restrictions were these restrictions lifted millions of people would see greatly expanded opportunities and would take the chance to drastically alter their lives for the better this makes immigration law a strong candidate for the most harmful body of law in america today so he says as a footnote english is not his first language and it's a little bit difficult and thus also i have kind of corrected the grammar and changed the wording a little bit in reading this out loud as you may have noticed on screen okay the question i posed in my earlier video and i was slightly miffed that this writer on patreon just completely disregarded it question posed was if you have 20 million people leaving myanmar to go and live in thailand and maybe you have another 2 million from laos and maybe 5 million from cambodia i don't know 10 20 50 million from indonesia right if you have tens of millions of people relocating to thailand from all of these other countries that have a lower quality of government a lower quality of democracy and they're moving to thailand because they can have a higher quality of life yes but because they can have democracy freedom of speech etc okay in what sense is that good who is that good for now in my first video i think i gave a perfectly eloquent voice to the fact that this will not be good for the countries that are being abandoned it will not be good for the countries they are fleeing from all right if 20 million people who want democracy get up and leave myanmar there's an opportunity cost here and there's something really wonderful and really positive that can be accomplished in myanmar right now by 20 million people who are willing to stay and fight and die for a better democratic future in myanmar i can say the same thing about health care right now short term let's say there are 20 million people in myanmar who have various health conditions high blood pressure heart attack they're going to give birth to a baby they got a broken arm let's say there are 20 million people in myanmar who would really benefit from just relocating to thailand if we just grant them thai citizenship they have access to thailand's healthcare system instead of myanmar's healthcare system oh well that seems like a great boon for humanity if you are just looking at a single stage of analysis right but without even getting into how bad this is for thailand i was making the argument it's bad for myanmar it's bad for the countries that are being abandoned if all of the homosexuals who are quite genuinely oppressed in muslim-majority countries apply for refugee status in canada who is going to fight for gay rights in those muslim majority countries if all of the atheists abandon all of the muslim majority countries around the world indonesia saudi arabia or whatever which is happening you can look them up on youtube you can watch youtube videos from atheists who applied for refugee status because they feel i believe correctly that they are being persecuted whether it is in pakistan saudi arabia whatever the muslim majority country is okay if all of the atheists and all of the homosexuals and all of the distant intellectuals if they all apply for and receive refugee status in canada what is the future of saudi arabia going to be what is the future of pakistan going to be right who's going gonna fight for you me no i'm not i've i've lived in cambodia i did humanitarian with cambodia i'm not fighting like as much interest as i might have as an armchair intellectual in cambodia and in myanmar right now right how much more than a google search am i really willing to do for the future of myanmar any of you sitting on the couch can ask yourselves that same question and this is where it gets even more interesting is if we flip it around and start asking about thailand or we start asking about canada if we start asking about the destination countries because as little as i care about the future of cambodia as little as i care about the future of myanmar which is very likely to be more than any of you in the audience care no offense i've been there i've done humanitarian work i did years of research i've read very large heavy history books about these countries i care right i care but it's a certain kind of detached distant scholarly academic care i've got right i'm not volunteering to fight in myanmar's civil war are you when those people leave myanmar and they come to canada when those people leave myanmar they come to thailand they will care much less about building a positive future in canada or in thailand than they did about their own country right they won't have that kind of commitment that kind of passion this is one of the most tragic things about all immigration including refugee policy right is that the level of civic engagement the level of democratic and political commitment to building a better and brighter future in your destination country it's much much less than it was in your host country i have fans of this channel of all ages right some of you are teenagers some of you are in your 40s 50s and 60s right now if you were offered an israeli passport and a new life in israel would you continue to speak english as your first language would you continue to watch the news and talk about politics and english would you continue to care about politics in the united states western europe and just be someone who happens to live in israel or would you really commit yourself to becoming completely fluent in hebrew settling down permanently making that your newspaper making that your set of humanitarian political concerns if that's too hard to imagine we can replace israel with italy or greece have you looked at learning modern greek huge sacrifice would you just retire to greece as an english-speaking outsider continue reading the newspaper in english right or would you get seriously committed would you actually join a political party in greece would you become an activist deeply concerned with what's currently unfolding in the future of greece ask yourself that honestly i say this as someone who has within just the last couple of years had on my desk stacked up introduction to the hebrew language hebrew dictionary introduction to modern greek the greek language among the languages i've studied just in the last couple years and the places i've considered living it's not just thailand it's not just laos and cambodia right greece and israel in very different ways and different reasons those were options for me i had to think about but i would probably have as little engagement as the vast majority of pakistani immigrants to canada of chinese immigrants again i've met and spoken to huge numbers of chinese people in canada in toronto in saskatchewan here in bc all right they all still care about politics in china the people who came here from taiwan they still care about politics in taiwan they still read the newspaper from taiwan they don't care about politics in canada they're not fighting for a better future in canada right and if you had this kind of mass migration phenomenon in asia right it wouldn't be good for thailand it wouldn't be good for many of the donor countries the countries people are escaping from shall we say okay what is immigration good for if you want to have better health care you have to build the institutions for high quality health care not here not there but everywhere we can do it okay if you want to have a brighter future in terms of human rights and democracy you do not want to encourage a cultural and political situation in which people just shop around to relocate to the country that will give them the highest quality of life and the highest quality of government at the lowest tax rate we need to build the fundamental requirements for democracy here there and everywhere myanmar civil war is a great example it's unfolding right now whatever you think the solution to the problem in myanmar might be whatever you think the solution the problem in syria or afghanistan might be it cannot possibly be exporting the percentage of their population that is dissatisfied with the status quo we have to harness the powerful positive motivation of that dissatisfied minority to transform the future of each one of those countries [Music] maybe we can we can practice i yes